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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Dalinar's gift and curse (lolSpoilers)
« on: September 22, 2010, 06:48:41 AM »
Do we know when he sought the Old Magic or when his wife died?  I'm sure the latter happened first, but is there any mention about whether these things happened before or after Gavilar's death.   Not that I think it actually matters, I'm just curious.  All I can find is "many years" ago.

One thing, I don't think the curse and the boon could be the same thing.  I think they are always separate.  This is pretty much our best source of information on the Old Magic so far:
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“Doesn’t work that way,” Av said. “It’s not a game, no matter how the stories try to put it. The Nightwatcher doesn’t trick you or twist your words. You ask a boon. She gives what she feels you deserve, then gives you a curse to go along with it. Sometimes related, sometimes not.”

I can't decide if the memory loss is the boon or the curse, but I'm leaning towards curse.  Our other two examples of curses (given by Av, again) are two numb hands and seeing the world upside down.  Our one example of a boon is a bolt of cloth.  Av says that all his family regretted the curse except for his father.  The memory loss seems to fit with the other curses better than the boon.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Truthless
« on: September 21, 2010, 08:44:08 PM »
Szeth talks about how he killed a large number of people in Shinovar, the powerful and their servants. This was before he was made Truthless and the sentence for his slaughter is that he must bear the weight of others sins, hence it made him a Truthless (he mentions this around the time he talks about how the Stone Gods will have his soul when he dies).

Eh, where are you getting all of that from? This little paragraph?:
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Dangerous thoughts. His way of life was all that remained to him. If he questioned Stone Shamanism, would he then question his nature as Truthless? Dangerous, dangerous. Though his murders and sins would damn him, at least his soul would be given to the stones upon his death. He would continue to exist. Punished, in agony, but not exiled to nothingness.
Better to exist in agony than to vanish entirely.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: Spren and Hoid (spoilers)
« on: September 21, 2010, 08:06:14 PM »
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“You used to be vibrant,” Syl said. “So many looked up to you, Kaladin. Your squad of soldiers. The enemies you fought. The other slaves. Even some lighteyes.”
Lunch would come soon. Then he could sleep until their bridgeleader kicked him awake for afternoon duty.
“I used to watch you fight,” Syl said. “I can barely remember it. My memories of then are fuzzy. Like looking at you through a rainstorm.”

She was actually watching him even before he rejected the shards.

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I do think it's interesting though, because it proves that some of these are prophetic, and also that they aren't completely impossible to interpret. 
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31.“All is withdrawn for me. I stand against the one who saved my life. I protect the one who killed my promises. I raise my hand. The storm responds.”—Tanatanev 1173, 18 seconds pre-death. A darkeyed mother of four in her sixty-second year.
There's been a lot of life-saving going on in general, but slight less promise-killing. Someone mentioned that there is a quote on the back of the hard cover that one of the 4 main viewpoint characters so far(Shallan, Szeth, Kalidan, and Dalinar), "will destroy us". 

Since this is "Kalidan's book" I wouldn't be surprised if more than a few of these epigraphs were about him directly, besides the obvious one.  23 and 14 could be interpreted as such as well.  I'm wondering if the "heart" in 26 could be a gemheart, and the "pit" a chasm on the shattered plains, the only other pits we have are the duelling pits anyway, no idea on the 2 dead men.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Truthless
« on: September 21, 2010, 07:18:44 PM »
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Had the Parshendi known what they were consigning him to by tossing his Oathstone away as they fled Kholinar that night? Szeth had been required to recover it, then stand there beside the road, wondering if he would be discovered and executed—hoping he’d be discovered and executed—until a passing merchant had cared enough to inquire. By then, Szeth had stood only in a loincloth. His honor had forced him to discard the white clothing, as it would have made him easier to recognize. He had to preserve himself so that he could suffer.

Either there's some bond between him and the Oathstone that allows him to find it whenever it's unclaimed, or he was leaving with them, saw them toss it, left them to pick it up, and just stood there.  I'm thinking there's some sort of bond, presumably with more effects than just him being able to find it.

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I was randomly flipping through pages when this one stood out to me.

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21.“Above the final void I hang, friends behind, friends before. The feast I must drink clings to their faces, and the words I must speak spark in my mind. The old oaths will be spoken anew.”—Dated Betabanan, 1173, 45 seconds pre-death. Subject: a lighteyed child of five years. Diction improved remarkably when giving sample.
This one seems to be about Kaladin; he jumps the chasm of the Tower with Bridge 4 behind him, Dalinar's army in front.He takes the stormlight from the Parshendis' beards, and then he says the Second Ideal.

I've mentioned that 5 or so times already.  It's pretty obvious.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: The Heralds *Spoilers*
« on: September 21, 2010, 07:07:52 PM »
that doesnt explain the parshendi, but it is a really good idea, and i have been hoping that all of the heralds are still around, i was actually hoping that the interlude characters were the heralds, or some of them were.

