Possible Allomantic Metals *Possible Spoilers*

[Xekim]

((Sorry if this is in the wrong place))


I'm just a bit curious about what makes certain metals not work for Allomancy.  I know that silver and lead cannot work as the dominant metal in a mixture or by themselves, though they can change the effects of other metals that can be burned.  So, my question really is "What metals do you think could be used for Allomancy, and which ones do you think couldn't work?"  ( I know that there are a lot of different types of metal, but still.)

EDIT:  Oh and you can even go as far as posting what you think they would do if you burned them if you're feeling some real inspiration...

[Tyrfang]

Each pair always seems to have one pure, "base" metal, and one alloy that included the pure metal.

It's hard to think of any powers that haven't already been covered.

The only thing that I can think of that seems to be missing is telepathy and mind reading.  It would fit the internal/external pair, but I am unsure as to what metal would be appropriate...

Most likely, it would be something that is relatively uncommon,  otherwise it would have been discovered already by the Lord Ruler.  Or it was never recognized as a metal (i.e. Platinum, which was thought to be an impurity found in mining Silver for centuries before anyone realized its true value).

Or, the metal simply could not be properly mined with available technology due to an incredibly difficult refining procedure.  This seems rather unlikely simply because of Aluminum's availability.  Aluminum is one of the most difficult metals to refine in the world, and suggests that the ore refining and metallurgy capabilities of the Mistborn world are, at most, approximately 100 years junior to ours.

The fact that no platinum-group metals are mentioned in the books seems to support the first theory, but the wide-spread availability of aluminum seems to contradict this...

Conversely, it's possible that the last base metal, and consequently the paired alloy, was inadvertently wiped from the planet by the Lord Ruler.  This would explain why it was missing for the entirety of the series.

EDIT: Yeah, all this speculation is rather useless since the 16 metals are already known, but...

[Reaves]

although I think Brandon hinted there might be more. Logically, there is probably a Lerasium and it's alloy floating around somewhere.

[happyman]

It seems to me that this thread should be marked for possible spoilers.  I have comments I'd like to make, but I'm not certain what the protocol is here.

[Xekim]

There would be the sixteen metals and there would be something like sub-metals in a similar four category system. 

Blood/Flesh Metals

Dream/Thought Metals

Time/Space Metals

Then Enhancement would remain the same. 

Metals I thought would work were a lot like

Nickel and it's Alloy Iconel.  My thought was that these two metals were very fast burning and they allowed the user to purge their blood of all alien substances of organisms.  For example, if Vin had been able to burn Nickel when she had to drink the drug that was in the wine when she'd been captured by Yomen, then she would have been able to use one or two beads of it and clear it out of her system.  Then, Iconel would allow you to clot blood faster, allowing you to stop bleeding wounds and begin the healing process faster.  Not sure what the external versions would be.  *shrugs*  It was just an idea. 

[Tyrfang]

I interpreted this thread as more of a "what other metals could be allomatic metals, if there were not a "16 metal cap" so to speak, and what powers haven't been covered yet?

I was thinking something along the lines of heat.  External = heat up something (at the expense of the energy contained in the metal).  Internal = cool something down (sinking it into your body).  Using both would more or less allow you to transfer heat from one source to another.  A skilled user could use this to destroy the structural integrity of something. 

Complement would probably be the ability to absorb or expel an electrical charge...?

[Xekim]

Well, yes, that's what this thread was.  I was just presenting an idea.  *smiles*

I mean, there are so many different kinds of metal out there, so it would be hard to imagine that those could be the only ones with power.   (unless they actually are.  *shrugs*)

I mean metals like

Bismuth and Rosallum(Rose's Metal)

Cobalt and Stellite

Magnesium and Magnox....

Those are combos that sound cool. 

[Elmandr]

Well, yes, that's what this thread was.  I was just presenting an idea.  *smiles*

I mean, there are so many different kinds of metal out there, so it would be hard to imagine that those could be the only ones with power.   (unless they actually are.  *shrugs*)

I mean metals like

Bismuth and Rosallum(Rose's Metal)

Cobalt and Stellite

Magnesium and Magnox....

Those are combos that sound cool. 

Those are some pretty awesome combinations...

[Xekim]

As for what they would do this is what I imagine. 

Bismuth:  When you burn this, the next metal burns at half it's original rate, allowing longer usage of it.   However, once it begins burning, you cannot stop burning it until it's all gone. 

Rosallum:  Making the metals of your allies burn slower, though their metals will continue to burn until used up against their will. 

Cobalt:  Let's you show someone of your choice a future event taking place in the foreseeable future.  It's not much that you are seeing shadows (like with Atium), more, they see images and vague impressions.  This may or may not be useful since it may show either an unimportant event or something vital. 

Stellite:  Let's you show others events in their past.  This may be useful in showing others past information that they have forgotten, or it can be simply for the other person to recollect.   

