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Role-Playing Games / Re: Roleplaying CCG
« on: January 10, 2009, 04:04:52 PM »
It seems then that the wall we are running up against is our definitions of an RPG. To my mind in order to be classified as an RPG the game does indeed require an inherent element of roleplaying. Also I think that an RPG has a big difference from games like Munchkin in that it is a cooperative experience, I do not play D&D attempting to beat my friends, quite the opposite in fact. No one wins at D&D, the game is played for the journey, not to try and be the victor. I think also that a pen and paper RPG needs to encourage creative problem solving and the option of solving encounters through non-combative methods.

Now in my experience Munchkin assumes first off that everything you do is combative but since that is an element of the parody I'll let that one slide. The place where, for me Munchkin fails to be classified as an RPG is the fact that creativity is neither rewarded nor encouraged. If my level is higher than that of the random card I flipped then I win, at the end of the day Munchkin really is closer to a game like War then it is an RPG.

Munchkin, as I have said does not encourage you to take on the actual role of the character you are playing any more then another card game does. Magic's original conceit was that you played as a might Planeswalker who could pull creatures through the void to fight for you, WoW CCG lets you choose a hero who you use to duel and call allies to fight beside, even a game like Monopoly puts you in the role of a business tycoon attempting to achieve that very monopoly and crush your oponents. If you consider those RPGs then I suppose you could consider Munchkin one as well, to me though those are simply card and board games.

sorry if that got a little muddled, haven't had any coffee yet.

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Books / Re: What are you reading, part 3
« on: January 09, 2009, 04:06:09 PM »
I think that the Alcatraz books at least are going to be a five books series actually, and I am not even sure if the fifth book has been purchased yet. Might be a while before you get them in a boxed set.

Also started in on Adrian Tchakovski's(sp?) Empire of Black and Gold and have to say, it is great. This book might win the award for worst back cover blurb ever but I encourage everyone who likes political fantasy to pick a copy up and give it a try. A very cool story and some very cool characters it has been a great read so far.

Also along with everyone else I am reading through Alcatraz vs the Evil Librarians. I just can't stop laughing, this book is hilarious.

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Role-Playing Games / Re: Roleplaying CCG
« on: January 09, 2009, 04:00:33 PM »
But a video game RPG is very different from a PnP RPG and since this is not the video games forum why would it matter if it is like a video game?

I have played Munchkin plenty of times and never seen any RPG elements (not even the kind from a VGRPG), it is a card game where the main idea is to mess with your friends. It is not however a game where you spend any time developing the personality of your character, distinct from yourself.  In Munchkin (at least in my experience) you are still you whereas in D&D (for example) you take on the role of a character who is distinct from yourself, and interact with other people and the environment from the perspective of that character.

Munchkin is a parody of a lot of the tropes of RPGs but it doesn't actually require or even encourage any actual roleplaying.  I might even go so far as to say that actual roleplaying is actively discouraged in Munchkin, especially once you start mixing games together.

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Video Games / Re: Prince of Persia
« on: January 08, 2009, 11:47:04 PM »
I am playing through it now and enjoying it quite a bit. I have found myself frustrated a few times by certain puzzles where, as was said you can easily "die" dozens of times just because you miss a single button press or are trying to figure out what you need to do next at warp speed since the Prince never really stops moving.  I seriously doubt that I will be going back to find all the light seeds I missed, I am sort of working under the assumption that some of them can't even be acquired until you gain more abilities and I have yet to double back and collect them.

All in all the game is an exciting experience and a ton of fun to play. Even the frustrating moments come with the great sense of accomplishment when you have the timing worked out.

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Rants and Stuff / Re: PDA/Blackberry
« on: January 08, 2009, 11:28:12 PM »
I use a Dell Axim Pocket PC. It runs Windows Mobile and will do everything my computer will should I need it to. But mostly I just use it to read books and keep track of my apointments. I got a full keyboard attachement that I can use when I need to write something long but otherewise I can use the stylus and either the character recognizer or the soft keyboard built in.

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Books / Re: Fan Fiction: Good or Evil
« on: January 08, 2009, 11:21:38 PM »
I have read myself some fanfiction. Particularly the stuff based on Disney's Gargoyles where the fan community (with input from the actual creative team) wrote further seasons of the show and wrote a few spinoff series as well. All of which were originally planned by the creators before the series got canceled. I have also read some of the transformers Beast Wars fan fiction. I was a huge fan of that series when it was on and it was nice to see some fans making an effort to write more stories to bring some of the toys into the canon.

I like fanfiction as a way to extend a series, particularly when it is done well. My big problem is that just like with books you have no way of knowing which authors are good without reading them first and whereas in RL the less talented authors don't get published, or at least not for long, fan fics just keep getting written by anyone with a keyboard.

The thing you need to be careful of with fan fiction is when it gets into the erotica area, which to my mind tends to be creepy. I don't really understand what would drive someone to write that stuff but as long as it is clearly labeled so I can avoid it more power to them.


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Books / Re: Clean Urban Fantasy Recommendations
« on: January 08, 2009, 11:08:33 PM »
S'all good, they are decent books and well worth a nod. The OP posted later in the thread that they were looking for adult.

