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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Dryone on October 07, 2010, 01:44:22 PM
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Obviously:
- Gavilar
- Dalinar
- Navani and several women from Dalinar's and Sadeas' war camps
Not so obvious:
- SHALLAN
"I have read the complete works of Tormas, Nashan, Niali the Just, and -- of course --Nohadon."
WoK page 87
- Jasnah
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Nice pick up there on Shallan. I think Jasnah is quite obvious, she did find the quote in the first place.
Strictly speaking Dalinar and Gavilar didn't read it, they heard it being narrated. :P
Adolin and - I assume - Renarin have also heard extracts from it, and possibly have heard the whole thing once (though maybe not in order).
Sadeas possibly. He at least has heard extracts.
I'm sure Hoid has read it.
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I did! ...Oh wait.
I agree with Stormblessed. It was a nice catch on Shallan. I'm pretty sure Adolin and Renarin have both heard it once (I thought I remembered reading that anyway). Sadeas might have heard it, if only to see what Gavilar was so obsessed with, and surely he looked it up after Dalinar started hearing it faithfully.
I'm sure just about everyone has heard extracts. It's probably somewhat like the bible, where everyone knows a few phrases or "verses". Most people seem to know it supposedly puts darkeyes above lighteyes, so I'd assume everyone has at least heard a few out-of-context sentences. Everyone learned, at least.
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Gavilar was learning to read, wasn't he?
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Gavilar was learning to read, wasn't he?
I don't think so. When Szeth wrote Gavilar's last words next to him everyone assumed that Gavilar had done it himself. This led people to think he could read and write. Even though he probably couldn't.
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I thought there had been some other mention of Gavilar learning to read passages from the book on his own, from Dalinar or Navani. Could be wrong, though.
I never got the impression he was fluently literate, just that he had begun learning.
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I thought there had been some other mention of Gavilar learning to read passages from the book on his own, from Dalinar or Navani. Could be wrong, though.
I never got the impression he was fluently literate, just that he had begun learning.
No that passage was in relation to the script found when Gavilar died, written by Szeth, just as Fireborn said.
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No that passage was in relation to the script found when Gavilar died, written by Szeth, just as Fireborn said.
Although this does reveal something interesting about the Shin. Either they have a fairly egalitarian society, or Szeth was high-ranking before becoming truthless. Based on the interlude chapter, egalitarian seems most likely, meaning most from that country would be able to learn reading and writing.
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Although this does reveal something interesting about the Shin. Either they have a fairly egalitarian society, or Szeth was high-ranking before becoming truthless. Based on the interlude chapter, egalitarian seems most likely, meaning most from that country would be able to learn reading and writing.
Yes I think Shin culture is interesting. Vorin culture sees writing as womanly. Shin culture obviously doesn't have the same prejudices, but maybe they still have them, such as maybe only farmers can write or maybe stone shamans etc., which raises the question of what Shin was before becoming truthless. Also, his ability to learn to write may have been taught to him after leaving Shin.
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Here's what we've got on Adolin:
P. 331
"Have I told you the story of the king carrying the boulder?"
"Yes." Adolin said.
"I have?"
"Twice. And you made me listen to the passage being read another time."
"Oh. Well, in the same section..."
So we know he's heard parts of it, but he hasn't read it all as of yet.
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I'm pretty sure Szeth's dad is someone fairly important. After all, he freaks out when the person calls him Szeth-son-whoever. He says that he doesn't want to disrespect his father's name and would perfer to be called Szeth-son-son-Vallano.
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Here's what we've got on Adolin:
P. 331
"Have I told you the story of the king carrying the boulder?"
"Yes." Adolin said.
"I have?"
"Twice. And you made me listen to the passage being read another time."
"Oh. Well, in the same section..."
So we know he's heard parts of it, but he hasn't read it all as of yet.
Considering Dalinar's interest in the book, I'm sure that Adolin has heard nearly all of it, though probably not in the right order.
