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Bastille

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« on: December 11, 2008, 01:57:21 AM »
I saw this connection between the Mistborn book and Alcatraz 1 and 2. Here it is.

Mistborn:
Sometimes, I worry that I'm not the hero everyone thinks I am. . . .

The philosophers assure me that this is the time, that the signs have been met. But I still wonder if they have the wrong man. So many people depend on me. They say I will hold the future of the entire world on my arms.

What would they think if they knew that their champion--the Hero of Ages, their savior--doubted himself? Perhaps they wouldn't be shocked at all. In a way, this is what worries me most. Maybe, in their hearts, they wonder--just as I do.

When they see me, do they see a liar?


Alcatraz 1:
I am not a good person.

Oh, I know what the stories say about me. They call me Oculator Dramatus, Hero, Savior of the Twelve Kingdoms. . . . Those, however, are just rumors. Some are exaggerations; many are outright lies. The truth is far less impressive.


Alcatraz 2:
I am a liar.

I realize that you may not believe this. In fact, hope that you don't. Not only would that make the statement particularly ironic, but it means you have very far to fall.


The part of them both being hero's that everyone counts apon but is afraid they'll fail them and both calling themselves liers. I wonder if that's a connection.

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Re: Connection
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 06:18:43 AM »
I have a theory, though an unlikely one at that. I think that Brandon Sanderson finds characters with self-esteem issues interesting, and it helps us root for the character more.

Is there a higher connection? Maybe, but I think it's kind of like what Dumbledore said:
Those who have power thrust upon them do much better than someone who looks for power.

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Re: Connection
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 08:40:37 AM »
I'm still saying there is an inter-work connection between the Alcatraz world and the other books. I won't go as far as to say I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong or anything ( ;)), but it's just what I think.

Oh, and there's also Quenten using some spook slang in book 1.  :)

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Re: Connection
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 11:24:09 AM »
Quentin is in another book, alright. What about..

Sing
Leavenworth
Bastille
Draulin
Kazan

I dought they'll be in any other book because there all (except Draulin and Sing) prison names.

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Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour. Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief, So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.

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Re: Connection
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 04:05:49 PM »
Well all I was really saying is that he spoke in Spook Dialect for one line. Now it may have just been an Easter egg, but in a body of work so interconnected, to actually  have some sort of tangible link between Alcatraz's Earth and Mistborn's Scadriel is interesting.  :)

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Re: Connection
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 05:30:33 PM »
Quentin is in another book, alright. What about..

Sing
Leavenworth
Bastille
Draulin
Kazan

I dought they'll be in any other book because there all (except Draulin and Sing) prison names.

Bastille

Sing is actually named after Sing Sing prison In New York state.
I must not fear;
Fear is the mind killer;
I will face my fear;
I will let it pass through me;
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing;
Only I will remain.
-Paul Muad'dib Atreides-

Anticipation of death is worse than death itself.
-Me-

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Re: Connection
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 09:35:25 PM »
There's a prison called Sing Sing!!! Okay!! Thanks so much. That's good info!!

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Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour. Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief, So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.

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Re: Connection
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 11:51:21 PM »
I always thought wasin was just an easter egg.  He can't have hoid there so instead he did that to link them.  (Plus, it technically wasn't easternese.  That was the line in the first book that Dox says when everyone is talking in easternese that makes everyone laugh because it means nothing.)
"The custom of royalty in referring to oneself is to naturally employ the royal 'we'.  We are very happy, we are very sad, we are bored and suffer from ennui.  For a royal prince there's no such word as 'me', It's always 'we'.  So rightfully I should be two or three, don't you agree?"

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Re: Connection
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2008, 04:09:44 AM »
How about this one?

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Cadmium (Pulser) slightly 'pulls' on time in a bubble around the Allomancer stretching it and making it pass more slowly

Cerrobend (Slider) slightly 'pushes' time in a bubble around the Allomancer, compressing it, and making it pass more quickly.

But I think bubble of time is an interesting choice of words....

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I glanced back at Bastille and Kaz. They were still frozen, as if time wasn't moving for them.

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The bubble of strange time-shift still continued to be in force, however, so the Lens hadn't been behind that.

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"Time moves differently in there," I said, looking back at the sarcophagus. It seemed unchanged, the dust hanging in the air, the lamps extinguished.

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I think stepping into that circle takes you back in time to the moment he died," I said. Something like that. I'm not exactly sure

Alcatraz and  the Scrivener's bones pg 225

For those that haven't read Alcatraz, what probably really happened is that the dead guy in the bubble of time broke time, so his body stays preserved.... even after over 2000 years. The text mentions that the Egyptians tried to copy him by using mummies.

Stupid mummies

Zas

I think that maybe a Duralumin/Nicrosil enhanced Slider (time-slower downer) might be able to do that....

How's THAT for a connection?

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Re: Connection
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2008, 01:33:40 PM »
Wow!! I never thought of that. That was a VERY good find.  :D

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Nature's first green is gold
Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour. Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief, So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.

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Re: Connection
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2008, 06:47:51 PM »
Here's another one that's kinda similar....

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There,inscribed over the door, was a circle split into four sections, with symbols written in each of the four pieces.

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"The inner squares say the things you taught, Kaz," I said. "Time, Space, Matter, Knowledge."
Alcatraz 2 pg 211

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Four physical metals, four mental metals, four enhancement metals, and four temporal metals
Hero of Ages pg 476

If you draw the Incarnate Wheel that Alcatraz mentions, then you turn to the back of HOA, you see two diagrams that are amazingly similar, with the biggest difference is the change from Enhancement to Space.

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“It’s a fun tradition.”
“So was witch-burning,” Melody said.  “Unless you were the witch.”

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Re: Connection
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2008, 11:06:19 PM »
Yay, thanks for posting those Zas.  :)

I too thought there was something to the second one you posted, but didn't think of the first one.

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Re: Connection
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2008, 11:24:38 PM »
Very interesting. I think everybody can agree there are too many of these connections for it to be coincidence or our overactive imaginations. The question we have to ask now is, are these just easter eggs or are the two stories/worlds in the same universe?
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Re: Connection
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2008, 12:35:58 AM »
That would be very cool if they were in the same universe!!

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Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour. Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief, So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.

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Re: Connection
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 12:48:35 AM »
I just mentioned this in another thread, but Alcatraz doesn't take place in the same universe as Brandon's adult fantasy books. Well, at the time it was written anyway, you never know what might get ret-conned later. :)
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