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Brandon Sanderson / Re: A few questions regarding Mistborn
« on: February 18, 2011, 06:38:48 AM »
I think it was mentioned that the Lord Ruler attends balls on occasion, but has not for some time.

Elariel's export is never mentioned.  I know this, because, for the mistborn RP, I play house Elariel, and I looked up every instance that the word 'Elariel' appears in all three books.  What I did learn, is that the Elariels have many cousin houses, including the Houses Habren, Seeris, and Patreson.  The only part of their keep that is described is the ball room.

For the purposes of the RP, Elariel is a buying and selling house, based on an empire of lesser houses each with their own specialty, while Elariel itself has spread it's money out into a number of different fields.  We just made that up though, since it is never mentioned in the books, so you can do that for yourself.

Rants and Stuff / Re: New Official Unofficial TWG holiday! (details inside)
« on: December 17, 2010, 06:48:25 PM »
Oh no!  He's on to our antics.  Quick scatter!  (Hides behind potted plant).  RAFO

Writing Group / Re: Writing Prompts!
« on: December 17, 2010, 02:19:40 PM »
Brandon's Dialogue Challenge
(Not sure if this is the correct place, but it seemed to fit the best, and I didn't want to make another topic)

According to Plan
Matthew Wiens
(1483 words)

“A gentleman knocks before entering his sister‘s room.  Especially at these hours.  He also uses the door.”

“I don’t believe it.  You planned this from the beginning, didn’t you.  Mikhail, my date, the wine.  You planned it from the start.”

“Aaron, it’s late, get some rest.  We can talk about this in the morning.  We have a big day ahead of us.  You especially, being the new heir…”

“I didn’t want this!  I never asked for this.  What made you think you could do this?  These are people’s lives we are talking about, Daerra.  This isn’t one of your little games.  Two people are dead!  And it’s because of you.”

“Aaron, I can tell you are upset, but don’t you think we should leave this until morning.  You can rest, think things through.  Then we’ll talk about it, I promise.”

“Damn it Daerra!  We’re talking about this now.  What were you thinking?  How could you… how could you do this?  Stop brushing your hair and listen to me when I’m talking to you!”

“Fine, I’m listening.  What is it you want to say?”

“I want… why?  Why would you do this?”

“Why would I do what?  You’ll have to be more specific.”

“This isn’t a game Daerra… this is serious.”

“And I’m being serious.  What exactly are you so angry about?”

“What do you think I’m angry about?  My cousin is dead, stabbed in the chest by the woman I was dancing with tonight, and you are the bloody cause of it all!”

“You forgot to mention I made you heir.”

“Enough!  You can’t just play with people like this.  Two people are dead because of you.  Does that not make you feel guilty?”

“Not really, no.  What?  In case you’ve forgotten, this has been the plan from the beginning.  You know I never intended Mikhail to inherit.”

“And when were you planning on filling me in on these plans?”

“You’ve known from the start, silly.  Now, I just have to work on father and uncle.  Claudia will be important as well, but I should have her wrapped around my finger soon enough.  I think we should start by…”

“Stop it.  We’re not done with this.  You can’t just walk away from this Daerra.  You killed two people.”

“Did I?  I see no blood on my hands.  Last I checked, your little lady friend…”

“She’s nothing to me.  I told you that as soon as I found out…”

“I know, I was teasing, but last I checked, she’s the one who plunged that dagger into our dear cousin, Mikhail’s chest.  She’s the one who got herself beheaded for her crime.”

“But you made it happen.  You set her up.   I don’t know what you told her to make her do your dirty work for you, but…”

“But what?  You’re free Aaron.  That horrid woman will never bother you again, and she took Mikhail down with her.  She was unstable anyways, she probably would have gotten herself executed before the year was out anyways.  If anyone deserved death, it’s her.”

“And Mikhail, did he deserve to die?”

“Mikhail was an obstacle.  I had him removed.”

“You say it like it’s simple.  Like he’s just a chair or table.  He’s your cousin, Daerra!  Or had you forgotten that?”

“Do you really think he wouldn’t have done the same to me, had our positions been reversed?”

“Mikhail was always loyal to his family…”

“Loyal, yes, but not ambitious?  Hardly.  Had our father not gotten himself stricken from the succession, it would have been him plotting against you.”

“And what would you have been doing?”

“Keeping your pretty little head on your shoulders, dear brother.  What are big sisters for?”

