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Reading Excuses / New Title
« on: November 20, 2009, 08:46:47 PM »
Soooooooo... Oathbound was always just a working title, and it may end up being the final title, but I think I may have found a better one.  As you can see from the above listed poll, the alternate is The Chaos Within.  I think it plays well into the redemption/revenge theme that (hopefully) the story will have.

So, the poll is a bit premature; I won't (and you won't either for that matter) be able to pick a title really until the book is hammered out entirely.  Still, for those of you who've read it (and those of you who like to buy books based on whether the title sounds cool), go ahead and let me know which title you like better for the book.

And yes, Chaos, you now have to choose between my stealing your story name, or stealing your username.  Life sucks that way (although I promise that your username was not the inspiration).  What can I say, you have good taste in names.

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Reading Excuses / Plot Analysis Questions
« on: November 18, 2009, 11:06:05 PM »
Alright, this is my thinking out loud (figuratively speaking), so input is not expected, but would be appreciated if you have something to contribute.

Recently I have been reading up on Dan Well's blog at http://www.fearfulsymmetry.net/?p=314#comments, and he has been discussing a seven segmented plot analysis.  His system works really well, and I will briefly summarize the seven segments here:

1) Hook
 The portion that captures a reader's interest in the character/story

2) Plot Turn #1
The portion that begins generating movement toward the midpoint and away from status quo of the Hook

3) Pinch #1
Really bad crap happens.

4) Midpoint
The story gets turned on its head/character goes from being acted upon to take on proactive role

5) Pinch #2
Now the story looks *really* hopeless

6) Plot Turn #2
Main character learns/obtains last vital thing to resolve main conflict

7) Resolution
Main conflict is resolved.


The above listed story structure works very well for the hero's journey (as Dan points out very well).  However, I've been having some trouble adapting it to a revenge plot, specifically, *my* revenge plot.  Do any of you have input on how a generic revenge plot might fit the above listed outline?  I'm going to give a stab at it right now, and any feedback on the following would be really appreciated.  I'm going to try to use The Count of Monte Cristo (movie version) as a template, so correct me if I am wrong in my analysis.

1) Hook
Edmund is living his life; there is conflict, but things are going well.  He is moving up in the world.
Generic: Character is living his life, things are going okay

2) Plot Turn #1
Edmund is betrayed by his best friend. 
Generic: Something devastating and personal happens and it is someone else's fault;

3) Pinch #1
Edmund is sent to Chateau Dif where he is tortured and left for years
Generic: Main character suffers greatly due to what happened to them.

4) Midpoint
Edmund meets the priest who helps Edmund realize the true depth of his betrayal; Edmund decides to seek revenge if he escapes
Generic: Story/Character changes and gains direction; Revenge is now the goal.

5) Pinch #2
Priest dies, and Edmund escapes and finds that everything he ever loved has been destroyed
Generic: Character hits rock bottom.

6) Plot Turn #2
Edmund has his betrayers completely within his grasp, ready to be destroyed, but finds out that the woman he loved did not betray him after all.
Generic: Revenge plot comes completely to fruition.

7) Resolution
Edmund executes his revenge, but spares the woman he loves.
Revenge is exacted and loose ends tied up.


Alright, after writing that out, I think I got most of it right (any corrections would be appreciated).  That being said, here is a generic revenge plot summary:

1) Character is living his life, things are going okay.
2) Something devastating and personal happens and it is someone else's fault.
3) Main character suffers greatly due to what happened.
4) Story/Character changes and gains direction; revenge is now the goal.
5) Character hits rock bottom/suffers while going about setting up the revenge.
6) Revenge plot comes completely to fruition.
7) Revenge is exacted and loose ends tied up.

Any alterations?  Comments?

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Reading Excuses / I was curious to know...
« on: November 17, 2009, 05:40:45 PM »
So, when I'm famous and have my book published and pretty much rock, will my name be added to the list of authors, right there under Sanderson and Wells and Tayler?  When was the last time someone got added to the list and how did they go about doing it? 

