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[Entsuropi]

DC is a pit of vipers and petty yapping dogs.

[The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers]

And Entropy is a freak. What's your point?

[The Lost One]

e wrote:

I want to take issue with this. Inner city may not be a very good place, but the greater metropolitan area is VERY family friendly. AND there are many more family activities and locations in the area than I ever found in the whole of Utah.

You probably did look hard enough in Utah. Also, I'll admit that there are lots of things to do in DC and there are also lots of drug deals, shady neighborhoods, shootings, gangs, failing schools, ect... These are just a few of the several reasons why my wife doesn't want to raise a family in the DC area, even though she grew up there.

Utah and Idaho are more family-friendly because there are fewer problems for families raising kids, not because there are more family activities and locatons in the area.

[The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers]

Or perhaps I *did* look hard enough and Utah is just pretty damn boring (I kinda go with that one, because that's been my research).

All that crap is downtown. It's not particularly prevalent in the suburbs. Neither I, nor my family, nor anyone I can immediately think of have ever had any crime or violence problems in teh burbs here that wouldn't have happened just as frequently in Utah. In fact, it was in Utah that my checkbook was stolen.

The Schools are better in my county than just about anywhere in Utah. My kids have good friends, they do healthy things, and the most annoying thing to happen in my neighborhood is the neighbor who drives the noisy car to work in the morning. Seriously, there may be marginally more crime in my immediate area than in Utah county, but it's not significant nor does it counteract the gigantic gain in access to opportunities that you have here.

[Fellfrosch]

Utah is idyllic, and I don't want to hear any more of your apostate crap.

[fuzzyoctopus]

Hey, Utah Valley is overcrowded enough as it is. You should be glad that someone with a family is taking a small percentage of the population elsewhere

[The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers]

oh, Utah's just fine. I get really tired, however, of Mormons who live in Utah telling me my region of origin is a horrible place
To be honest, I can identify the locations of more adult clubs and sex shops in Utah than I can in the entire DC region
edit: that is, they're all in SLC and Provo. Utah is a vast place, so in geographical terms, I can see how that might not appear a fair comparison, but I think that makes the geography about equal, and the population around here is, I believe, greater than the entire state of Utah.

[The Lost One]

e wrote:

All that crap is downtown. It's not particularly prevalent in the suburbs. Neither I, nor my family, nor anyone I can immediately think of have ever had any crime or violence problems in teh burbs here that wouldn't have happened just as frequently in Utah.

My wife can tell about lots of crime that happen in the burbs while she was in high school. Yes, there are some nice pockets in the DC area (and you pay a lot to live in those pockets), but there are a lot of bad places i nthe DC area. Stats show that DC has a lot more crime in one week than the whole state of Utah has in a year.

e, I'm glad you found a nice little spot in the DC area. I hear many good things about Fairfax county and I don't mean to say that your region is horrible. I've been there enough time to know that it's not and would rather live their then a lot of other places. But get outside your county (particularly if you go over to the Maryland side of DC) and maybe you'll understand mine (and my wife's) concerns.

[The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers]

Live where you want. My problem is you calling it "not family friendly." The business are less likely to rip you off, the sex industry is more hidden, and the hypocrisy rate lower. It is *easier* for me to live, and teach my children to live my religion here than it was in the supposed home of my religion.

[MsFish]

e wrote:
and there are also lots of drug deals, shady neighborhoods, shootings, gangs, failing schools, ect... These are just a few of the several reasons why my wife doesn't want to raise a family in the DC area, even though she grew up there.

Oh please.  These things happen LOTS of places.  It's not a reason not to live in a city just because it has some bad neighborhoods.  

[Spriggan]

DC has the worst crime rate in the US.

[Shrain]

DC has the worst crime rate in the US.

My mom let this little fact drop into conversation more than once when my bro and I decided to stop there for a few days on our way to Boston. *sigh* Anyway, I think I'd have a tough time deciding where to raise my kids, assuming I'd have a choice depending on where I and my future spouse could find work.

[MsFish]

I don't think I'll have a hard time deciding where to raise my kids.  Wherever I am will be preferable.