Nothing wrong with tossing some YA or even childrens books on here though and making it a decent list for anyone looking. To that end I would even toss out the Rick Riordan Percy Jackson and the Olympians books which are a fun little read and you can pretty easily get through all four in a day or so. Also I just grabbed Alcatraz vs. the Evil Librarians by Brandon Sanderson (who I am sure we all know) and just can't stop laughing as I read it, it is really clever.

I loved the first of Diane Duane's Wizard books though I think that they dropped off pretty sharply in terms of quality as the series went on. I know I stopped reading when they found out *spoiler*that whales were wizards too. *spoiler* It was just a little to Star Trek 5 for my tastes, but maybe that's just me.

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Role-Playing Games / Re: Roleplaying CCG
« on: January 08, 2009, 10:22:01 PM »
Also not at all.

Munchkin is neither a CCG nor an RPG. While the game does have expansions it is really just a card game. There are no real roleplaying elements to it.


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Books / Re: Clean Urban Fantasy Recommendations
« on: January 08, 2009, 09:50:24 PM »
As a note about the Wizard Heir and the following books they are in the young adult section, and pretty clearly written for a younger audience. Not a lot to challenge an adult in them. I enjoyed the first one, but have to admit that I didn't make it through the second simply because I didn't feel engaged by it.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn Jewelry (and Elantris as well)
« on: January 07, 2009, 07:33:46 PM »
Those are pretty awesome. I am thinking about grabbing an allomantic vial just because they are way too cool. Might need to grab one for the GF as well, once she starts reading the books.

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As a note to the poster, first off when do I get to buy a nice big glossy copy of that? Second aren't copper mistings called Smokers? on th eposter it calls them Copperclouds which is the effect but not the name. Also not loving the Aluminum/Duralumin name of Gnat though I can certainly understand it. And kind of like that Duralumin which was arguably the most potent of the true metals in the original triogy being fundamentaly useless in future books.

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And caught up, that took a long time.

As I was reading I had plenty of comments and questions, most raised by other posts but since I didn't bother to write them down I can't remember most of them.
My new pet theories are both about the Shards (and might need to be restated on that thread assuming it exists at all) but they are:
1. Ruin and Preservation were not two seperate shards but in fact shards of a shard. They were in such perfect balance that it seems strange to me that they could have ever functioned without each other. I expect that the power arrived on the planet and was fractioned through some unknown event (possibly in the moment that Ati and Laras each claimed a portion of it.) This would also explain how, once there was a consiciousness in control of them they were capable of working together. But who knows, I think EUOL said something about us having met 4 shards and since I firmly believe Hoid is one, the pool is another and there is one in Warbreaker (which I have only just started reading) that leaves us only room for one in MB.
2. Hoid is a shard. I suspect that Hoid with his ability to jump worlds (or possibly ability to exist on all worlds at once) is another shard of Adonalsium, possibly even the conciousness and with his power removed he simply has no memory of what he once was. I'll admit a bit of a leap and the character could simply be like Cid for the Final Fantasy games, a nice little in joke for the author and his fans.
3.  Regarding the Seers at the final battle (and in fact a number of the others who fell to the mistsickness) I seem to remember when Elend first figures out the mists snapping people he orders that metals be brought down, but then specifically lists Iron, Steel, Pewter and Tin (IIRC) I got the impression that he only felt it was necessary to get metals into the mistings who had abilities that would be useful in the battle. Really when you have very little time would you care if someone could burn copper? Or really any of the less readily useful metals? Even Zinc and Brass would be fairly useless in that situation since (as Breeze was fond of reminding us) they are not simple powers to use. They require finesse, and finesse comes from training and practice not just from having the power. As for the battle in the Kandra Homeland they had a ton of atium sitting there but did they really have big caches of any other metals? For all we know some of the soldiers (and I hope Demoux) were indeed Mistborn but without the other metals to test how would they, or we know.

Sorry those ran a little long, had a little stream of conciousness moment there.


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I haven't read through all of these posts, or even most of them since it is 45 pages long but I needed to post this.

I just finished Hero of Ages and needed to say thank you. Thank you Mr. Sanderson for an amazing end to an amazing series. It would have been so easy for the ending to fall short of the greatness of this series but it managed to elevate the entire experience. And so thank you.

Ok, enough fanboy gushing, time to go back and read the rest of this thread.

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Books / Re: What are you reading, part 3
« on: January 05, 2009, 06:50:06 PM »
I am just finishing up The Hero of Ages and have to say that it was the most fun book in the series. I have just been flying through it, unable to put it down and happily missing out on sleep to read.

After that I have Empire in Black and Gold by Adrian Tchakovisky which I am really looking forward to.

Right before HoA I tore through Princep's Fury, the 5th book in the Codex Alera which was a bit slow to start but once it kicked in it just flew.

I picked up 7 new books with Christmas GCs so am looking at a nice long run with some exciting new authors to get me through these brutal cold months (-50 outside today, I need to move).

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Role-Playing Games / Re: Roleplaying CCG
« on: January 01, 2009, 02:05:05 AM »
It like any CCG is as much and RPG as you want to make it. You can pretend to be your character as much as you like just like in Magic you can pretend to be a Planeswalker throwing spells around.

As far as I know there hasn't been a full on RPG CCG though there are a couple of games that use regular playing cards as a resolution mechanic.

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