Timewaster's Guide Archive

In Rhode Island, the Library has all of Sanderson's books. Elantris, and the Mistborn Trilogy, and Alcatraz. I know, I just returned Hero of Ages.

Go here:
http://www.oslri.org/

click, search library, by author: Sanderson, Brandon
and you will see them all.

Hero of Ages though, has a long wait, there are 3 copies in circulation in the state, and they never make it to the shelves, all are on hold all the time.

Since people are STILL on religion, let me point this out to you. The real reason most people of European descent are Christian is because Roman Emperor Constantine converted and forced everyone in the Roman empire to convert. If he had converted to Judaism, the majority here would be jewish, not Christian. Religion has as much to do with tradition and upbringing as it does with "faith".

and I personally refuse to believe that a "loving god" would be so cruel as to force everyone to prostrate themselves before him in order to ascend. mtbikemom sent me a couple pms, but this should suffice for an answer.

I know you all think I "cannot be saved" because I do not believe, but I look at religion this way:

If you were told that all the food in the world was poisoned and the only way to survive was to drink this antidote which had a side effect of making you sing songs for 2 hours a week praising the antidote and believe that everyone who didnt take the antidote was going to die. Yet, some people choose not to take the antidote, and live anyway, without any side effects. But you all take it anyway, even though you cannot see any benefit from it other than the fact that you get toigether often with people who take the same flavor antidote and spend your lives putting down people who take other flavors, or take none at all. Religion is like any business, being a good person will never be part of their plan, for if that was the case, they would be OUT of business. whenever you sell a product, you have to make people believe they cannot live without it, this is no different.

and for Reaves: Islam is an offshoot of Christianity, much like Mormonism is. The Torah and the New Testament are part of their holy books, they just believe that Mohammed is another prophet who came after Moses and Jesus (they think Jesus was a prophet, not the son of God).

As for Wheel of Time: they interact with their "creator" ofetn in the books, what do you need churches for when you can interact directly with your diety? Churches and religion are only viable when people CANNOT interact with their deity (see Children of the Light).

I was going to read back and join the conversation but the volume of conversation is just ridiculous.

I doubt I will read everything, more than likely, skim through. I just dont want to rehash what has already been discussed

Seems to me that this "Chapter" was just a setup for the return of Chapter 2

I can finally join this conversation

Got HoA from my library (FINALLY) on Monday. Finished it last night (this morning? LOL).

I will be reading back a ways in this thread and will catch up soon

max, I know that was not the intent, I just cannot sit idly by while being insulted simply for my beliefs (or lack there of). I am now waiting for the general excuse "I didnt know there were athiests here" from the insultant.

"These worlds are as empty as the lives of people without faith in something better than themselves.  We all worship something"

This is one of the biggest myths perpetuated by religion in general. "faith" is basically a "fill-in-the-blank" reconciliation for not having all the facts. Those of us who choose not to fill in the blanks can be as inherently good or bad, as people who believe in a deity. I am an athiest. And let me tell you, my life is full, not empty. I give and receive lots of love, from my children, my wife, my family. I am not some empty drug addicted husk simply because i do not beileve in a higher power. To suggest otherwise is insulting. And I can guarantee, an athiest has touched your life for the better at some point in your life, and you left him or her, not knowing their beliefs, thinking, "wow, what a wonderful person that was."

well, I have never lived in a couthern city, but I have lived in 4 northeastern cities (Morristown, Allentown, NYC, Providence) and I have visited a handful of southern cities, plus Quebec and Montreal in Canada. My opinion remains the same. all "cityfolk" were rude and obnoxious regardless of where the city was located. For the most part, the countryfolk in all of the areas were kind and generous. Regardless of what occupation they held, this, in my experience, has been true across the board. There are other similarities between cityfolk, and other similarities among countryfolk which I will not go into (some may be regarding sensitive topics like religion, politic and hygiene)