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Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« on: September 16, 2010, 09:43:50 PM »
I have this weird hunch that Dalinar made his trip to the valley to ask for Renarin's life while he was still an infant...
The only real evidence I can present is that he looked at him directly when speaking about it, and that Dalinar isn't the type to make frivolous wishes, especially not when the practice of dealing with the Nightwatcher.
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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2010, 10:32:14 PM »
I made a thread about this before.

I thought that his curse was forgetting his wife, but someone else suggested that maybe he asked for those memories to be taken away after she died.
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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2010, 05:57:03 AM »
I have this weird hunch that Dalinar made his trip to the valley to ask for Renarin's life while he was still an infant...
The only real evidence I can present is that he looked at him directly when speaking about it, and that Dalinar isn't the type to make frivolous wishes, especially not when the practice of dealing with the Nightwatcher.
Other ideas?
Step forward. ;)

Dalinar isn't currently the type to make frivolous wishes. Remember, he talks about a recent dramatic change of personality in the book, so he may previously have been likely to do things he'd now consider wrong, trivial, or even pointless.

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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2010, 06:56:20 AM »
also, he might have looked at Renarin when the topic came up, but he definitely seemed ashamed/wished he hadn't done it. If he saved Renarin's life with his trip, then wishing he hadn't gone would almost be like wishing Renarin were dead.

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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2010, 07:18:02 PM »
I kinda thought he asked for the pain over the loss of his wife to be taken away, and the Nightwatcher just wiped her completly from his mind. Pain gone, but now he'll never remember her...
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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2010, 07:36:14 PM »
I kinda thought he asked for the pain over the loss of his wife to be taken away, and the Nightwatcher just wiped her completly from his mind. Pain gone, but now he'll never remember her...

i dunno, i'd kinda doubt this. Especially since he speaks how he had always wanted Navani, but stepped aside for Gavilar. It just seems like the "death of his wife" wouldn't be as big of a deal to him, considering his marriage was a shame, because he was just settling since he couldn't have Navani.

That's how i see it at least. That's why i dont really agree with the gift being anything relating to his wife in specific, and assume the curse to be loss of his memories of her.
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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2010, 08:19:28 PM »
I figured his curse and his boon were the same thing. He asked to forget his wife, thinking to lose the pain, but now years later, he realized what a curse it is.

Nightwatcher was probably jumping for joy when he heard what Dalinar requested. He didn't even have to think of a curse to match the favor.

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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2010, 08:26:01 PM »
Nightwatcher was probably jumping for joy when he heard what Dalinar requested. He didn't even have to think of a curse to match the favor.

Nightwatcher is a woman.

My personal thought was that Dalinar's "gift" was losing the memories of his wife.  I'm not sure why he would ask for it--maybe he knew something about her, or about her death, that he didn't want to remember.
And I don't think that we have seen his true curse yet.  Or it could be that his curse is something to do with Renarin (which might be why he looked at him).  Maybe it is his fault (by seeking the Old Magic) that Renarin is weak and he feels like he needs to make it up to him by getting him Shardplate.

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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 12:46:18 AM »
I thought the gift was losing memories of his wife, until just now on my re-read, page 859: "Would that day never stop haunting him? Was not losing all memory of his wife enough?"

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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 09:01:41 AM »
I think it might be that he asked for Navani, and his curse was his wife dying and/or losing memory of her.

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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 09:40:11 AM »
I think it might be that he asked for Navani, and his curse was his wife dying and/or losing memory of her.
So you mean that Dalinar used the nightwatcher to magic his brother dead after he conciously chose to leave Nevani to him? :/

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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2010, 10:24:54 AM »
I think it might be that he asked for Navani, and his curse was his wife dying and/or losing memory of her.
So you mean that Dalinar used the nightwatcher to magic his brother dead after he conciously chose to leave Nevani to him? :/

Wouldn't be the first time he thought of killing his brother over her. And probably didn't intend for his brother to die.

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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2010, 03:52:39 PM »
I think it might be that he asked for Navani, and his curse was his wife dying and/or losing memory of her.
If he had asked for her, I don't think there would have been a fifteen year delay until they became a couple.

Another possibility is that his wife (or someone else) was dying, and he asked for them to be healed. If it was his wife, then that would be... ironic... to a depressing degree.
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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 05:42:12 PM »
I think it might be that he asked for Navani, and his curse was his wife dying and/or losing memory of her.
If he had asked for her, I don't think there would have been a fifteen year delay until they became a couple.

Another possibility is that his wife (or someone else) was dying, and he asked for them to be healed. If it was his wife, then that would be... ironic... to a depressing degree.
Wouldn't be the first time I have seen a delay in stuff like that but yeah when I think about it it isn't that good of a theory.

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Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2010, 12:35:42 PM »
The problem with trying to work out the gift and curse is that we are making the assumptions of what Dalinar would choose from the character we are shown in WoK. However I think that he went to Nightwatcher before the assassination of the King, and we know from numerous references that Dalinar was a completely different person before the assassination, before he started honouring the codes and before he started hearing passages from the way of kings. This makes it almost impossible to try and work out what sort of gift the old Dalinar would ask for.

However, from my reading of the book, I have a fairly strong suspicion that losing the memories of his wife wasn't the curse (or at least was not at the time, he may look back on it now and regret his decision). This leads me to the theory of whether the gift and curse can be the same thing. A loss of painful memories may be a gift at the time, but it could very soon become a curse.
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