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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: The Heralds *Spoilers*
« on: September 26, 2010, 05:48:25 AM »
My personal theory is that Shalash is the Herald associated with one of the Soulcasting orders of the Radiants.  More specifically, the Soulcasting order that used the same form as Shallan.  We know that there's something magical about Shallan's drawings, and the way she transfers a Memory, which seems to have some paranormal significance the way she thinks about it, into her art.  There's some kind of magic or power in these Memories and they go into her artwork, and I think it has to be tied to her form of Soulcasting.  Maybe its storing power in the artwork or maybe its fueling certain mystical properties in the artwork...either way, I think the same thing happened with pictures or representations of Shalash or her various incarnations, like this Epani, Lady of Dreams.  (Seems like it could be a fitting title for a Herald who Soulcasts and has possible ties to a magical art form as well).  I think that all these statues or paintings of her were Memories of her that were put into art work by whatever you would call these Soulcasting artisans...and maybe this took some power away from her, or imprisoned some of her power amongst the representations of her, or maybe she had it done to store some of her power, like a safe for Stormlight or whatever fuels her particular power or brand of magic...a way to preserve it over the millennia.  And either way, now that the final Desolation is on its way, she needs this power back, and so is systematically destroying representations of herself and recovering the Memories or pieces of herself or her power that are contained within the artwork.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: Spren and Hoid (spoilers)
« on: September 14, 2010, 07:37:01 PM »
I find the referece to the Midnight Mother to be particularly interesting, as she sounds like a definite specific mythical character...is this a reference to the Nightwatcher perhaps?  I got the sense that the Nightwatcher was no particular ally to Odium, and outside the conflict between he and the Almighty, though there's no real evidence of this, but this Midnight Mother with talk of her birthing monsters seems to be a foe not unlike him.  I'm reminded of the Essence of Midnight creature Dalinar fought in his vision, and if thunderclasts aren't actually voidbringers but monsters that fought alongside them...could they have been birthed by the Midnight Mother rather than be creatures of Odium?

You know, I think most of us have been assuming Bavadin to be a male Shardholder, but we do know that whatever grudge the author of the part 2 epigraphs has is against both him/her and Rayse (Odium)...could Bavadin be this Midnight Mother and a sometime ally of Odium's?

Ah wild, aimless speculation based on one or two throwaway lines.  Good times.

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Well I believe Brandon has specifically said in interviews that not all planets have or ever had two shards. 

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WOK Spoilers: Parshmen
« on: September 12, 2010, 04:27:25 AM »
Well do we know that there haven't been Parshendi in all that time?  I thought it was more that they didn't interact with humanity until recently, but humans did know of them.  As for thunderclasts, my idea was that the whole custom of fighting over gemhearts and harvesting them and the importance attributed to it was a kind of oral tradition passed down over generations so that even if written histories failed or were destroyed or were lost in translation, humans would continue to harvest the gemhearts and interrupt the Voidbringer lifecycle, keeping thunderclasts from gestating.

Another possibility is that the Voidbringer part of the parshmen lifecycle doesn't kick in until Odium starts to influence them again, gearing up for another Desolation.  *Shrugs*  All just speculation of course.

Another thing I saw someone bring up elsewhere that could be a possibility is like you suggested, that Parshendi are a kind of spren...warspren.  It does make a certain kind of sense and if you think about it, on a world where there are spren of just about every type and attracted to just about every aspect of nature and human behavior...where are the warspren?  War is so influential and everpresent on this planet, wouldn't there be an abundance of warspren or spren attracted to battle and violence?  So where are they?  Or are they Parshendi, or connected to the Parshendi in someway.  Like maybe Warspren bond with Parshmen and give them Voidbinding in the same way Honorspren bond with humans and give them Surgebinding....and the Parshendi are just bonded Parshmen and kind of the Parshmen version of Knights Radiant.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WOK Spoilers: Parshmen
« on: September 12, 2010, 03:43:28 AM »
Saw seeds of this idea on another forum, and thinking about it and carrying it one step further....could the Voidbringers really just be one species, and Parshmen, Parshendi, Chasmfiends and Thunderclasts all just different stages of their lifecycle?  Their first stage is mostly similar to humanity in form and perhaps thoughts, in their most human stage they might even be the most peaceful, not that aggressive.  And then when their first stage is over, or they die...they don't actually die, and that's why they're so reverent of their dead...because they're not dead, merely in a kind of comatose or cocoon or pupating stage before they take a more warlike, destructive form and grow armor and become more hostile to humanity, more aggressive.  Then they finish their second life stage, and again they're not dead, just hibernating or in a cocoon like stage...and then they become chasmfiends, more monstrous, more hostile, more aggressive...and then they die, and unless their gemheart is harvested first, a real death they can't recover from, they mutate or evolve even further, perhaps cocooned in the actual rock before they realize their final and most fearsome stage of their lifecycle...as monstrous, red-eyed thunderclasts, beings of hate and destruction and a fully realized, 'Adult' Voidbringer at the prime of their power?

