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Brandon Sanderson / Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« on: July 06, 2010, 11:07:07 PM »
Quote from: Aranfan on July 05, 2010, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: Wolfstar on July 05, 2010, 07:04:49 PM
Quote from: Aranfan on July 05, 2010, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: Wolfstar on June 26, 2010, 10:46:27 PM
Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans.  I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.

That might be difficult if relativity holds in Sanderson's cosmology.

Even if it did, wouldn't the story have a chronology from the perspective of Hoid, the Shards, and any other forces involved?

Yes, but those chronologies might have the same things happening in different orders.  If Hoid is getting around FTL and relativity holds, then time travel gets thrown in the mix as well.  Time gets funky on Galactic scales, and Vin could have been in an entirely different galaxy than Lightsong for all we know.

Agreed, but there is so much we don't know that I don't think we can come to that conclusion yet.  For one, we don't know what Hoid's mechanism for traveling is.  I've read some decent theories about him jumping between the 3 Realms and pulling himself out at different locations.  I tend to feel that Relativity in the sense you are implying would break down under such circumstances.

And again, it would all depend on your reference frame.  I've gotten the feel so far that Hoid isn't jumping through time, or, at least, he's not jumping backwards at any point thus far.  If I were less lazy, Id' find annotations and other forum topics to cite and such.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Deus-Ex Machina in Hero of Ages? *Spoilers*
« on: July 06, 2010, 11:00:13 PM »
Quote from: Comatose on July 06, 2010, 04:42:30 AM
Thought I'd take a turn playing devil's advocate,
When Vin takes Zane's atium and uses it, you must remember that Zane had been subtly soothing and rioting her emotions for the whole time he's been around her (at least whenever she wasn't burning copper).  It doesn't say so in the book, but it does in the annotations, and when you reread carefully, you can see where she feels exactly the way Zane would want her to feel, thus, unless Yomen had someone soothing her (which I don't think he did because someone mentioned he had no allomancers other than himself), they aren't really the same scenario.
I don't think her chance at the pewter trick was out of character, I just think that Zane's atium can't be used as a precedent in this argument.

Fair enough ;)

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Deus-Ex Machina in Hero of Ages? *Spoilers*
« on: July 05, 2010, 07:12:54 PM »
You have put a lot of thought into this, and I'm sorry the scene didn't work for you.  I enjoyed it, mostly because Telden sold the scene for me.  But also, this scene isn't without precedent.  She took Zane's false atium, remember?  She even said in that scene "Gee, why would my enemy give me atium?  Oh well." [NOT AN ACTUAL QUOTE!]  Then, when he was destroying her at Keep Venture, she even tried to use it.  Zane had proven wiley enough at that point that he could have in fact poisoned her with it.

Yet she tried anyways.

I had no qualms with this at all.  It felt plenty natural, perhaps even, because I would have been inclined to make the same choice.  But that's a different argument altogether, for I am not Vin, and there are many other choices she made that I would not have throughout the trilogy.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« on: July 05, 2010, 07:04:49 PM »
Quote from: Aranfan on July 05, 2010, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: Wolfstar on June 26, 2010, 10:46:27 PM
Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans.  I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.

That might be difficult if relativity holds in Sanderson's cosmology.

Even if it did, wouldn't the story have a chronology from the perspective of Hoid, the Shards, and any other forces involved?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: THE ________ Peter Ahlstrom.
« on: July 02, 2010, 10:27:27 PM »
The Instinctive Peter Ahlstrom

The Incidental Peter Ahlstrom

The Indistinguishable Peter Ahlstrom

The Incorporated Peter Ahlstrom

I apologize for any repeats, it's been a while since I read the thread.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Breeze's Girlfriend?
« on: July 02, 2010, 10:25:19 PM »
Quote from: Obsessiforge on July 02, 2010, 06:41:55 AM
Maybe Brandon will do retellings of the whole series from her perspective.

and then others!

the timeframe Mistborn 1 told entirely from Elend's perspective. Lots of brooding and stuff. Plus we'd get an in-depth look at how he feels about sparkling in the sun.

wait....

