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In fact I don't think Elhokar realises his own power yet, as he hasn't made any references to Shadesmar or weird soulcasting things going on around him yet, though that might be because he can hide it very well. But then, if he knew what was happening, would he reveal to others that he can see the line spren?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that he has realised his power, the suggestion is that he has in some way used it without realizing, to create an effect he hasn't even noticed, either on the ride to the battle or in the battle itself.

Untill one of the interviews told us that Dalinor is going to be the main character of a future book which may or may not be the next book I thought that we had a high likelihood of Szeth killing Dalinor (Adolin could take his role), but Szeth's encounter with Dalinor pretty much has to happen in the next book, and if Dalinor may be the main character of it, or if not will be the main character of a future book, that sounds like his death is not going to happen soon.

I guess we can take this as confirmation that Harakeke is dead on with the so far posted translation. Sorry for doubting you, epicness.

I've translated all of the first page so far, and parts of the second.  The results are quite shocking, though perhaps not unexpected.  It definitely explains why Syl has such a dislike for Shardplate.

It was actaully Dalinor's shardblade that Syl disliked, not his shardplate (middle of page 981). And we haven't yet seen proof that shardplate uses/is any sort of fabrial.

Also, can we ask how sure you are on your translation?

I thought the gift was losing memories of his wife, until just now on my re-read, page 859: "Would that day never stop haunting him? Was not losing all memory of his wife enough?"

If we go for a 20 foot gap, and have the pushing bridgemen lean with half their weight, when the 30 foot bridge is about to be accross:

5 *2000g = 10000g

10000g / 8 = 1250g

Each bridgeman exerts 100g with his lean, so, rounding it up, 13 bridgemen leaning on it with half their weight. (this is assuming that the effective force of their lean can be taken to be two foot from the edge of the bridge)

The lighter gravity matters only if they're pushing it down as opposed to leaning on it to hold it down, as if they're leaning on it, then the lighter gravity means their lean exerts a weaker force as well, also, generally leaning exerts a greater force than pushing.



Bassically for it not to fall the Dwnward force F (exerted by the bridgemen) multiplied by the distance z has to be equal to or greater than the weight of the bridge w multiplied by the distance x, where the distance x is the distance from the middle of the bridge to the edge of the plateau it's being pushed out from.

Let's say that the bridgemen lean on it to put half their weight on it and lets postulate that they weigh about 100 pounds, the bridge weighs 2000 pounds and is 30 foot long and they're trying to push it accross a 25 foot casm.

When the bridge touches the other side they'll have 5 foot of it left, and lets say their downward force is effectively a foot in from the edge meaning they have 4 foot of distance from downward force to edge of casm.

The bridge will currently have it's middle 10 foot out, thereby exerting a moment of 2000 pounds x 10 foot x g (where g is the appropriate gravitational constant) so, 20000g

If we divide 20000g by 4 we get 5000g, that would mean 50 bridge men exerting 100g each to stop it from falling as it reaches the other side.

Maybe they could lean a bit more, three quarters of their weight, 5000g/150g = 33 and a third bridge men, or 34 as we don't have thirds of men lying around.

Not sure how 34 bridge mena re going to crowd around it and manage to lean a third of their weight on the thing...

I'm thinking our casms are probably narrower.

Quote from: Rhuan on September 15, 2010, 05:56:59 PM

A bit of a jump back in the conversation, but I recall we were discussing bridges being 50 feet long, When Kaladin first sees a bridge on page 101 it is said to be around 30 feet long.

Well, considering inkthinker was talking about the longest gaps they'd be seeing at 25 feet, this doesnt really hinder too much. In fact, it makes it a bit easier in the bridges not being so unwieldy.

But they wouldn't be able to push a 30 foot bridge out accross a gap 25 feet without it toppling, not easily anyway...