“Last I checked, we’re twins, and I’m at least three inches taller.”

“Very funny.  Now, can we get some rest?  The factions are going to be in an uproar over this, and I’ll need to be fully recovered to deal with things.  I just know father is going to try to have me shipped off again.  He thinks I have too much influence over you already.  Now that you are first in line… well, things certainly won’t be boring.”

“And if I don’t want to be the heir?  Did you ever think, for a moment when you were concocting this brilliant plan of yours that I wouldn’t want what you offered?”

“Of course.  When uncle passes away, you’ll inherit, and when the moment is right, you can abdicate in favour of me.  A faction or two might try something, but I’m sure I can handle them.”

“I still can’t believe it.”


“You.  You’re acting like all you’ve done is reorganize some furniture or something.”

“Sometimes furniture has to be reorganized for a room to work properly.”

“That not my point, and you know it.  It’s like I’m seeing you for the first time.  You know, I always thought you were joking.  I mean, I thought all that succession stuff was just some game, like the kind we used to play as kids.  I knew you were competent, Daerra, but I never thought you were capable of this.”

“You thought my life’s work was some sort of joke?  That I wasn’t serious?  Maybe you are seeing me for the first time.”

“You’ve changed everything, you know.  Forever.”

“I know.  I fail to see why that’s a bad thing.”

“Why didn’t you tell me?”

“Tell you what?  That I wasn’t joking about my life-long dream?  I guess that just never occurred to me.”

“No, not that.  About the plan.  About tonight.  You played me Daerra.  You played me, just like you played everyone else.  You used me.”

“Aaron, it’s not like that.  I…”

“You used me Daerra.  I thought we were supposed to be a team.”

“We are.  I just thought… I just thought you wouldn’t understand.  That you’d panic.”

“Of course.  Because I’m such an airhead.  Good if something needs to be stolen, but if there’s plotting to be done, I’m just some sort of liability.”

“Aaron, you know I don’t think that.  I… I made a mistake.  I’m sorry…”

“Don’t play me.  You think I can’t see through you?  I’m not some pawn in one of your games, Daerra.  I’m your brother.  I know you better than anyone.  You know you can trust me, so stop keeping me at arm’s reach.”

“This isn’t easy for me, you know.”

“I didn’t think it would be.”

“Aaron… I… I shouldn’t have kept this from you.  I should have trusted you.  I know that.  It’s just, things happened so fast, and I didn’t know what to do.  I had a plan.   After all these years of plotting, I had a plan.  I just wanted it to succeed so badly that I… that I kept it from the one person who could have made sure it went through without a hitch.  I really am sorry Aaron.  I promise I’ll never keep anything like this from you again.  Okay?”

“You know, it’s the strangest thing.  I can’t even tell if you’re being sincere anymore.  I used to see the way you smiled at people.  The way you made your eyes sparkle at someone you couldn’t stand, or the way you could blush or cry on command.  And I would think to myself, man, she’s got them played.  They’ll never see it coming until it’s too late.  But I always knew that at least I knew the real you.  The one that felt insecure sometimes, the one who had my back, and the one that kept me in check.  I knew my sister.  And now, now I’m not sure where she is.  If she’s gone, or lost, or whatever.  Now, all I see is what everyone else sees.”


“You still don’t get it, do you?  Two people are dead because of you, Daerra.  They’re gone.  Forever.  Our lives will never be the same.  And you don’t feel anything.”


“Save it.  Save it for someone who’s still fooled by you.  You know, our father always said there was something wrong with you.  I always thought he was wrong.  Now… now I’m not so sure.”

“What are you saying?”

“I’m saying that we’re done here.  If you see me in the morning… how about you just leave me alone.  You have your factions to deal with.  Let them keep you busy.  I’m done with all of this.  I’m going to bed.”

“Aaron I… Fine.  Be a stubborn prick if you want to.  I said I’m sorry.  What do you want me to do?  Bow before you, and kiss your feet?  If tonight has proven anything, it’s that I don’t need you.  I don’t need anyone.  So go ahead and abandon me for all I care.”

“You know what the funny thing is?  If you would have asked just then, even after everything you’ve done, I think I would have forgiven you.”


