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Local Authors => Reading Excuses => Topic started by: Silk on November 15, 2008, 09:35:21 PM
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Welcome to Reading Excuses! If you're not already sure what that is, Reading Excuses is an online critique group. Before you look at this thread, take a look at the Rules of Reading Excuses (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=6850.0). Don't worry, we'll wait.
Read that? Excellent! Now you'll actually know what we're talking about when you see our submissions dates.
August 15: cjhuitt, Mad Scientist, Chaos, Skyhunter, Asmodemon, Will, Guenwyvar
* No more submissions this week, folks! Seven is quite a few.
August 22: Robert, Hubay
To join the email list, please PM both me and Chaos with your email address and one of us will add you to the list.
When it's your turn to submit (and you'll know when it's your turn because you'll have posted on this thread to ask us, right?), you'll send your submission out to all [at] readingexcuses [dot] com
Make sure you format your submission appropriately according to the Rules thread linked above. For a slightly more digestible, but less detailed version of how to submit click here (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=6266.0).
Want to know who's involved? Here's a list of everyone who participates, as they're known on TWG.
Silk/Raethe (mod)
Chaos2651 (mod)
Necroben
FirstRainbowRose
WEKM
AvalonDreamer
Little Wilson
Flo the G
Karl
Sortitus
Spejoku
jwdenzel
Frog
Pipe
Hamster
Rane
Ryos
Ravenstar
ErikHolmes
swaindaddy (Chris)
Miang
Stormcryst
ApocRK
Jexral
manji
Stridera
Recovering Cynic
Westwriter (Greg)
Bravesamewise
Shi
Andrew the Great
Preposterous Justin
LongTimeUnderdog
vegetathalus
clarissavandell
lethalfalcon
Justin Carmony
Dark Prophecy
Asmodemon
ublique
Argas
Shivertongue
Aginor
Pogi Dave
Drew P
Justice1337
Renoard
Talyn
aronsamma
Comatose
Valkynphyre
wisteria_purple
Hubay
Daddy Warpig
Aerim
Derby
Zardog
Eerongal
Fireflyz
Stormblessed
becoop
akoebel
RiaRaen
aqualibrium
sceneTK421
madelste (Michael)
halo6819 (Robert)
Bunchkles (Chris)
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Sorry if this is answered in the comments on Writing Excuses, but what are these submissions going to be in the form of? Are they responding to the occasional writing prompts from Writing Excuses, or is this a full-fledged writing group where we're writing a whole book and we submit chapters to each other?
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I'd suggest that people use this forum to submit whatever they feel really needs workshopping. That way people who write short stories or scripts or whatever aren't excluded from the fun, and people who are writing novels can choose to share theirs if they want to.
There's already a thread for Writing Prompts, so I'd say if you just want to SHARE what you've written for a prompt, go there, since that's more of a for-fun thing. If you want an actual critique, then post it here.
Those would be my suggestions, anyway. I await everyone's passionate rejections. ;)
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Raethe, this sounds like a brilliant idea. I can always use more input on my stuff, and it would be a good impetus for me to stop slacking off and actually write for once.
Is there any plan to have sort of a weekly schedule, or is it just going to be a "when you have something done, submit it" sort of thing?
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I will join as well, but I probably won't write stuff to submit until after NaNoWriMo is over.
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Haha. I can't take the credit for it, I'm afraid - it rose out of a discussion on the Writing Excuses board. I'm still all for it, though!
A "submit when you're done" deal would probably be much easier to organize. If we go that way, then I'd suggest the guideline that for every manuscript you submit for critique, you yourself have to critique at least one.
Of course, one of the advantages of structured writing groups is solid deadlines, so if people want to do that, then sure. Shall we take a vote? ;)
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Well, this solves one of my problems. I'll submit material as I'm able, next semester will probably be a bit easier than the current one though.
-Jake
p.s. are we doing this in pdf, Word or what?
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I personally like Word because I'm rather attached to its comments feature (though that might be kind of obsolete since we're doing discussion on the forum, but it's still kind of nice to mark up minor things like line edits and grammar fixes). That and I have no way of converting my own files to .pdfs. Either should be readable to pretty much everyone, though. At least, word files should be readable if they're saved as .rtfs.
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I know OpenOffice (what I use) can open all Microsoft Word documents, but I don't know if it has a comment feature...
Ah! Now that I look at it, it does have them, they are just called "notes". Wonderful! They are really quite handy.
If anyone has difficulties opening .doc files or .odt (OpenOffice files which are really nice since they are smaller file sizes), you can always go to www.openoffice.org and get the latest version for free. It's nice :P
Haha. I can't take the credit for it, I'm afraid - it rose out of a discussion on the Writing Excuses board. I'm still all for it, though!
A "submit when you're done" deal would probably be much easier to organize. If we go that way, then I'd suggest the guideline that for every manuscript you submit for critique, you yourself have to critique at least one.
Of course, one of the advantages of structured writing groups is solid deadlines, so if people want to do that, then sure. Shall we take a vote? ;)
I like the idea about a 1:1 ratio for critiquing. It would make things pretty nice, and force reciprocation (which is sort of what this is all about). As for solid deadlines, I think we should try it this way--without deadlines--and see how that pans out before we start getting too ambitious with all of this.
EDIT: I read through the comments on Writing Excuses Episode 2-5 and I had forgotten about the issue of protecting the work. I would normally say that we could trust each other, but I suppose it wouldn't be a huge deal if some people wanted to use PDFs and we just post the comments on the forum.
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Well, Open Office can export to pdf, so you and I are good, but not everyone can so we should probably stick to regular docs. Besides with a huge group of us, I don't think it would be hard to catch and call out anyone stealing someone else's material. I don't think anyone who is even halfway serious about doing this is likely to do something like that anyway.
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Yeah. I intend to just use regular .docs, even though OpenOffice can export to PDF. It's not practical for them to steal the work, anyways, because the whole point of this is to critique each others work. If they steal, then they won't get any more critique on their own work. Their loss.
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I like this idea. I'm in.
my email is ...
I'll be using OpenOffice. Trusty old OpenOffice
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I'm in as well. I think this is a great idea. I'll be using Word, but will that be compatible with this OpenOffice thing back and forth?
My e-mail ;D
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I think it'll probably be compatible just as a .doc file (no .docx files though, for anyone using Vista) and if not, then word can save as .rtf which should work for pretty much anything.
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I think this sounds like a great idea! my e-mail is ... Of course, if I send anything out it will be a .rtf simply because that's the format I use for everything. (Plus, I believe it's compadable across the board for both mac and pc users.)
So, just to make sure I've got this straight, but adding my address I've now agreed to read and critique anyone's work who e-mails it to me. Then, in exchange, if I wanted something of my own critiqued I would just need to e-mail it to anyone/everyone who has listed their e-mail address here, correct?
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I think it'll probably be compatible just as a .doc file (no .docx files though, for anyone using Vista) and if not, then word can save as .rtf which should work for pretty much anything.
OpenOffice opens all files, actually. It will open .docx's (though that's in the 3.0 version of OpenOffice, so it's just a quick upgrade away) for certain. OpenOffice is open source, so actually, it's a lot easier to fix compatibility problems on it than something like MS Office. But, enough of me shamelessly plugging it's awesomeness :P
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I'm in as well. I guess I had better be as I was one of the ones pushing for this.
