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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Rights For Spren!!!! (minor spoilers)
« on: October 16, 2010, 03:51:41 PM »
The intelligence may come from a mutual bonding, not a forced one. In fact, I'm sure of it, as Syl gets her power from the honour of Kaladin. If she was forced to bond someone without honour, her intellect would not change.

Who says fabriels force bonds?

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Rights For Spren!!!! (minor spoilers)
« on: October 15, 2010, 08:15:35 PM »
Keep in mind, the Spren Studiers proved that you had to actually observe and measure the spren. Just writing down a random number didn't work. So at one point that superspren did all the actions that it does now, and someone wrote it down. And now it's stuck. 

True. Which means the original story or tale probably did have some seed of truth. But the exact nature and details about this superspren almost have to come from it being expected and measured.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Atium Crystals *Minor Spoilers*
« on: October 15, 2010, 05:36:05 PM »
If I remember right, none of the metals are addictive until you hit savant status, when they all become so. It doesn't make a lot of sense for a coinshot to get the desire to push on things all the time, but if they had Inquisitor-like Pushing ability they would probably get hooked on the added perception.

As for Kelsier getting metals to escape, one of the reasons the Pits of Hathsin are where they are is because of all the metal in the ground. On top of that, there is a lot of atium going around the place. All it would take is for Kelsier to Snap, use a bit of trace iron to pull a bead of atium to himself, and things get crazy.
I admit I wondered the exact same thing on my first read through. I wondered how he had all his metals. But really it makes sense that he just got a hold of some atium. Depending on how much he had that's really all he would need to take out the entire guard post.

Exactly. Elend's army showed that atium is all it takes. Considering he just Snapped, he wouldn't know how to use the metals very well anyway. He surely burned some trace ones, but atium is enough.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Rights For Spren!!!! (minor spoilers)
« on: October 15, 2010, 01:30:39 AM »
Probably to balance out the material that was used to create the spren 1 giant one 1000s tiny of ones. Or maybe, following those people who measured spren, someone had defined it so that it stayed the same size and always appeared at the same time.

That's interesting. I wonder if a long time ago, some random fisherman made up a story about the bay (or just exaggerated a story), about a giant wave-like spren, and over the years, as people moved into the bay, and the details and story got fleshed out, the spren was locked into the same size and routine. Heck, maybe the fisherman saw a huge wave, and enough mystery and folklore got attached to the story a spren popped up.

I wonder how many spren got assigned to their object/force/emotion because people expected them to be tied to it, and so they "measured" it. Maybe that's why intoxicationspren are inconsistent. Whats-his-name hasn't worked everything out or spread the word.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Rights For Spren!!!! (minor spoilers)
« on: October 14, 2010, 01:12:40 AM »
Sorry, I was speaking in-world. Other than the Horneaters and now Kaladin (possibly Bridge 4), no one believes spren are intelligent.

And I would point out that it wasn't until Syl was bonded to Kaladin for a while that she really achieved sapience. So perhaps bonding spren with fabriels and gems helps them to grow and evolve.

If you want an intelligent spren, look at Syl, or the truthspren that follow Shallan around.

We have suspicion, and that is enough to tell us that we must at least take precautions. We should at least phase out the use of parshmen and chull's to protect us from any unexpected revolution. In addition, we have our cheif researcher (Jasnah) building evidence to support our case. It will not be long before we have proof to decide whether they are guilty or not.

And what would they do with the Parshmen and Chulls? They couldn't survive on their own. Investigation is needed, and precautions should be taken, but they can't just be phased out and abandoned.

A civilised man must still be wise. Just because we believe in innocence before guilt, doesn't mean we can't be cautious.

Very true. But killing off all the chasmfiends or chulls or parshmen/Parshendi, just in case, is far beyond being cautious.

No, I actually think Brandon forgot he'd put Cultivation's name in the book. :)

 ;D Awesome.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Atium Crystals *Minor Spoilers*
« on: October 13, 2010, 03:37:33 PM »
And to add to Kykeon, she may be suffering from Allomancy withdrawals. I'm sure you would get them. Something you have been using your whole is suddenly gone, wouldn't you undergo withdrawals. She would probably do just about anything to burn some tin.

I could see allomancy withdrawals in tineyes or pewterarms. But not in most Mistings. A coinshot might be constantly thinking "Man, if only...", or try to burn steel to search for metals simply out of reflex, but I don't think they'd get the shakes or irresistible cravings.

But yeah, Mare could have been jonesing for some tin.

I thought it was pretty amusing that Brandon had forgotten that he'd given us Cultivation's name, in these big book series, it must be pretty easy to forget minor things.  (Case in point: There is a climatic battle scene at the end of Robert Jordan's Winter Heart, but with all the characters around, he completely forgotten to mention the position of one of the minor ones, Erian.)