Brandon Sanderson / Re: Official Typos Thread -- All of Brandon's books
« on: December 17, 2010, 02:15:50 PM »
Chapter 37: Major Continuity Error: Pages 571,589: The Text in Towers of Midnight suggest that Carlinya is dead.  This Directly contradicts Fires of Heaven: TFOH: 26, Sallie Daera, 317: "a raven floating beside her dark hair; more a drawing of the bird than the bird itself. She thought it was a tattoo...".  Min has a viewing of Carlinya becoming Property of the Empress/Seanchan, and this has not happened in the Books (so far).  So: Either 1. witnesses are mistaken about seeing Carlinya die,  2. There are huge as-yet-unforseen Balefire effects, or 3. an Error that will need to rectified in future printings.

The raven is also a symbol for the Dark One and death.  Min wasn't sure what the viewing meant, so she could have just been prophesying Carlinya's death instead. 

Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 10, 2010, 05:38:52 AM »
Here is my understanding of what happened to the Elantrians:

Pre-Reod: Shaod transformed them into silver skinned white haired super beings.
Reod: The most powerful were overwhelmed by the Dor trying to get out through them, and all were changed into blotchy zombies (if the man looked different, dont you think someone would have noticed?  It's his comments that set him apart, not his appearance).
      *Sub point: I believe the Reod was the disaster on Sel spoken of by the epigraph writer who I think is Hoid.
Post Reod: The shaod continues to take change people, but into zombie things.  Aon Dor does not work, and those closest to getting it to do so (Raoden) are overwhelmed with the Dor trying to push through them.
Chasm Line Addition:  The Dor is released, but weaker than it should be (besides the initial surge), and the Elantrians are still unchanged.
The Elantris Aon Rao is repaired: Elantrians are restored to what they were pre-reod.
When Raoden goes to Teod: His power is reduced, but as far as we know his appearance stays exactly the same.  Only the aon's power is weakened.

IT is my conclusion from these events that if the Dor was blocked again, they would revert to zombies.  If the dor was reduced because of distance, they would remain the same in appearance but be unable to use aons.

Thus, if the man in the interlude is Galladon, he is using AonDor, which might work on Roshar (perhaps different planets are not subject to the distance rule, who knows?) or possibly makeup to disguise his Elantrian appearance.

PS:  Why would Raoden have a scar if he has healing abilities?

Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: Shalan - near end of book **SPOILERS**
« on: September 10, 2010, 05:21:15 AM »
She actually had a shardblade,  I thought is was fairly clear.

On the other hand: scars?

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Galivar: "The Parshendi? That makes no sense."
« on: September 10, 2010, 05:19:39 AM »
But he was expecting an assassination before that, hence getting ready with Sadeus.  I don't think they had enough to get ready  from scratchafter the first alarm was raised,  I think they had plans laid already as a contingency.  He thought someone else was trying to kill him for the sphere, and was surprised when the parshendi did it (if they did).

I think the ghostbloods area good guess.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: The curse and the blessing (WoK Spoilers)
« on: September 07, 2010, 01:23:42 AM »
He could just be worried about what Renarin would think of him making himself forget his own wife.
I think the curse and the wish could be the same thing.  A man in one of the interludes talks about hoping to avoid a curse by wording his wish right, which implies when some people word their's wrong, the wish could become a curse.  Perhaps Dalinar asked to be rid of his grief, because he was too weak to face it, and they way that was accomplished was the removal of his memories of her.

Do we know if Dalinar's wife died before or after Gavilar?

Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: The Heralds *Minor Spoilers*
« on: September 07, 2010, 01:19:56 AM »
Sudden thought:  We know the almighty is dead, right?  What if the Almighty is not a mere shard but is the severed concienceness of Whole Adonalsium?  The way he just repeats things in a loop to Dalinar in the visions kind of reminded me of the description of the Mistspirit?  I'm not sure what that would mean for the heralds though...

Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 07, 2010, 01:12:42 AM »
Munin, you said before (too lazy to quote it, sorry :P), that the difference between Galladon and clubs and Galladon and this unkown dula (I'll give you that), is that galladon and clubs are similar and Galladon and this dula guy are exactly the same.  This is untrue, as we've already found one major difference: their appearance.  You've created a theory for why the appearance could be different, but that theory is not proof, as there is no evidence for it, as I explained in my last post.  The only evidence that HAS been given for this theory so far, is that Elantrians MUST change back into humans when visiting other worlds because Galladon did, but that's not proof because we don't know if it's Galladon.  You need to either know A) That Galladon is the searcher, or B) that Elantrians change back into humans when on Roshar in order to use them as proofs, you can't use them to prove eachother.