I too agree to review anyone's work I get emailed. In return, I hope to also get mine looked at as well. I use MS Office .DOC as well, but if it will be an issue, I can submit anything in .rtf.
I will also try and minimize my sarcasm in reviews, as I have been told that in posts, sometimes it is hard to tell if one is being sarcastic, or just mean.
As well, I would like to vote for a weekly deadline. We could go with submissions needing to be in by the close of the week, (Saturday) to be reviewed over the next week in the forum. That way everyone has time to review and comment on them all.
Also, in keeping with things pointed out in previous podcasts, if you keep submitting the same piece over and over you will be openly mocked.
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Personally? I don't honestly think I'm able to keep up a weekly schedule right now. But if that's what other people want to do, then I'm not really opposed. I'm tough, I can take being laughed at.
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I definitely can't do a weekly schedule right now, either. After December 17th, when the semester is over, perhaps, but right now, there is much college work to do.
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I definalty couldn't do a weekly scheduel thing. I mean, I am writing 2k a day, but it all royally sucks. I need to have like everything reworked when I'm done with this thing. I think it would be easier to just come on here and say "I've send something out. Thoughts when you can." and then proceed from there.
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I must agree, right now I'm in the middle of the NaNoWriMo (and doing great) but I don't know how well I could keep faith with any set schedule.
I've had my main character married by surprise, meet her parents, abducted, sent to hell, fall in love with another woman, watch that woman die, and kill a giant amphibian; and that's only half way through. Whooo...
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How about a monthly schedule. I know that right now is hard. We could all submit at the first of Dec and go from there, with the deadline for the next session the 31st of Dec to be reviewed during Jan. Then you have some time to work on a section as well as time to review submitted sections.
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How about a monthly schedule. I know that right now is hard. We could all submit at the first of Dec and go from there, with the deadline for the next session the 31st of Dec to be reviewed during Jan. Then you have some time to work on a section as well as time to review submitted sections.
That's definitely not a bad idea. I can definitely pull that off, since I'm already preparing this first chapter of my novel for feedback. However, if NaNoWriMo writers want to submit some of their stuff from that, they might want a day or two after the end of November to cool down and/or revise whatever they want to first submit. Though, once we get going, I really can't see how hard a monthly schedule can be.
I'm for it. What does everyone else think--namely, the NaNoWriMo people (because schoolwork totally destroyed my efforts on it early on, so I'm no longer a part of that)?
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I think I'll sit out the first round of submits, but I'll definatly edit. I really just want to get the entire book written and revised before I start sending it out for thoughts. (Because if you read it as it is now I think it would be shot down and killed.)
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I'm up for it! A monthly schedule will fit in fine with me. I have a week of on-call that usually destroys anything I want to do, but its a five week rotation, so I should be good.
What sort of Guide Lines should we have for submissions?
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I think I'll sit out the first round of submits, but I'll definatly edit. I really just want to get the entire book written and revised before I start sending it out for thoughts. (Because if you read it as it is now I think it would be shot down and killed.)
Yeah, that's my only concern with the December 1st deadline--not enough time to do some coherent revision. Though, WEKM, you can count on me to submit by the deadline, barring a meteor strike on my dorm or something.
Hmmm, guidelines. I think we should have some pretty lax guidelines (we don't want to stifle anyone), but there's going to have to be some common sense involved. For example, don't submit an entire novel of stuff. That's a bit outside the scope of a single session for in-depth comments. Other than that, I can't really think of anything, but then again, I'm rather new to the explicit "writing group" concept (I've just had alpha readers before).
EDIT: Now that I think about it, "double spaced" might be a really good guideline to set in stone right now.
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My thoughts on the guidelines.
1: no spamming. Send out one copy to everyone, then wait for the thoughts to come in.
2: No replies to comments about your own work. It's like I heard once: no matter how much you argue or defend, they're mind has already been made. Just note their thoughts and move on.
3: No wedging. We all understand that everyone is going to try their hardest to be nice, but sometimes no matter how you word it things will come out harsh. So, don't preface your comments with apologies.
That's all I can think of for now.
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O.k.~
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EDIT: Now that I think about it, "double spaced" might be a really good guideline to set in stone right now.
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1: no spamming. Send out one copy to everyone, then wait for the thoughts to come in.
2: No replies to comments about your own work. It's like I heard once: no matter how much you argue or defend, they're mind has already been made. Just note their thoughts and move on.
3: No wedging. We all understand that everyone is going to try their hardest to be nice, but sometimes no matter how you word it things will come out harsh. So, don't preface your comments with apologies.
~For example, don't submit an entire novel of stuff. ~
Word count limit? 1.5 spacing=9 pages@1700 words w/.doc (or there abouts)
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I like the idea of a monthly schedule as well, but because of NaNoWriMo, I know I wouldn't have anything to submit by Dec. 1st. And the situation would probably be the same with the rest of the Nanoers. Therefore I propose a middle of the month deadline. Submissions due by the 15th of every month and we critique the pieces until the start of the next month.
That way, we'd have those two weeks between the 1st and the 15th to correct any glaring plot holes that were identified. If people were still critiquing for the whole 30 days, then you might submit a new entry that has the same plot holes as the first.
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Why not do it so that we submit on the 15th, and on the 1st we start posting comments. That way we have 15 days to look out for things in the next piece before we fix it?
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I like that idea a lot of submitting on the 15th.
O.k.~
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EDIT: Now that I think about it, "double spaced" might be a really good guideline to set in stone right now.
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1: no spamming. Send out one copy to everyone, then wait for the thoughts to come in.
2: No replies to comments about your own work. It's like I heard once: no matter how much you argue or defend, they're mind has already been made. Just note their thoughts and move on.
3: No wedging. We all understand that everyone is going to try their hardest to be nice, but sometimes no matter how you word it things will come out harsh. So, don't preface your comments with apologies.
~For example, don't submit an entire novel of stuff. ~
Word count limit? 1.5 spacing=9 pages@1700 words w/.doc (or there abouts)
You shouldn't reply to comments about your own work, but I think that it is necessary to have the ability to ask follow-up questions. And that's where the line can get fuzzy, because a follow-up question could turn into just another form of response. However, I'm a firm believer that follow-ups are essential.
I am opposed to an explicit word limit, if only for the self-serving reason that the first chapter that I want to submit is 19 pages double spaced at around 3500 words :P. I know it's long, but really, once you read it, it really works as one cohesive chapter. I don't think we should limit lengths of submission, because that could artificially alter the story you are trying to tell.
I think with the length guideline, the point is to just say "don't make it deliberately gigantic". Tell what you want to tell, and then submit that. Don't go fifty pages or something insane like that, use common sense.
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I'm in:
I've met most of you all on other bits of the forum, and I think it'd be awesome to form up a writing group. I can do two or three evaluations a week, but school and my own writing keep it to about that.
What if we left it to: "One chapter at a time."? If someone is sending out deliberately large chapters, or unnecessarily long ones, it's a problem that can be rectified.
Have we decided on a date for first submissions?
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I'm in:
I've met most of you all on other bits of the forum, and I think it'd be awesome to form up a writing group. I can do two or three evaluations a week, but school and my own writing keep it to about that.
What if we left it to: "One chapter at a time."? If someone is sending out deliberately large chapters, or unnecessarily long ones, it's a problem that can be rectified.
Have we decided on a date for first submissions?
