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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Mists
« on: April 21, 2008, 11:25:11 AM »
Maybe Brandon forgot it was steel in Mistborn 1 and wrote bronze in the Well ? We have to find the passage. Would that be possible ? Someone would have to find either the passage where it says that it's bronze or the original thread where it was guessed it was.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Vin as HOA?
« on: April 21, 2008, 11:22:56 AM »
I already mentionned the fact that Elend could very well be. Not only because Brandon seems vague about it(now, I haven't read all of the annotations, but a good part up to now), but simply because there is too many whys not answered in regard to him. Some of the main ones are : Why does he have to learn to be a leader - well, yes, anyone might have done the job beside this young puppy ; Why does he need to be a Full Mistborn for - the attact of the Mist Spirit seems to well coordinate just to be a coincidence - it had several occasions of killing Elend when Vin was busy rescuing Luthadel if it was its real purpose. Moreover, there was to be glory for the one who would discover the Hero and what more of it if it comes not only to discover the Hero but to give him the reason to show himself ? Thus liberating the well spirit to better strike it ?

The question to ask is "Why ?" A lot of life mystery are solved only by answering this very simple question. It would only be logical that a lot of mystery would be solved by answering this simple question at looking at the Well of Ascension. Mind you, we won't know for sure before Mistborn 3 is out. Everything in between is simple divagation (or puzzle type of mystery).

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Mists
« on: April 21, 2008, 03:35:12 AM »
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She gripped the bit of obsidian in her hand, tucked the book into her overalls, and pocketed the pebbles. The earring she put in her ear--it was a very simple, steel thing. Little more than a stud, not even worth stealing, which was why she didn't fear leaving it in the back room. Still, Vin had rarely worn it, for fear that the ornamentation would make her look more feminine.


Mistborn chapter 3, when she plans on leaving Camon. I think Vin's ability were all enhanced. Left to find out how.

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I agree. I think that TLR was refraining the well spirit from gaining strenght as long as he lived. It is obvious to me that even after the Lord Ruler's death, Marsh still hears the well spirit so he wasn't the only one influenced and possibly all of the Inquisitors were. We'll see, I guess.

I do have a lowsy memory so I won't argue on this point. I have to reread everything anyhow. It might be well so. But I hold on to his hemalurgy.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoT Read-Through by Brandon
« on: April 20, 2008, 01:29:03 AM »
Poor Fred ! I guess you must be tired or something. I know RJs people so well, I never mistake one or the other. When I read, I'm so immersed, no one can even talk to me. I live the story through the actors. How could I ever mistake them !!!!

I have to admit that volume 10 was a bit hard. Not because of the long descriptions (I just love long descriptions), but simply because I got fed up with Perrin's obsession with Faile. I dont even have a proper word to describe my feeling. Well... one of the thing Brandon and RJ have in common, it is certainly to spread hints throughout their books without you noticing at first. It's only at the second read that you can really start enjoying.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Mists
« on: April 20, 2008, 01:03:45 AM »
Ah ! By the way ! I just found that Vin's earring was made of steel. I don't understand how it could be used by feruchemy though and be so important as to stop Vin from chanelling the mist.

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Protagonist, antagonist... Was he really one of the two ? I'm starting to think very strange thoughts with all the reading I've been doing in the last three-four days. This isn't to improve my case.

Like Comatose, I think Rashek wanted to set things right at the beginning. His people should have been dominant since the prophecy (the real one, the one that was counterfeited) had been given to them. I understand his point of view. So he was instructed by Kwaan to kill Alendi if he just could not loose him in the Terris mountains. Let's believe that TLR is Rashek. It is obvious to me that the well spirit work had started corrupting the prophecy way before the advent of Alendi. It takes time for all feruchemists to empty their metal mind and refil them by reading what they wrote again. If there was only one, it could have been fast but they were not bred yet. So it took time before Alendi, and yet once Alendi was found, it kept on changing things, subtly.

It is possible that Rashek suffered from this. Imagine one moment, the ones leading your people being fool by a spirit of some sort, being defeated by what they considered most sacred : their feruchemy. Of course Kwaan would have been persecuted for his belief. He might also have died defending it. It seems to me that Terris people are sincere and honest and don't easily bend. They must have been hard on him. Rashek might have had some resentment toward them. The official story is that Rashek killed Alendi so let's stick to it (for my own sanity).