I thought I had to find you and kill you there for about 20 seconds.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn Trilogy Sequel *Spoilers*
« on: July 02, 2010, 10:23:01 PM »
Quote from: Chaos2651 on July 02, 2010, 03:29:43 PM
Quote from: Ari54 on July 02, 2010, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Peter Ahlstrom on July 01, 2010, 07:51:22 PM
Oh, you'll probably get SOMETHING next year. Just not an adult fantasy/cosmere book.

Should I get my chalks ready? :)

Ohhhh I certainly hope so.

I'm thinking probably lenses (I've still only read the 1st one!).

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Deus-Ex Machina in Hero of Ages? *Spoilers*
« on: July 02, 2010, 10:18:47 PM »
Quote from: Fireborn on July 02, 2010, 06:00:22 AM
Yeah, Deus ex Machina is the wrong term.  Out of character is what you're thinking.

Also, and this really bugs me.
Quote from: DarkEnigma on July 01, 2010, 10:07:40 PM
No I haven't faded away.  I just recognize an impasse when I see it, (I still believe that Vin's survival instinct would be stronger than any qualms she might have over hurting someone... particularly if that someone was one of her captors) and perhaps, also, it was a misjudgment on my part to seek out critical assessment this on the author's own website...
Wow, seriously?  I understand not agreeing with someone's opinion, but that's just low.  Inclined to think the author is doing it right?  Yes.  Automatically blocking out everything that criticizes the work?  NO.


Aye, I enjoy Brandon's writing to an extreme, and I respect his craft more than anything, yet I have criticism of his work.  A decent list, even.  This matter, however, isn't one of them.  Do I think that this was Vin's first choice?  Of course not.  And you can even see in the scene (which I just reread last night as part of my rereading of the trilogy now that all the annotations are done) she was very certain at first that she was not going to drink the wine, from either cup.

Honestly, I think Telden was the key more than anything.  If he hadn't reminded Vin of an earlier Elend, I don't think she would have gone for it.  He charmed her, and his honestly struck her, so she went with it.

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Dan Wells / Re: Buy Dan Bacon?
« on: June 29, 2010, 03:07:03 AM »
It's like... meatloaf, comprised completely of bacon...

*mouthwater*

Awesome!

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Deus-Ex Machina in Hero of Ages? *Spoilers*
« on: June 29, 2010, 03:04:59 AM »
I, for one, have never read an ending I've enjoyed more than Hero of Ages.  Sure, it wasn't the ending I wanted, but it was the best ending.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« on: June 29, 2010, 03:03:05 AM »
We know so little about him it's hard to tell, isn't it?  I would ask "What do we actually know?" but I believe there is at least one thread already devoted to that, just for Hoid, and another for Adonalsium/The Shards.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Deus-Ex Machina in Hero of Ages? *Spoilers*
« on: June 29, 2010, 01:00:33 AM »
I have to agree with Chaos.  She might not yet have run out of options, but she was coming close.  It had been days.  Honestly, I think being drugged and knocked out would be better than being locked up with Ruin jabbering in your head.  It would be enough to make one crazy.  *twitch*  Like Zane.  *twitch twitch*

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« on: June 26, 2010, 10:46:27 PM »
Quote from: Valkynphyre on June 26, 2010, 03:56:52 PM
Quote from: Peter Ahlstrom on June 26, 2010, 12:19:14 AM
And Adonalsium shatters near the beginning of the larger story.

OOoo!! so, he already shattered.

Yep, hence Ruin and Preservation and Endowment and everyone else we've seen so far and don't have names for as of yet, haha.

Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans.  I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« on: June 25, 2010, 11:13:45 PM »
I thought I had heard from either a blog post or this forum somewhere that The Stormlight Archive is somewhere around the middle of the larger story Brandon has created.

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Howard Tayler / Re: The name's Tagon. Kaff Tagon.
« on: June 21, 2010, 01:47:24 AM »
Quote from: ryos on February 02, 2010, 05:31:54 AM
Is it me, or is Tagon channeling Bond? The formalwear, the consorting with married women, the jumping off balconies...

Kudos to Howard for using the lack of magic carbonan to ramp up the tension on something not involving bullets. Tagon jumping around the inside of a rotating space station—the dude's nuts. Remember how Schlock got smeared upon landing in Credomar?

If I were a betting man, I'd bet that the perp he's chasing isn't a thief or anything sinister. Betcha he's just a punk kid running some crazy centrifugal zero-gee parkour.

Well whatdoya know... you were right!

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