Yeah. "One Chapter at a time" is what I was trying to get at, you just said it much clearer :P
It's either December 1st or December 15th--we haven't quite had a consensus on that yet. However, it will probably be a monthly schedule, so that's one submission per month.
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I think that the 15th will work well this time around. That also sets up a good point for everyone to shoot for.
I also agree, one chapter per session. Unless of course, it is a short story and can be considered the equivalent of a novel sized chapter or two. Let's just not go crazy and have everyone submit their entire work from NaNo.
Should we break up the discussions into separate threads for each submission once we start? That way everyone knows right where to go to see comments on their work.
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I'm for the breaking up thing. That way, we don't have to hunt through tons of pages of posts to find comments. Also, I say that at the start of each session we post the title of our piece, so we can just look and say "oh, this is the topic with that chapter".
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Oh, definitely we'd want to split the topics up between authors. That would be insane if we didn't.
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I totally agree with the separate threads thing, but would it be one thread per author, one thread per chapter, or in the case of short stories, one thread per short story? I personally think it should be one thread per book or short story. So if you're a short story author, you will have multiple threads. If you're writing a book, you will only have one thread and you will be able to look through to see if problems are still the same from chapter to chapter. (There would have to be a clear way to see which chapter is being commented on, of course.)
Another question: How many people we are supposed to send the story out to? I would assume that we send it to everyone who has put their email up. Right now the number of people who would critique the story is 8 (Raethe hasn't added AvalonCreamCorn yet). I don't know how large writing groups normally are, but I would assume 9 is okay, but pushing the limit.
And yet another question, but this time not very relevant: How many of you guys actually have the same emailaddress as your username, or did you create another account so wouldn't get spammed?
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No, Raethe has been at work all day and hasn't had the chance to update the email list yet. :P Also, this is the email she always uses, and she enjoys referring to herself in the third person.
Ahem.
It looks like there are going to be a fair number of us doing this, so maybe we don't WANT to submit all at once. We could split into two groups - one group (whoever's ready) submits December 1, the next group submits December 15. That way, people who are ready now don't have to wait forever, and people who aren't don't have to scramble. It will also keep us from dealing with two dozen (or whatever) submissions at once.
A seperate thread for each submission would be my advice. Should we say, each author who's submitting starts their own thread, and title them, say, name of submitter, title/chapter number, date? That seems to me the easiest way to keep things organized. Though jjb's idea of one thread per book/story has merit too...
Regarding length, I think that 3500 words or so is completely reasonable to ask everybody to read in a month. (Particularly if we don't submit all at once. I'm lobbying for that one!) I also agree that we should be able to play a bit of fast-and-loose with the length, though; I'd say if your complete chapter is 4500 words, go for it. If you submit all 50,000 words from NaNoWriMo, though, I will have tomatos ready.
Now, what about people who write really short stories or chapters (many of my short stories come in at under a thousand words long)? Do we allow them to, or request them to submit more than one chapter/story/whatever so they're coming in at the same length as the rest of us? Or do we just allow people to submit whatever they feel needs to be workshopped?
And yeah, I'd say we send it out to everyone who's put their email up.
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"Chaos2651" is my usual internet handle. If you googled it, every single hit you get would be me. So, I try and streamline it and make it so everything I do is with that handle.
Raethe, that idea for submitting in two sections sounds like a brilliant one. I vote for that one :P
For the submission topics, I think the format should be like this. You put which month you are submitting in (for clarity), then the title of your work, and the chapter number. I think, by having each chapter/submission in a separate topic, it makes it much easier to have all the comments on that section in one singular place. I don't know about other people, but gigantic topics are not fun to navigate at all (have you SEEN some of those Hero of Ages theory topics? The Hemalurgy one is beyond 30 pages of posts!).
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I second the two groups thing.
And firstRainbowRose is what I use for EVERYTHING! I have since I was in 7th grade and people started using "rainbowrose" on me.
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Yey! Yeah, I think it'd make a lot more sense than all of us doing it at once. So. Are/will some people be ready to submit by December 1st? Do we have any volunteers? (If that's a no-go, we can always do December 15 and 30th.)
Date - title - chapter number? Okay, that works.
Chaos also makes a good point about huge topics. I'm starting to lean more in the "one thread per chapter/story" rather than the "one per book" direction...
Oh. What about content? We're mostly speculative fiction writers. Do we want to keep our content to strictly spec fic, or is literary fiction okay too?
Haha. RainbowRose - Funny, I've been using the name Raethe since about seventh grade, too. She was actually a character from one of my first "novels" (please don't ask me to tell you about it. Ever).
((In other news, I appear to have gone from "wealthy and important" to "penniless and bankrupt". Wth is with these status thingies anyway?))
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I am willing to submit on December 1st. Heck, technically the chapter is already done, I'm just applying some extra polish to it.
Content... well, I don't see any reason why we expressly need to limit it. People should have the freedom to write what they want and get feedback.
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Genre would have been a better word for my above question. Oh well.
Hmm. Do we have any young readers on this list? Maybe we should get people to label their work with things like violence, nudity, profanity where necessary...
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I'm ready for a Dec. 1 submission. I support both the two groups and "Title"/"Relevant Section" thread conventions. I think a 1:1 is a little skimpy for turn-around, if it was meant one review per every submission. Depending on what the consensus feels up to, maybe make it three or four.
Since I believe that you, Raethe, started this and are the more-or-less unofficial chair-poster (yay for PC terms) of this group, it'd be up to you to decide who is in which group (1st or 15th); it'd be nice to know who is where for the start of the month.
As for genre, I have no issue, and I endorse the labeling of works. We could use the FCC's notation of Violence, Strong Language, Drug use, and Sexual content, then add where necessary. (I.F. "'Title'/'Chapter', V L")
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I agree that we should label them.
Also, another idea on how to find your groups is by genre. I mean, my romance focused book won't be of much intrest, and thus the comments I get back usually won't be very helpful from someone who loves blood and guts work.
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As authors though, we should all be able to fairly evaluate - if not write - content from any genre or style, at least using basic writing fundamentals as guideposts.
I'm primarily an Adventure/Fantasy/SciFi writer, but I can look at the use of PoV, style, tensing, and scenery in a Romance and give feedback on how it flows; that taken aside, I can also appreciate a decent romance.
Splitting by genre might not be the best idea, but deliberately splitting so we have mixed genres each group may do better, so each writer has more sympathetic readers per revision cycle.
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Labeling is a good idea. Since I already know what I'm submitting (and the content inside of it), I'll give you the label right now:
Genre: Epic Fantasy
Content: Violence, Strong Language
(mind you, it's fantasy violence, so it isn't that bad. However, it's still enough for me to warrant marking it)
I was thinking the same thing about the ratio. We have a lot more than just two people submitting. I, for one, don't care much about the particular ratio. Whatever writing is sent to me, I will read and comment (if I'm not horribly busy, that is). While I don't care about the ratio, it's important for people to feel obligated to comment. That is, after all, the whole point of submitting in the first place.
I will read whatever it is, regardless of genre. We should be inclusive with genre, but if something isn't working out in a particular group, there's no reason not to adjust groupings accordingly to get better results.
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I dunno. I'm with you on that we should be able to evaluate any genre fairly - but I don't think it's really feasible to organize everbody by what genre they're writing (personally, I do a fair amount of genre-hopping). I think we're just gonna have to say that if you're writing something that's not speculative fiction, bear in mind that you'll have to take some of our comments with a grain of salt.
