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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2010, 11:05:23 PM »
But it's the wrong power.  Preservation creating a Misting that can only use a power not of him?  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Well, the biggest distinction between the God Metals (Atium and Lerasium) and the others is not only their source, but also that Atium and Lerasium were invented solely for Mistborn.
But you missed one thing - ANYBODY can burn Larasium.

A logical question, then, would be what would happen if a non-Allomancer ate atium much in the same manner that someone takes lerasium.

This happened on a regular basis.  That's how they discovered Seers.
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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2010, 02:02:28 AM »
But it's the wrong power.  Preservation creating a Misting that can only use a power not of him?  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Well, the biggest distinction between the God Metals (Atium and Lerasium) and the others is not only their source, but also that Atium and Lerasium were invented solely for Mistborn.
But you missed one thing - ANYBODY can burn Larasium.

A logical question, then, would be what would happen if a non-Allomancer ate atium much in the same manner that someone takes lerasium.

This happened on a regular basis.  That's how they discovered Seers.

But they were already Allomancers, Seers, and the Atium simply brought that fact to light.

But the thing is that the power of Ruin may be tied to a magic system, but Hemalurgy doesn't naturally occur like Allomancy does.  Lerasium, however, is.  What Lerasium does is significantly increase the amount of Preservation present in a person.  If Atium does the same for Ruin, it'd be more likely to drive them insane then give them any magical power.
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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2010, 04:41:18 AM »
How about this, feed an Elantrian Laraium and Atium. ;P
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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2010, 06:13:41 AM »
But it's the wrong power.  Preservation creating a Misting that can only use a power not of him?  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Well, the biggest distinction between the God Metals (Atium and Lerasium) and the others is not only their source, but also that Atium and Lerasium were invented solely for Mistborn.
But you missed one thing - ANYBODY can burn Larasium.

A logical question, then, would be what would happen if a non-Allomancer ate atium much in the same manner that someone takes lerasium.

This happened on a regular basis.  That's how they discovered Seers.

But they were already Allomancers, Seers, and the Atium simply brought that fact to light.

They needed to check if somebody's is a Seer or not, so most people who were eating it were just normal people.

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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2010, 01:06:57 AM »
But it's the wrong power.  Preservation creating a Misting that can only use a power not of him?  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Well, the biggest distinction between the God Metals (Atium and Lerasium) and the others is not only their source, but also that Atium and Lerasium were invented solely for Mistborn.
But you missed one thing - ANYBODY can burn Larasium.

A logical question, then, would be what would happen if a non-Allomancer ate atium much in the same manner that someone takes lerasium.

This happened on a regular basis.  That's how they discovered Seers.

But they were already Allomancers, Seers, and the Atium simply brought that fact to light.

They needed to check if somebody's is a Seer or not, so most people who were eating it were just normal people.
But they were already Seers, they just didn't know it yet.
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« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2010, 02:47:42 AM »
But they were already Seers, they just didn't know it yet.
The people who passed the test and turned out to be Seers, yes.  He's talking about all the other people who did not pass.  Those people were just ordinary non-Allomancers, and they consumed a small amount of Atium with no apparent effect.

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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2010, 03:47:52 AM »
But they were already Seers, they just didn't know it yet.
The people who passed the test and turned out to be Seers, yes.  He's talking about all the other people who did not pass.  Those people were just ordinary non-Allomancers, and they consumed a small amount of Atium with no apparent effect.
Oh, okay, I was misinterpreting the statement, thank you for clearing that up for me.

Well, we don't know if they were unaffected, they weren't mentioned for the simple fact that they weren't affected.  Perhaps if we took a closer look at these people we'd find some interesting goings-on farther down the line.
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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2010, 04:00:48 AM »
The only people we every read about taking Atium are allomancers.  Namely, Yomen, various mistborn and the mistfallen.  We can presume that the ministries tested all obligators, but it's an assumption, since Vin informs us that common belief was that Atium mistings were impossible.

Given that Brandon never included an ungifted human taking Atium, we can only make assumptions.  But that world is gone now anyway.  It's Sazed's world now and who knows where Brandon will take it assuming he ever returns to it.
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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2010, 04:27:37 AM »
It actually does. In the Hero of Ages Q&A, Brandon says...

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They spike the drinks at one of the nobility's balls with trace amounts of Atium, then cause a bit disturbance.  (Often, the Inquisitors themselves arriving will do it) and burn bronze and watch for brief pulses.  The body will burn metals instinctively if it can, which has been shown quite often in the series.  This is also how they get a lot of their secret information about who is a Misting and who isn't.  It's not a perfect method, since you have to watch for Copperclouds messing things up, but it is effective once in a while. 

Any time an obligator who is not a Misting joins the Ministry, he is unknowingly given a larger chunk of atium and then forced into a series of rituals that will drain him physically and get the body to react and burn the metal.  This was how Yomen was discovered.

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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2010, 06:08:22 AM »
When I said that Atium and Larasium were invented for Mistborn, I meant the books, not the people.

So all the obligators have taken Atium, yes?  Maybe that somewhat explains why things were so messed up in the government. :P
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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2010, 03:11:58 AM »
But it's the wrong power.  Preservation creating a Misting that can only use a power not of him?  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Well, the biggest distinction between the God Metals (Atium and Lerasium) and the others is not only their source, but also that Atium and Lerasium were invented solely for Mistborn.

Who said Preservation was the one who allowed Allomancers to burn Atium? ;) It could either have been a side-effect of Allomancy, or it could have been by Ruin's design.

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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2010, 03:56:45 AM »
But it's the wrong power.  Preservation creating a Misting that can only use a power not of him?  Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Well, the biggest distinction between the God Metals (Atium and Lerasium) and the others is not only their source, but also that Atium and Lerasium were invented solely for Mistborn.

Who said Preservation was the one who allowed Allomancers to burn Atium? ;) It could either have been a side-effect of Allomancy, or it could have been by Ruin's design.
An interesting idea, the question to that, though, would be whether or not Ruin was able to have a conscious effect on the working's of Preservation's magic system and vice versa.  I'm inclined to say yes, due to what I consider to be the intertwined nature of the systems, but I wouldn't think it to be too great or else Ruin could just shut down all the Allomancers if he wanted to.
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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2010, 07:28:16 PM »
But why would Ruin want people to burn Atium?
The only answer to that I can see would be that, maybe at the beginning atium was scattered all around the world, and he wanted to gather it in one place, Pits.

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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #73 on: April 29, 2010, 06:21:44 AM »
Ruin wants people to burn atium, just not all of it.  Atium turns people into very efficient killing machines, and killing makes ruin happy.
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Re: Larasium?
« Reply #74 on: April 29, 2010, 05:51:10 PM »
Ruin may have made Atium so super powerful, so that it would be super valuable. People don't tend to lose valuable things, plus they will go to extremes to find it, and if people find it, Ruin finds it.