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Thanks Ryos :)  You have confirmed all of the suspicions I was trying to repress.  Makes me want to swear and smile at the same time.  As I was writing this, I couldn't help but think of different cool plot ideas, like "Phay can go guerrilla warfare on the Gaols and it would be wicked!" and then I would remember that this was supposed to be a short story and with a small pang of regret scrap that little tidbit.  *sigh*

I had planned on submitting this story to Writers of the Future, Fourth Quarter, but I don't think I want to butcher it enough to win.  I've also thought about making it a YA novel, but I'm not so sure how well I'd do at YA.  I'd have to reign in my dark side, and when I write, my dark side likes to use its fangs and claws.  It was almost painful trying to make this story light and fluffy, and it was a relief to have at least one bad guy get mashed into a wall.  It felt a bit cathartic.

In sum, I am completely unsure of what I am going to do with this.

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Be harsh.  Keep in mind, I want this to be a short story.  I've had some difficulty keeping it contained, so let me know if I did so successfully.

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Just to clarify: the three dead guys aren't the the three dead guards who were killed in the first chapter?  Your preface seems to indicate that, but I wasn't sure.

Okay, I'm going to finish the critque assuming the above, but I'm not sure. 

First, the story is definitely interesting.  I like the setting especially and the various creatures and races you've invented.  It certainly made for an interesting read.

My number one problem with the chapter is the infodumpiness.  A lot of the conversation between the god and the judge seemed to be there just to explain your world.  They said things that the other already knew and basically acted out of character.  Your world is really complex and difficult to grasp initially, and you will have to coax your reader along, but there was just way to much telling instead of showing, even when it was the characters doing the telling.  There were even a few instances where you tell us something, then turn around and show us it.  For example, you tell us:

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His neck, though translucent from the lose of his soul, carried the marks of Naalim claws.

then tell us the same thing in dialogue:

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Awrtek looked down the body, noticing a limp bend in the ankles and feet.  “He's translucent, so it looks like the Naalim drained him of blood before eating him.  Otherwise he would be purple.  Most likely because he did not want to fight with him.  From the bend in the ankles he was suspended in the air while being consumed.” When a Naalim ate someone's soul, their bodies froze in place.  Bending the limbs or any part of the body now was impossible.  He might as well be a paper weight or a stone for all the body was worth now.

It seems like the God would know everything that was just told to him already.  This is just one example of many, and probably not the best.

Let me stress, I really like the chapter, the ideas, and the setting, but this particular chapter felt like you were in a rush to show off your world.  You wanted to explain everything all at once.  While you don't want to leave your reader bewildered with your world, you don't want to try and explain your entire mythos in one chapter either.  If your writing is good enough, your reader can deal with a little being lost.  They'll keep reading to learn more about the world you've created.

Anyway, carry on.  Well done. :)

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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: May 21, 2010, 04:15:21 AM »
Can I go for Monday?  I haven't submitted in a while and I have (long) short story to submit :)

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So far I have only tried to write one novel (which failed).  If I had one piece of advice I'd give you, it's to not workshop your novel while you write it.  Some people can do this, but it killed my novel for me.  For my second try (which I will be starting soon, hopefully), I will write the first draft, then workshop it.  That way I don't get hung up fixing things and redrafting my first 10 chapters like I did last time.

Someone gave me some good advice (that I will heed next time).  They said to go ahead and workshop the first few chapters to see if the tone and idea of the story works.  If it does, then write it on your own, then come back and workshop it.  I'm a perfectionist, so I think that's the path I'm going to have to take.  If right now you have a driving, undeniable urge to re-write the last two chapters according to the feedback you just got, well, I'd recommend writing the rest of it privately.  Your theme is great.  Your characters work.  Just write it, then re-work it.  I plan on sending mine to family and whatnot for moral support, but not critical feedback.

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So I read the short story, loved it, and was somewhat disappointed by this follow-up.  I will second everyone else's comments, and add a few of my own.

First, keep the events from the short story and add them to this.  You reference them in Dalrymple's thoughts, and they were awesome, so add them in.  You might have to edit them, but they will do a lot to make the story more interesting.  I really think you should add them.

As to the chapters, just flesh them out more.  Everything is good, just not enough of it.

Oh, did you ever submit the short story anywhere?  What was the result?  You might consider sending it to Writers of the Future.

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So far this chapter is completely unrelated to the prologue.  There was one mention of a judge and as far as I recall, that was the only connection in the chapter to the prologue.

