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I think this is probably the most coherent Rosalin perspective we've seen yet! :)  But I do agree with Hubay about the other characters and their lack of development.  It wouldn't even take much.  You've done pretty well with Senna, for example- she's embarrassed at the attention she gets by shining and acts that way.  Rosalin then later mentions showing some nuts to Dais to get his opinion on their edibleness because "the boy seemed pretty knowledgeable about the forest."  But the only other example you've given us of that is him handing her a some leaves.  Perhaps on their trek through the forest you could mention him rambling to Amaryllis about this shrub and that bunch of leaves he claims are herbs or something while Kalimeris stalks along with a grim expression (as usual ;)).  Something to show us that the other party members are interacting while she's introspecting.

But on the whole I thought it was well put together.  The bathing scene was very well shown.

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Likewise, I don't mind the fact that she dies at the end either.  And I agree that thievery in itself should be an adequate reason for someone's timely demise, but fortunately or unfortunately, in this day and age the anti-hero is much more common than the hero.  All I'm saying is that your present version seems to be setting her up for redemption rather than death.  The ending still works, it's just a surprise, is all. :)

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Reading Excuses / Re: Sept 14 - The Sword of Worlds - CH 27 - Kail
« on: September 16, 2010, 10:12:02 PM »
I will post on this once I've caught up. ;)

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Nope, definitely not as confusing as the last two installments.   ;D  Probably helps that we're in a different viewpoint.  Also, I think you're getting better at juggling the different people in the group.  It's still a little jumbled at times- there were places where I wasn't quite sure what was going through their heads, but overall it's a big improvement!

One... well, two minor things: I can understand Dais being unsettled by the revelation that Senna and Kalimaris are considered criminals by some people, but I wouldn't expect him to really start reacting to that until some more time has passed and he's had a chance to think about it.  It hasn't been that long between meeting the city guardsmen at the inn-battle and the escape to the wall, after all.  Now, granted, there might be something in his back-story that we don't see- something that makes him believe the guard captain over the evidence of his previous relationship with them, but... well, we don't see that. :-\

The second one is... it's going to be very hard to climb a rope that thin.  It would make more sense for them to walk up the wall using it as a handhold than outright climbing it.  It would make even more sense for them to tie the packs to the end of the rope and have Amaryllis pull them up first, and then climb up after- but perhaps they don't have time for that.

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To start off with, this version feels a lot more coherent than the other.  It flows better, there's no obvious break between back-story and main plot, so good job!

Isis' motivation works, but I'm not sure you're showing it in the right way.  I'm getting more of a "victim mentality" vibe than a "revenge" vibe from her.  But it's still a lot more than you gave us before- you're headed in the right direction!

The ending still feels a little abrupt, especially since now I find myself caring about her- unlike the previous draft.  Again this comes down to you showing us reasons why she does what she does, and why she deserves the end she ultimately gets.  You did good on the motivation part, now you just need to work on the 'she deserves this' part.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Sept. 6- RavenstarRHJF- Of Crowns and Kings, Ch. 1.2-3
« on: September 12, 2010, 05:40:55 PM »
Hm, I can now see your objections.  That is, incidentally, not what the setting is, but apparently I need to go back and make it clearer.  Thank you for explaining. :)

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Reading Excuses / Re: Sept. 6- RavenstarRHJF- Of Crowns and Kings, Ch. 1.2-3
« on: September 11, 2010, 09:22:28 PM »
LTU, I've noticed you use the words 'bland' and 'generic' in your critiques a lot these days... maybe you should switch to reading Sci-fi! :D   ;)

Empire and King both use modern definitions in my setting.  The Emperor rules an Empire made up of many conquered nations.  A King (or Queen- there are Queens who rule in their own right) rules his own kingdom which he inherited from his father (or mother as the case may be). 

So no, they are not rebelling- they're being invaded.  And I know right now my characters are sort of bland vanilla (partially because description is not my strong suit).  It gets better I promise, just give it time.  As for my setting being based on Lord of the Rings... I really can't see where you got that at this point.  Could you explain?  Perhaps I'm missing something.

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Writing Group / Re: story ideas
« on: September 09, 2010, 02:12:58 PM »
I have read some books that touched on the subject, but they never make it's never a major part of the plot.  Seems to me you'd have an open field for exploration!

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Reading Excuses / Re: September 7 – Hubay – Fathers of Gods, Chapter 3
« on: September 09, 2010, 03:39:30 AM »
Well, I have the opposite of Flo's problem.  I can't open .docx files at all.  To clarify- I didn't have a problem opening this submission.

Anyway, on to the critique.

This may have been in the prologue- which I have not read... not sure I even got it- but, what the heck is a spinner?!  From the sparse descriptions you provided, I really have no idea what it is, or what it's purpose is, or even why it's such a big deal.  Granted, for the purposes of the scene, it's not really important.  But it is the cause of several actions, so you've still got me asking, "why?"  And again, this may have been explained in the prologue, and if so, fine.  But if not...

