Stirring...

[Entsuropi]

http://homes.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html

JP's not the only one who can find that kind of declaration stirring. Though it ignores the fact that we are all governed outside the net by these heineous organisations, so its all just a pie in the sky

[The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers]

does that guy realize that DeToqueville didn't really have a "dream" and spent as much of his book making fun of the results of American liberties as he did praising us?

Also, does he seriously think there aren't geeks who work for governments who know just as much, if not much much more about technology and the Internet and it's nuances as he does?

[House of Mustard]

Yeah...  DeToqueville was pretty sure that America would fail.  Maybe he wrote something else dreamish, though, that I haven't read.

[JP Dogberry]

I disagree with what that guy wrote. Context, Identity and so forth DO have a place here.

Now, the Hacker's Manifesto - that I read everday, to affirm who I am.

[Entsuropi]

Well, actually, it ties in with the comment on the 'intro to the internet' page, where it says that personal achievement in real life has no bearing on how people will act towards you on the net - all net denizens will see, and care about, is your achievements and abilities within the net. Speak like a moron but claim to be a doctor and see how far it gets you.

[JP Dogberry]

Yes, of course. But that's still identity. For example, I am respected in the TWG community for decent posting and writing reviews and so forth.  It's the same thing based on different Ideals and acvhievements, and one that is a whole lot more honest and deep.

[Entsuropi]

...since when are you respected?

Uh, I mean, yeah! Respected, deep comments etc etc.