Rashek kills Alendi in the Terris mountains and then goes himself to the Well of Ascension. Somehow, I do not think it was instilled by Kwaan. He doesn't mention that on his metal work. But maybe Rashek thought that HE was the Hero. After all, who could that be now that Alendi was dead ? The Šeepness was there, making everyone desperate. So, he takes it upon himself to go to the well. Now, before I continue, I cannot recall a single place where it says that Rashek was feruchemist. Don't jump ! But I only have a small reluctance on this even after all the threads I've read. Whatever he was before, it got changed afterwards. Comatose, you might say that you don't believe that TLR is using hemalurgy, but I tend to believe it when I read it in Brandon's annotations. He would not lie, would he ? Would he lead us astray voluntarily ? Unless the well spirit is active in this world, I don't think so. So here Rashek to the Well of Ascension investigated with POWER so immense ! He's got the power to change the world, to set it right. He sees the Deepness and does something. Now the more I think of it, the less I think that the Deepness was the regular mist or even the Mist Spirit.

Like Kwaan suggest, it might be the Well that created the Deepness just to force people to act. So here, Rashek acted but not the way it was hoping. When I read Vin's thought when the POWER invests her, I see one thing. Vin is in love and what pushed her to act is love, at that moment, she is no more the paranoid kid. Things she wants to do are things that love is pleased in, things that are agreable. When Rashek was in the same situation, he was already bitter. For all that we know, Alendi could have been the first man he killed and eventhough he did not like him, he might have come to realize as Kwaan did that the man was a good man. So he might have felt guilty also. And angry towards his fellow Terrisman, worst even toward the feruchemists that forced him to do what he did. It might be also that they killed his uncle, his woman and what not. Now if the POWER intensified Vin's feeling what do you think Rashek's feeling would have been intensified like ? Let's say, it's just a huge rioting they both received from the Well in addition to the POWER. But let's say that the Well spirit is not quite finished.

The Well spirit talks to Vin to convince her to give up the POWER so it could be freed. I have no doubt whatsoever that this spirit talked to Rashek as well. Once Vin liberated the POWER, it doesn't talk to her anymore, but Rashek did not do this... Do you see where this leads ? And how is a man suppose to react to such pressure after 5 years ? 10 ? 276 ? 589 ? 1000 ? His feelings only gets worst of course, the rioting constant. He wants to destroy the Terris Nation, but he still loves them somewhere. If he destroys feruchemy, the tool of the well spirit, his people (or what's left of them) can go on living. So he starts breeding the feruchemy out in the hope to salvage what's left. We have no reason to believe that Rashek did not love his people. He had the highest hopes for them ! The inner room was placated with reminders of his former life. He must have been desperate to see them survive. If only the feruchemy could be bred out ! Understand he only wanted to erase lies...

But the well spirit is not happy. Inquisitors is its counter balance. The Well spirit might be giving power to TLR, but it is also its torn in the flesh, his weakness. Whatever we think we know, it is what the Inquisitors and the Obligators taught the people, not reality for sure. They manipulated the truth just like the Well Spirit did. Like father like son. Did TLR really created the Inquisitors or the Well Spirit in him ? They were certainly meant to destroy, right from the beginning of their creation. I suggest that the Inquisitor were a tool of the Well spirit and therefore keep a hand on the control of its creation. The Well Spirit still talks to Zane telling him to kill everyone but Vin. It needs her to release it. It talks to Marsh to kill Sazed to stop him from reaching Vin. If Marsh cant help it after just a few weeks or months... how do you want TLR to manage so long without any effect ?

I tell you, TLR is a victim...  ::)

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: April 19, 2008, 11:47:15 PM »
It's been mentioned but it has never been proven that the lord ruler uses hemalurgy,I myself think not.  All the hemalurgists we have known so far have had the same weakness, remove the spike, you die, or at least lose you're power (or in Vin's case gain another power,) and I don't thin kthe lord ruler would give himself this weakness, he's already paranoid enough about the bracers on his arms that he makes them pierce his skin.  I don't think he would give himself another weakness.

Hum... I would like to remind you that once Vin took care of his bracelets, he kind of lost something too. Could there be a similitude or an interaction between feruchemy and hemalurgy ?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Origins of Allomancy *Spoilers*
« on: April 19, 2008, 05:34:16 PM »
When Vin didn't know she was a Mistborn, when she was still getting beaten by her brother or Camon, she was already burning pewter. I read... where ?... that there was traces of metal in the water that was ingested and it had to be her unknown source. However, in the case of Elend, he certainly needed more than traces, I'd say.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: April 19, 2008, 04:20:00 PM »
I am truly sorry. I haven't read the whole thing yet but I'm always running out of time. Anyway, I just wanted to know if it was mentionned that the Lord Ruler's extreme power were due to him using the three magics ? I got this reading Brandon's annotation:

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Marsh's plan to kill the Lord Ruler is a good one too. Unfortunately, the Lord Ruler's power doesn't come only from Hemalurgy, but from other things as well. If he'd pulled off the bracelets instead. . .

