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Brandon Sanderson / Re: WOT Help
« on: March 13, 2009, 10:10:53 AM »
When did the Do say Graendal is Nae`blis? I wasn`t aware he made anyone Nae`blis before Isha`maels reappearance as Moridin, although in the prologue of LoC, he asks Demandred: WOULD YOU BE NAE`BLIS? (exact quote)
Somewhat later, but I think still in LoC, Sammael finally gained the upper hand on Greandal by more or less suggesting the DO promised him that he would be NaeŽblis. To me, this suggests the DO suggested to all Forsaken they might be Nae`blis. This ties into what he said in the LoC prologue - the Chosen dwindle, the weak fall away - let`s face it, the Shadow seems to believe in a survival of the fittest and it`s been said that in the AoL, the DO encouraged the competition among the Forsaken on the basis that the strongest would survive. I can`t quote it, though; I don`t remember where that was.
So I would guess the DO thought it was about time time to cause a more intense competition among the Forsaken, to counter Rand gaining in strength, knowledge and power (and besides, since he forbade them to attack Rand, he needed something to occupy the Forsaken with).
As to Asmodean... THOSE WHO BETRAY ME SHALL DIE THE FINAL DEATH. Shall. This sounds pretty much like intention to me, and the rest like regret the DO can`t resurrect Rahvin due to him being balefired. And after all, what do you think how long the DO would remain ignorant Asmodean betrayed him? Not terribly long, I think. And I`m pretty sure he wouldn`t be pleased at all. And that Asmodean got in that situation because Lanfear overwhelmed him ony serves to prove his weakness. Anyway, it doesn`t really matter, I think. Either the DO can`t resurrect him or he doesn`t want to. Same result.
IŽm pretty sure Graendal killed Asmodean, because as has been said, there was a conspiracy between Lanfear, Graendal, Rahvin and Sammael. Lanfear and Rahvin are accounted for. Sammael was supposed to sit in Illian and it`s been said he`s a defender, so he likely wouldnŽt have sneaked around in Caemlyn. This leaves Graendal. Why should RJ have brought her into this conspiracy? Three linked Forsaken would have been enough to overwhelm Rand, I think. But I guess being in the conspiracy let Graendal know or guess where Rahvin was. Given the constant rivalry among the Forsaken, I find it quite likely that Graendal was undercover in Caemlyn, trying to find out more about Rahvin`s doings to get a hold on him or maybe even find a way to kill him.
Later we`ve been told Graendal would abandon what she has and flee if she would otherwise face a direct confrontation, so her hiding once Rand and the Aiel attack would make sense as well. Then Asmodean stumbles across her and she just uses the chance to kill him because she knows he`s a betrayer and maybe the DO even told Graendal to do it (just that Demandred didn`t seem to know at the prologue of LoC doesn`t prove anything; it`s quite likely the DO tells different Forsaken different things).
Well, we`ll find out in AMoL.
Somewhat later, but I think still in LoC, Sammael finally gained the upper hand on Greandal by more or less suggesting the DO promised him that he would be NaeŽblis. To me, this suggests the DO suggested to all Forsaken they might be Nae`blis. This ties into what he said in the LoC prologue - the Chosen dwindle, the weak fall away - let`s face it, the Shadow seems to believe in a survival of the fittest and it`s been said that in the AoL, the DO encouraged the competition among the Forsaken on the basis that the strongest would survive. I can`t quote it, though; I don`t remember where that was.
So I would guess the DO thought it was about time time to cause a more intense competition among the Forsaken, to counter Rand gaining in strength, knowledge and power (and besides, since he forbade them to attack Rand, he needed something to occupy the Forsaken with).
As to Asmodean... THOSE WHO BETRAY ME SHALL DIE THE FINAL DEATH. Shall. This sounds pretty much like intention to me, and the rest like regret the DO can`t resurrect Rahvin due to him being balefired. And after all, what do you think how long the DO would remain ignorant Asmodean betrayed him? Not terribly long, I think. And I`m pretty sure he wouldn`t be pleased at all. And that Asmodean got in that situation because Lanfear overwhelmed him ony serves to prove his weakness. Anyway, it doesn`t really matter, I think. Either the DO can`t resurrect him or he doesn`t want to. Same result.
IŽm pretty sure Graendal killed Asmodean, because as has been said, there was a conspiracy between Lanfear, Graendal, Rahvin and Sammael. Lanfear and Rahvin are accounted for. Sammael was supposed to sit in Illian and it`s been said he`s a defender, so he likely wouldnŽt have sneaked around in Caemlyn. This leaves Graendal. Why should RJ have brought her into this conspiracy? Three linked Forsaken would have been enough to overwhelm Rand, I think. But I guess being in the conspiracy let Graendal know or guess where Rahvin was. Given the constant rivalry among the Forsaken, I find it quite likely that Graendal was undercover in Caemlyn, trying to find out more about Rahvin`s doings to get a hold on him or maybe even find a way to kill him.
Later we`ve been told Graendal would abandon what she has and flee if she would otherwise face a direct confrontation, so her hiding once Rand and the Aiel attack would make sense as well. Then Asmodean stumbles across her and she just uses the chance to kill him because she knows he`s a betrayer and maybe the DO even told Graendal to do it (just that Demandred didn`t seem to know at the prologue of LoC doesn`t prove anything; it`s quite likely the DO tells different Forsaken different things).
Well, we`ll find out in AMoL.
). She is a little bit like Cadsuane, insofar as she doesn`t spend much time in the White Tower - she`s usually somewhere at the Blightborder, fighting the Blight - and often goes her own way. But she never bludgeones others into doing what she wants them to do unless it`s a really dangerous situation.