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Reading Excuses / november 16- recovering cynic-oathbound-ch. 2 re-write
« on: November 16, 2009, 03:59:45 AM »
enjoy

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Reading Excuses / Great News! I'm no longer lost!
« on: November 13, 2009, 04:47:01 AM »
So the road map is complete.  The reason I started re-drafting my book (and the reason for my absence from the forums) was that I had hit a brick wall.  The loose outline I had originally planned was broken.  I hit about chapter eight in the book and realized that the way I had it set up wasn't working.  So I started over, this time beginning a little bit earlier in the storyline.  I changed some of the biographical backgrounds of the main character (to fix some of the things that weren't working), and I merged a few characters (to fix the problem I was having with length/plot).  I even obliterated an entire city from the face of the land.  Heady stuff, neh?

And now, when I reach that scary point at the end of my detailed outline and have to take a step into the darkness, I know roughly what the terrain is like.

It's a comforting feeling.

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Reading Excuses / Reading Excuses - Recovering Cynic - Oathbound - Prologue
« on: November 02, 2009, 07:00:08 PM »
Here it is!  I finally got around to writing the prologue.  The story will be going through some major changes so expect to see new first chapters and reworked/adapted portions of what has already been written.

As to the prologue, is it compelling enough?  That's my main concern.  Don't worry about grammar stuff; I'll sort through that later.

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Reading Excuses / Oct. 5 - Recoverying Cynic - Oathbound - Ch. 5
« on: October 05, 2009, 04:26:40 PM »
It's been a crazy week, and I haven't had much time to write, so it's a good thing I was a little ahead and have material to submit.  This week is going to be equally crazy :(

One quick note:  I mention in here that there is a glow around the King's soldiers.  This is something I meant to foreshadow earlier in the story and explain a little.  I know it is not well-introduced here, but that is because it should already have been introduced in chapter 3.

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Writing Group / Creative Ways to Kill a Character
« on: September 29, 2009, 11:08:37 PM »
Hmm... Does anyone know of a compilation of interesting ways to kill off one of your characters?  If nobody has a link handy, we should start one of our own :)

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Reading Excuses / Sept. 28 - Recoverying Cynic - Oathbound - Ch. 4
« on: September 28, 2009, 04:22:20 PM »
Hello Everyone,

Here is Chapter four.  Let the ripping begin :)

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Hey everyone,

Alright, so I cut out the last few pages of Chapter 2 with their changes to see if they softened Jagoth's character enough.  Let me know if they work.  Also, for your reading pleasure, here is chapter 3, for those of you who haven't read it yet.

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Everything Else / Never Break Into a Ninja's House
« on: September 16, 2009, 02:59:43 PM »
Is it just me, or have we been slowly regressing to the middle ages?  This time it was feudal Japan . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/15/samurai.sword.killing/index.html

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Well here it is:  Spoiler.  The main character from Ch. 1 didn't die

Yay!

If any of you are reviewing this and want a copy of Ch. 1, let me know, and I'll send it out.


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Writing Group / My Book is Overwhelming Me
« on: September 11, 2009, 03:22:23 PM »
Okay, so I think I may have made a mistake.  I am currently writing a novel (some of you have read parts of it for Reading Excuses).  It's my first try at writing anything longer than a short story.  So far I think it's going well.  I have almost the whole novel outlined and I've written the first two chapters.  The people who've read them have liked them very much and want more.

Then I went and started reading The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie.  Seriously, I'm not even a quarter into that book, and I already feel like my book is a failure.  Don't get me wrong, I think what I've done so far is interesting, maybe on par with Mr. Abercrombie's first two chapters, but he wrote like two hundred chapters, and that's just in the first book of a three part series.   My current outline is only around thirty chapters long.

*sigh* 

It makes me want to give up.  I plan on plowing on--I really want to write this--but it's very discouraging reading something so good and holding up my pathetic attempt next to it.  Any ideas on how to add length to a story without it feeling like fluff?

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Reading Excuses / Sept 7-westwriter-heroes of the Necrowar-ch. 5
« on: September 08, 2009, 03:28:31 AM »
No topic was posted, so here it is:

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Reading Excuses / Sept. 7 - Recovering Cynic - Oathbound - Ch. 1
« on: September 07, 2009, 02:44:48 AM »
Well, here it is, my first chapter of my first attempt at a novel.  Enjoy.

Warning: Gore and Violence.

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