Magnesium:  Let's you send out impression of thought or speech into the minds of someone within your eyesight.  This can allow for secretive communications as wells as making plans without being heard.  Though it's uses are not as numerous unless someone else can also burn this metal. 

Magnox:  Opens your mind, allowing free thoughts to flow in.  In other words, for those who are easily susceptible to emotional allomancy, their thoughts will not be as private as they may think if someone around is burning Magnox.

Nickel:  Allows the one burning it to self purify their blood.  This allows the curing or eradication of certain diseases and poisons.  Also, it can burn away excess matter in the blood stream that may prove fatal.  It cannot effect Hemalurgic Spikes.  The metal burns remarkably fast, so full purification requires either a couple beads burned over a certain period of time or two Duralumin Bursts for fast action. 

Iconel:  Allows you to purify the blood of an ally though physical contact.  By placing the hands on the chest or stomach, they may replicate effects similar to nickel.  It burns just a tad bit slower than it's base metal counterpart, however, It takes a bit longer for the person being purified to be cured, though two Duralumin bursts aught to do it.  However, Duralumin bursts leave the effected or yourself (with both metals) exhausted rather than burning it slowly and letting it steadily but surely burn out of your system. 

[Miyabi]

Ahhhh, I can see this conversation lasting until the release of whenever the next book comes out.  We may as well just list every metal and alloy there is as well as every possible thing it could do.

[Elmandr]

Ahhhh, I can see this conversation lasting until the release of whenever the next book comes out.  We may as well just list every metal and alloy there is as well as every possible thing it could do.

Hey miyabe, nice to...read you again?

anyway, that is what we will do, that is what we do here, isn't it?

Hello, Timewasters, duuh.

Pluses things like this, it keeps the brandon sanderson thread unit going...the usual speculation and theoretical lot has ended with the release of HOA and discussing the finish has grown wan...We need this thread.

[Miyabi]

Ahhhh, I can see this conversation lasting until the release of whenever the next book comes out.  We may as well just list every metal and alloy there is as well as every possible thing it could do.

Hey miyabe, nice to...read you again?

anyway, that is what we will do, that is what we do here, isn't it?

Hello, Timewasters, duuh.

Pluses things like this, it keeps the brandon sanderson thread unit going...the usual speculation and theoretical lot has ended with the release of HOA and discussing the finish has grown wan...We need this thread.

If you say so. ha ha.  Yeah I've been sick and such.

What about a metalSSSSSSS that dampen physical strength and the senses of others???

[Xekim]

I'm sure there could be metals that do that, though would that be under physical metals or some other new category. 

[Miyabi]

I'm sure there could be metals that do that, though would that be under physical metals or some other new category. 

Well you know how there are currently groups of two of groups of two.  What if they were groups of two of groups of two of groups of two.  So that there are actually 32 metals.  your branch would go say


=====PHYSICAL=====
--Enhance (Own) Senses --

--Enhances Strength--

++Pushes Metals++

++Pulls Metals++

=====META-PHYSICAL=====
--Dampens (Others) Senses--

--Dampens (Others) Strength--

++Pushes (Destroys) Metals (Not in someone's body)++

++Pulls (Creates) Metals (But not directly into someones body)++


We already see that Chromium or Nicrosil will do the 'destroying' metals, but inside someone.  We also see that when Vin is part of Preservation she can create the metals inside someone (Maybe some other metal will do that.  So there is some plausibility to that.  And we see with Chromium and Nicrosil and Zinc and Brass affect other people.

[Elmandr]

I'm sure there could be metals that do that, though would that be under physical metals or some other new category. 

Well you know how there are currently groups of two of groups of two.  What if they were groups of two of groups of two of groups of two.  So that there are actually 32 metals.  your branch would go say


=====PHYSICAL=====
--Enhance (Own) Senses --

--Enhances Strength--

++Pushes Metals++

++Pulls Metals++

=====META-PHYSICAL=====
--Dampens (Others) Senses--

--Dampens (Others) Strength--

++Pushes (Destroys) Metals (Not in someone's body)++

++Pulls (Creates) Metals (But not directly into someones body)++


We already see that Chromium or Nicrosil will do the 'destroying' metals, but inside someone.  We also see that when Vin is part of Preservation she can create the metals inside someone (Maybe some other metal will do that.  So there is some plausibility to that.  And we see with Chromium and Nicrosil and Zinc and Brass affect other people.

Thats interesting. More convention magic systems focus more on what the magician could do to another through his/her powers...

I wonder if allomancy would allow someone to temporarily take away someones strength or sight?

The question there becomes, where does it go?

Matter can not be created or destroyed...

We know that from allomancy, the energy comes from the mist--so nothing is being created. But if you were to take away energy--where do you purpose it goes?

I think the best way to explain this is to say that it returns to the mist...

However, i do doubt that there are such metals. in the first place. Just figured I'd humor myself with the notion that such metal could exist.