The parshendi are just those parshman that have already been activiated into 'voidbringer' mode. Taln may have given up years ago, but it may have taken years for him to finally manifest on Roshar. I have a theory on another post which pretty much says that the strange things that people are saying when they're about to die are related to Taln's soul trying to get back on Roshar. Notice how alot of the quotes somehow focus on Taln or the heralds. Since these events started happening the same time the parshendi appeared, this might be when Taln finally broke under the torture and tried to escape/return to Roshar.

Parshendi don't seem quite as simple as "parshmen activated into voidbringer' mode", they seem to have too much society and culture, and if their only goal was the destruction of the other races, they aren't going about it in a very effective way.  Really, only one quote seems to focus on Taln, one on the Heralds, and 1 that looks like it might on Heralds or Radiants (you went with Heralds).  I suppose you could credit a few vague ones with them, but it's far from definite. 

Did the Parshendi not start growing armor until after they started battling on the Shattered Plains?  I don't see it mentioned in the books Shallan was reading or by Dalinar when Jasnah asked him to retell the story of their first encounter with the Parshendi, even though they mention their high quality weaponry in both places.

I wonder if Thresh traded Szeth directly to the Parshendi, or if there were more trades between.  How exactly did Szeth know that the end of the world was coming soon back in the Prologue?  These last two things might be unrelated.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Favourite Minor Character
« on: September 21, 2010, 12:07:39 AM »
Seems to me like a lot of Kaladin's bridge crew has a few mysteries in their past, Teft with his Knight Radiant worship, Moash with his vengeance, maybe even Rock with his bow mastery.

Axies was a fun interlude character.  I'd say he was my favorite minor character so far, but Renardin seems like he could end up being interesting.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WOK: Navani's Notebook Translation *MAJOR SPOILERS*
« on: September 20, 2010, 11:52:44 PM »
Very impressive, wish I had a physical copy of the book to look at these pages, the computer version is a bit tiny.

Is it just me, or does this manner of writing seem a bit impractical? I mean, every line you make has to be duplicated across because of the top/bottom symmetry.  You could actually write twice as fast if you just wrote the top, and since the bottom is just its mirror image, you don't actually need to draw/write it.

One thing I'm a bit confused about throughout this book, in order to recharge gems, is there some technique besides leaving it out in a highstorm?  Like just transfering it from one stone to another using some sort of fabrial? 
There was this bit near the end where they mentioned repairing Dalinar's shardplate on the way back from the Tower:
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For now, he wore Adolin’s. They had collected all of the infused gemstones among his twenty-six hundred men and used that Stormlight to recharge and reinforce his armor. It was still scarred with cracks. Healing as much damage as it had sustained would take days, but the Plate was in fighting shape again, if it came to that.
Did they just hold up all the gems a few at a time in the place that the gems fit into the shardplate?  How do the moneychangers do it if there's on highstorm?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: Shalan - near end of book **SPOILERS**
« on: September 20, 2010, 11:05:31 PM »
I'm standing by the soulcaster cut by shardblade theory, because I don't know how else a metal object could have gotten "sheared" in multiple places.  Short of a very sharp, very hard conventional blade, moving very fast.  And when there's a shardblade at the scene already, I'll go with it as the most likely tool.  There was no mention of the condition of the coat, just the soulcaster was found in the coat's inside pocket.  The coat could have been in tatters for all we know, as long as the original location of the soulcaster could be determined to be the inside pocket.
It would not explain the man in a pool of blood. While the second-shardblade-strike theory has a ring to it, it still would not work since dead people don't bleed.

Also, dead people still bleed, especially freshly dead, because the blood hasn't congealed and gravity affects blood like any other liquid.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: Shalan - near end of book **SPOILERS**
« on: September 20, 2010, 08:07:00 AM »
There's a small amount of time between letting go of a shardblade and it dematerializing, but it's long enough to cut through something as it's falling.
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He cursed, yanking Gallant in a tight turn, but the tail came too quickly. It slammed into Gallant, and in a heartbeat Dalinar found himself rolling, Oathbringer tumbling from his fingers and slicing a gash in the stone ground before puffing to mist.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: Kaladin and Syl *Spoilers*
« on: September 20, 2010, 02:00:30 AM »
I wonder if further Ideals after the 2nd allow the use of shardblade and shardplate.  There's 5, for each order, and the 1st is the same for all of them.  Kaladin leveled up after saying the 2nd.

