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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: January 11, 2007, 08:29:24 PM »
I agree with Matt (DreamKing) about the Show versus Tell issue with Vivenna and perhaps that is why I was left wanting a bit with chpt 41.   Even if we are told part of it her reason to go into that alley and for it to be abandoned so appropriately... well it's too convenient. It is one she haunts and Vasher has figured it out and it is obvious that Denth knows and is smart enough to have hired muscle to get her captured seeing we are not seeing Tonk Fah or Denth there to be potentially killed.  Too many people are onto her and Vivenna unwitting yet again. (She is beginning to annoy m at this point.) She is smarter than that and there are only so many times you can be played a fool before becoming wary of traps such as this.

A glance down the empty alley should have tipped her off no matter how tired and hungry she was not  to mention despite small things like comfort that she is seeking a distraction of some sort would be welcome.  To keep her from noticing, a smell of something enticing or not.

I don't know... perhaps a different POV would be more interesting for the chapter.  Vasher's would be my choice.  I'd love to get into his head and get a peak of WHY he is doing this, because he is still such an enigma and I tire of Vivenna.  Then follow it up with Vivenna reacting to what has happened and she and Vasher hashing things out from her POV.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: January 10, 2007, 03:16:42 PM »
Just read Chpt 41...

Kidnapped 3 times or is that 4?!   That is about as broken as it gets and I thought she'd hit rock bottom before.  Good grief, the poor woman!  One has to ask was Vasher her savior or a captor again?  I cannot decide.  I want him to be a force of good for some reason.


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Inquisitor, CSI Style (eek!)
« on: January 08, 2007, 03:02:34 AM »
Yes, I have always seen them as being quite gruesome to behold.    Though I imagine the Steel Inquisitors have been wiped clean of blood.  Though, clean or not I don't think I would want to face them down unless I were a full Mistborn and not a Misting and even then. *shudders* I cannot imagine even with the magic it takes to create them that it would be without blood. *shudders again*  A twisted form of Feruchemistry?  I know Brandon is not going to agree lest he give away their origins.  But they are long enough to  pin the guy to the tree makes you wonder how they survive the process.


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: January 07, 2007, 03:28:29 PM »
As for Peprin as lifeless... he was a good tracker/hunter which eludes to the fact that he could be stealthy when he needed to be.  Those skills could be used or exploited if need be. Or he could even be used as a diversion.  Socially, he was a misfit but he could still serve a purpose, lifeless aren't exactly social so this does not matter.  You don't have to be a hulk like Clod to be useful. Colors, they could even sell him into the lifeless armies.   Not that I find it necessary to do any of this but it does present other options which is all I was really suggesting.  But seeing it seems to be an expensive possibility it makes it all that much more unlikely.  Though the cost of  war can be costly it doesn't rule this out completely as a possibility.  But with only approximately 10 more chapters til the end well time is not going to probably allow for such. 

Denth may not want to possess the breaths but that does not mean he does not want to exploit the opportunity to get her to use them to his advantage.  He has been trying to get her to use the abilities of an awakener throughout the book saying that it would be good for their group to have a strong awakener.  He has been manipulating her all the while.  The attack in the slums was too well orchestrated for them to not have had insider information.  Again it eludes to Denth or someone of the Mercs reporting to the guard or even possibly Blushweaver, so that Vivenna would be scared witless and be forced to try and use what she has.  She fails and is now slowly accepting the fact that she will have to just to survive. 

I am not positive of Blushweaver's part with being Denth's employer but it does make alot of other things make sense when we mover her into that position.  Granted with that being said I am probably completely wrong and Brandon will smack us with one of his plot twists that we could not possibly have seen coming.

I like the fact that everything is not perfect in her escape.  We have already discussed that something needs to happen with her hearing the codes a few pages back.

I wouldn't doubt that the person sent to follow Vasher could have been without breath by choice or not but I have a sneaking suspicion that we will find Blushweaver at the heart of this as well.  It was the perfect way to insure Mercystar's cooperation in giving her the lifeless codes especailly after Light song gets involved.  And is probably why she is so exaperated with Lightsong's continued obsession with the tunnels and the problem.   He might find her out.

