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Brandon Sanderson / Re: If Mistborn was a movie. . . .
« on: January 15, 2008, 02:15:48 AM »
Nathan Fillion is now my favorite for Kelsier. candylion's comment about Yeden got me to thinking, though, and I remembered that I pictured Yeden as looking a lot like this.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0740264/

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Rants and Stuff / Re: Ratlord's Pot of Volatile Opinions
« on: January 11, 2008, 08:07:22 PM »
Alice in Wonderland is greatly amusing. There can be no disagreement. Especially regarding Jabberwocky.

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Writing Group / Re: Vampire idea help
« on: December 12, 2007, 12:18:15 AM »
This is going to sound ridiculous in a thread about vampires, but the whole 10% of your brain deal is an urban legend. That's not to say you can't use it, but I would try to address it differently, like saying that they rearrange the brain so that one part takes on more functions than normal, leaving another part free to develop psychic abilities. When people lose part of their brain, this type of compensation often occurs, so it would seem more plausible. Just an idea.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Brandon To Write Wheel of Time Book 12
« on: December 10, 2007, 11:59:54 PM »
Wow, that is amazing news. Congratulations again to EUOL. It might just be because I am in finals time, and therefore, extremely tired, but I had to read this three times to make sure that I understood the announcement. I guess I have 10,000 pages of catchup to do.

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Music / Re: Archetype rock
« on: December 02, 2007, 05:35:27 PM »
We forgot the Morrisons.

Van Morrison - Brown-Eyed Girl
The Doors - Break On Through
The Doors - Light My Fire

And, I can't believe nobody mentioned the notorious...
Blue Oyster Cult - Don't Fear The Reaper

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Music / Re: Archetype rock
« on: November 28, 2007, 03:51:30 AM »
I'm not sure that I know what you are looking for, but here are some suggestions.

Perry Mason - Ozzy Osbourne
My Wave - Soundgarden
Carry On Wayward Son - Kansas
You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC
The Angel and the Gambler - Iron Maiden
Sweet Child O' Mine - Guns N' Roses
Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Brain Stew - Green Day
Bad Love - Eric Clapton
Innocence Faded - Dream Theater
Metropolis Pt. 1 - Dream Theater
Panama - Van Halen
Runnin' With the Devil - Van Halen


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Books / Re: column: EUOLogy: On Pullman and Censorship
« on: November 20, 2007, 08:44:09 AM »
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The sociologist part of me tends to think everytime I hear a writer whine about censorship, it's really a plea for more power. They want the power to decide what people read, and censequently think.
That works more in the favor of the censor. Writers can only make their ideas available. People decide for themselves whether or not they are going to even read those ideas, and then they have the chance to decide what they think. The only way they can decide what people read is if they have interesting ideas. Censors, on the other hand, directly control what people can and can't read/think.

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Course, if you say something that's going to offend a large portion of the culture to which you belong (like offend the 90% of U.S. citizens that follow a religion, or refere to everyone that doesn't live in a large city as a hick) then you deserve to be censored if purely for being a social idiot.
If they were social idiots, then they wouldn't have to be censored. Few people, if anyone, would read their books, and they would naturally stop being published. If people do read their books, then they had a point that people thought was worth considering. Even if most people buy the book to denounce it, it still means that people were interested in the issue.

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Books / Re: column: EUOLogy: On Pullman and Censorship
« on: November 20, 2007, 04:29:33 AM »
I am with EUOL on most of his points, but I have to say that there is definitely some material in this series that I can see parents objecting to. I don't remember as much in the first book, but in the later books, there are some pretty rough scenes.
SPOILERS:
For example, one of the last fights in the third book involves two characters killing one of the main antagonists by strangling him, and then repeatedly smashing him in the head with a rock. There are also some torture scenes throughout the series which, although they aren't that graphic, make it very clear that the person is in pain. The most disturbing thing in the series for me was when one of the main characters was kidnapped and repeatedly given tranquilizers to keep her asleep.
END SPOILERS

Considering the length of the series, I wouldn't say that there is a lot of violence, but Pullman handles it realistically when it does occur. It's not usually graphic, but it's definitely not stylized either.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: More Art for You to Digest
« on: November 14, 2007, 01:24:19 AM »
I think the yellow dress is too distracting. The white dress provides a much better contrast for the breath.