Did anyone else notice this:
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Holding his breath, he clung to the Stormlight. He could still feel it leaking out. Stormlight could be held for only a short time, a few minutes at most. It leaked away, the human body too porous a container. He had heard that the Voidbringers could hold it in perfectly. But, then, did they even exist? His punishment declared that they didn’t. His honor demanded that they did.
- Szeth, prologue
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Kaladin relaxed. He was still steaming light, and—save for the call to Lopen—he’d been holding his breath for a good quarter hour. That could be handy, he thought, though his lungs were starting to burn, so he started to breathe normally. The Light didn’t leave him altogether, though it escaped faster.
- Kaladin, when he's climbing up with the rocks

Szeth said it could only be held for a few minutes, then Kaladin holds it (and his breath) for 15 minutes?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: The Heralds *Minor Spoilers*
« on: September 20, 2010, 02:00:23 AM »
So, no one has any ideas about the missing statue of Shalash in the prologue?

All I can think of is that maybe Shalash is female, and her statue doesn't fit modern standards in some way (not wearing the glove, etc.). But that's just me grasping at straws.

The whole thing with the statue of Shalash bothered me too, but we never got any hints about it.  Another thing I was bothered by that we get no explanation on:
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Tiny, near-invisible spren were floating out of the beast’s body, vanishing into the air. They looked like the tongues of smoke that might come off a candle after being snuff ed. Nobody knew what kind of spren they were; you only saw them around the freshly killed bodies of greatshells.

I posted this in another thread, but figured it bore repeating since it was mentioned in this one.  Seems from this interview, that Taln will a POV character:  http://yetistomper.blogspot.com/2010/09/brandon-sanderson-interview-stompingmad.html

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: King Tavarangian (WOK Spoilers!!!)
« on: September 19, 2010, 03:59:30 PM »
Now here's my question, is Tavarangian allied with the ghostbloods?  Or a separate organization all on his own?

I was under the impression that Tavarangian was the leader of the Ghostbloods, but I may have misunderstood the section.

If he is part of the ghostbloods, then him and Kabsal would have to be from different factions with different goals.  There wouldn't be any reason for an assassin with poisoned bread when your cooking staff makes all of Jasnah's meals.  Kabsal hides himself when he and Shallan are in the garden and they see Taravangian and Brother Ixil.  The question is, did Kabsal fear being recognized, or just the questions that would come from him not being recognized?

So far, Tavarangian's goals have consisted of, finding out more of what may happen by collecting and studying death quotes, and creating a strong and stable society.
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“Stability. Those you killed were among the most powerful and influential men in Roshar.”
“How does that help stability?”
“Sometimes,” Taravangian said, “you must tear down a structure to build a new one with stronger walls.” He turned around, looking out over the ocean. “And we are going to need strong walls in the coming years. Very, very strong walls.”

All we know of the ghostbloods is that they were financing Shallan's father to become a high prince by way of the Soulcaster, and they had some stake in the battle that Kaladin was in where he killed the shardbearer. (possibly, Nan Helaran, it's bit of stretch, but http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLawOfConservationOfDetail )

When Gavilar died:
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The king coughed. “You can tell…Thaidakar…that he’s too late….”
“I don’t know who that is,” Szeth said, standing, his words slurring from his broken jaw. He held his hand to the side, resummoning his Shardblade.
The king frowned. “Then who…? Restares? Sadeas? I never thought…”

Amaram after Kaladin kills the shardbearer:
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“…why Thaidakar would risk this?” Amaram was saying, speaking in a soft voice. “But who else would it be? The Ghostbloods grow more bold. We’ll need to find out who he was. Do we know anything about him?”
“He was Veden, Brightlord,” the stormwarden said. “Nobody I recognize. But I will investigate.”
...skipping stuff...
Amaram shook his head. “You’d have changed your mind. In a day or two, you’d have wanted the wealth and prestige—others would convince you of it. You’d have demanded that I return them to you. It took hours to decide, but Restares is right—this is what must be done. For the good of Alethkar.”

On the other hand, how many organizations have access to Soulcasters?

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I thought he might be dead, since he was prodded and didn't move, and since the sword didn't disappear (but, as well already mentioned, if it's his Herald's blade, it behaves by different rules.), but I was reading some of Sanderson's online interviews just now.

http://yetistomper.blogspot.com/2010/09/brandon-sanderson-interview-stompingmad.html

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At this point I believe you have met every one of the major viewpoint characters for the series. I don’t want it to spiral out of control. I think too many viewpoint characters is a danger to epic fantasy, putting a writer in difficult predicaments for subsequent books--whether to leave some characters out, or whether to show a little bit of each of them without getting any major plot arcs for any of them.

So you’ve seen pretty much everybody. Now, at this point there are several who are major viewpoint characters for the series who we have not had many or any viewpoints from yet--Jasnah is one, a character who shows up in the epilogue is another, and there are a few others--but there are in my mind essentially eight or ten major characters in this series, and it will stick to that.

If Taln was dead, he wouldn't be getting any viewpoint scenes.  And I really don't know why he'd be waving around a normal shardblade instead of his Herald blade.

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