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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Mists
« on: April 18, 2008, 03:40:43 AM »
Something wasn't mentionned about the mist that could maybe help us figuring it out. Most of the times, the books say that the mist is moving around the Mistings and Mistborn, but I remember reading twice of the mist moving AWAY from mistborn. One it was from Zane and another one from Vin herself, Elend makes the remarks on that second one... I have to find the passages, both in MB2 to see the context.

As someone else said... I'll be back.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn 3 Plot Points *Spoilers*
« on: April 18, 2008, 02:40:26 AM »
Thank you all !

Yes, 29. I read some, not all yet, but I'm coming to it. Brandon has some sense of Humor, hey ? lol Sometimes he tells things right out and so straight you just don't connect things, just like the first time he speaks of Ore Seur and of traitor right in the same paragraph, in the same annotation...

There are a few things I would like to submit to the thinking of this very noble assembly. It's just there, bugging me. Let's put the prophecy aside as Chaos reminded us - Now I have to read the books again so just bare with me a sec. I have no proof and not much to found my delirium upon.

There was suppose to have renown for the one who discovers the Hero of Ages... so here is the thought

How about Vin would be the one to find the Hero of Ages, and Elend would be that hero ? Is there a thread that discuss this possible point or am I just to ill advanced to hope of any redemption for my poor brain ? After all, we are learning through Brandon's annotations that Elend is learning to be a leader. Why would he have to learn that ? Why would another leader not good enough ? Moreover, why would he need to be a full Mistborn for ? Let's just pretend that the Mist created Mistborns to fight the Well of Ascension. Let's just pretend that Rashek knew he had to take the power and that the Mist was its alley and not his ennemy ? His whole "palace" was decorated with mist kind of patterns. Isn't the flag high enough ? Now we learn of a lot of things that the Lord Ruler was dealing with successfully while alive - wooden small habitations for skaa - easy to heat up in winter - good management of the food supply so nobody would ever really starve - on a permanent diet, yes, but not really starving, etc... So he wasn't totally evil eventhough he had to be harsh. Why did he have to be that harsh ? Dunno. Why did he want to annihilate feruchemy so much that he had to control reproduction to erase it ? Dunno... well, I think I know but. Let's just say he wasn't all evil and that his last words where really true, the words of an old dying man that knows his end has come. So... let's just pretend that the Deepness wasn't the mist at all, but the evil deepness of the Well of Ascension, its depth and power. Back to Elend. How about if the Mist had to nearly kill him in order for him to snap and become a Full Mistborn and of the purest kind since he received a pure first hand mistborn creating drop to swallow ? How about feruchemy could be a stumble to succeed definitively over the Well of Ascension (and therefore TLR had to keep fighting its raising again) and that would be the reason why TLR was doing exactly the same thing than Elend's father was doing but with a higher calling ? (That man had no fear, I tell you, or he was a great gambler ! ) Raising himself an army of Mistings and Mistborns to fight the Well on its next opening ? Of course, he had to make sure it would be of the purest sources so he would watch over the procreation of these also, encouraging marriage between nobles whom he had given the privilege of being Mistborns, and rejecting mixing with Skaa which had nothing like that. With all the pottery that was broken and so few beads available, we could think he had to limit the original number of privileged one.

Told you, delirium...

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: MB1 ? about Lord Ruler **** Major Spoiler****
« on: April 18, 2008, 02:00:23 AM »
I don't want to hold on particularly to that point, Chaos, but I never said that TLR would procreate intentionnally. He could have had some... fun... with a young lady and ask a man he thought he could trust to kill her. That someone being the man, I don't remember  (my most used phrase) which title he had, could have fallen for that same young lady and found himself unable to obey TLR order's. But I agree. We shouldn't use so much the prophecy to make sense of things... so... Let me think about something different while I reread both Mistborn again.

