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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2003, 08:01:29 PM »
That is my object. I don't think I'm satisfying EUOL or Fell with my nomenclature, however.

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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2003, 08:06:20 PM »
Nomenclature?! I hate nomenclature! Chemistry has taught me to hate it and its nomenclature! Damnation!
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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2003, 08:09:24 PM »
feh. "Nomenclature" merely refers to a system of naming. I would hardly subject you to something so painful as Chemistry. As you can see, this nomenclature, however much you disagree with it, is pretty benign.

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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2003, 08:11:28 PM »
Oh, well sure. Whatever. I just wanted to contribute to this conversation. I have no real value here.
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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2003, 08:18:22 PM »
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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2003, 10:12:58 PM »
I like SE's definitions.  I just wish that whoever had come up with the classification for what we call "High Fantasy" had decided NOT to use the word fantasy in the term.  That's what is really confusing, in my opinion.  Fantasy is too large a blanket term.  

My question is, have any of you read or seen arguments made by scholars in the field relating to this?  I was kind of wondering if, rather than terms we invent, there is a discourse that includes definitions for these elements.
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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2003, 11:29:59 PM »
Most of what I have read on it is written by Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. They don't really use terminology. they mostly talk about th eimpact of "fairy stories" and their implication.

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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2003, 12:17:37 AM »
And the Term Epic Fantasy is used as often if not more often to describe their work anyway.
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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2003, 01:10:52 AM »
Edit: Augh! I hate the whole quote problem.

Like I said, I read quite a few articles by scholars in the field for my fantasy class. I don't have time tonight to sum up; will do that tomorrow. Here are the references:

This one's considered a standard in the field, at least as far as children's fantasy goes:
Sheila Egoff, "The Matter of Fantasy" from Worlds Within: Children's Fantasy from the Middle Ages to Today (1988)

Here are some others:
C. W. Sullivan III, "Fantasy" from Stories and Society: Children's Literature in its Social Context (1992)

Diana Waggoner, "Theory of Fantasy" from The Hills of Faraway: A Guide to Fantasy (1978)

Susan Cooper, "Escaping into Ourselves" from Celebrating Children's Books (edited by Betsy Hearne and Marilyn Kaye) (1981)

Elliot Gose, "Introduction" from Mere Creatures: A Study of Modern Fantasy Tales for Children (1988)

Jean Murray Walker, "High Fantasy, Rites of Passage, and Cultural Value." In Teaching Children's Literature: Issues, Pedagogy, Resources (1992)
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Re: Fantasy vs Fantasy
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2003, 10:50:54 AM »
There are some articles in my book for the class I took with Doc and Sally. I lent that book out to a friend whom I won't see until Christmas though....