As for the ratio, ideally we'll see about half and half per submission I figure - I think we just want to keep the workload more or less even. ;)
Oh, and I didn't actually start this, unless by this you mean the thread. A Writing Excuses critique group was suggested by someone or someones who are, um, not me.
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Ideally, people will just want to give feedback, because that gives a great incentive for people to want to read their stuff. :D
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Utopia is the place where ideals are reality - last I checked we were on earth. As much as I agree that we should be good human beings and even *gulp* friends and do the right and good thing, a small set of rules never hurt anyone (unless facists were involved).
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And a small set of punishments don't hurt, either. For example, "If you don't submit anything, we will laugh it you."
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That's not fair, brat! :P J/k
I don't see what's wrong with not posting anything ourselves. I personally don't plan on doing so until Feb or March, but I don't see any reason why I can't start helping and critiquing now.
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Chaos - you read my mind. ;)
I agree, though, there should be a spot for people who just want to critique instead of submit. Rose, we'll just not give you a submission deadline, but keep you on the email list. Howzat?
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Hear that RainbowRose?
We. Will. Laugh. At. You.
Fear the giggles... FEAR THEM!
... Is it just me or does that punishment feel a little... ridiculous? Maybe hang them by their ankles from a tree and lash them with spaghetti. Really give it to them.
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We'd have to do it virtually, though. Wet spaghetti lashings just don't have the same effect when they're not in person.
So we have Chaos and Avalon ready to submit by December 1st. We have nine people on the list, I think, so we only need two more to make that 50%ish split...
Any other takers?
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That's not fair, brat! :P J/k
I don't see what's wrong with not posting anything ourselves. I personally don't plan on doing so until Feb or March, but I don't see any reason why I can't start helping and critiquing now.
Ahem. "If you miss the deadline, we will laugh at you." How's that for a rule :P Because if you just critique, then there's no deadline to miss, eh?
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Okay, that makes a lot more sense. And who knows, since it's only the first two months, I might just submit a couple of short stories or something.
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I finally kicked myself hard enough to register. I'll do the reading up part later this week though.
My email:
I'm Chris on Writing excuses BTW.
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Congrats for taking the leap - this place can be pretty freakin' scary sometimes...
So, who are our last 2-3 victims for round 1? I'm sure someone has something ground out that they need looked at!
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Well, not to put words in WEKM's mouth, but he did sort of suggest the December 1st deadline to begin with. I think he would go for that one. But, then again, I'm not WEKM.
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I'm going to submit on the 15th of each month. I'm going to see if I can't get a new short story of decent lengeth, and decent writing done by then.
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I can join?
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Total lolcat moment, but yeah. If we have 9 people, we could do 3 cycles of 3 people: a 1st, 11th and 21st.
(You're a software dev major?! *high five*)
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I can join?
Of course you can join. We accept everyone! Well, everyone who is a writer, that is. For example, no talking monkeys. Since you aren't a talking monkey, I think you're fine.
Total lolcat moment, but yeah. If we have 9 people, we could do 3 cycles of 3 people: a 1st, 11th and 21st.
(You're a software dev major?! *high five*)
Meh. That seems too complicated. I'd rather have larger groups. I'm sure there will be more people coming on the email list eventually, so there's no need to limit it.
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I agree. I think it should simply be a submit on one of the two cycles, and go from there. Anyone who joins after the firsts round can be either added or assigned a new group depending on how far past the first round we are.
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Wait, no talking monkeys? Why do we have to go off and discriminate against Ookla? Isn't a Mok some sort of monkey?
I will not sit idly by as you play fast and loose with what orating or non-orating forms of primate, avian or otherwise may or may not be in this writing group! Frankly, I am appalled, and... Actually, I'd be a bit interested to read what a parrot would have to write...
And way to go, shooting down my cleverly crafted idea... Jk. Two would work better from an organization standpoint.
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Wait, no talking monkeys? Why do we have to go off and discriminate against Ookla? Isn't a Mok some sort of monkey?
I will not sit idly by as you play fast and loose with what orating or non-orating forms of primate, avian or otherwise may or may not be in this writing group! Frankly, I am appalled, and... Actually, I'd be a bit interested to read what a parrot would have to write...
I was taking a sip of water as I read your post, and I very nearly spit it on my monitor. That was hilarious.
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I'm just sitting here dieing of laugher, and hoping that my job calls and tells me they don't need me today so I can stay home and read everything as it comes in. This is too much fun to miss.
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We are just so much fun to be around.
Besides, we are "bonding". Yeah. That way, we are more comfortable giving feedback on submissions! Certainly, we would never goof off like this. This is serious business.
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Yes, serious. Serious like an ill-uttered Nietzsche quote while drunk, at an office party, huddled under a table. And contrary to what anyone says, I was NOT being paranoid that the Fourth Reich was attacking our building...
In other news, floor buffers are really loud.
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I'm going to sit out of this for a while, although I'll read comments of other peoples stuff! I may join once you guys get a firm schedule going, just to shake things up.
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I'm going to sit out of this for a while, although I'll read comments of other peoples stuff! I may join once you guys get a firm schedule going, just to shake things up.
Then it helps if you give us your email so we can actually send you stuff :P
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I think the 15th is looking like my kind of deadline right now. I've got too much on my plate due at or around the 1st already.
Well back to NaNo writing...
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*pulls out a whip*
Darn straight back to NaNo writing.
Hey chaos, ever consider a spam label?
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If I were to put a label on my can, it would have to be better than spam :P
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I can submit something on the 1st, if it's OK to use my NaNo writing. I would be looking more for opinions on Character and Dialogue and story Flow. I tend to write rather short chapters; that was why I was asking about word count, otherwise I would end up sending 2 pages. :P
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What do you mean by "short chapters"? If you can send on 2 or 3 and be around 3500 words, I wouldn't freak out about it.
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Well, that makes more sense, then.
It's not like there's a restriction against NaNo writing--in fact, I fully expect to see some at some point. It's just that I knew at least firstRainbowRose was not exactly thrilled with the quality of her NaNo writing, so I was saying that if you so desired, some time to revise might be nice so you can feel better with the thing you are submitting.
But, on the other hand, it would be great to see some NaNo writing if you think it's up to snuff. Or, if it's not up to snuff, you can submit it anyways and people will critique it for quality. It all comes down with the author's preference. If you want to submit NaNo stuff, go for it! Anything that you want critiqued works.
No need to submit a two-page chapter, either. In fact, I'm rather intrigued how you can compact something that small :P If they are that short, then I would rather see more than one chapter to get a better idea of how things flow together.
(The point is to just not submit the ENTIRE NaNo novel :P)
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Yes, I agree (No whole thing all at once). I'm not saying all my chapters are all 2-3 pages, it might be that I have to revise some of them together. Unfortunately this is the first time I've written more than three together and may be doing it wrong. (I'm just trying to remember how the books I've read do it.) :-[
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Well, if you aren't sure on something, then that's another wonderful thing for the Writing Group to get back to you about.
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Your right! That's why I love this idea. I want to get better! :D
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Hence why we tried to get this going.
I was pushing for the 1st because I'm impatient and wanted to get some feedback. But the 15th works well for me too.
Yes, purely selfish motives on my part.