I don't like that the breath seems to fade into her hair. I like how the hair fades, and I like the look of the breath, I just don't like that point where you can't tell them apart. You might want to try putting a different color there. Since there are already a lot of cooler colors, I think that a bright red would look good. There is already a bit of red around her mouth, I know, but I still think it would look good.

I'm with pengwenn on the double "w." Fade in the larger one, and get rid of the smaller one. On the other hand, I did like how in the original cover, the lettering cast a shadow over her dress.

I know I am against the group on this one, but I think that she looks better with her eyes closed. Granted, I haven't read the book, but I can't imagine that it would give a different impression of this woman's character just by having her eyes open.

Overall: If I let myself buy books based on the cover, I would have way too many of them by now. However, I would pick this one up and look at the teaser based on the cover.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: No longer Rumors of Brandon Jr.
« on: October 30, 2007, 01:54:50 PM »
Congratulations to both of you.

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Writing Group / Re: NaNoWriMo 2007
« on: October 25, 2007, 01:44:02 AM »
Oh yeah. I'm actually working on the sequel to my Nanowrimo from a couple years ago, but I have been reworking a lot of my ideas from the first novel, and adding in a lot more. Unfortunately, most of this is worldbuilding, and doesn't actually help that much when it comes to my story for the next one. I have about the first quarter of it pretty well planned, but after that it gets sketchy. I know what has to happen, but I don't know how it's going to work out.

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Writing Group / Re: NaNoWriMo 2007
« on: October 17, 2007, 10:11:35 PM »
I'll try again this year. My name over there is MasterArchon30.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Kelsier in Well of Ascension
« on: October 12, 2007, 12:39:44 AM »
Most children rebel against their parents because they think that their parents are being too restrictive. Typically, when this happens, it is because they aren't communicating very well. However, especially if you compare him to the other figures in her life, Kelsier wasn't an authoritarian. He was much more open and honest with Vin than anyone else had ever been. He wasn't bossy; most of the time he asked Vin if she was up for a task instead of telling her. Although he acted as a mentor to Vin, he was a friend too. You can tell that by the way she reacts to him in the first book. If he had been those things, she would have acted like she would around Reen or Camon, and just made herself as small and discrete as possible. Instead, in the first book, Vin thinks very highly of Kelsier.

As for Kelsier's intentions, there are a couple other incidences that make me think that it was about more than just egomania. On page 304 of Mistborn, Ham and Kelsier get into the same argument, essentially.
"So this is about your ego?" Ham snapped.
Kelsier shook his head. "Sometimes we need to do things that we find distasteful, Ham. My ego may be considerable, but this is about something else entirely."
Now, true, Kelsier could be simply lying. However, on page 366, when they are at the executions, he repeats himself, essentially, except this time, to the entire crew. And they believe him. The people who know him best believe in him, even though they know that Kelsier can scam well. If skeptics like Breeze, who knows social cues, body language, emotion, and such better than anyone believe him when he says that, then I would be inclined to believe too, especially in light of how angry he got at the sight of good people being killed.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Kelsier in Well of Ascension
« on: October 09, 2007, 10:55:43 PM »
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*searches through the archives to find the large number of threads about teens talking crap about their parents and labels them "Exhibit A"
I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying. If you want to discuss my character, then I would prefer not to do so here, out of respect for Brandon. If that's not what you are getting at, then I need you to explain.
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He visited all the families for the express purpose of having them think of him as a god. Sorry, but I can't see that as any other thing but ego. His inner motives, however, are unknowable, because they're never directly addressed.
On page 296, Kelsier is talking to Ham about Ham being a general and he thinks to himself:
"I know how you feel, my friend, Kelsier thought, I'm a thief, not a prophet. Sometimes, we just have to be what the job requires."
This is one of the reasons that I don't think it was his ego. He would rather have just been a thief, but he needs to be a prophet for this job to work. Even if you just think of it as pragmatism, it still isn't pride. Now, granted, this is a private thought, so the rest of the crew wouldn't know that was what he was thinking. However, later on page 486-490, the crew discovers the whole plan. They figure out that Kelsier knew that the skaa would have to rise up for anything to change in the Final Empire, and that the only way to get them to do that was to give them a new god, instead of the Lord Ruler. Even if you consider it simple pragmatism (which I would still argue against) it still means that he didn't do it for his pride.