As for Lightsong's wanting to know who he was I think he is acting on it, instead of thinking about it, so much.  He is using his instincts to try and solve the puzzle he has discovered and his dreams are becoming more vivid and telling, perhaps because of it?

Bluefinger's could not help but be indebted to Siri through her ploy, and it will also give her a more loyalty from him and the women.  She would have help to get Susebron out of the palace. 

Make me wonder of there are tunnels leading to the GodKing's palace.  Seems completely likely.  And makes me ask: Where is Vasher now?


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: January 06, 2007, 01:55:34 AM »
I was just suggesting that they use them as lifeless out of convenience.  Vile as that is I understand fully Vivenna's repulsion to the concept of the lifeless.  Of course, it makes me sick to see a little beastie that has been hit by a car, I couldn't imagine doing it purposefully as Tonk Fah did.  Gah! Bleh!

On to Chapter 40, I have to admit Siri was quite brave in playing her cards the way she did with the High Priest, Tridees.  That was a real chance to take and could still have serious repercussions.


Writing Group / Re: People who love words, to my rescue!
« on: January 05, 2007, 04:33:19 PM »
As the Fey depart Corrine’s dreams, the battle for Hallowmere dawns/builds/intensifies (but intensifies doesn't feel right--feels too heavy in syllables. want something as dark as intensifies, but one syllable)

What about:

As the Fey depart Corrine's dreams, the call to arms for Hallomere mounts/erupts/swells/waxes/.

It is almost as if it needs a little something more but I am not sure what without knowing more of the story.


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: January 05, 2007, 04:11:02 PM »
I think it was a way to show a character trait as well but there is so much more that could be done especially since he kept his dead critters.  I mean it was heinous enough that he tortured them, but there is potential.  Plus, he has had to keep his hands to himself with Vivenna thus far if they re-capture her imagine what he could do or try to do. And now Peprin is dead and still in their hands.  I wonder how expensive or easy it is to get someone to create a lifeless?

Something that's been playing at my mind for a bit is why does he automatically assume she ran away?  He knew that Vasher was watching her, and the best way for your enemy's plans to go down the drain (or at least have a major set-back) is to take away their best weapon.  What does he have going on that he thinks would make her run away?

In that scene Denth is jumping to conclusions not only about her running away but about her hearing the command codes.  In one he is right and one part wrong.  But If my unwitting hostage departed with no evidence or by your leave about it.  I think I'd be in a small panic and not thinking clearly.  Making those leaps whether right or wrong are well within human emotion and don't necessarily have to have clear thinking behind them. 


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: January 05, 2007, 12:14:56 AM »
Good Point, Matt.  You said it much better -- clearer than I and made the point sharper.  But this is still much supposition saying that Denth is in Blushweaver's pay.  Which brings up an even bigger question of HOW did Denth know that Vivenna was in Hallendren?  I think I need to reread part 1 again.

Why do I have this itching desire for things to blow up in Blushweaver's face. If in fact she is the one orchestrating things.


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: January 04, 2007, 03:57:16 PM »
Well after seeing Vasher use the lifeless squirrel it makes me wonder if there is not intent with all of Tonk Fah's deceased pets to have eventually played a similar role for Denth had he been able to control Vivenna and her breath.  What a better place to place the breath in the first place in an unwitting hostage.  He played to her emotions and political/religious stance.  It almost seems as if he might have been behind the initial attack in the slums.  He tells his employer or just rats her out to the Hallendren Guard, so he can show her she cannot afford to not use her breath, because she has effectively held the breath hostage on him.  To me it seems he was trying to inspire her. Then he could manipulate her into using her breath to get done what he wants to happen. 

If in fact we suppose Denth's employer is Blushweaver.   She is trying to gather the lifeless codes why would she allow/order Denth to work against her own armies?  Unless like everything else Denth has done that was all part of the rouse. But we also have to remember that the lifeless need less to sustain them than a normal person so her thus her need for the lifeless codes. 

(I know asked and answered, but does anyone have thoughts on this?)

Allmother won't give Blushweaver the codes and Lightsong has made a vague alliance with Blushweaver but does not hand over his codes nor lay with her.  Lightsong is manipulating her even as she tried to move him.  There is more going on here. 