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Hence why we tried to get this going.
I was pushing for the 1st because I'm impatient and wanted to get some feedback. But the 15th works well for me too.
Yes, purely selfish motives on my part.
Ah, but WEKM, does that mean you want to submit your first item on the 1st? I think that is the current relevant question.
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No way is NaNo writing allowed!!
::)
Yeah. If you're comfortable submitting your NaNo writing, go for it. Essentially, as long as you feel like you'll get something useful out of the critique, go for it, would be my advice. (That's why I'm not volunteering myself for the 1st - I could totally submit NaNo writing, but to do that I'd have to give you the other eight chapters first, and THAT would totally not be useful for me right now.)
It alright if I sign you up for the first, Ben? what about you, WEKM? Being impatient to get some feedback and all. ;)
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Madam Raethe, do you think it would be a stretch to ask that the original post containing emails also denote who is on which cycle?
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Haha. Great minds!
Yeah, was just thinking of doing that. Off to do that now, and I am totally not re-reading this thread first because I totally have not forgotten already what we've decided. ::)
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Not trying to be picky, but the CreamCorn part is for the thanksgiving holiday thing. My usual is AvalonDreamer.
As for great minds, damn straight. I'm taking it my assumption that you're a girl was right? The name on the site in your prof was, so I went on that assumption, lol...
I'm itching for the 1st to come around so I can send it out! My alpha readers are all liking the bit I have ready to go, but none of them are writers, with the ability to look at it academically.
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Sure, I'll change it. I have no idea what handles people usually go on this forum, so yeah, don't mind me.
And yes, entirely right. It's funny, though, the number of people who are genuinely surprised when I tell them I am a girl. I must project a particularly male vibe or something.
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I'm in if it's not too late.
Here is my email:
I post as M in Writing Excuses. I could probably post something by the 15th or sooner if needed.
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I'm late, but here goes, email:
Disclamer, my last name is Ennis. My friend set up my email acount...and got the last laugh.
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Sure, I'll change it. I have no idea what handles people usually go on this forum, so yeah, don't mind me.
And yes, entirely right. It's funny, though, the number of people who are genuinely surprised when I tell them I am a girl. I must project a particularly male vibe or something.
Maybe going into the Profile section on TWG and putting info that you are Female might help alleviate the problem :P
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My e-mail:
I'm able to submit either on the 1st or the 15th.
Oh, and Raethe, you're not the only one who might "project a particularly male vibe." I get the impression sometimes that I do, too....although I'm not entirely surprised by that. I've got three older brothers who for the longest time when I was younger I wanted to be just like....I assume my mistaken gender can be blamed on that.
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Actually when names are ambiguous in gender people tend to default to assuming that person is male.
Not sure why exactly but it probably has something to with the myth that there are no women on the internet.
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Huh, I thought I'd done that already. Changed my profile, that is...
Wilson: You blame your brothers, I'll blame my friends, since all of my friends at university are guys. I dunno about this no women on the Internet thing, since I have far more female friends online than not. ::)
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I try and pick of from how people write, actually. Raethe has a soft, imperious way about her posts that remind me oddly of my friend Kerri. Wilson, honestly I wasn't sure about you, until I saw that the pic was a girl; I thought/hoped you were RJ's Wilson, but that was wishful thinking on my part. Miyabi is another one I thought was a girl, for which I apologize (pink/purple writing? lol), but could you blame me?
Just make sure that none of you are talking monkeys, or Chaos will condemn you. ^^
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Fortunately, "talking monkey" isn't a choice in the "Gender" field :P.
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Then it helps if you give us your email so we can actually send you stuff :P
But then someone might get confused and think I'll actually comment on it!! I know it sounds weird but for now I'll just read the comments, I don't need the originals.
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Oook oook. What?
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You confused about the talking monkeys part? Me too. Maybe they'll explain.
Sorry to disappoint, Avalon, but no, I'm not RJ's Wilson. Although that would've been pretty cool.
And wait, Miyabi ISN'T a girl?....I didn't know that. Of course, I've only been around a few days, but I'd just assumed because of the font color.....Obviously I was wrong. (You know what they say about assuming...)
Hmmm. Maybe I should switch my pic to a gender-neutral one. Then I could fool more people....Even though it says on my profile that I'm a girl, so...yeah. That might not work....
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Great. You sign up, find the forum empty, go and do other stuff for a few days and now there's dozens of posts that I'm too lazy to read. I hope this hasn't been suggested before, but how about splitting things up into smaller groups, genre-wise? Because I for one would really like to join in on the fun, the length of the email list is a bit daunting, however.
Now if you've discussed all this before, just answer with a heartfelt "read the thread, dumbass".
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I still don't think it would be feasible to split groups up according to genre. I genre-hop way too much in my own work and I can't imagine I'm the only one that does. Besides, it'd be an organizational nightmare.
I do agree that that email list is getting rather large. Maybe we should have three groups instead of two. That'd mean we'd each be submitting every month and a half rather than every month...
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Oh, there are already multiple groups? Kay, I'm reading the thread now.
The groups thing was my main point anyway, genre was simply the first possibility of demarcation that sprang to mind.
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Yeah, essentially we're splitting that reading list into two groups - everybody still reads everybody's stuff, but some of us will submit on the first of each month and some of us will submit on the fifteenth of each month.
Ideally we'll have a half and half split, but right now we've only got 3 or 4 people submitting on the 1st, which means we'll have like 11 people submitting on the 15th. I'm hoping we get a couple more takers for the first submission.
(Hint hint. I'd do it myself, but I don't have anything worth submitting right now that hasn't already been workshopped to death.)
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I can submit on the first. But I do have a question on time frames for response to submissions: is it up to the end of the thirty day period, or until the next set of submissions?
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All right, sign me up:
I probably won't be submitting anything myself for a while, what with ink on paper being not exactly easily mailable and all, but I aim to begin digitalisation sometime early next year...
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I know that this idea might not go over too well but after looking at the email list, the task of reading and critiquing potentially 10 people's submissions all at once is a little daunting. I know we wouldn't have to do them all in one day, but with them sent to me on the same day I know I would probably end up not reading all of the submissions and I'm almost positive I wouldn't critique all of them.
Which is why I think we should give each person their own day. One person submits on the 1st, one on the 3rd, one on the 5th, etc. Since there are 14 people, having one submission to read and critique every other day would probably work out pretty well. And if more people join, we could easily assign two people to a certain day. We wouldn't have to stop critiquing one story after the next one is submitted, but hopefully we'll be getting to the end of that critique and can focus more on the next one.
It would be more complicated to set up the submission schedule, but once it's set up I think the process would flow better.
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That is true, but on the other hand, we don't know how many total people are going to register for the mailing list. There could come a point where all the different dates are chaos.
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It alright if I sign you up for the first, Ben?
Yes,that's fine, I'll be ready.
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Here's a thought: any people attempting to join after the 15th of next month have to submit a piece and be approved?
It seems like the group is growing kinda fast, and uncontrolled growth leads to mediocrity. It's why the romans died.
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That's not a bad idea, Avalon, but...it seems kind of harsh. I mean, this is a group to get help on writing, and if you submit work to get it approved to BE in the group, what happens to those who don't get in? How would the people on the "Approval Committee" break that to them? "Oh, well, your work is so hopeless, we can't do anything to help you improve it."....Ouch. That's not exactly an enviable position....