And the custom and significance given to harvesting gemhearts is humanity's way of interrupting a Voidbringer's full gestation cycle and protecting them from Thunderclasts, the true power of Odium's armies in a Desolation...and also why its so important to the Parshendi that the gemhearts be protected from humanity.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Ruin-like Odium?
« on: September 12, 2010, 03:32:53 AM »
Personally, I can't think of a reason that Odium would want people to know he's coming.
I don't think that is what the OP is trying to get at, I believe he means to trick the people into doing something that he wants or will benefit him like how Ruin did.
Yeah, but if he was trying to trick people, he'd be better off doing so in a way that didn't let them know that he was up to shenanigans.
Remember, Dalinar thinks the visions are real.
That's not what I'm saying.

If Odium was trying to mislead people, he should come up with something that doesn't tell them who he is.

Not necessarily.  The best lies are the ones with a grain of truth in them.  Perhaps Odium knows that given the existence of other Shards and outside knowledge sources like Hoid, its impossible to hide his existence for humanity completely, or perhaps he wants humanity to know he's coming, give them something to hate, which likely just helps him in some way.  Put simply, if I'm Odium, the most fearsome and terrible of all the Shards, I'm not all that worried about humans knowing I exist and opposing me, when I've already offed their creator...so why don't I hijack the Almighty's warning system and within the truth about Desolations and my return, tell them what to do to aid in my return to power or eventual victory, knowing they're more likely to believe me the more it looks like I'm telling them the truth?

I don't actually think this would make Odium too powerful or hard to beat either, as we know there's another Shard on Roshar who's better at seeing the future than the Almighty ever was, and has nine more books in which to make an appearance or help show humanity the truth about Odium and how to beat him.

In fact, the only thing that makes me think Odium ISN"T behind the visions, is that its too similar to what Brandon already did with Ruin in Mistborn....unless its a deliberate repetition, something along the lines of that since all the Shards used to be part of the same being or force, perhaps they all think or plot alike on some level and are likely to use similar tactics....and that itself could be a key to opposing them or predicting their next move.

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Brandon Sanderson / Splinters - SPOILERS for TWoK and Elantris
« on: September 12, 2010, 03:24:57 AM »
Okay I think the spoiler warning should be self-explanatory, but yeah.  Leave now if you haven't read both books.

Anyways, we know from the epigraphs that Rayse (who I think most of us are assuming to be Odium) killed Aona and Skai, the Shardholders on Elantris, and then proceeded to Splinter their power so they couldn't be taken up by someone else and used to oppose him.  Now we also know, from Dalinar's visions, that Odium killed the Almighty, who seems to be his prime opponent on Roshar.  Given that Odium doesn't seem content to just kill Shards he views as a threat, but Splinter them so a successor can't inherit them and use them against him either, I think its a definite possibility that Odium Splintered the Almighty's Shard after killing him.  After all, even though its only the first book, there's nothing to indicate yet that the Stormlight Archives will involve any single character seeking or holding the Almighty's Shard to oppose Odium...but we have heard an awful lot about 'Uniting them.'  Now, we don't know WHEN in the timeline Odium killed the Almighty but we do know that while the Almighty wasn't as good at seeing the future as others like Cultivation, he did have some ability to see the future...the closer the events were to him, the clearer he could see them.  So point is...we don't know that he was actually even still around at the time of the events Dalinar saw in his visions.  The betrayal of the Radiants, etc.  Just that he'd seen them, either as a personal witness, or in visions.

