Electrum (Long.. sorry)

[Czanos]

Touching back on one of the quotes VegasDev made . . .

So, anyway, the Eleventh Metal (malatium) matches with atium--both of which create images from other people. And, just like atium shadows are incorporeal, so are malatium shadows. That's why Vin couldn't touch the one she saw of the Lord Ruler.

Does that mean that electrum, gold's compliment, will have corporeal shadows? If so, what would happen if you touched/killed/maimed it?

[darxbane]

they will be incorporeal.  Something weird does happen to Vin when she touches her own gold shadow, but nothing happens when she touches TLR's.  Either way, I don't think you could hurt the shadow.

[Czanos]

But the malatium shadows Vin touched are incorporeal because they're paired with atium.
But electrum shadows, on the other hand, are paired with gold, which is corporeal.

I assume what would happen is another manifestation of the "something weird" you mentioned. (Of course, I want to know what woudl happen if you tried to kill your gold shadow as well . . .)

[darxbane]

I would think that if they were corporeal, everyone would be able to see them.  Besides, since only the person using the metal could see them, then that person would in effect be committing suicide by "killing" the image.

[Czanos]

Aha. Kelsier says that the gold shadows are just hallucinations, as are atium and malatium shadows. So I guess it'd just be a hallucination, and killing it would just be a very unpleasant experience for you.

[Peter Ahlstrom]

Does the visual manifestation of malatium seem to correlate more with atium's visual manifestation or with gold's? How does electrum fit on the external/internal/pushing/pulling grid in relation to atium, gold, and malatium?

[Miyabi]

Aha. Kelsier says that the gold shadows are just hallucinations, as are atium and malatium shadows. So I guess it'd just be a hallucination, and killing it would just be a very unpleasant experience for you.

But the visualization of killing yourself would probably cause most people to have a mental break down.

[Czanos]

Okay, I made a breakdown. . .

Temporal Metals


External Metals

Pushing Metal - Malatium
Pushes past images out of others. Incorporeal.
Pulling Metal - Atium
Pulls future shadows out of others. Incorporeal.


Internal Metals

Pushing Metal - Electrum
Pushes future images out of yourself.
Pulling Metal - Gold
Pulls past shadow out of yourself. Corporeal to the burner, hallucination.



As far as I know, that's the gridwork, but if that's the case, why would malatium (External Pushing metal.) be so much like gold? (Internal Pulling metal.) They're about as far apart as they can be. But using the same logic, electrum and atium should both have similar visual manifestations.

[Miyabi]

I love this analysis Czanos.

[Reaves]

I love this analysis Reaves.

uh...what?

[Miyabi]

I love this analysis Reaves.

uh...what?

Oops I like. . . looked and saw the R in the picture and didn't look at the name.  haha.

[Peter Ahlstrom]

Okay, I made a breakdown. . .

Temporal Metals


External Metals

Pushing Metal - Malatium
Pushes past images out of others. Incorporeal.
Pulling Metal - Atium
Pulls future shadows out of others. Incorporeal.


Internal Metals

Pushing Metal - Electrum
Pushes future images out of yourself.
Pulling Metal - Gold
Pulls past shadow out of yourself. Corporeal to the burner, hallucination.



As far as I know, that's the gridwork, but if that's the case, why would malatium (External Pushing metal.) be so much like gold? (Internal Pulling metal.) They're about as far apart as they can be. But using the same logic, electrum and atium should both have similar visual manifestations.

Maybe the classification is just wrong. Atium and gold were misclassified for years as being a pair, after all. It would make more sense to me if the pushing and pulling of one of the pairs were switched around.

I guess not though, since the pulling metals are all elemental and the pushing metals are all alloys.

[Time and Again]

I'm supprised the theroy held water this long.

I just don't like the idea of Atium being such a different metal. All the other metals react pretty simular to each other. For atium to look about a second into the future and the others to look decades just doesn't make any sense.

[Miyabi]

I'm supprised the theroy held water this long.

I just don't like the idea of Atium being such a different metal. All the other metals react pretty simular to each other. For atium to look about a second into the future and the others to look decades just doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't have to make sense. . . it's magic.

haha

[happyman]

I'm supprised the theroy held water this long.

I just don't like the idea of Atium being such a different metal. All the other metals react pretty simular to each other. For atium to look about a second into the future and the others to look decades just doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't have to make sense. . . it's magic.

haha

The best magic systems are the ones that do make sense.  "Alternate physics" is often a good way of looking at them.  Frankly, they also make for tighter stories, although Sanderson's First Law considerations come into play here.