I agree that we're getting a lot of people....So maybe we SHOULD do it by genre. Nothing major, just two seperate groups--fantasy and everything else. Go by the overall theme, I guess. What would you classify your book as? And if a user wants to review books in both groups, have at it.
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Why not just simply say anyone who joins after the first rounds has to be in their own group? I mean, we can have anyone who joins by the first be one group. If you're intrested after that, you start a topic that is "group two e-mails" and they set their stuff up with one of us moding (is someone an offical mod for this area?) to help out as needed.
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Well, I didn't mean that we'd reject poorly written stuff, I meant that if you wanted in, you needed to show that you have some sort of cohesive idea for a project, and have enough initiative to write it up a little bit. My girlfriend's writing group requires that you have a sponsor AND submit a piece to get into the group.
Basically, it wouldn't be a filtration process for bad writers, merely a way of weeding out the kind of people we wouldn't want in the group (here I invoke the name UtopiaGreen...) - essentially trolls and people too lazy to do what we ask to get in.
Our Mod is the uncanny Fellfrosch (who is himself, a writer...), at the moment. We are looking into having someone else here to be a more active monitor of the board.
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I have a potential strategy. It is as elegant as it is simple.
Wait and see. I don't know about you, but December 15th feels like an eternity away (though, that may just be because I have so much freakin' work to do before that date will roll around). Therefore, it may be just a little premature to start uber-structuring this stuff before we even get the first submissions.
Oh, you wanted like an actual strategy? Well, that's good, because I have one of those, too! If Reading Excuses' growth increases at a constant upward rate, well, then obviously that would get extremely hectic very quickly. I think too many submission dates would needlessly complicate the process. Instead, how about we eventually subdivide the main Reading Excuses group into smaller sub-groups. A group of five, six, or seven is not difficult to deal with, and I think the main issue here is that we could have too many people/submissions to deal with in a single time frame. Well, sub-groups would solve that problem. It's less to keep track of, at least.
The problem with sub-groups would then be, how do we determine sub-groups? For this, it may just be necessary to wait and see how the December submissions go and roll from there.
Of course, there are a few problems with sub-groups. Firstly, if everyone is divided into their cushy sub-group, then that does not immediately "invite" new writers into Reading Excuses. I don't know about you, but I think the more, the merrier, here. The key is just to utilize the manpower (and fresh writers and ideas) in a coherent way. We don't want anyone to feel alienated.
One potential solution to the alienation issue is to rotate writing groups. That way, more ideas and feedback can get flowing. Unfortunately, this also has drawbacks, because for people submitting lots of chapters of a single work, it's not easy to just say "Oh, now the new subgroup gets to read this heap of pages!"
Since any of these potential methods have drawbacks, I think it would be better to just sit back through the December submissions and see how it goes. For all we know, the new people entering Reading Excuses could level off and we get a more manageable group to work with. Or, people might just look through their emails and pick the submissions they want to critique and by some miracle, it turns out that people are critiquing works at a pretty consistent amount, enough so that it would no longer be practical to divide in sub-groups.
We just don't right now. Let's wait a little bit.
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So... You recommend we sit back and wait... do you know who else sits back and waits....
COMMIES!
Actually, I'm rather fond of the rotation ability, because it solves a few issues all at once... If you only need to write responses to a small group to keep up your ratio, and the group is defined for you, it's only a nightmare on the back-end, and I'm not adverse to helping our mod (*cough* Raethe *cough*) figure out the groups and such for each rotation, and I'm sure Chaos isn't either, eh?... Comrade?!
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Well, let's keep our pants on (in fact, let's just do that anyways) and hold tight. We will see how December goes, and if sub-groups are necessary, then we can press through that route.
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I agree that we should just wait it out. I mean, by that time half of the people may decide they're not up to critiquing, and since we've agreed on a 1:1 ratio (if you send out, you critique) thing, then they'll get dropped. I mean, the people who have signed up compaired to the people active in trying to decide and help out is quite a bit smaller. I think the group will be similar.
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I do agree on waiting, despite my earlier insanity. Prudence and consideration shall set our course, for the hand of man is unfortunately imperfect, while the beauty of nature's chaos is undeniable.
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I don't think we should put a limit on the time frame we have for getting critiques to people. Obviously the sooner the better but frankly, for our later submissions (the December ones don't concern me, because I'll be out of school) I will have a LOT of trouble giving people the critiques they deserve if we have to do it within two weeks or whatever. A deadline like that will also make the number of people we critique every time look a LOT more daunting.
Flo - I'll sign you up as just a critiquer for the moment, rather than for a submission deadline. Rose, did you say you wanted to submit on the 15th, or just wanted to help critique for now? Sorry, I forget.
I think Chaos had it right - our best bet is to wait and see how things work out before we start banging our heads over the problems that we might potentially run into someday. I think there will be pros and cons to any strategy we use, such as alternating groups or whatever, but heck. We're just getting started here. Let's just burn that bridge when we get there.
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I don't think we should put a limit on the time frame we have for getting critiques to people. Obviously the sooner the better but frankly, for our later submissions (the December ones don't concern me, because I'll be out of school) I will have a LOT of trouble giving people the critiques they deserve if we have to do it within two weeks or whatever. A deadline like that will also make the number of people we critique every time look a LOT more daunting.
I'm opposed to a critique deadline. And really, a deadline isn't absolutely vital, since the submissions are still going to be in the email box once it's all said and done, no matter how much time passes. They aren't going to vanish, so there's always more time.
However, it would be nice if people critiqued a work before the next submission from the same author. For example, once I submit a chapter, it would be good if it was critiqued before I sent in the next one.
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I said I'll wait for a little bit. I simply know that my book compleately sucks at this point, and the 15th won't be enough time to finish it, let alone edit it so other eyes can see it. (and I don't want to do any editing until it's all done, in case at the very end I get a stroke of genious and have to go back and drop the foreshadowing in as I write it so I know where it should be.)
Also, I say that we should say rather then a time frame to cirtique have it be a "well, here's the chapter, update it when you can" because if we are all reading 15 pieces at 7+ pages each, then it will take a while.
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I think that's a good goal to hold ourselves to, yes. I don't think we should make it "if you don't do it you get kicked out of the group" (unless it becomes obvious that somebody's sandbagging) but I think that in most cases that should be a fairly reasonable amount of time.
I would say that the ONE time we ought to give ourselves any deadlines, as such, is if somebody's preparing a piece for submission to an anthology with deadline X (or whatever). It seems to me that if someone's looking to shop an MS and they're themselves running on a deadline, they should be able to let us know and we can then make a point of doing that person's first, or whatever.
Okay, I'll sign you up for just critiques for the moment then Rose. :)
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I think it should be said that not all of us have to read all of the submissions that arrive in the inbox. If the 1:1 ratio still applies, well, you could have a lazy month of just critiquing one thing. Now, I find that 1:1 is not very helpful to specific pieces (the more people critiquing a single work, the better), so while it would be nice to do a lot more--in fact, highly smiled upon to do more--it's important to remember that none of us are superhumans. No need to critique all 15 submissions if you aren't capable of that sort of workload.
I think I'd only be able to go with 10~15 submissions per month as my maximum workload, but that's purely a guesstimate on my part. I would like to read as much as I can, honestly, so I would never arbitrarily limit myself to a certain amount of works. However, it becomes counter-productive if we need to critique so much that it is cutting into our own writing time.