So basically, what I’m proposing is…what if Odium killed the Almighty BEFORE the founding of the Ten Orders and the Knights Radiant?  What if, similar to how he treated his possible rivals on Sel, he not only killed the Almighty, but Splintered his Shard to keep anyone else from raising it up against him?  Could the Ten Heralds and the Ten Orders hold or tap into the Ten Splinters of his power?  Think about it, Odium means hatred and disgust, essentially the worst emotions sentient beings are capable of.  Not all the Shards are supposedly paired as polar opposites, but some like Ruin and Preservation are, and unless Adonalsium was a less than great guy or force himself, and leaned towards the negative (something I find hard to believe considering Hoid, a seemingly good guy, seems to have some desire to see Adonalsium reconstituted) - then that means Odium has to have an opposite number to balance the scales, and represent all the good and best emotions and traits sentient beings are capable of.  Now I realize this is a lot of conjecture, but this is all speculation anyways, but if Odium does have an opposite number representing the best of sentient beings, the Almighty is are best bet for being that Shard, given his power, opposition to Odium, and the fact that both of them seemed to make Roshar their home.

And what are the Ten Orders of the Knights Radiant?  Well we don’t know all of them, but we do know they’re dedicated to the protection of humanity and represent positive ideals.  At least one of them, the Windrunners, is dedicated to the pursuit of Honor.  Another of them, the Soulcasters, seems to have some relation to Truth given the emphasis Truth is given in the book from Szeth the Truthless to the unknown (Truthspren?) requiring a Truth from Shallan…perhaps Soulcasting requires a personal Truth be exchanged each time one changes the True nature of another object?  If Honor and Truth or Honesty are two of the Ten Orders….might the Ten Orders each hold or be powered by one of the most positive traits beings are capable of?  And thus make up Ten Splinters of a Shard that embodies all the best traits in creation?  The Dawnshards the Almighty speaks of could be the actual Splinters, or the Splinters could be the Dawnblades of the Ten Heralds, as we know they’re different from actual Shardblades.  Regardless, if any of my theory is true, its most likely that the Ten Heralds or that which powers them is the individual Splinters which they then in turn pass down to the individual Order of Radiants that they correspond to. 

Unite them then….unite the high princes perhaps, or unite humanity, or unite humanity and the parshendi…or unite the Ten Orders, the Ten Splinters and recreate the power of the Almighty’s Shard as close as possible?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Erunion's Grand Theory of Roshar {WOK- Big Spoilers}
« on: September 12, 2010, 03:04:36 AM »
Personally I'm of the opinion that the Nightwatcher is Cultivation.  The Nightwatcher is indicated to be female, as is Cultivation, and the Almighty says Cultivation is better at seeing the future, and the interludes seem to indicate that the Nightwatcher has knowledge of the future, or is capable of granting such visions as a blessing or a curse.

Furthermore, the Almighty seems tied to the magic of the Heralds, the Radiants and the Shards, as well as Stormlight.  Odium seems to be his opposite number here, though not necessarily a polar opposite like with Ruin and Preservation, but as he's obviously the force behind the Voidbringers, Voidbinding would seem to be his magic.  The Nightwatcher gifts people with the Old Magic, which is clearly separate from either of those, and indicates by its name that it predates the coming of the Almight's more 'scientific' magics and whatever Odium influences.  Thus, this would seem to indicate to me that the Old Magic either predates the coming of shards altogether and is not shard powered, or else its the creation of a different shard, the odd one out in this case, Cultivation.  We don't know enough to say at this point whether the cosmere has any non Shard originating magic, so there is a strong possibility I think that the Nightwatcher is either Cultivation or powered by Cultivation.  My personal belief is that Cultivation originally 'cultivated' life on this world long before the coming of the Almighty and Odium, but it was nonhuman life, as the Almighty created humanity, perhaps in these Tranquiline Halls or on another planet, and then they were cast out by the Voidbringers and then possibly supplanted what Cultivation had made....or bonded with what Cultivation had already made to form a kind of symbitioic relationship which benefited both lifeforms.

So my personal theory is that the spren are the creations of Cultivation, predating humanity and the Old Magic is  what remains of a time before humanity.

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