And where was Vasher going when he stole his way in to the tunnels in Mercystar's palace? Who killed the servant? Because I seriously don't think it was him.


I am not sure that it was something lacking in explanation about Galloden, because he did practice them but when they did not work he gave up.  Raoden never gave up.  He persisted in trying/hoping/puzzling through AonDor.  He did it so much (for a few hours a day) that the Dor had a chance to build up.  Galloden gave up before this could ever happen.  Remember early on that when Raoden stubbed his toe it hurt but then he was able to learn to ignore it.  Soon enough he gets the books in Galloden's place and becomes inspired and trys to do the Aons a flash of light then nothing.  But that insiration kep him hopeful and mindful of the fact that these people were his people and gave him purpose.  Rarely did we hear about his toe when he became semi-obsessed with making the Aons work again.  But that is when his attacks began as the Dor built until he thought it would kill him.


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Favorite Character in Elantris
« on: January 02, 2007, 01:00:03 AM »
"Hunkey Kay" is Sarene's Unkle Kiin.  And I have to say I really connected with Raoden's character best because I like the fact that he tried to be positive despite all of the negativity/pain/adversity and general malaise heaped on the Shoad.  He did not betray the person anyone thought him to be on outside of Elantris even if he did not give his name.  Staying true to form is important.

Sarene and Hrathen are tied but it took me a good bit longer to begin to care for them and in the end I cared for them very much.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: January 02, 2007, 12:49:13 AM »
Well, in the 'hold breaths' command is as good as what she has already done giving the breath to the object with no command, or so it seems to me. Vivenna just doesn't know how to retireve them yet.  So, she can hold onto the shawl/rug and rope until she discovers this and she is the only one that can retrieve them.  That was basically stated in the first chapter with Vasher as he animated the straw figure and cloak, when we first learn of awakening and the use of breath.


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: December 29, 2006, 03:21:29 PM »
Though had Lemks been given time there is a possibility(with no further tampering) he might have recovered but because he gave up his breaths his death was instantaneous.  Had he not given up his breath there is a chance he could have survived.  So, Vivenna thinking that is not so surprising.  I think she is realizing that fact, maybe not that he was poisoned, specifically, but she has to see that Lemks did not only give up his breath but his life as well when he gave them to her. 

That is what I read in the impact of that statement.  She is piecing together the betrayal and is beginning to see how deep it really goes.  That it began long before she ever arrived.  Denth confirms this. They even warned her over and over never trust a mercenary but she trusted that because they were paid that they would do as she bade.  Lemks couldn't make bad choices (in her opinion he was to be trusted) and she deferred to them.  She was desperate for help and took what she could her naivete cost her greatly in depending upon them. 

Now, she's hit is rock bottom, there is no where to go but up, right?

But Raoden was the only one that really practiced using Aon Dor.  My thoughts had been that he practiced so much that he was pulling on the magics of Dor at some level then once he released the Dor by finding the key missing component (the line for the Chasm) it stopped. 

Though, I was surprised that he was able to overcome the Hoed but EUOL also showed us once before that a Hoed's brain still functioned despite the great pain they endured when they were first directed throught the hidden library and to the pool.  The Hoed did not walk there but there was one difference Raoden had released the Dor, perhaps he was able to tap that power? 

Besides, in times of great need people have been known to do spectacular feats of strength or ability despite great adversity or normal lack of needed ability.  A mother protecting her child, etc...  I for one willing to accept it without great explanation for trying to explain that might have sullied the impact of the scene.


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: December 28, 2006, 07:06:46 PM »
The breaths extend life and health so I am thinking it means that Lemks was poisoned, likely very slowly to torture him by Denth and his cronies.  Remember what he said that sounded a bit like lunacy, because he did not realize it was Vivenna speaking to him at their first meeting.
“Can’t fool me,” the old man (Lemks) whispered, eyes still unfocused.  “Your torture is nothing to me.  I won’t give it up.  Not to you.”
He would not give up his breath not to just anyone.  Only, once he realized it was Vivenna there he eventually gave it to her.


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