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Brandon Sanderson / Re: **SPOILERS** Shards: Power and Character
« on: July 09, 2011, 02:04:21 AM »
That quote came from this thread:

Oh, I see.  In context, it had seemed like it was a quote from Brandon, but it was a paraphrasing. Thanks for clearing that up, Adrienne.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: **SPOILERS** Shards: Power and Character
« on: July 05, 2011, 02:44:47 AM »
I yanked this out of another post I was reading.

Additionally, every shard is controlled by a god-like consciousness that used to belong to a mortal. Each shard has a sort of ... pathology to it that eventually turns the mind of the shardholder until it matches the shard's will. Some might be considered "bad", while others are arguably "good.

I'm assuming these people who "just got out of class" to post were from one of Brandon's classes.

I know you said not to mention religion but I wonder how LDS and the devil might tie into the evil of the stories.

I'm curious, where did that quote come from?

I think Brandon's LDS background could be an influence to his mythology, and that's interesting that Preservation did use some sacrifice, with the Well of Ascension.  I would imagine that, given it was a while ago, he still had some of his mind left to use to sacrifice a bit. And really, all of Preservation's sacrifices were in line with the intent of Preservation.

A Shard's intent is obviously very important, but I think given enough time, every Shardholder will be molded to their Shard's intent.

Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: July 05, 2011, 02:36:00 AM »
I've now been reminded by Silk that, hey, I actually need to do something!

So, hi. Sorry I've been away so much. Good to see so many new people!

Brandon Sanderson / Re: where is hoid in elantris
« on: March 20, 2011, 08:57:29 AM »

<=  I started Hoid's Compendium, it's first incarnation.

Yes, but you're a slacker and don't come onto the 17S forums as much as he should, though :P

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Vote for Vin!
« on: March 09, 2011, 07:47:09 AM »
About last year's competition.. I'm trying to think of people in any book that could possibly beat Rand al'Thor in this "duel to the death".  Really can't come up with a single person who would even be close, who did he fight for the championship?  Was it close?

He fought Jaime Lannister, from A Song of Ice and Fire. It was pretty close. Lots of fans on both sides who wanted to win.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Vote for Vin!
« on: March 08, 2011, 08:10:20 PM »
Long Live Barbarians! Go Logen!  :P

Psh. Logen has no proper weapons to fight Vin, especially not if she has atium.

Brandon Sanderson / Vote for Vin!
« on: March 08, 2011, 05:29:17 AM »
Do you remember last year, when held their Science Fiction/Fantasy cage match? You know, the one Rand al'Thor won? Well, the 2011 cage match starts right now. Guess who's on the bracket? Our dear friend, Vin.

Vin's first opponent is from Logen Ninefingers, from the First Law Trilogy. But come on. Vin + atium? Yeah, I think she beats a barbarian, even atium-less. You should go vote for her. Have multiple computers? Maybe a cell phone with internet capabilities? Go vote for her again. This match ends on Thursday!

Her opponent after Logen will be either Jacob Black or Eric Northman. I'm kind of hoping Jacob wins that one, so we can see Vin utterly destroy the werewolf. But seriously guys, this one is Vin's hardest match-up for a while. Vote vote vote! Don't let Vin's lead deceive you; First Law is really popular.

You can see the entire bracket here:

Brandon Sanderson / Re: 15/16th Metal mystery (SPOILERS AHEAD)
« on: January 28, 2011, 07:31:28 AM »
Nope. I think Brandon left it intentionally vague.

And not to beat a dead horse, but an alloy is not a compound. If it was a compound, it would probably say something about that.. It instead says it is a "solid solution". Saying an alloy is a compound is like saying sugar water is a distinct chemical compound, which is obviously false. Compounds are created via chemical reactions. I can mix stuff mechanically, which gives it different properties, but this does not make it a pure chemical compound. Chemical compounds are pure and identical (as in, H2O is H2O anywhere). Sorry if I sound like a jerk, but I very clearly remember physical science class (eons ago when I took it) make this point crystal clear.

Doing research on compounds reveals:

Some mixtures are so intimately combined that they have some properties similar to compounds and may easily be mistaken for compounds. One example is alloys. Alloys are made mechanically, most commonly by heating the constituent metals to a liquid state, mixing them thoroughly, and then cooling the mixture quickly so that the constituents are trapped in the base metal. Other examples of compound-like mixtures include intermetallic compounds and solutions of alkali metals in a liquid form of ammonia.

Sorry. Alloys aren't compounds. Compounds are chemical combinations, and that makes all the difference.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: 15/16th Metal mystery (SPOILERS AHEAD)
« on: January 28, 2011, 06:12:05 AM »
Hi socom! Good to see some new blood (not that I come around these parts too often).