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If I could add something to this thread... We know that the blood is produced by the marrow in the spine, right (or something like that, me and science we divorced decades ago) ? It's a living thing, too. It does it and that's all. Maybe the Inquisitors need to rest often so the metal could remix with their blood ? A rejuvenation rest, pretty much like feruchemy ? It would not need to use up the spikes they have since it would regenerate itself. That could also explain why, by pulling the eleventh spike out of the spine, the poor thing (sic) dies on the spot since it would disrupt the normal flow balance between blood and metals ?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn 3 Plot Points *Spoilers*
« on: April 16, 2008, 02:26:23 AM »
Well... you did not work much to make a disciple, I'd say ! lol

Thanks for the links. I am afraid these are not the only one I'll have to read. I am afraid to have to read again both Mistborn books - well afraid because I just can seem to do anything else when I read see... and I should work a bit on my translations... I hate passion. It always gets in the way  ;D and why am I always so far behind ? ...

Would you know if something like a concordance is being worked on ? That would certainly help with research.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: MB1 ? about Lord Ruler **** Major Spoiler****
« on: April 15, 2008, 07:15:38 PM »
You got both good points. And I do remember that the Hero has to have royal blood as well. What made me think this is what Vin's mom said and she was herd by Reen, about Vin being a princess. Well, I should give it more thought.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: MB1 ? about Lord Ruler **** Major Spoiler****
« on: April 15, 2008, 05:43:57 PM »
I do know this. But it would not be the first time that a Lord would ask its subalbtern to kill a damsel and that this one... through pity, would not. He still could believe himself the father, though, and it would explain why he did not argue... or wanted to tell the Lord Ruler "You know that girl you wanted me to kill ? Well I just could not bring me to do it after all and she is the mother of that one"... So, nothing is impossible. I might be wrong, but Vin's super power as a Mistborn has to be explained somehow.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn 3 Plot Points *Spoilers*
« on: April 15, 2008, 05:32:56 PM »
Could I join the CotCO (Circle of the Crazy Ones) ?

I think somehow there must be a link between the Inquisitors and the Koloss but maybe not that obvious. Reading you gave me the idea.

Kelsier's brother (shame on me, I forgot his name) hated the Inquisitors but to get to know how to destroy them, became one of them. Now, changes occured in him that he didn't want for sure. He became bloodthristy and violent... as the Koloss are, please note. Hold to that.

The inquisitors have 11 nails in them and they all have the powers of full Mistborns eventhough they were not to start with. Now, we know that it is not hard to 'make' a mistborn, a simple swallow ! But what are the fonctions of those eleven nails ? I would suggest this : Each nail is made of a different metal. Being inside the body but yet visible on the outside (obviously not when they're dressed). Could it be possible that being inside the body a regular allomancer could not take power over eventhough they are also outside ? Could it be because it allows them to burn metal without having to ingest some right in the middle of a fight ?

Now the Koloss have only one nail. Bad memory to my account, I don't remember what Poor Breezie Dear burns... (bronze ?) that allows him to suggest or enhanced feelings. What would happen if that nail would be of that metal or its alloy ? Would it not provide a mean of control over the beast ? Isn't it how Vin takes control when she adds duralumin ? Doesn't she void all feelings ? When she takes control, they become docile and obedient, to her of course. How about if they would have that nail but not the capacity to burn it ? If it would be THE mean of control ?

Same for the inquisitors. Their blood thirst has to be explained somehow as a reaction to their allomancy. M... was not like that and hated them because they were. He wouldn't change intentionaly. It is obvious to me he just can't help it.

The idea with the Kandra is interesting but somehow... Like Vin could draw from the Mist and Kandra is linked somehow with the Mist, I do not think it needs a nail, just like the Mist does not need metal but can be a substitute, the Mist not being an invention of the Lord Ruler, that is. The Mist Spirit is also interesting to see. I was wondering, when Elend and Spook were coming back from the North, Elend sees the Mist often and comes to believe that it is not evil. Vin doubts because she saw it with a knife floating over him and she was sure it wanted to kill Elend. However, during their long walk back, the Mist was there, Vin not in the way, and it did not attack. To do so, it waited for Vin to be around. I have the feeling that the Mist Spirit has a mind of its own and that it's power is against the well's power. It needed a knight of somesort let's say, to fight its combat...

