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Reading Excuses / Re: April 25 – Hubay – Lord Domestic Ch 9
« on: May 01, 2011, 06:42:38 AM »
LTU emailed me a critique when the website was down, so here's his thoughts:

Don't worry about the rape scene too much.  If you're opening into a new chapter there are ways around it.  They could discover the rape at the end of the last chapter, and then we skip to the future where they've killed the rapists.  I will admit, flat out, that it will not be as impacting as going about with it.  To be totally honest, either you should take a deep breath and go to that deep dark place you don't want to and write the scene, or you do something else. To be fair, the reason I did demonstrate Chalinae being rapped in my book is because I didn't want to do it either.  So I can sympathize with you there.

"I don't like where this is going."  - It's not a bad line, but it's one of those cliche things you can make sound a bit more clever with some time. "Our own hands."  - This is another one of those lines. In a publication world, you're going to have to do better.

" . . . shove it . . ." - Now the line isn't bad, but it does strike me as anachronistic.  Might just be me though.

Also, the reason a bee dies when it stings you is because the stinger stays in, thus leaving a hole in the body.  The association between ethereal daggers and getting killed after stabbing someone because they're bee dudes doesn't really cross in my head.  The idea is cool (the dagger thing) but it feels like a stretch to do ethereal daggers and death.  They just don't mix.  To me at least.

The actual chapter itself fells like it's going no where, but I know that's not true. Excitement followed by "boring stuff," that's probably more interesting then the "action," is what I think.  I liked it.  The birds and the feathers is pretty cool.

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I don't have a lot to talk about here; I think the chapter flowed pretty well, and I like the addition of magic here. Some of Talvin and Del'Nosa's dialogue is colored so that it sounds like they think of Jin as an object or commodity, rather than a person. Coupled with the voice's little bit at the end of the last chapter, I'm interested to see how their relationship develops now and if Talvin is his father or not. I do think you need to be careful Jin doesn't sound whiney when Talvin talks about him being useless. He might not feel independent enough to get angry about being insulted, but mostly I feel like he's just saying 'not fair.' Depending on how you want his character to feel, I think he should either get angry about it, accept the insults as deserved and then try to improve himself, or maybe play some sort of prank on Talvin to get back at him. Jin still thinks of him as his father, so anything violent would be wrong, but I could see him do something innocent like a cut a hole in his pants or something. Right now he just doesn't seem very active about the situation.

I think by now Jin, being the sharp boy that he is, would have come up with his own name for the voice. It will also help readers to have a name they can refer to, instead of just 'the voice,' until you decide to give us his real name.

I'm excited to see more of your magic in play. I know you've said you struggle with how much information to give us, and I know you don't like exposition. But I think it's safe to say you can be a little more forthcoming by now. Anyways, I look forward to the next piece.

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Books / Re: Peter Orullian's first book
« on: April 27, 2011, 09:05:54 PM »
Is there a link anywhere for that map? You guys made it sound pretty awesome.

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Reading Excuses / April 25 – Hubay – Lord Domestic Ch 9
« on: April 26, 2011, 09:27:51 AM »
Sorry this is so late. Thought I had the opening scene worked out but then it collapsed on me. Anyways, here's the rest of the chapter, with a brief synopsis at the beginning of what the opening scene should have been. Thanks for the feedback in advance. I'm particularly interested to see how you all think Jhuz is coming along as a character.

4-25-11 Hubay, Lord Domestic Ch.9 (L,V,S)

Summary: The Imperial Legion is on the run, caught between the supernal Chell and barbarian Nothroi. Jhuz has just heard some disturbing news about the Capitol from Ezlio, and his maidservant revealed that she often spies on couples using flower petals and commetsi. One of her petals wound up in the wrong place, however and she overhears two men planning on assaulting the female Nothroi prisoner Jainifer.

Ch.9 Jhuz schemes with Zaisha, gets dressed down by Manto, and tries his hand and commanding some of the flyers.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: April 23, 2011, 05:13:43 AM »
I'm stuck on this rape scene – I've never written that sort of bit before, and it makes me feel kind of strange seeing what I've come up with. But the rest of the chapter's done, so if I can't finish it I think I'll send it in and come back to the dark parts later.

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I agree with akoebel, the epigraph was good. I would just reword this to make it stronger: "Bright or not, she was the victim and I was to consume her. " After the comma it just sounds a bit awkward. I think one of things I'm looking forward to most with your story is finding out who/what sin is and maybe meeting him/it.

Actually, I thought the bit with Chalinae worked. Since his mom mentions "bleeding" I assume she's being raped? I think it might make it more powerful if you have Jin wonder what she means by that for a half second, and then think "Oh. Oh no."

