Splitting A Memory of Light...

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I suppose that's the meaning of IT IS NOT HERE.
That's it, Bela was not there 

I guess we'll see the DO as a Black Horse being mounted by Moridin against Rand mounting Bela.
That should be something to see 

[melbatoast]

I guess we'll see the DO as a Black Horse being mounted by Moridin against Rand mounting Bela.
That should be something to see 

Can't wait to see the fan art.

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PS: just noticed, why do we always tend to think of the DO as male? And... does that mean the Creator is female? 
Not strictly, of course, just about ying/yang dynamics.

Ok, here's a thought. In the AMoL thread we have been discussing Shaidar Haran as possibly part of the essence of the DO, but in Shaidar Haran's POV he refers to himself as "it". So maybe the DO doesn't have a gender.

[Shaggy]

Or maybe he's an eunuch.

[Cynewulf]

There is no reason at all to think the Dark One has a gender, as he is not human. The masculine personal pronoun is certainly due to linguistic convention and tradition, not reality. I believe RJ already stated as much, in connection with the Question of the Week sessions run by Tor around the time of the release of Crossroads of Twilight, but I cannot be bothered to look it up unless someone presses me on the matter.

Shaidar Haran is another matter, we know for certain that he is male, for two main reasons. One, there are no female Myrddraal, and two, he has to date raped both Moghedien and Alviarin.

[Shaggy]

One, there are no female Myrddraal

Well…so far. You never know.

two, he has to date raped both Moghedien and Alviarin.

Really?? When? I don't remember that.…

[Shard]

RJ stated that he did so apparently He can, what's more that is how Fades are made. I think it's in LoC where there are two women crying in a corner and a Fade comes for one of them. It's then implied that she is raped, gets pregnant and gives brith to another Fade and dies from it. It's pretty horrible.

[Shaggy]

So if he raped them, shouldn't they both be dead?? 

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From Encyclopedia WOT -

Myrddraal are the spawn of Trollocs and the taint of evil is even stronger in them. They are man-sized and are pasty white. They have no eyes, yet they see like eagles. They have powers that stem from the Dark One. They are no match for an Aes Sedai, but they can best most warriors. The look of a Fade inspires fear in men. In the Trolloc Wars, Dreadlords commanded Fades that led Trollocs into battle.

All Myrddraal are male. They are not sterile but they cannot reproduce with either humans or Trollocs.

I don't remember the scene you are talking about, but I know it is implied that they do rape women.

[Shaggy]

These conflict:

From Encyclopedia WOT -
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Myrddraal are the spawn of Trollocs and the taint of evil is even stronger in them. They are man-sized and are pasty white. They have no eyes, yet they see like eagles. They have powers that stem from the Dark One. They are no match for an Aes Sedai, but they can best most warriors. The look of a Fade inspires fear in men. In the Trolloc Wars, Dreadlords commanded Fades that led Trollocs into battle.

All Myrddraal are male. They are not sterile but they cannot reproduce with either humans or Trollocs.

she is raped, gets pregnant and gives brith to another Fade and dies from it. It's pretty horrible.

[Miyabi]

Wait I'm confused.  Are we talking about Myrddraals or Fades?  Or are they the same thing?  Also, what does this have to do with splitting AMoL?  I think we've lost the topic.

[douglas]

They're the same thing.

And yes, this is rather off topic for this thread.

[thall]

On topic : As much as I dont agree with a double release, I think business-wise there is no other option. Its going to be 700k+ words .... A little too much for one book.

I do believe RJ would have liked one release to keep the fans happy. I am crossing my fingers for one release. But not holding my breath.

[Shard]

They only die if they become pregnant and give birth. Moggy and Alvarin I would assume take precautions against such things. We don't see the scene but apparently RJ was asked and he said yes Moggy was raped by SH.

Also I say Fade because I have trouble spelling the actual name.

[melbatoast]

Shard, do you have any evidence that women can become pregnant if raped by a fade? Otherwise, I think that they are sterile. And then we could end the off-topicness.