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You know how there are site awards for writing reviews and participating in contests and such? Maybe would could get one instated for RE contributers who have a good ratio or w/e. I know it's about as vapor as brownie points, but still...
I'm really freaking tired...
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I like the idea of a rating system for contributors. Or, at least, a counter for the number of pieces you have submitted and the number of pieces you have workshopped.
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I think we're going to have to be fairly informal on this one and just say do what you can, when you can. The problem with making a 1:1 ratio "official" is depending on what people picked to critique, some people might not get critiqued at all. And as you said, the more critiques a person can get one piece, generally speaking, the better.
In an ideal world, everybody would critique everything that gets sent out. In an ideal world. I suggest we strive for that as much as possible without killing ourselves.
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I think we're going to have to be fairly informal on this one and just say do what you can, when you can. The problem with making a 1:1 ratio "official" is depending on what people picked to critique, some people might not get critiqued at all. And as you said, the more critiques a person can get one piece, generally speaking, the better.
In an ideal world, everybody would critique everything that gets sent out. In an ideal world. I suggest we strive for that as much as possible without killing ourselves.
Yes. We appear to be on exactly the same page here.
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Not having to critique each and every mail I receive to stay in the group sounds absolutely marvelous to me. ;D
A list of who did how much sounds like a good idea, too, although I wouldn't want to be the one responsible for managing that list.
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Sorry, Flo, what do you mean by "who did how much"?
(Yeah, don't mind me - confusion is more or less my natural state.)
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Submissions and critiques is what I meant. "Who did how much work" might have made things clearer, if only slightly. I've had a long day, coffee hasn't kicked in yet, I'm too tired to think straight, let alone write intelligibly.
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Let me see if I have this right:
1. We don't have to review every submission. And,
2. There are no deadlines.
What if one or two submissions don't get reviewed at all?
Would it be possible to "call" a particular manuscript?
people 1, 2, and 3 submit to review
and then people post to say they are reviewing this one or that one; i.e.
x-person #2 submission,
y-person #1 submission, and
z-person #3 submission
Maybe this way we can make sure no one gets lost in the shuffle when we have 17 submissions but only 7 people can review that time around; for whatever reasons that might comes up. Life often intrudes.
Also, this would encourage others to submit by the hypothetical deadline, as you might not get reviewed if you wait to long to submit.
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Ok so per advise from Chaos Im posting here to join your group.
E-mail:
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There is the deadline for submission--that much needs to be in place so us procrastinating writers don't delay things too long. However, there's no deadline for critiquing.
I think if works don't get critiqued, we can always post a little disclaimer saying "This piece hasn't been critiqued yet" to grab people's attentions. Above that, we should play this first month by ear and see how it goes. If there is a serious problem with lack of critiquing, well, first there will be some scolding involved on the critiquers, perhaps :P but then we can institute a system to ensure critiquing.
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Again, I agree. At this point, I don't honestly think there'll be a problem - there are a lot of us, so even if we only critique two or three each we should probably have everyone covered... yeah, I'd just wait and see.
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It looks like we need some more submitters for the 1st. I'll be ready by then, so you can put my name down if you want.
And I agree about waiting to see if we'll need some sub-groups....and other things for the rules (like the ratio, and making sure that all submissions get reviewed).
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Okay. Kendra's down for the first and Erik's email is on there. :)
Yeah, I'd actually really rather avoid subgroups if we can - but yes, we're getting waaay ahead of ourselves.
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Have we agreed on some sort of tag for the mails? Being able to shield them from the attentions of overzealous spam filters would be quite handy, I think.
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I would think something like "Writing group submission for (insert date) by (name)" would work just fine. Because then it would be nice for us to easily see when it was sent, and for when.
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... and "writing group submission" is highly unlikely to feature in an email about not at all dubious sources of cheap pharmaceuticals. :D
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Well, you can set up most e-mail programs to look for certain things in the subject line and automatically put them in a specific folder. So not only would they more then likely not go in your junk folder, you wouldn't have them in your inbox either.
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Yeah, I kinda like the "reading excuses submission - date - name" format. Good idea, Flo.
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I would be willing to submit on Dec. 1st, if there is still room for that.
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There sure is. I'll put you down. :)
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Anyone else itching for that magic day to come around? We should all get cupcakes and candles and celebrate the Grand Opening of RE on the first...
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That's a great idea! I say the celebration should entail a practice for the evil-laughing chorus, too....It should come after we all stuff our faces with chocolate cupcakes, so that way our vocal chords are in the worst possible condition for laughing (assuming laughing works the same as singing....which I don't think it really does, but oh well....).
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You plan, but I'll focus on working on my submission for the 1st :P Busy busy...
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Mine's almost ready. After my trip out to Iowa, it ought to be perfectly ready. ^^
I've been thinking about ways we could be awesomer, though: what about a bit of HTML for signatures that points to a neat RE graphic that links back to the board? Spread the love!
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That would be pretty sweet. I say let's do it!....And no, I'm not volunteering. I'm not technologically savvy enough for that.
If the graphic was cool enough, we could totally become the most envied people on here. Us and our sweet Evil Laughing Chorus. Just as a reference, here's how it would look: us and our ELC-- 8) Everyone else-- :o
And now I really need to get back to editing my submission for Dec 1st...
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I have Photoshop. I can totally make "art" by just making some cool text effects.
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alright what the hey. add me.
I think we will end up needing more than one group. 7-10 seems like an optimum number.
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Do it! If you need someone to scratch up the HTML or host the image, I can take care of that. My artistry is limited to writing.
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Okay, late arrival. I'm still recovering from the internet-deprived wild and wooly weekend. So get me on this list, pronto!
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I can do some pretty decent art minips if we needed something for siggys. I play around with photoshop in my spare time and often look for things to do when I get bored. If anyone has some ideas on what it should look like I can make up a couple of examples and we can decide on something "offical"
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Reaves and Karl, I'll add you guys to the list. When do you guys want to submit, the 1st or the 15th?
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I would like to submit on the 1st, just because I'm rearing to go, (and I desperately need the feedback).
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Haha, I figured you might. I'll put you down.
Awesome. I think whichever date Karl and Reaves pick, we'll be at a relatively even split. Hooray.
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I'll put you down.
Now we know what happens if we show too much enthusiasm. Fly you fools! She can't get us all if we run in different directions!
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Hahaha. That was actually pretty funny.
Sigh. And I suppose I have to admit I deserved that. ::)
Fine. I'll put you down to submit for December 1st.
:P
Hey, it's three in the morning. I don't HAVE to be clear.
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Jeeze, I didn't think you'd go so tyrannical so fast... Figured Chaos would have, though. ^^ lol
What're our current authors and readers counts?
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Wow, I feel kind of stupid now. I didn't get that joke at first.....probably because I read "to submit on December 1st" into it and not just the "I'll put you down.".....To give myself some credit, though, I did catch the LotR reference.....It seems that's what I'm best at doing--catching movie references made, since I also noticed Chaos's reference to PotC.....So I fail on the jokes, but I score on pop culture....I guess that works.
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*cracks whip*
I mean, uhh, what?
Haha. I fail on pop culture references (as I believe I've already demonstrated somewhere on these boards. I forget what the conversation was about though).