Right now two things are bothering me. When Chalinae says that "no one actually steals a flower, they just say they did," it sounds like some sort of coming of age ritual. If that's the case, shouldn't the woman by the flowers have known about the tradition, given him a sort of slap on the wrist, and told him that's not how it works? I feel like part of me not getting this is because we don't know why the flower is so important yet. Understandably, you're keeping us in the dark, but until you do I'm going to keep feeling like the whole ordeal didn't make much sense.

The other thing that's bothering me is Talvin. I get that he's not quite a people person, but they way you're writing him now reads like he's crossed over from just being a stern parent to actually coming close to hating Jin. He seems like a nice guy overall, so I can only assume you've written his frustration a little stronger than you intended, or he's a pretty terrible parent.


At some point soon, I think it would help to show what happens to an escaped slave. Unless I'm mistaken, most of the slaves are men, and a lot of the owners are women? So it's not unlike akoebel's world, just crueler and more intense. Two questions, then, that won't make much sense unless I'm correct: where do babies come from? Really, though –  normally slaves are bred by owners, so do women just pick slaves they want as fathers, and send any boy babies back to be slaves?

second: how is the slavery enforced? Normally you need a ruling populace with force multipliers (read: weapons) that allow them to keep down an unarmed slave majority. So the only way women should be in charge is via some sort of supernatural power, or else through the willing aid of other men. Which brings me back to seeing an escaped slave punished. If it's supernatural, then cool – we see magic. If it's through collaborators, it's also good because then you see the inhumanity of slaves that willingly persecute their own kind. And if it's something else entirely, well, show me that, cuz it's a pretty big part of how your world works.

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Books / Re: What are you reading, part 3
« on: April 21, 2011, 08:49:43 PM »
@writer dan: I've been loving all of pyr's cover art lately, especially when they enlist Jon Sullivan. He's half the reason I picked up Empire in Black and Gold (Elitist's review is the other half).

SPOILERS for those of you who haven't read Erickson yet.

I just finished Midnight Tides. My local library didn't have it, but they did have Bonehunters, so I made the mistake of thinking I could skip the book and get it later – it sort of worked, because Ericksons books aren't all consecutive, but it also kind of spoiled the ending for me. Since Karsa meets some Edur in the end, I already knew who won. The entire book had a sense of inevitability about it, that the edur where destined to win, but I'm not sure if that was intentional or a result of me already knowing the ending.

When Iron Bars showed up my mind was blown, because all that talk of Holds made me think the book was much, much more of prequel than I thought (I figured it was set something like 1000 years or so in the past). Realizing the Crimson Guard was there changed the entire book for me, and gave it more of a sense of immediacy.

When I get a chance I want to grab some Esslemont books now, just because I like the Crimson Guard, but I've got to grab I Don't Want to Kill You first.

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Reading Excuses / Re: April 11 – Hubay – Lord Domestic Ch 8
« on: April 14, 2011, 04:10:46 AM »
Thanks for the feedback! I'm happy you guys enjoyed it so far.

@akoebel: you might have just been confused because I haven't really showcased that kind of power very much; I only really mentioned it once. And if you've already written an annotated version, its always welcome. Otherwise, you don't have to bother going through the whole thing. Thanks though!


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Again, the 'Sin' bit interests me. So far I've been torn as to whether or not the speaker is human. Not knowing how everything works in your world, I thought for a while that if it's in a memoir, a person probably wrote it. Now I'm starting to wonder if it's a darken, or another nocturnal creature that is more intelligent (i don't know how intelligent darken are, yet).

I liked the bit where he tries to mimic the walk of a slave, though I don't know if it needed to be in italics.

I read most of the chapter pretty quickly and easily, so I guess that's good. This whole process seems a little convoluted, especially as a means to get a flower,  but for now I'm going to chalk that up to me not knowing enough about your world. Jin is coming off to me as a Bean (enders game/shadow) minus the savantism. He's clever but physically weak, and his main advantage is that adults don't bother noticing him.

But keep in mind that everyone's complaint with Card's kids is they seem a tad unrealistic, and you might want to watch out for that yourself. The fact that Jin fails here helps minimize that, though, as does all his second guessing. I think the one thing that seems surprising is just how driven this boy is. He worries about being caught a lot, but he never – unless I skipped over it – stops to wonder if this is all worth it, if maybe he should just give up.

Otherwise, I thought the ending was good and I'm looking forward to the next chapter.