Yes the 'Dula' is grumpy and bald, but his non silvery metallic skin means he's probably not Galladon.  The evidence we have says Elantrians don't change unless cut off from the Dor completely, and when that happens they don't change back into humans, but into hairless, wrinkly, zombie things.  Also, upon reading this, if these people are Dula (and they do seem to be races not from Roshar, as Ishikk has trouble classifying him), I realized that Blunt is the same race as Grumpy, which means there are two 'Dulas.'  This means the other one can't be Dashe or Saolin, even if this theory of Elantrians reverting turns out to be true.  It could, however be them if Aon Dor worked on Roshar, which I think might be more likely than them reverting.

Reading this with Galladon and Raoden in mind, it does make me think of them though.  Perhaps, with more EVIDENCE I could be convinced :)

This is why I respectfully disagree with your theory that it is Galladon. :)

I'm sure Hoid is the writer of the epigraphs, I don't have evidence that is not yet given, but my gut says it is him. 

Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 06, 2010, 09:46:19 AM »
Are we sure he was speaking dula?  The words sound similar yes, but brandon could also just be re using bits of languages that are still whirring around in his head.
Also, did we establish somewhere that Ruin and Preservation created humans from what they had seen before (or, I guess, what the used to be).  Perhaps the similar languages ended up on separate worlds in the same way, they came originally from the shards.  It's a loose guess, but just an idea.

Also, as per them losing there "Elantrian-ness" (can we find a better word), my whole point is I don't think that is possible.  When they go to Teod, their powers are SIGNIFICANTLY weaker, and yet their appearance is, as far as we know, EXACTLY the same.  If it were possible to change back in appearance, you think it would have happened at least slightly on their journey to teod, perhaps a slight darkening of the skin, or hair, but we saw none of that.  Aon dor is involved in the CHANGING of a mortal into an Elantrian.  Once they are an Elantrian, they are one.  Getting cut off from aon door completely turns them into leper style elantrians (as we saw with the "It was so beautiful" man in the book).  The interlopers were not Leper style, so unless they can work illusion on Roshar, I don't think the seekers could be Elantrians.

I know the man isn't clubs by the way, I was just trying to make the point that similarity does not mean two people are the same ;)

Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: Shalan - near end of book **SPOILERS**
« on: September 06, 2010, 09:35:34 AM »
DID Jasnah actually need tha garnet?  Keep in mind ,there were others around.  Perhaps it was merely cover.

Brandon Sanderson / Re: WoK: The Heralds *Minor Spoilers*
« on: September 06, 2010, 09:33:26 AM »
And how do the heralds fit in with shards and such?  Are they a higher or lower being?  Might hoid be one of the heralds?

Brandon Sanderson / Re: First Interlude *Way of Kings SPOILERS*
« on: September 05, 2010, 03:51:45 AM »
When brandon says sections refer to Elantris, I think he's talking about the mention of Aona (Aon, get it?) and Skai dieing as a result of Rayse's visit to Sel. 

Also, I'd like to make a distinction: Ruin and Preservation ARE shards.  Ati and Leras were the people who held them.  They BECAME Ruin and Preservation once they took up the shards, so technically now Sazed could be call both Ruin and Preservation.

Since Ati and Leras both gave their names to the metals that are their body (Lerasium and Atium), what can we make of Aona's name, which is surely the root of Aon?  Are Elantris shards bound in language somehow?  And is there any 'Skai' sounding word in the book?

I don't think it's Galladon.  Roshar is too far away for them to cover up their Elantrianness with illusion.  Also, going to Teod does not make Raoden appear less Elantrian, so I think their appearance is not tied to the city once they have fully transformed...  Clubs is every bit as grumpy as Galladon, and yet they are not considered the same person.

I think what fRR post means, is that those three ARE from another world, but not characters we know...

Brandon Sanderson / Re: Quality of Wok book
« on: September 05, 2010, 03:34:46 AM »
Mine came out too fresh.  Some of the pages in the last part were still conjoined at the top.  I had to cut them with scissorts, which made me sad.  A similar thing happened to one of my mistborns, only with less pages and they were only joined by a small outcropping of paper in the corner.  It's wierd because I got mistborn on amazon and WoK at bookstore...

No waviness though.

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