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Books / Re: My readthrough of WoT (**Spoilers**)
« on: April 03, 2009, 08:16:58 PM »
I could be wrong, but I think the intention is that the third age ends with the climax of the series and the narrator is writing history from the perspective of the fourth age.  The Age of legends stuff, though, is from the past.  The death of Elenya and the suicide by a bar of light that destroys a large chunk of land take place before the chapter 1 and are very ancient history to our narator and the characters.

I'm not sure if the prologue says those are in the fourth age but if so I think that might have either been a booboo or else ages are even LONGER than we are thinking.

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Books / Re: My readthrough of WoT (**Spoilers**)
« on: April 03, 2009, 08:01:28 PM »
You're right on that Miyabi, one rotation goes through all ages. But the implication is that there an an awful lot of ages and that each is maybe several thousand years, meaning that a full iteration includes ages that we have no knowledge of at all.  (maybe even an age that includes WWI, WWII, etc.)

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Reading Excuses / Re: Writing Groups: An Essay by Dan Wells
« on: April 03, 2009, 04:24:34 PM »
Going back a bit, Ben, you mention the "style" of commenting that the group has evolved.  As I'm a new reader, is there anything like a concise guide to that style say half a dozen one liners to use as a guide when critiquing?

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If you are referring to when a non-renewed registration expires then I think that is 70 years after the demise of the last copyholder under the treaty.  But I was being half-way facetious.  There was an author who did books about Middle Earth in the 80's dunno how long Tolkien was deceased, but I know it was not 70 years, although he would have fallen under the old standard, so maybe you are right.  Maybe people's sensibilities won't accept any Wheel related works until Tor is defunct for 70 years. ;P

(PS didn't want to suggest the other more gruesome reality)


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Rothfuss was a bit hard to get started for me.  The austere tone and the story within a story threw me.  As I pushed through though I have to say I was looking for more.  I think the story hooked me when he got to school.  That's a little late for a hook, but in retrospect I have to wonder if it wasn't that I'd just finished A Feast of Crows and still had The Book of the Fallen and Wheel of Time in the back of my mind.  It really wasn't a problem with The Name of the Wind as much as the don't drink orange juice after eating chocolate paradigm. ;P

I'm glad to see the cover art on the new WoT volumes is consistently good.  I know it's gotten slams but I think they are unwarranted.  And yeah if three volumes means more WoT. I'm up for that.

At what point does fan fiction become a publishable alternative look at the same mileu I wonder...?

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Books / Re: My readthrough of WoT (**Spoilers**)
« on: April 03, 2009, 03:15:14 PM »
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Douglas make a good point there.  I've wondered if Rigney intended to suggest that this was the last circuit of the wheel, that maybe some events have gotten so far out of hand that the cycle of ages will not repeat at the end of this iteration.  Things like certain of the archetypes being yanked out of Telarienrhiod (sp?), are some indicators.  Where it goes now is not entirely up to Rigney though.  New eyes and a new hand may introduce a new direction that none of us expect and that is still valid and satisfying for the reader.
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Writing Group / Re: Writing the Other
« on: April 02, 2009, 11:54:37 PM »
I reread your initial post and it hit me. "Three From Manilla and the Vicious Gene-splicing Madman"  Feel free to plagiarize.

:D

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Writing Group / Writing Excuses Episode 632:
« on: April 02, 2009, 11:01:52 PM »
After listening to the pod-cast I'm even more concerned about certain persons being possession of sharp pointy objects such as steak knives.  Also I hope Howard realizes he'll have to actually produce 607 more pod-casts AND create time travel in order to avoid destroying reality...

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Writing Group / Re: Writing Excuses Branding Writing Prompt
« on: April 02, 2009, 10:31:29 PM »
I was really responding to books' post with that.  I don't think like an ad guy.  When I think of branding I think in terms of trade names and images.  Maybe someone else could take a stab at definining the process/product of "branding" one's fiction.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: April 02, 2009, 09:53:19 PM »
Thanks silk.  I wasn't trying to hijack the list, I just didn't realize that the one on the first post was as current as it was.  By the time I did I had already posted.

I'm assuming I missed receiving the Apr. 1st distribution so the next one is on the 15th?


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Writing Group / Re: Writing Excuses Branding Writing Prompt
« on: April 02, 2009, 09:35:28 PM »
This topic looks like it could well be one of the 5 more important ones in the Group.  But I'd find this fairly difficult.  It seems like most new author's would feel a bit self serving comparing themselves stylistically to a well known author.  And I think a lot of us find it hard to separate ourselves from the author that just finished the novel we're hawking (that's my baby!).  It looks like a really good exercise, but seriously what if you say, "I use tone and characterization in a way that blends characteristics of Lynn Abbey and Anne McCaffrey," with a straight face, when the last thing you published was a college newspaper and the guy sitting across from you (that you had to give a kidney to get to meet with) doesn't see it? What if he laughs....

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Well I sort of half agree with Books about where Rand was going by book 11.  Thing is he didn't start that way and I always felt he was getting that way the way real people tend to flatten out when they become obsessed or isolated.  Rand is both.  But rand was never really my favorite character.  I prefer and coincidentally identify with the large fellow with the dog attachment.

But Mat is quickly becomming the center of the story, if Books 10 and 11 are any indication.

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Writing Group / Re: Grammar Questions
« on: April 02, 2009, 08:50:39 PM »
Okay,
Something that has always bugged me is the monotony of the he-said-she-said's of dialogue.  Zelazney was prone to just cram to quotes together with a narration about the character's behavior e.g. "quote" The evil snot monkey dripped wetly before devouring the frozen trump card. "quote"

Others simply trail off and just leave the bare quotes hanging there after the first couple of exchanges.

I've generally tried to forge through and use a bit of both, along with mixing up the he-saids...  But it can get really tiresome coming up with new synonyms for "said" without starting to sound like a filme noir narrator.

Any thoughts?

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Writing Group / Re: Writing Prompts!
« on: April 02, 2009, 08:38:07 PM »
To avoid getting the thread off track (and locked) I thought I'd add a prompt.

How about an environment where not only is hyper-orthodox Islam the dominant faith--Magic, Djinn and Angels are all very accessible (if rare).  All of this is set against a background of modern technology and physics.  In other words both science and mysticism are practical ways of achieving a goal and characters are forced to navigate the ethical and feasibility pitfalls of both systems simultaneously in everyday life.

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Dan Wells / Re: Borders Interview
« on: April 02, 2009, 08:11:20 PM »
Let's just make sure Fell doesn't lay  hands on a carving knife...

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