Yay for finally having some kind of indication of what it is that makes Polaesi die after a single year of god-hood.  You could probably describe it in more detail, though.  I wouldn't complain. :)

I like the visual image of slums residing above the main city, but I also see a problem with that... people who live in slums usually aren't that tidy, or clean.  And people who are neither tidy nor clean, tend to throw their trash any-which way.  And in a high-rise slum, that any-which way is probably going to end up going *down*... to the city-center.  Thus inflicting the effects of slum-life on the expensively dressed upper class.  And, frankly, it doesn't matter if the trash eventually gets turned into food, because it's still going to be all over someone's formerly gorgeous vehicle/dress/pet/spouse. :-\

As for actual action... I like what I see for the most part.  It is a little contradictory to have Dyp think about all the people who have not survived finding out he's really a god, and then not have him kill the guy who just identified him as such.  Granted, he doesn't know for sure, and I get that Dyp wants to use him to send a message, but... wouldn't just killing all of them be a much better message?

Anyway, this installment does a good job of making your world bigger, and that's always a good thing.  I like big worlds.  Keep it coming!

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This chapter was... confusing.  This is the first time we've seen Rosalin sober in days, and yet her viewpoint is even more fractured than when she was drunk.  Part of it is spots like this:
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The knights on the other hand looked like they had found trouble. The footmen accompanying them looked even worse; they had been on the walls, Rosalin realized, but not anymore. Even though there had not been a retreat signal they were here already.

“Stop that,” she whispered to Rosen. The things that bubbled up from where she had pushed him weren’t welcome. While the speed at which Overlook fell might be of interest to him, Rosalin refused to care, save for how she was going to live now that her place lay in shambles.

You indicate after the fact that she's getting information from Rosen, which makes it difficult to discern what she's deducing for herself, and what she's getting from him.  It fractures my idea of who Rosalin is and how good she is at figuring things out for herself.  Granted, that might be what you're going for- the split personality thing- but if so, please make it more obvious what's coming from who.

Also you've got related lines of dialogue that are interrupted by blocks of description and explanation.  This makes for conversation that feels choppy and is hard to follow.  I'd suggest having the characters converse uninterrupted, and then explain whatever needs to be explained.

When they're actually fighting the shifter, and Black Rose makes her appearance, it does flow better.  But the last section where she's talking to Amaryllis, again, it's very confusing.  I gather her memory decides to show her what she did to that group of soldiers on the plain, but it took several read-throughs to pick it up.

However, you've accomplished your overall-goal: push the story forward.  They are now a group, however uneasily allied.  I can't wait to see where they go from here.  And whether Black Rose decides to pursue.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Sept. 6- RavenstarRHJF- Of Crowns and Kings, Ch. 1.2-3
« on: September 07, 2010, 02:51:58 AM »
Regarding the size of Arrelaine... I think it comes across as small because most of the time I'm comparing it to the size of the Empire that's just become their enemy- which is roughly the size of half the U.S., maybe just a bit over.  Consider, for instance, a country the size of Iowa and Missouri together, taking on the central and western states all together.  But I do need to clarify that in the text.

You raise a good point for where the strategizing is taking place- I'll have to change that, but I think I can still maintain tension.  It'll just be in different areas.

Thanks for your time and advice!

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Reading Excuses / Sept. 6- RavenstarRHJF- Of Crowns and Kings, Ch. 1.2-3
« on: September 06, 2010, 05:49:47 AM »
Here's the rest of chapter 1- what I call sections 2 and 3. There may be a four based on feedback here.  Otherwise we'll just move right along.

Quick synopsis of previous events:

Alexander is crown prince of a country called Arrelaine.  His father is dying, and the bordering empire of Carn is about to invade, having left them alone for over a century.

No language, violence or sex.

Enjoy and tear into it!

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And finally we've got some action going on! ;D  And we've got more indications that Rosalin is waking up to her situation in the fact that she's finally starting to take a reluctant interest in the people around her.

I will agree with Zardog that some of your sentences were hard to follow again, in this installment.  That's probably just the way you write when you're in the 'getting everything down' mode, but remind yourself to line edit later.

The differing POVs worked for you in this chapter, because all the POVs are together in one space, each showing different aspects of what's going on.

I do have a question about Senna... is she the equivalent of a shaman?  And if so, is that why she hides herself?


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I think what you're trying to do with Rosalin is emphasize that emotionally, she's still very much a little girl.  A naive and sheltered girl who is not prepared to deal with her new circumstances and thus does the only thing she can think of to deal with them- drink enough to forget what's going on.  Is it selfish?  Yes.  Is it understandable, given her background?  I believe so.  Could she do more productive things, like actually try to find out where she is in relation to where her town was?  Sure.  Is she in any state to do so right now, and would she even know who to ask or how to find them?  No.

My guess is, she's going to join up with Dais and his team and learn a little bit about what's going on- maybe find her way home eventually.

Anyway, I too, am happy to see this section of her life coming to an end, but at the same time, I recognize why it's necessary.

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I don't see Sericea in her anymore. Kind, loving, self-sacrificing Sericea became ice-cold, heartless Black Rose the moment her imprisonment was broken. Is the woman who cared for Rosalin so tenderly really the same woman who gazed dispassionately at the carnage left by a raging Shifter?

Ok, what?  I was under the impression that Black Rose and Sericea are two entirely different people.  And I have recently read the whole from the prologue to this point.  I can find no indication that they are the same, or that Sericea is somehow channeling, or merged with, Black Rose the same way Rosalin merged with Rosen.  Am I wrong about this?

Anyway, I like the feel of Black Rose.  She's still having difficulty adjusting to her new life, as well she should be, and you show it quite well.  And yet she is able to act when needed. 

The battle sequence on the wall is a bit confusing for me to follow- but then I usually have difficulty following specific battle description, so don't take it personally. 

Personally, I can't wait for her to meet up with Rosalin.

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