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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #345 on: July 11, 2008, 05:12:15 PM »
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lol thats what i was thinking, havent seen Vintage, Chaos, or Ookla in a while. And i defintely think Comatose=craziest theorizer ever!!

Why yes, yes indeed.

And I think kthe kidneys and stomach and intestines are too low down, I thought the lower spikes were all in the chest, but you guys are including the who torso.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #346 on: July 11, 2008, 06:35:55 PM »
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lol thats what i was thinking, havent seen Vintage, Chaos, or Ookla in a while. And i defintely think Comatose=craziest theorizer ever!!

Why yes, yes indeed.

And I think kthe kidneys and stomach and intestines are too low down, I thought the lower spikes were all in the chest, but you guys are including the who torso.
Well there are no other places in the upper torso that are vital organs.

My money is on the stomach.  It's still somewhat up there and the spike might stay in.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #347 on: July 11, 2008, 11:04:16 PM »
maybe the metal symbols have something to do with the way the spikes pierce the body
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #348 on: July 11, 2008, 11:52:58 PM »
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lol thats what i was thinking, havent seen Vintage, Chaos, or Ookla in a while. And i defintely think Comatose=craziest theorizer ever!!

Why yes, yes indeed.

And I think kthe kidneys and stomach and intestines are too low down, I thought the lower spikes were all in the chest, but you guys are including the who torso.
Well there are no other places in the upper torso that are vital organs.

My money is on the stomach.  It's still somewhat up there and the spike might stay in.


Do inquisitors need to eat?
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #349 on: July 12, 2008, 01:49:49 AM »
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lol thats what i was thinking, havent seen Vintage, Chaos, or Ookla in a while. And i defintely think Comatose=craziest theorizer ever!!

Why yes, yes indeed.

And I think kthe kidneys and stomach and intestines are too low down, I thought the lower spikes were all in the chest, but you guys are including the who torso.
Well there are no other places in the upper torso that are vital organs.

My money is on the stomach.  It's still somewhat up there and the spike might stay in.


Do inquisitors need to eat?
I do not believe it was ever mentioned if they had to or not.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #350 on: July 12, 2008, 01:50:56 AM »
maybe the metal symbols have something to do with the way the spikes pierce the body
I don't think so.  Many of them have two spikes in them and there are only 11 spikes. . . . I don't think that would work.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #351 on: July 12, 2008, 02:07:47 AM »
I think how the spikes are positioned will play some part, where in the upper torso could 7 other spikes go (i'm counting the one in the heart already)
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #352 on: July 14, 2008, 12:10:31 AM »
I'm pretty sure it clearly says "chest" though in the book, does anyone have the quote?
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #353 on: July 14, 2008, 01:24:42 AM »
One interesting note:

While rereading Mistborn 1 on Friday, I think it said that the spike connecting the eyes and the rest of the body was made out of steel.  It's during the showdown with TLR when Marsh destroys all the Inquisitors in Kredik Shaw.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #354 on: July 14, 2008, 01:43:49 AM »
And the steel and ironlines point to the chest, where the spike goes through, to connect to the spike in the head.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #355 on: July 14, 2008, 03:32:43 PM »
Ok, im continuing the conversation on using the mists from the Ruin and Preservation thread.

We know that Vin and possibly others can burn mists. This is supported by several quotes from the book and Sanderson, such as
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While she was fighting him, she drew upon the mists somehow, burning them in place of metals.

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That day, they (the mists) had fueled her Allomancy, giving her a strength they shouldn't have had.

Ok. we know she can burn mists. The second quote says it is Allomancy, but i do not believe that is proof it actually is Allomancy. Right now, she has no idea that hemalurgy even exists; all she knows is that she has a strange power and assumes it is Allomancy.

I have gone back and forth on whether i think it actually is Allomancy; at first i had thought hemalurgy, then andrew convinced me it was allomancy. Now i am back to hemalurgy. However, there are arguments both ways.

ALLOMANCY
-Vin tells us she thinks it is Allomancy
-Allomancers in the past were more powerful, perhaps because of this ability
-to use Allomancy you burn metals, perhaps burning mist is not too far different

HEMALURGY
-We know Vin has hemalurgy, to me it makes sense to connect the dots. She has a strange power no other Allomancer knows of...and hemalurgy is a strange power no one knows of.
-the effect of the mists being repelled is i believe explained by this theory. When a hemalurgist is burning mist, the mist around them has the effect of being repelled, although it is actually being burned. It would not make sense for Allomancers to attract mist when they burn it, because all modern Allomancers attract mist and they know nothing of burning it.

SOMETHING ELSE
-i think miyabi suggested that burning mist was actually a different power, unrelated to hemalurgy, feruchemy, or allomancy. To take a page from his book,
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that theory has more holes than swiss cheese.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #356 on: July 14, 2008, 05:36:16 PM »
I'm pretty sure it clearly says "chest" though in the book, does anyone have the quote?

MB1, p. 637
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Marsh nodded.  "Two in the head, eight in the chest, one in the back to seal them together."

I agree that this is a major hole for the spike-per-organ theory.  I can't think of any organs in the chest except heart and lungs.  It's my understanding that in the MB3 prologue, the spike went through the VICTIM'S heart but not necessarily through the heart of the Inquisitor-in-the-making.  I don't know, though; we do know that the Inquisitors' eyes are replaced by spikes, so for consistency it might make sense for the same to be true of other organs.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #357 on: July 14, 2008, 06:36:24 PM »
I'm pretty sure it clearly says "chest" though in the book, does anyone have the quote?

MB1, p. 637
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Marsh nodded.  "Two in the head, eight in the chest, one in the back to seal them together."

I agree that this is a major hole for the spike-per-organ theory.  I can't think of any organs in the chest except heart and lungs.  It's my understanding that in the MB3 prologue, the spike went through the VICTIM'S heart but not necessarily through the heart of the Inquisitor-in-the-making.  I don't know, though; we do know that the Inquisitors' eyes are replaced by spikes, so for consistency it might make sense for the same to be true of other organs.
Yes yes, quite a conundrum I would say.  Perhaps they are simply set up in a pattern in the chest, but who knows for sure.  I have a feeling we will find out in the third book.

PS - Did anyone notice that MB1 = a lot of talking about Allomancy, MB2 = A lot of in depth about Feruchemy.  I think I see a pattern.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #358 on: July 14, 2008, 10:11:32 PM »
perhaps the eight in the chest follow the pattern of a ribcage, with the one in the back running vertically like a spine?

also on an unrelated note, has anyone considered that there are Steel spikes in an Inquisitors eyes, and Steel allows them to 'see' allomantically. Also Vin's earring allows her to 'hear' the pulses of the well.
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Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« Reply #359 on: July 15, 2008, 12:12:44 AM »
perhaps the eight in the chest follow the pattern of a ribcage, with the one in the back running vertically like a spine?

also on an unrelated note, has anyone considered that there are Steel spikes in an Inquisitors eyes, and Steel allows them to 'see' allomantically. Also Vin's earring allows her to 'hear' the pulses of the well.
Yes yes, that has been talked about before.  BUT  the thing being. . . . Inquisitors have the same ability to 'hear' the pulses, BUT they don't have earrings.

I believe that they well thing is something that is unrelated to Hemalurgy.
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