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Well the fact that he's now sharing a new story in the same section makes me think that Dalinar only shares stories that have really stuck out to him.
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Well the fact that he's now sharing a new story in the same section makes me think that Dalinar only shares stories that have really stuck out to him.
Maybe, but he gets Adolin to sit with him while passages are being recited, so I'm sure Adolin has heard some of the lesser passages as well, and Dalinar does know all the passages off by heart.
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Wow the first post was entirely confusing and it took me like 2-3 minutes to figure out the "who has read the way of kings" was referring to in the book. lol.
That is a good catch, I hadn't seen that. o.e I think her having read The Way of Kings will probably strongly come into play when she interacts with Dalinar. I look forward to their encounter.
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I thought there had been some other mention of Gavilar learning to read passages from the book on his own, from Dalinar or Navani. Could be wrong, though.
No, AFAIK that was a misconception of Dalinar's beacause Szeth had written the meassage on the wall in the first person which led Dalinar to assume that he (Gavilar) had written it himself.
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Wow the first post was entirely confusing and it took me like 2-3 minutes to figure out the "who has read the way of kings" was referring to in the book. lol.
lol, i know what you mean. Every time I read this post I get the urge to post: "Me. I read it!".
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:D
Sadeas hasn't read it, though he seems to be considering it. Refer to the very end of chapter 58.
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I thought he had at least heard excerpts of them with Dalinar. I doubt his heard the whole thing, but with Sadeas you never know...
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I thought there had been some other mention of Gavilar learning to read passages from the book on his own, from Dalinar or Navani. Could be wrong, though.
No, AFAIK that was a misconception of Dalinar's beacause Szeth had written the meassage on the wall in the first person which led Dalinar to assume that he (Gavilar) had written it himself.
Hmmm, interesting. I must have missed that, so Szeth actually wrote it? I keep hoping he'll find redemption and be more of a "good guy", but there seems to be enough hints that it could happen.
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Hmmm, interesting. I must have missed that, so Szeth actually wrote it?
Prologue: To Kill. Penultimate paragraph.
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Oh, and Teft's mother has read it :D
Pg. 831
"There was some old king who came up with all this. Had his wife write it in a book or something. My mother read it. The Radiants based the Ideals on what was written there."
At least, that sounds like The Way of Kings to me.
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That sounds like it. Good find!
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I'm pretty sure that Sadeas has also listened to part or all of it.
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Yeah, Sadeas has heard Dalinar repeat whole sections, and even asked to get a copy of it because 'it might entertain [him] to hear more of its little stories'. A few chapters later he bashes heavily on the book, so i don't think he ever got around to all of it. That's why I'd leave him off the list of readers.
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Yeah, Sadeas has heard Dalinar repeat whole sections, and even asked to get a copy of it because 'it might entertain [him] to hear more of its little stories'. A few chapters later he bashes heavily on the book, so i don't think he ever got around to all of it. That's why I'd leave him off the list of readers.
Except that Sadeas is really good at hiding the truth.
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Teft has almost certainly heard at least parts of it as his parents were both part of that cult.
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So, I'm harboring a theory that there's more to the book than Dalinar knows. In his visions he's told to "read" the book whereas he's only had it read aloud. It's mentioned in one of the Jasnah chapters that women often annotate in the margins in the book sections that aren't meant to be read. Granted the book was probably transcribed by a man originally, but there may be info that Dalinar is missing.
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However, you would think that if there were some obscure reference, and notes in the margins said, "This most likely means X," the woman reading the book would say, "Oh, by the way, that confusing sentence that made no sense? It most likely means X." But I suppose it's feasible that Dalinar's missing something.
I think it more likely, however, that Dalinar just isn't understanding everything that's been read to him.
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Well I suspect it would depend on the woman doing the reading. Some might not bother. :P
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I have to assume that Sadeas has already read the book. He's far too calculating and devious to off-handedly brush it aside. Besides, he was very devoted to Gavilar, so I would imagine he'd have had the book read to him (although probably in secret) after Gavilar was murdered.