As everyone has stated, the world is fantastic and interesting.  The idea is solid.  What you are doing with the idea has me wondering though.   Right now, I'm not thrilled by either of your characters.  Neither is particularly likable, and while a girl with wings is interesting conceptually, all she really is is a pickpocket at the moment.  She does not possess any particularly endearing qualities.  Elidor is some sort of creature who can kick butt, but again, that's all we know about him, that and the fact that he wants to kill a girl with wings.  This doesn't make him particularly likeable and we have no idea whether he is the protagonist or not.  The same goes with Tasia.

Essentially, everything is interesting, but nothing has hooked me.  I have not invested myself in the book at all, and that needs to happen soon.  The heist almost makes a hook, but doesn't do it for me because I don't as yet care about the characters performing it.  Elidor wanting to kill Tasia again almost gets there, but I don't really care if he succeeds or fails at the moment.  I am interested.  I would keep reading a polished version of this, but my attention needs to be hooked soon.

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Books / Re: What are you reading, part 3
« on: May 14, 2010, 08:40:20 PM »
I just finished Memories of Ice. It was such a great read.  Just awesome. Now I'm on to Silver Borne by Patricia Briggs.

I finally picked up Memories of Ice.  It has been sitting on my bookshelf for the last six months or so, but I had a hard time picking it up after Deadhouse Gates (which left a bad taste in my mouth).  I'm only a few dozen pages in and I'm already liking it better than its prequel.

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Reading Excuses / Re: May 10 - The Sword of Worlds CH 25 - Kail
« on: May 14, 2010, 07:46:21 PM »
^Seconds everything Lethal just said.

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Reading Excuses / Re: May 10 - The Sword of Worlds CH 25 - Kail
« on: May 14, 2010, 08:37:33 AM »
It had been awhile since I read those chapters, but it's good to be reminded that Kail's actions are in character.  This is one of those writing group problems where we read something six months ago and it has slipped our minds since then.

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Books / Re: What are you reading, part 3
« on: May 13, 2010, 07:26:32 PM »
ok, I got 28 pages into "Good Omens" and bookmarked my page and have not had a desire to pick it up again. So I probably wont even bother at this point.

Going to start the Elric Saga for the first time now.

Sad day.  Gaiman and Pratchett aren't for everyone I suppose.

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I also liked this piece.  It needs a lot of polishing and cutting down, but when that's done, this will be awesome.  As to the polishing and cutting down, I will second something that Ryos said:

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About that exposition. The piece is very explainy. I felt like there were too many asides and too many explanations. This is a stylistic thing and therefore hard to quantify, but even your fights feel explainy. The whole thing is like a chain of explanations instead of a narrative. It gets tedious after a bit.

Yeah, and about those fight scenes. They're a bit tedious. I don't know for sure why I feel this way, but I'll try to explain as best I can. Part of it is the explainy narrative style. A large part is, I think, that most of his opponents are horribly outclassed, so the outcome of the fight is really quite obvious. Once it becomes clear that he's just going to tear through and obliterate everyone in his path, it becomes tedious to have to sit through a blow-by-blow of him doing it. The Judge fight was more interesting.

He is 100% correct in his assessment.  If this is a prologue, then we just need a taste of things.  A glimpse at the main character, a cool demo of the magic, and a vision of the world.  It felt like you were trying to lay everything on the table here, to explain how everything worked, which isn't really necessary in a prologue.  In fact, it takes some of the mystery out of things.  Show us something really cool and let us wonder about the how and why.  As long as it doesn't confuse us, it will whet our appetites for the explanation later.

Anyway, Ryos already made the points I wanted to make, but I can give you my own answers to your three questions:

1) Character more likable: First, make him enjoy killing a little bit less.  I wondered how this man could ever be considered a "hero" when he smiles as he tears his victims to shreds.  It's hard for a normal person to like someone like that.  Along the same lines, a little remorse or hesitance would go a long way toward showing that he is doing what he is doing because he has to, not because he enjoys it.  After all, these are people he has fought for and saved in his past.

2) Improvement on magic system: I think the magic system is great.  Keep it the way it is but since this is a prologue, don't explain it so much, just show it in action.  As to the stages, instead of calling them stage 1, 2, 3, you might name them.  This would not only be cooler, but more in line with a fantasy setting.

3) Parkour more interesting: This one is easy, just show us what he does generally rather than blow by blow.  For example, look at this excerpt:

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Dariel, feet slipping against the wall, was still able to run along the stone.  With that propulsion he swung himself away from the window, to another one to the left.  He caught this sill with both hands and looked down.  It worked.  She may not have noticed him, considering the darkness.  She might have been looking up for reasons unrelated to the falling dust and broken stone chips, but it did not matter.

All of the above could be said with a much simpler, "Dariel leaped from handhold to handhold, disappearing around the corner before the woman could look around."  Yeah, seeing the cool handhold stuff in Parkour is awesome, but reading it blow by blow isn't.  Just give us the idea that Dariel is ninja and our imaginations will fill in the blanks.  Another example:

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He stepped onto a low window sill and used it to propel his body to the roof across the street.