Did you read the transcript, or listen to the interview? Because when I listened to it, it sounded like he was faking ignorance. He knew where they got Cultivation's name.

Minor WoT spoilers: Jordan didn't just forget a minor character, he forgot to mention Semirhage.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Rights For Spren!!!! (minor spoilers)
« on: October 09, 2010, 01:05:52 AM »
Spren should be free to choose who they want to bond to. Is it a world of amazing technology, if the system is based on slavery of a population. With freedom will come even better technology. Instead of fabrials, we will have Knights Radiants!! Think of the glory!!

Spren can't choose. It takes a measure of intelligence to make a true choice. Except for a few unconfirmed cases, no spren has ever displayed the intelligence of an axehound, a chull, nor even a chicken!

Spren are only ever seen near the things they are attracted to or responsible for (depending on one's position in that debate). Let's say, for the sake of argument, that spren do possess some type of sentience, or even sapience. Who is to say spren aren't free to choose who or what they bond to? If gems attract spren, then (as I have said before) the spren must benefit in some way.

I don't see any outcry over the "imprisonment" of Stormlight within fabriels or gems. After all, what merchant or moneylender would want anything to threaten the vital service they offer when recharging dun spheres.

Anyway, on the Greatshell debate, I have reason to believe (though to proof) that they may be related to Thunderclasts and voidbinding. If that is the case then we should not be afraid to cull them. Take Chull's for example. They seem docile, and we really on them for pulling great weights, but if suddenly some force was able to change them, make them hateful, then they would be deadly. Think of the parshmen/parshendi/voidbringer relation.

Innocent until proven guilty. It seems strange that a civilized and progressive man such as yourself would forget such a basic concept.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Rights For Spren!!!! (minor spoilers)
« on: October 08, 2010, 10:14:07 PM »
Likely they'll try requiring permits to own or use chulls. An individual would be forced to demonstrate they know how to care for them, and treat them ethically before owning beasts of burden. Obviously, each applicant would be judged by a council of merchants, keeping any aspiring entrepreneur from competing with the already-established and approved businesses.

It figures. Just as we are at the dawn of a new age of wonderful technology, with boundless possibilities of prosperity and freedoms to follow, those afraid of change will use any method they can to maintain their grip on the world.

Rights for spren indeed.  ::)

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Rights For Spren!!!! (minor spoilers)
« on: October 08, 2010, 04:20:47 PM »
Recently, a theory has been circulating that implies that Greatshell beasts, such as chasmfiends, imprison spren inside their gemhearts in order help carry their bulky exoskeleton. (What sort of spren do you think they are? Strengthspren? Wildspren?) There have been sightings of strange spren surrounding dying Chasmfiends. Could these be the spren freed from their imprisonment in a gemheart?

If this rumour is true, action must be taken!!

And here the hypocrisy comes out. You would kill a living breathing animal simply to "free" a force of nature? What's next, killing skyeels because they move by "enslaving" windspren?

I suspect this petition is sponsored not by caring individuals who want a full investigation into the ethical treatment of spren, but by a coalition of merchants and businessmen who wish to ban fabriels out of greed. Without soulcast food and materials, we would be forced to rely on them for everything we ever use. Instead of instant and effective communication by spanreed, we'd go back to the days of sending letters by-surprise!-merchants.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Thunderclasts *WoK Spoilers*
« on: October 08, 2010, 12:02:11 AM »
You couldn't walk to Urithiru, sorry, Stormblessed.

That was me. My bad. I knew it was supposed to be out west, I guess I just got ahead of myself.

Although, technically you can't walk the Shattered Plains either. What with all the chasms and all.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Who has read The Way of Kings (minor spoilers)
« on: October 07, 2010, 04:42:01 PM »
I did! ...Oh wait.

I agree with Stormblessed. It was a nice catch on Shallan. I'm pretty sure Adolin and Renarin have both heard it once (I thought I remembered reading that anyway). Sadeas might have heard it, if only to see what Gavilar was so obsessed with, and surely he looked it up after Dalinar started hearing it faithfully.

I'm sure just about everyone has heard extracts. It's probably somewhat like the bible, where everyone knows a few phrases or "verses". Most people seem to know it supposedly puts darkeyes above lighteyes, so I'd assume everyone has at least heard a few out-of-context sentences. Everyone learned, at least.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Thunderclasts *WoK Spoilers*
« on: October 07, 2010, 04:30:12 PM »
Anyone else considered that this could be why the shattered plains exist? ;)

Wasn't the Shattered Plains once the site of a great city/nation? Maybe during a desolation something happened involving voidbinding and thunderclasts which shattered the earth and created the plateaus.


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Thunderclasts *WoK Spoilers*
« on: October 06, 2010, 04:06:54 PM »
I pictured them made of black stone, huge, and somewhat like this:

...but with hands on their forelegs, not hoof-things. No tusks.

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