Ookla, I agree with you on most of your points. I don't think that calling Kelsier arrogant is horrible of Vin. I don't even think that she is necessarily wrong. What gets me in that quotation is "Part of what she loved about Elend was his sincerity. His simple love for the people of Luthadel--his determination to do what was right for them--was what separated him from Kelsier."
I don't know how she can question Kelsier's determination to help the people of Luthadel when he was responsible for staging a revolution that everyone believed to be impossible. He sacrificed himself so that the people would have a symbol they could rally around.
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But if Vin is actually wrong here, and Kelsier wasn't really as arrogant as he appeared to her, does that make her a horrible person to be thought less of? I don't think so. As readers, we saw inside Kelsier's head for many scenes in the book, which is something Vin could never do.
I don't necessarily think that it makes Vin a horrible person. I do have a hard time liking her, though. I set a great deal of stock in friendship, and I think that you can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat their friends. True, she couldn't see into his head, but there are many instances where you can see the Kelsier cares for the skaa. As a matter of fact, I just found something interesting on page 450 of Mistborn.
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"He really does seem to care for them, Vin thought, watching Kelsier pick up a small child. I don't think it's just a show. This is how he is--he loves people, loves the skaa. But...it's more like the love of a parent for a child than it is like the love of a man for his equals.
She knows that Kelsier loves the people. So why would she think ill of him in this book?

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Also, another thing Brandon is saying here is that arrogance isn't necessarily a bad thing. He says it other places as well in the book. When arrogance is labeled self-confidence, it's considered healthy.
But the way she says it indicates that she thinks that Elend is a better king in part because he wasn't arrogant like Kelsier was. I agree that in other places in the book, it says that arrogance can be a good quality. But here, Vin seems to say that Elend is better because he is more humble.

Your mention of Brandon's intent makes me think that I might be perceived as criticizing him. If that is the case, then I apologize. I mean to discuss, not criticize.

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Brandon Sanderson / Kelsier in Well of Ascension
« on: October 06, 2007, 01:43:50 AM »
Ok, before I start, let me just say that I loved Well of Ascension. Just like the first Mistborn, which is just below LOTR as my favorite book, it pained me every time I had to put it down. Even though I had a hundred things to do to prepare for school, I still finished it in two days, because I was utterly engrossed.

That being said, a couple things really bothered me about this story as opposed to Mistborn. Most of them are little things, that I can't even remember right now. However, one keeps nagging at me, and I want to see what other people think about it.

It really bothers me how the others, and especially Vin, regard Kelsier, now that he is gone. For example, on page 261:
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So much for running away,Vin thought. However, she couldn't help smiling. Part of what she loved about Elend was his sincerity. His simple love for the people of Luthadel--his determination to do what was right for them--was what separated him from Kelsier. Even in martyrdom, Kelsier had displayed a hint of arrogance. He'd made certain that he would be remembered like few men who had ever lived.

But Elend--to him, ruling the Central Dominance wasn't about fame or glory. For the first time, completely and honestly, she decided something. Elend was a far better king than Kelsier would ever have been.
Does anyone else think that Vin is being a poor friend here? She implies that Kelsier did not love the people of Luthadel, even after all he did for them. Not only did he free them from the Lord Ruler, he gave them hope. He visited families, lightening spirits, bringing food. He gave them a symbol that they could rally around, so that they could help themselves. He would have fought an army to protect his skaa soldiers, had not Vin herself stopped him. True, he did make himself very well-known among the skaa as a result, but was it because of his ego? Personally, I don't think so. When he visited the skaa tenement in Luthadel with Vin, he told her that it was refreshing to actually visit the skaa, and give them hope. From that, you can see that he enjoys helping the people. He didn't have to do things like that to become famous. True, it helped him to form a bond with the people, but a lot of their reverence came from his capacity as a figurehead, and their awe of his feats, like killing an Inquisitor. Yet even though Kelsier was like a father to Vin, she assumes the worst of his intentions. And she always assumes the best of Elend's. She says he was determined to do what was right for the people of Luthadel, as opposed to Kelsier. However, Elend didn't do anything until he had the baton handed to him. While Elend attended balls and casually read his books, Kelsier was enacting a plan that eventually toppled the Final Empire, something that everyone else had thought impossible. Don't get me wrong, I know that Vin was in love with Elend. I don't blame her for thinking well of Elend. I do, however, think that dismissing Kelsier as being inferior to Elend is a betrayal not only of Kelsier, but also of his memory. I have a very hard time thinking well of Vin when she would discard a friend like that.
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He shook his arm free. "You still have some things to learn about friendship, Vin. I hope someday you realize what they are."

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