This is a great chance for you to use a metaphor or a simile for your reader to catch a visual image, something like "Dariel leaped onto a window sill and launched himself toward the adjoining roof, bouncing from wall to wall like a ricocheted lock." 

I think the key to making your Parkour more fun to read is to first, simplify it from blow by blow, and second, use more imagery so that your reader gets cool mental images.

Anyway, I think you should run with this piece.  I've had the same problem trying to catch up on The Name of God.  It's a lot to read, and this is more interesting.

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Reading Excuses / Re: May 10 - The Sword of Worlds CH 25 - Kail
« on: May 13, 2010, 03:08:06 PM »
Um, excuse me Mr. Longtimeunderdog, but I have been trained to fight, I have had to fight, and I have had things to fight for.  On multiple occasions.  Each time, I managed to pull myself back from going over the edge and doing something I would really regret.  Don't assume things about other people on the forum. 

What bothered me about Kail was that he didn't even think about pulling back.  A person with a conscience would at least consider the option and discard it if it isn't feasible.  During this fight, the troll never really poses a threat.  I've been in fights like that, where it's one sided.  I pulled back.  When it was clear my opponent didn't want to continue, I let it end, even though I was pressured not to.

I guess my point is this:  the kind of violence Kail is meeting out here comes from one of three sources: (1) survival, (2) blinding rage, 0r (3) lack of conscience/psychopathy.  Survival really wasn't an issue--Kail handled the troll neatly.  He was never really even scratched, nor did he once fear for his life.  Blinding rage would have had a chance to ease before the fight ended, which makes that an unlikely choice.  Besides, Kail walked into the fight voluntarily, making a choice, whereas blinding rage is about "snapping" and doing something you wouldn't ordinarily do. 

We are left with a lack of conscience, a lack of concern for the welfare of others.  Of course, this might be the point where we learn that Kail is a cold-blooded killer, that killing or maiming others doesn't bother him.  That's not necessarily a bad thing.  Psychopaths--those who can kill without remorse--can be both "good" and "bad".  Some end up criminals, others end up in law enforcement, others as everyday people.  So Kail doesn't have a conscience?  I'm okay with that, but it would be nice if it were telegraphed earlier, a hint at the bit of darkness within.  Otherwise, a flash of conscience during the fight would be nice.

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Reading Excuses / Re: May 10 - The Sword of Worlds CH 25 - Kail
« on: May 12, 2010, 05:29:06 PM »
Hmmm... I will comment on what has been said already.

First, the good: I liked the description!  You might put it earlier though, but it was very well done.  Also, the fight scene was really cool.  I don't mind that Kail kicked the trolls teeth in without breaking a sweat.  It's one of those wish fulfillment fantasies--the thing you wish you could have done to that bully in the 5th grade.

On that note...

The fight was a tad too brutal though.  Snapping legs, stomping on faces after your opponent is down, etc. will turn off some of your readers.  Plus, it was a bit of a character shift.  We've never known Kail to be a mean person before, and that's kinda how he comes off.  The troll hadn't done anything other than say some not-so-nice things.  If he had, say, slapped down Kajsa, well, *then* the level of brutality you described would have been appropriate.  Also, if the troll kept attacking, even feebly, and Kail kept bashing him, well, that would probably be acceptable too.

Moving on.  I disliked the sword bit, but not for the same reason as everybody else.  I didn't like it because of the shift.  We go from brutal fight to all of the sudden sword and prophesy.  The shift was just too sudden for me.  As to ways to make it awesome... well, I had a thought.  If you were going for brutal, you might have the sword already impaled on the ground, and during the fight, Kail slams the troll down on top of it like a stake, then pulls it out and decapitates the troll.  Crowd is hushed because they realize what's happened.  Ta-da!  Dumb idea that would require reworking your story considerably, but seeing the fight scene in my head was cool :)  The thing is this: we go from battle of champions to sword in the stone.  Stick with one or the other, or mix the two in a cool way.  Going from one to the other is too jarring.




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Books / Re: What are you reading, part 3
« on: May 07, 2010, 05:18:38 AM »
I just started The Blade Itself after reading the Elitist Book Review. Pretty good so far but nothing amazing has happened yet . . .

I'm almost finished with it, and so far nothing amazing has happened. Despite this, for some reason I am loving it. It might just be Abercrombie's style of writing. I can tell something is building, and I can just feel that it's going to be amazing.

These novels are very very character driven and as a result the pacing will be slower, less plot. But it's worth seeing it through to the end.

The books are very much worth reading, but just be prepared because book three hits you in the stomach like a brick.

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