The PULLING metals are chemical elements; the PUSHING metals are chemical compounds; that is, the PUSHING metals are actually more than one element.

My chemistry is rusty, but I'm fairly certain that alloys are not compounds. Chemical compounds are molecules. Alloys are solutions (a mixture), not a compound.

spikes in the eyes grant super tineye vision

I'm fairly certain that the spikes in the eyes grant the ability of Allomantic iron or steel. An Inquisitor needs iron or steel to see, so those powers are given to every Inquisitor. After all, Inquisitors don't see through tin, they see because they are steel or iron savants, due to burning those metals constantly.

And um, not to complain, but you really need to make those images into links. That platinum image is like five times too large to fit on a forum.

Also, do note that the Allomantic Table you linked as a few typos. One notably being lerasium mistakenly spelled "larasium".

If you're excited for the 15th and 16th metals, the main character of Alloy of Law is a bendalloy Misting :)

Everything Else / Re: Chaos Theories #2: Magic Systems 101
« on: January 15, 2011, 06:13:07 AM »
I don't think a magic system has to be well defined, though personally I like to make well defined magic systems for my books. However, there are many books out there that don't need a perfectly defined magic system. E.g. Lord of the Rings, Narnia, A Song of Fire and Ice, Dark is Rising. These books are still magical, but there is no well defined, or even commonly used magic system. There are obviously boundaries, what magic can and cannot do, but these things are never explained, and only the author knows the true power of any magic system.

Sometimes I find these magic systems interesting, and they imbue the world with something magical in its simplicity. There is a sense of mystery. It is quite good.

I agree, Steve. I wasn't claiming that they are bad. I was merely outlining one way to think about magic systems. As with all things in writing, if the advice helps you, great! If not, disregard it.

Like you said, only the author knows the true power of any magic system. This was a worldbuilding exercise, and it could be a useful way to develop your magics.

Rants and Stuff / Re: I would like to announce!
« on: January 15, 2011, 06:05:46 AM »
I'd like to announce that there's a new Chaos Theories coming in a week or so, about structures in writing. I'm far into it, but I need to apply a better structure to that, too ;)

Reading Excuses / Re: Progress and Submission Reports
« on: January 08, 2011, 08:55:28 AM »
Hey guys and gals. Here's my progress report: I'm alive! Isn't that thrilling? Apologies for my absence. I'm busy with schoolwork, doing 17th Shard and its Mistborn RP. Wee, fan fiction.

On my novel's front, Rebirth has become my honors thesis, which means I'll actually have to complete it now. It's fairly exciting stuff! My new outline is making the book much more solid.

Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: October 12, 2010, 09:17:01 PM »
Go ahead, Steve :)

By the way, I am still alive. Forgive me--higher mathematics takes a lot of effort.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: "Finish The Book...Brandon!!!"
« on: October 03, 2010, 09:04:28 AM »
Hopefully, it's a rather joking thing. Brandon is kind of putting out two 1,000 page books in a year, so that's fairly obscene output-wise.

That makes a lot of sense about them making their own humans that are based off what they know (and were) as opposed to inventing humans fresh. 

Though I was still led to believe through the Mistborn trilogy that Ruin and Preservation were responsible for the circle of life of the planet.  In a very mythology-like "and that's why this happens" sort of way, I thought things were born and lived because of Preservation and decayed and withered due to Ruin's touch, with the certain knowledge that without Ruin, Preservation would eventually become self-defeating.  If this is true, it means the other worlds need a reason to have a cohesive physics structure.

Shards don't always come in pairs. For instance, Roshar had 3 shards, (2 now that the Almighty is dead) and as far as we know Warbreaker features only Endowment.

While I'm going to readily embrace what we know (what you said above) as the easiest and most straightforward solution, I'm not going to discount the possibility that we don't know everything.  For example, 2 could've been responsible for establishing Roshar, and then Odium could've swooped in and said "I want this one!"  Likewise, Endowment could have a counterpart whose simply been absent for one reason or another since the founding of the Warbreaker planet (I can never remember the name!).  Of course, if Endowment had a counterpart, it would likely be something that gives nothing -- not even destruction.  So perhaps it simply has no magic system to share or even influence on the land -- a dud shard.

Just one correction:  The three that would have been involved with Roshar would have been *before* Odium showed up.  At least, that's the simplest reading of the evidence.

I haven't been on TWG for a while, but I was pretty darn sure Brandon said there were three Shards on Roshar. If he said that, that surely includes Odium.

EDIT: I have looked in one of my emails. It confirms that there are three. Like so:

18. How many Shards have existed on Roshar?


That pretty much covers it.

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