Elantris vs. Mistborn *Spoilers*

[Miyabi]

I love how we're putting statistical analysis to hypothetical outliers within a fictional universe. x.x ha ha.

I definitely think a Monk could win the fight if he had the proper training.

[Czanos]

It's very true. However, there are some frames of reference to judge by.

For example, Dilaf gives us the information that every one of his monks has the strength of a hundred men. That is the equivalent of fifty-ish Koloss, plus enhanced speed and other miscellaneous abilities. That would make for a very dangerous melee fighter, and the only way I see a Mistborn killing one is with a lot of duralumin and pewter, or some atium. A Feruchemist could probably kill one monk with ease, though, as he tapped all his metalminds to 120 times normal abilities.  He would only have a few brief moments, but during that time he could crush a monk with ease.

So if the Feruchemist is going to take down the monk, that only leaves the Allomancer to take on the Elantrian. Without Atium or temporal external metals to work with, any hope for the Mistborn lies in either their greater mobility or ending the fight quickly. Mobility is a key factor, because the Elantrian would remain pinned close to Elantris, whereas the Mistborn could rove freely,  perhaps drawing their opponent to a location where Aons have weaker effects. If that was not an option, probably the best bet for the Allomancer would be to burn duralumin, steel, pewter, and zinc/brass all at once, moving towards the enemy at a rapid pace while hopefully disrupting any Aon creation for a few seconds with crushing emotional pressure. If a Mistborn got into close-quarters with an Elantrian, I would have no doubts they could win a one-on-one fight.



Now suppose either the Mistborn or the Feruchemist were to sacrifice themselves, allowing the other to Hemalurgically endow themselves? That would form a Lord Ruler-esque creation, allowing the surviving member to both Allomantically burn and Feruchemically fill one metal. But which metal to choose? A Feruchemist who can burn Steel? A Mistborn with Mental Speed augmentation? They would have to face both a Dakhor monk and an Elantrian alone, so it would have to count. Maybe a Gold-healing Mistborn?

[Patriotic Kaz]

Doesn't Sazed mention how Feruchemy can only stretch so far without damaging the user because if it does then the monk pwns his ass.

[Shaggy]

I think he does that anyway. 


Quick random question: can women be monks?? (In BS's story; not the real world (  ).)

[SarahG]

Quick random question: can women be monks?? (In BS's story; not the real world (  ).)

I don't know.  As far as I know we haven't seen any.  However, judging by Warbreaker, Sanderson seems to think "monk" is a gender-neutral term.

[Peter Ahlstrom]

That depends on the society Brandon has created. Fjorden seems to me more likely to be militantly patriarchal.

[SarahG]

Ookla, I agree that it's likely Fjorden monks were all male.  My point was that Sanderson has no difficulty in using the English word "monk" to describe women, so that in itself would be no argument.  (Not that anyone was actually making that argument, but I might have been tempted to do so if it weren't for the Warbreaker monks.)

[Renoard]

I've noticed a number of people trying to alter monk into a gender neutral term.  I have a feeling both, nuns and monks would be disturbed by this.  Maybe I'll wander down the street to the priory and ask.  I'd go next door to the convent but they are skittish over there.  Seldom see them unless they are speeding away in their white minivan.  Heh, imagine 5 nuns in a minivan.  It's a riot.

[SarahG]

Renoard, who's doing that other than EUOL?  His gender-neutral usage of "monk" bothered me mainly because I hadn't seen that usage elsewhere, so it seemed like a mistake to me.  I have no problem with words changing meanings - that's what words do - but until the new meaning becomes common, it seems like a misuse.

And I don't get what's funny about a minivan full of nuns.  Do you think they ought to be using horse-drawn carriages?  Or a Pope-mobile?  Or should they not be leaving their convent at all?

[Patriotic Kaz]

@ Renoard Imagine 9 midgets in a white mini van living out of the Travel Lodge in Albuquerque its awesome! They are hispanic and no-one in my troop understood what they said because of the speed in which they were speaking, like soccer announcers.

[Renoard]

This Travelodge,  it wasn't being run by Glenda the good was it?  Come to think of it, Sleepy Bear's cap and gown look a little like the habit of those nuns. . .

[Patriotic Kaz]

It may be, though i doubt it we were in the hot tub and a couple started having sex in the pool rather discomforting...

[Shaggy]

Well that's weird. 

[AGrey]

completely ignoring the last five or so (and increasingly off-topic) posts, here's basically what it comes down to:

Whatever it was that dilaf did when he destroyed the aon that acted as raoden's disguise: can he use that power against mistborn/feruchemists?  can all monks do that?

if he has some kind of anti-magic that will neutralise the mistborn, then there's no question that the mistborn win, even with atium.

[edit:] actually, thinking about it, the elantrians win given enough preparation.

if it is assumed that the feruchemist is given time to store attributes for the fight, then the elantrian should also be given the preparatory time to apply sheild aons to his clothing, explosive aons to a handful of rocks, light aons to blind a tineye: basically prepare an aresenal of aon-equipped weaponry.

OK, now i want to change my vote.  elantrians win.

[Inquisitor]

The Dakhor could just provide a distraction while the Elantrian drew an Aon to blow the Allomancer away. They then proceed to kill the Feruchemist. Elantrian/Dakhor takes this.