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A Warning Concerning Swords
« on: February 22, 2007, 04:50:40 PM »
I just read this story over at cnn about a man who lives with his mother in an apartment.  He heard sounds of rape coming from the upstairs apartment, so he grabbed his trusty cavalry sword and rushed upstairs to defend the damsel.  He kicked in the door and confronted the foul perpetrator.  Only problem?  The guy upstairs had only been watching a porn movie.  Granted, it probably was a little loud, but still . . . not quite enough cause for getting attacked in his own home.

I read this, and I thought about all of you whom EUOL had provided with swords, and I figured I'd better make sure you were all very careful.  Very.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/porn.sword.ap/index.html


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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2007, 06:09:20 PM »
I read this, it was very sad, the man lost his family heirloom (sword) because of this.
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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2007, 06:24:32 PM »
he could get it back still, as long as it wasn't sharp it's not illegal to have one (any blade longer then about a foot in the US that's sharp you need to licenses it like you do a gun) so it depends on what charges are filed.
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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2007, 09:10:00 PM »
Hopefully it all works out. I know that in an apartment complex the walls are usually pretty thin, and if there is central heating or air in the apartments the duct work carries sound very well. It may seem odd to those of us who have houses vs. apartments, but if there really had been something going on the man would be hailed a hero. As it is, he will probably be ridiculed by his friends and the media, and others who think that mayhaps he should have called 9-1-1 first. In the heat of the moment, thinking a woman was being harmed, he took action.

Granted, probably foolish action, who knows what he COULD have been walking into, but he DID something. I am not sure I think he should be severely punished for this. No, I don't think that he should be allowed off scot free, but there must be a middle ground where his intention to save someone from harm comes into play. He should have to replace the door,the lock, and publicly apologize, but we have to consider if we severely punish this man for trying to help someone how many other people will ever bother. Right or wrong, people should hold onto the spirit that other people's safety is at least as important as their own, and if you hear a woman screaming for help, or anyone for that matter, perhaps you should knock on the door to make sure she is alright, or that you can help if she will allow it.

This is a hazy middle ground for me, but the side I come up on more often than not, is the side that says replace what you broke, apologize for the misunderstanding, and move on. I think pressing criminal charges is a little harsh.

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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2007, 09:32:56 PM »
I don't really think criminal charges are harsh. You have to do it, in my opinion. Same thing with the police at the Trolley Square shooting we had in Utah recently, the police went on trial.

You have to do that, for whatever reason, let's say it turned out the shooter had surrendered and the cop shot him anyway. You do things like that to make sure people can't feel they can get away with a crime by making it look like the other person was the bad guy.  You always must have an investigation, keeps people honest.

But, make sure it isn't harsh, for the reasons stated above.

The only reason I think this is in the media like it is, is because of the sword. The word chivalrous, and heroic were words to describe his actions. It is different and I think that is why it is in the news.
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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2007, 10:19:59 PM »
If the neighbor was playing something with a woman screaming for help (which might be hard to prove) then isn't that a bit like yelling "Fire" in a theater?   If you're in a swimming pool and scream "I'm drowning" and someone jumps in and pulls you out of the pool then you can't blame them if they jump in and haul you out.

I'd say the man with the DVD should be prosecuted for causing a false alarm.
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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2007, 10:32:25 PM »
So, according to you, we can never watch anything where anyone mentions they're in danger or calls for help? Or is this limited exclusively to rape scenes?

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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2007, 01:33:34 AM »
I agree with Dawn.  I think people these days shove everything off onto government, and no one is willing to try to come to the aide of other people themselves any more.
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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2007, 05:52:25 AM »
I am not sure the point was you can't watch anything like that anymore, but if you do, be respectful of your neighbors and watch it at a level that isn't going to cause undue alarm, especially if you live in an apartment building with thin walls.

I understand that people like different things, and when I lived in an apartment I had to listen to music I didn't like, fights I would rather have not heard, and things that perhaps the neighbors could have been a bit quieter about personally, but I never complained because the one time that I did need help, my neighbors were only a shout away. If this man is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for a misunderstanding, in which he thought there was someone in danger, the days when people will come to the aid of others could be fast coming to an end. I think THAT would be tragic.

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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2007, 05:23:04 PM »
But isn't there a clear middle road? I mean, why does one side or the other have to be a villain?

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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2007, 05:32:27 PM »
In this case I don't think either one is a villain, or a bad person. I don't think I ever said that, and if I did, I apologize. But, apartment living is very, very different than living in your own house. The neighbors can hear most everything, even at a normal level, especially if there is central heating or air the ducts are awful for that kind of thing, but if it is louder than normal they can hear it even better.

 I just think that if you are living in an apartment situation you should be considerate of your neighbors, no matter what you like to listen to, watch, or do on your own time. I kind of approached it as I would staying at my parent's house. If I listen to music I keep it at a level that won't disturb them during the day, and a level they can't hear at night, I keep my loving quieter, and if I had the desire to watch something like that, I would keep the volume at a normal level. I would think it is a classic case of the Golden Rule, and I don't think that the fella with the sword, or the fella who got his door kicked in, should be facing any criminal charges.

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Re: A Warning Concerning Swords
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2007, 09:03:08 PM »
This reminds me of when I lived south of BYU campus. One night we heard horrible screaming coming from outside, so my husband ran out of our apartment to make sure someone wasn't being hurt. Down a half a block were some people that had taken their speakers, put them pointing out their window (really big speakers), and were playing some movie or something that had screaming. I think they were having a party. Talk about not being very considerate of your neighbors. Needless to say, the cops were called on them.