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Title: A question about time.
Post by: westwriter on August 28, 2009, 07:10:30 PM
If I'm writing a fantasy novel and units of time come up on a regular basis, how do I write it?  I need units like minutes and hours.  Do I invent time units and waste a lot of time at the beginning of the story showing them to give the reader a familiar reference?  Do I describe time?  Can I just use minutes and hours?
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: Silk on August 28, 2009, 07:22:35 PM
This is a personal preference, of course, but I would just use minutes and hours. No need to reinvent the wheel.

I'd save your inventivity for when it really matters. :)
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: sortitus on August 28, 2009, 07:38:46 PM
Unless you have a good reason for using a different measure of time, I'd stick with earth time.
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: westwriter on August 28, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
Well that's a relief.  I like doing things the easy way. ;)
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: Chaos on August 29, 2009, 02:21:34 AM
In the book I'm currently writing, I have a character who slightly obsessive about checking the time, so I just stuck with earth time entirely. It's simply much easier to say "10:35".

One interesting thing I did see done with time that wasn't confusing was the way Patrick Rothfuss changed how long a "week" was. He called them "span", each eleven days long. That probably doesn't help you with minutes or hours, but it goes to show you can do things like that, too. To my knowledge I don't think Rothfuss changed away from seconds, though he doesn't make it a big deal.

I'd just stick to twenty-four hour days that are sixty minutes long.
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: Silk on August 29, 2009, 02:39:19 AM
There are a lot of books that use different terms for larger units of time like like days or weeks. I think that's a little easier to deal with, probably (at least in part) because those units don't come up as often as minutes or seconds might.
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: RavenstarRHJF on August 29, 2009, 03:46:15 AM
You could also experiment with different means of measuring time.  Not necessarily units, but something other than a conventional clock.  Maybe a candle with a fixed rate of burning, or a clear lens which displays the time of day on the ground when the sun shines through it (hey, that's actually a pretty cool idea..).
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: Silk on August 29, 2009, 04:46:08 AM
Meaning a sundial? :P
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: RavenstarRHJF on August 29, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
I was thinking a little more high-tech, but yeah... basically a sundial.   ::)
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: sortitus on August 29, 2009, 05:22:40 PM
I thought you were talking about a magical lens that would distort sunlight into numerals that displayed the time...
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: RavenstarRHJF on August 29, 2009, 10:57:44 PM
I was!  But that is, basically, nothing more than a sundial. :-\ :D
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: sortitus on August 29, 2009, 11:22:28 PM
Except that a sundial needs to be oriented very precisely to give you an accurate reading of the time. In fact, if you had a personal sundial, you could get a pretty close reading of the time just by doing the math to set up the dial correctly. :P So your idea sounds more like an atomic wrist or pocket watch that only works in sunlight. Really, you didn't specify if indirect light through windows or off the moon would work, or even if it would display an incorrect time if not able to get direct or mostly un-refracted light. Behavior with only artificial light was also unspecified. It's an interesting idea, but probably not one that's complex enough to base a (good) novel off. :D
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: Frog on August 29, 2009, 11:30:57 PM
Well, not a whole book certainly, but still a fun idea that I would encourage. After all, I've seen worse concepts become full books before as it is all a matter of opinion.  :)
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: RavenstarRHJF on August 30, 2009, 12:41:38 AM
Oh goodness, certainly not a whole book!  It was just a suggestion to give the world a little flavor- something that's close to what we have and are familiar with, but with that "other" feel to it. 

Heh.  Didn't think it'd cause this much debate! 8)
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: Silk on August 30, 2009, 01:15:56 AM
Keeping in mind also, of course, that a lot of cultures probably don't have the fixation on "time" that our culture does. Particularly knowing to the minute if it's 10:15 or 10:17am etcetera.
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: sortitus on August 30, 2009, 01:20:31 AM
It's very nice to be able to give a friend a precise time to meet though. I mean, "meet me at noon," can still cause a pretty massive wait for the first person to get there if you don't have clocks. Of course, if you don't care about most of your day being spent waiting, a less time-centric society is great.

I really would love to do away with the mad regimented time crap we all have to deal with, but it's so darn useful. :)
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: Silk on August 30, 2009, 01:21:34 AM
I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying that I think it's a product of our modern culture. :P

...Just something to consider, as most of us are writing in quasi-medieval settings.
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: westwriter on August 30, 2009, 04:41:04 AM
soooooo... hours, minutes and seconds.  Got it.
Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: Reaves on August 31, 2009, 06:13:33 PM
For myself, I use hours, and minutes if I have to. I try to avoid seconds, though. Barring any extraordinary fantasy environments, would the ordinary person in your culture think like that?

Title: Re: A question about time.
Post by: westwriter on August 31, 2009, 07:49:35 PM
Minutes and hours is all I needed.  Minutes are the primary element I had a question about.  I think the general consensus is to leave it as is.  Thanks for all the input everybody!