Moreover, in Mistborn 1, we have the journal of the so called 'hero of ages' that turned out not to be the One. In Mistborn 2, we have the account of Rashek's uncle written in metal because it is the only thing that is stable and won't change. The Hero would not have taken the power for himself, but Rashek did. All the prophecies (modified by the Lord Ruler over his thousand years - including those of the Keepers) did say, that the power was not to be taken by the hero... but Rashek did. Didn't the record of Rashek's uncle say that the power had to be taken ? Which is the evil one ? The Mist Spirit or the Well's power ? Which is the good one ?

I might not make sense very much... as I said, I AM crazy...

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: MB1 ? about Lord Ruler **** Major Spoiler****
« on: April 15, 2008, 03:28:40 PM »
Sazed said a number of times that before the ascension, there was no allomancers. The Lord Ruler was the very first one. I also remember reading (that is scarry... I usually don't have memory !!!) that the Lord Ruler rewarded the people that helped him at the beginning by making them allomancers. From that point on, the allomancy was transmitted by bloodline and its power was going down from generation to generation due to the mixed blood. Actually, I remember this because at that time, I was wondering (and still am) if Vin wouldn't be the Lord Ruler's daughter... Can you imagine what that would imply ? That would easily explain why she is so much more powerful than Kelsier himself.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
« on: April 14, 2008, 10:37:19 PM »
We did for him ! We put up a petition online with a listing of the translation mistakes and others, very impressive, requesting a new translation or at least a very serious revision. Moreover, fans were so outraged that the editor was forced to offer a free book for every other that was purchased or he would have been left with his stock on hand. The books just did not sale well. Not due to Mr Jordan, though, and we made sure the french editor would understand quite clearly our message.

If Brandon can have a word on this, he should ask for a revision of that contract. Or at least, Harriet should be able to jump on their back as well. I promoted the reading in the original language, offering my help, but it is hard for a lot of them. If any of them ( Brandon, Harriet or whoever on this side) are interested, I am willing to offer all the help I can and promise that the forum will also.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
« on: April 14, 2008, 02:52:56 PM »
Well ! I first would like to congratulate Brandon and wants to assure him I trust him fully to do a wonderful job at it.

This isn't easy for me to say however. I am a member of a well frequented Wheel of Time french forum. This is where I first heard of Brandon a few months back, actually in december but it was following a very disturbing fact for french people : The editor who bought the rights changed translator in mid serie and the newer one did an awful job placing short swords into aiel hands, and of course, we were outraged to read that they were fighting naval combat !!!!  This new translator never even read the Wheel of Time ! So imagine how nervous we were when we heard about this Brandon Sanderson taking over ! Mind you, one of the very first comment if not the first, it was to say that he had read the Wheel of Time. It was such a relief ! But then hum... You haven't been translated yet, Brandon, so nobody knew you. So I went and I got Elantris and the two Mistborn volumes, and I downloaded Warbreaker as well. I read and had to suffer a few nights of insomnia (willingly) to get to know the end.

Now, not only do I trust Brandon to deliver the job well and in good time, but I'm excited about it and will let the whole forum know. Not only that, but I'm afraid I have been converted and I should stick around here as well. Thanks Brandon !

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Site News / Re: Introduce yourself - right on!
« on: April 14, 2008, 01:04:35 AM »
Hi ! My name is Louise and - I feel so unique - got to finally end up here after reading all of Brandon Sanderson's books just to get to see what type of author he is to accept writing the last volume of the WoT. I am ashame to confess that I had no clue of who he was till THE news !

I am always starving for a good read but I never just read a book... I read the author. Bad habit, I know, but I wont change that.

I'm also a big PC Rpg player\writer. English is not my first language, so please excuse any major mistake in my writing.

I'm also happily married and a mother of two young adults as crazy as I, but I guess, crazyness has to be not such a bad thing after all.

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