Underlined by myself, of course.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Hate Mail????
« on: April 19, 2008, 01:28:13 PM »
Well ! Would I wish to receive a letter like this !

This is actually the letter of an angry lover ! Poor thing !  I pity his future girlfriend. He will transform her into... a pretty thing wearing a pink dress, a blond whig and seating on gold.

I'll say like Hero of Ages, he must be young not to realize that no stories ends with any last pages. You have to put an end somewhere. Before starting to read Elantris, I also read that it was a single, meant to be a single and that Brandon wanted to write more of those because it is lacking in the Fantasy world. Well, yes, you have to be rich if you want to read fantasy, I tell you ! Especially if you like Tolkien (by the way, there is something like 20 years between Bilbo and the first publishing of the LotR), Hobb (who thought she was writing a trilogy... and ended writing 3 in the same world), Jordan (hum... do I have to remind everyone here that is 12th book will be post-mortem and yet he will not be the only author of it ? We have to excuse him, of course. He passed away after all !). All this to say I appreciated the fact that it would be a single but I was left disappointed at the end. I could see thousands of things that could be dig, material for more plots and stories, all left there. I first wrote unfinished lol Well, no stories is ever finished like Brandon says, but books are. And beside, a novel is not meant to be a closed story ! This little one has to study the genre a little more.

I would suggest, therefore, if Brandon would have the patience to answer, that he does not have to justify himself. He could try to explain (without much hope of being understood, mind you, teenagers have a tendency not to want to understand the ways of life when they wrongly fixed their mind on an idea, no personnal offense to anyone) the idea of singles without closing the door completely. Actually, I see that the answer, whatever it would be, would only exist to tell this young and sad fan that his words have been read and not consider trash. I'm not certain it would be good for his enormous ego, though.

I would just mention that most of the books published under the name of Tolkien were not meant, at the beginning, to be published (beside those already mentionned, you add the Silmarillon and that's it). All of what we call the HoMEs (History of Middle Earth) were simple notes, drafts, to build Middle Earth and its environment. Christopher, his son, is the one that gathered them and published them, mainly so fans would find answers to their own questions after his father's death. Tolkien would answer most of his writers, dig some more in his own world to do so sometimes. His readers were important to him. I wish I would know if he ever received such a love letter as Brandon did lol

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn 3 Plot Points *Spoilers*
« on: April 19, 2008, 02:00:55 AM »
Where do you see that he had to choose between these two choices ? To me, they are not obligatory against one another. He could very well do both. Especially if he thought after whatever happened at the well, that Feruchemy could be, not an assett, but the opposite. Whatever. Let me read. lol

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Mists
« on: April 19, 2008, 01:25:56 AM »
About Zane p. 445

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Zane stood on the balcony, his figure a black silhouette in the mists. He stepped forward, the mist following around him, as it did around anyone burning metals. And yet... it also seemed to be pushing away from him slightly.

I agree, it is not much, but it is there. However it is the only mention, to my knowledge... As for Vin, I just can't remember when otherwise I'd go straight to the chapter, but it is Elend that notices.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Mists
« on: April 18, 2008, 07:55:54 PM »
You give me a lot to think about, Darxbane. I have to admit I never gave a thought to hemallurgy before I came here. But I wanted to read these passages about the mist and I just cant right now. My thinking is, if the mist has a mind of its own (not the Mist Spirit, but the mist swirls), it would not act only because of hemallurgy, but it would take into consideration a few other things. I do not think the mist was always fleeing Zane - cant affirm it though, I have to read the whole of Mistborn 2 first - , except when he really fights Vin. If the inquisitors were not supporting the mist action, why would they stick around them ? I got to find those passages and give them some serious thinking.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn 3 Plot Points *Spoilers*
« on: April 18, 2008, 07:43:39 PM »
Well, I'm glad the new disciple got that right  ;D At least, it seems logical that way. I was thinking that maybe his feruchemy was giving TLR something of a taint (Well, after all I came through TWoT) and that was why he had to keep on fighting the Well down. So this would have been the reason why he would have needed an army of Mitborn (preferably) and Mistings, for the final battle.

But you know, if TLR would not care so much about someone gaining allomancy/feruchemy ability, maybe that is not what gives him so much power, after all. We can doubt everything, right ? I'll dig it some more. I've started to read... the other way around, starting by the reading of that metal sheet, end of Mistborn 2. How do you call it ?

Poor Sazed though. Instead of not believing anything anymore, he should just learn not to trust himself. After all, we are often our worst enemy !

Edit - I just saw I was an assitant cathedral sweeper... rofl

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