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I would like to say that I was completely right about Sazed being the Hero of Ages, and that the hints that the Hero of Ages should be tall were both the original form of the prophecies and also completely true.  It was this that made me think of him as the HoA in the first book (during the post-WoA readthrough, of course).

Mistborn can't be over--the very ending is a beginning for a continuation. Think about it: a new world, a new god, no rulers, no laws.

You see, i think that Preservation and Ruin were merely lesser deities. How can we know this? well, we still don't know where the prophecies originated from. It couldn't have been from Ruin--because he wouldn't alter his own writing. Nor Preservation, because he would have the sense to write it in metal, or atleast know that writing the prophecies was pointless. Another thing, Ruin would have tried to kill or control Sazed, and Preservation would have confronted him in the shape of the mist spirit...they did not. I wonder if they even had a clue.

Perhaps they were the SonGods of a Father Deity. Perhaps just Gods of the world amongst other gods of other worlds. Or universes. I just don't believe they were the top most gods.

They might not have even been gods. Sazed said it himself. They were the two aspects that a god would have. So if they weren't god, and just powerful beings...who is God?

No, this is definitely not over.


Oops! almost forgot. Since Dear Vin did infact merge with the mist, i will be expecting my dubbing soon.

You make several good points.  Unfortunately, you also seemed to have missed some pretty important world-building tidbits that EUOL dropped for us in this thread.  I'm just saying that if you go back and read closely, you'll get some vocabulary and ideas that will make your ideas fit what Brandon has said much better.  Your basis isn't completely crazy.

So, what's everyone's favorite and least favorite plot twist?

I think my favorite twist was finding out that the 1st generation Kandra were Rashek's fellow packmen. With the other Feruchemists being the original Mistwraiths. Didn't see that one. I had figured they turned on him or something but couldn't figure out why or what happened. So yeah. Favorite twist.

Least favorite is a toss up between finding out about the Resolution, because I didn't want them all to "commit suicide" (though the way it happened was coo), and when Vin became a demigod, since that's when I figured they were going to die. Or at least be separated. Again, when it happened, it was in a cool way (Vin saying You shouldn't have killed Elend. You see, he was the only reason I had left to live. – shivers; she's deadly and you give her no reason to live? Foolish Ruin).

And I say demigod because Ruin and Preservation were limited. They couldn't create without working together, so they weren't all powerful.


This is besides finding out that I was right about Sazed and Snapping. I was doing a happy dance the whole book because of that.

In most ancient religions, the gods were typically not all-powerful.  EUOL's usage is perfectly standard.

OK, that book was awesome.

I strongly suspected that Sazed was the HoA.  He just fit what little we did know.  Much of the foreshadowing was in Final Empire, actually.  His height was the first thing that jumped out at me when I started looking, probably because the comments about the Hero's height was the first annotation that I noticed had been changed by Ruin (something bugged me about it on the first reading, and so it stuck out even more on the second when I knew the answer).

Incidentally, when talking about style---the style of the bumps was done extremely well.  After the second chapter, I thought---reluctantly---that it was Rashek, but it still seemed off.  After the third, I was even less certain.  Somehow in those short chunks, EUOL managed to convey Sazed's personality, divorcing it from Rashek effectively.  I knew, rock solid certain, that Sazed was the HoA when I ran into the line "I am, unfortunately, the only leader they have," (paraphrased, I can't find it.)  From then on, the connection was easy.

And the revelation that Koloss were not just made from humans in the distant past, but actually constructed from real humans in the present---that was just plain terrifying. 

The relationship between Ruin and Preservation reminded me of the Purposes in David Edding's work, except frankly I like Ruin and Preservation better.  Their "game" was a no-holds-barred real fight, where either "player" would gladly cheat if it gave them an advantage.  Much more raw, I felt, and thus in many ways more immediate.  And a "game" it was, a game which makes chess look like tic-tac-toe, a game in which Preservation tricked Ruin into using Vin as a pawn, a move which succeeded for Preservation (and backfired on Ruin spectacularly) although it was really close.

OK, I need to get to work.  Hopefully we'll see more theories popping up soon.

My only real question at the moment:  What happened to the Kandra?

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I has a theory.  So this kinda goes back to the mist being one of the metals.  What if the Chromium was in the mist which hinders everyone's powers and that's why not everyone can burn metals and burning Nichromel gives you the power to burn metal.  This would explain why Elend could burn it even though he wasn't an Allomancer.  This would make them opposites, fit them into the chart.

Also the burning the mists could have been directing the power of the Chromium against TLR making him weaker, not Vin stronger.  So you get rid of the mist and everyone can burn metals, but those with Nichromel can burn better and stronger. 

Th. Nichromel would be passed through blood, showing how it's inherited, it could be similar to a chromium deficiency only difference being it'd be backwards and with Nichromel.

Would this mean that before the Ascension, everybody was capable of Allomancy?

That would be the mother of all twists.  It would be really cool, actually.  Unfortunately, I think that something as basic as that would have survived in skaa tradition. and that Alendi would have compared Feruchemy to Allomancy even if Allomancy was universal (e.g. he would have said that the Terrismen became stronger than even a man flaring pewter.)

Yeah, I think something like that would have survived for at least a thousand years.  Quite a theory though.  A couple days and we'll see.

TLR had a lot of power he could have stomped it out.

Even if TLR did stamp it out, Alendi would still probably have compared Feruchemy and Allomancy.  Even if it was perfectly normal to burn metals, surely the comparison would have come up.  In such a world, most people would still not have had access to metals at all times, and so it would still have been a magic system.  In addition, the supply lists would have certainly included all the allomantic metals as part of the basic needs; in such a world, who would go anywhere without pewter for the soldiers, at the very least?

Perhaps even more important, the Keepers would surely have remembered something as basic as that.  TLR didn't control absolutely everything.  With 300+ religions still in memory and knowledge of flowers floating around, surely something as universal as that would have slipped through.

Yeah, I had mentioned that it was weird that Brandon made up two of the metals, when everything else existed IRL.

As far as spawning in one place, I believe this is only mentioned in a conversation between Kelsier and Ham, so it is possible that it spawns other locations. According to Wiki, Chromium in it's native form is rare, with a mine in Russia being the only one listed. I know there are other metals concentrated in certain geographic areas, so Atium forming naturally in one area is not unheard of.

Contracts. There is obviously something more to this story, however it could be something as simple as trying to keep as much out of TLR's hands as possible or because it is easier to hold one Atium nugget than a huge purse full of coins. If they really needed the atium, I don't see why they wouldn't just find a way to sneak into the Pits of Hathsin and get it themselves. They could eat some guard and prisoner bodies or something and being natively blind might locate it much easier than Skaa could.

It's perfectly possible that they do need the atium for something, that the Mistborn of old knew why and that part of the deal they made with humanity was that the atium they needed would be supplied to them in exchange for the services provided, as we have seen.

Remember: humans (with mistborn) had the upper hand in the negotiations.

Yeah, I'm not sure what I think. Atium and Malatium aren't real world metals like the rest, so it lends itself to TLR creating his own. However, I thought that Atium existed prior to TLR because it was part of his bracers.

Maybe he created it just so he could make the bracers out of them.