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Most of this chapter is well-written and enjoyable. There spot where she says "One day ... one day" bothers me a bit. It sounds like she's repressing a lot of hate, in a way popular fiction tells us will result in her snapping and becoming a psychopath. I don't know if this is foreshadowing or if you just worded it a little harsher than you meant to, but it seemed a little out of character.

I didn't really get her reaction to Omnk. She's seems too startled, considering her conversation with him on the carraige was calm. I feel like she should have just recognized him immediately. I also didn't understand his explanation for why he is. I get that you might want to tease that out a bit yet, but right now the way he talks is a awkward and wordy, while at the same time not really telling me a lot. I think you need to try to use less to say more.

I'm curious as to how your matriarchy maintains its power, and I'm interested to hear more about that part of your word's history. The men as described by Lorn sound like a sort of oppressed minority, but that seems a bit off since the male-female ratio tends to be even; they don't' have the advantage of numbers, so I want to know what else keeps them in charge.

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Reading Excuses / April 11 – Hubay – Lord Domestic Ch 8
« on: April 12, 2011, 02:45:22 AM »
Well, I made it. Shame avoided. This is a wierd chapter for me, because it's one of the "boring bits" and I wasn't really sure what I wanted to happen, so it ended up being almost entirely dialogue.  Anyways, I tried to make up for that by adding some more jokes than normal. Humor is really hard to pull of, though, so let me know where it falls flat and where I'm trying to hard – especially if the innuendo comes off awkward.

Hope me warning you doesn't ruin perfectly good jokes. Anyways:

Hubay- Lord Domestic Ch.8 – 2500 words (L, V, S)
Summary:
Hiding out in the wilderness, the Legion is caught between the barbarian Nothroi and the supernal Chell. Arilu was just murdered in a fashion so brutal only a chell could have accomplished it. Had he lived a few minutes longer, he would have signed a paper putting Jhuz third in command (well, second now, cuz Arilu's dead)

A day after Arilu dies, Jhuz tries to figure out the next step with Ezlio and Zaisha, and Jhuz's servant Ela reveals a bad habit of hers.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: April 09, 2011, 10:34:30 PM »
Alright, hopefully I'll have something finished by monday. if not feel free to shame me into working harder.

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Heh, I'm going to read him from now on with a spanish accent in my head.

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Sorry about the wait, LTU.

I think you've been doing a good job with the epigraphs so far. I enjoyed the bit about the nose, and the end has punch.

Is there a reason they use gold leaf for dictation? I know it's malleable, but so is copper, which would be a lot cheaper.

Some of the hints you've put in about the sparks are interesting. I'm still enjoying the dialogue with Jin's invisible friend, but sometimes the voice sounds a bit awkward. I think you might be doing this to give the 'person' a sense of other-ness. but I actually think that might be stronger if he talked the same as everyone else, but just said very strange things.

I only have two real complaints here. The first is your voice. You have a tendency to write very clipped sentences, or just grammatically inconsistent ones. It's nothing a good copy-edit can't fix, but I'm also hesitant to tell you to just fix it, because it does seem to be part of your writing style. If you want a better explanation I could try sending you some line-edits

The other thing that bothered me was how little time they seem to have spent working on the hole. I feel like the lady should have been more concerned about this than Talvin, even, since the hole affects their magic. But unless I've read this wrong, they've only spent two or three hours of the huuk working on this. If Jin is doing poorly, I would expect they just bring in a different engraver to keep doing the work, and try to get Talvin to accomplish as much as possible.

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Hm, you're right. I think tossing in day would probably be confusing. My copy of Nightfall is at home, otherwise I would check to see how Asimov handled it...

Okay, well what do you call the 5 day periods? It might help readers catch on if you called them something like brightweek/darkweek. your people don't necessary have to think of it as a ten-day period, it could just be two five-day sets.
Some other suggestions: you could play around with sun and moon for the words, but I don't know enough about your world's astronomy to know if that would really work.
- Call it a waking? this isn't quite accurate, because they'll go back to sleep, but we use 'day' to refer to the time when the sun is out as well as a 24 hour period.
-have you looked to see how Inuit tribes used to measure time? they would have the most variety in sunlight, with the month where there's only an hour of light or something each day.

-I know you already said day could be confusing, but it's possible if you set up everything else right it would slide right in to place. Maybe call it, I don't know, Brightday and brightweek, and darkday and darkweek. Do you have specific names for each day of the 'week?'

And last I think whatever word you choose, it'll sink in best if you set up the first chapter at the end of one five-day half and switch it over to another. You sort of do this with Karemoth, but that's what, the third chapter? You could have the first page of the book talk about the tribe switching from night-mode to day-mode, and all that entails. If you actually do this already, sorry, it's just been a while since I read ch1.

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