There are eighteen of us on the list, two of whom have elected to just critique for now and will start submitting when they're ready. Of the rest, seven of us have signed up to submit on December first.
Sounds manageable enough, no? :)
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Now I just need to make sure I actually get this revision for this chapter I'm working on done. The submission deadline is scarily close.
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I feel the same way about the NaNoWriMo deadline. Only 7070 words. AUGH!
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Not only that, I have this Multi-genre project for my English 339 course which is due on December 2nd, and I've barely begun.
I'm beginning to doubt whether I can even hit the submission deadline of the 1st. Hopefully, I can, but it is also possible I can't. We shall see.
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Hmm... Are joins still open? If so, put me down for the 15th. If not, I hate you all. ;)
email:
disposition: aggressive
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Not that you would ever give us an ultimatum, or anything like that. ::)
Make that nineteen of us.
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I'd prefer the first but really I'm good with whatever.
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The first it is.
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Not that you would ever give us an ultimatum, or anything like that. ::)
Me? Never!
Thank you! ;D
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Is twenty people fine? If so, sign me up!
Nanowrimo is taking my time, so I'll try for the fifteenth.
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You're in.
We might have to start thinking about subgroups after all. Still, I think we should at least wait through our first two submissions and see what's what before we start trying to organize that.
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Haha, I figured you might. I'll put you down.
Just be sure and give any positive feedback first. ;)
If nothing else, you can always say that at least I know how to spell "teh".
DOH!
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As much as I hate to say it, but I'm afraid I must recant a bit. It seems unlikely that I will be able to get my chapter revision done by the 1st. English 339 and the two things I need to get done for that class must take greater priority, I'm afraid. Barring a miracle, I would need to submit on the 15th. Sorry.
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Let me get this straight... you are just 18, in your first semester AND have a 300-level class? Should I be impressed or afraid?!?
Is your chapter readable? Doesn't need to be the latest revision as long as we can understand complete sentences.
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Not only that, but I'm not even an English major. I took English 339 because I wanted to :P
And yes, there is a slightly older version of the same scene. It's readable, I just want to spice it up a little bit. For example, one of my spicier additions is to make the torture just a tad more explicit...
Er... You didn't hear that :P
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Alright, I'll change it. Since it's the first submission and you told us in advance, we won't even break out the Evil Laughing Chorus.
Sorry, Karl - did you ever say when you wanted to submit, the first or the fifteenth?
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Well, there's still a slight possibility I could just give you the un-revised scene. I don't know. We'll wait and see :P
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Since it's the first submission and you told us in advance, we won't even break out the Evil Laughing Chorus.
Aaaawww :-[
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Raethe -- actually I hadn't mentioned when. Don't really mind either way.
Are folks submitting their current chapters only, or will they feed it to us from the beginning?
Since I'm working on a series of short scripts (roughly equivalent to chapters) I had figured to start with the first one and work from there. I've written scripts #1,2,3 & 5 (chronologically), and am working on #4 now. Only the first two have been significantly rewritten, and I'm sure there are problems in each.
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And yes, there is a slightly older version of the same scene. It's readable, I just want to spice it up a little bit. For example, one of my spicier additions is to make the torture just a tad more explicit...
wow your character is getting tortured in chapter one?? I pity him/her/it...
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I'm sure the torture scene merely sets the mood before the musical interlude.
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And yes, there is a slightly older version of the same scene. It's readable, I just want to spice it up a little bit. For example, one of my spicier additions is to make the torture just a tad more explicit...
wow your character is getting tortured in chapter one?? I pity him/her/it...
:D I would tell you more, but I find it far more fun to tease you all.
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I think most people are submitting their first chapters. If you want to submit something later, I don't really see a problem with that. You should probably write us a brief synopsis so we know what's going on.
The only thing to keep in mind that reading a synopsis doesn't give us the effect as reading the actual chapters. People might have questions or concerns based on the synopsis that aren't quite relevant. You just have to be able to throw those away.
Karl, I think I'll put you down for December 1st then. That way we'll have nine and nine sumissions, plus our two readers.
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I think most people are submitting their first chapters. If you want to submit something later, I don't really see a problem with that. You should probably write us a brief synopsis so we know what's going on.
The only thing to keep in mind that reading a synopsis doesn't give us the effect as reading the actual chapters. People might have questions or concerns based on the synopsis that aren't quite relevant. You just have to be able to throw those away.
Karl, I think I'll put you down for December 1st then. That way we'll have nine and nine sumissions, plus our two readers.
Excellent. Looks like things are shaping up quite nicely.
Also I agree a synopsis isn't a whole lot of help. The whole point of this is to improve writing skills, not how well you know your story.
Take that with a bit of salt. After all synopses count as writing too.
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There's a time and a place for synopses. I got the go-ahead to work on my current novel for one of my classes this year. Problem was, it was already 40,000 words long, and I couldn't exactly ask my classmates to read all that just to get up to speed. Besides, the first chapters had already been workshopped to death, and need significant plot-important rewrites anyway. Getting those first eight chapters workshopped again would not have been at all useful for me, but getting critiques for what comes after is much more helpful to me. So I wrote a synopsis. It got everybody up to speed on the most important parts, and for that, it's useful.
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Hey, all.
Email:
Submission: 15th Dec.
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There's a time and a place for synopses. I got the go-ahead to work on my current novel for one of my classes this year. Problem was, it was already 40,000 words long, and I couldn't exactly ask my classmates to read all that just to get up to speed. Besides, the first chapters had already been workshopped to death, and need significant plot-important rewrites anyway. Getting those first eight chapters workshopped again would not have been at all useful for me, but getting critiques for what comes after is much more helpful to me. So I wrote a synopsis. It got everybody up to speed on the most important parts, and for that, it's useful.
I stand corrected :)
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Sounds like this should belong in Writing Group? Anyone mind if I move it?
Also: You people should probably not be plastering your email addresses all over the forum, as this forum is open to the public and your email addresses are likely to be the receivers of much spam. Consider keeping the email addresses scrambled, or, better, yet, kept to private messages.
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Actually, Knight, this is expressly for Reading Excuses, which was requested by fans of Writing Excuses. It's a bit different from the regular writing group stuff.
As for the emails... that's a very good point. Private messages, though, aren't exactly the most intuitive thing for our purposes, but something should be done to hide them somehow.
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Psst~ Generous, this is a secret forum. Log out and you will see. 8)
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Psst~ Generous, this is a secret forum. Log out and you will see. 8)
Hmmm, that's something I certainly did not know before... Interesting.
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Fascinating. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
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Anyone care if I email my piece early? No point waiting until Dec 1 if its just sitting here. That would give us a chance to work on any other bugs in the system and stagger the reading a bit.
I will wait for others opinions, but could send it out Tuesday.
Side note: I am blocked from accessing this forum at work now. I could get in last week, but not this week. Bummer.
2nd note: wish me luck on my job interview tomorrow. It's with the same company that I'm at, so it's not like I'm out of work. But my job pays for my hobbies, and a raise would not go amiss. I know who 7 of the 12 interviewees are, and the competition is pretty formidable.
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Good Luck! Hope you get it! :D
I do not object, sounds like a plan.
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Good luck on your job interview, man.
As for mailing it early, I think it's better to wait. I understand it seems it a bit pointless, but I think it's a very good policy that we stick to the two submission dates. Imagine if we had ten more members on Reading Excuses (total of 30) and they began submitting at weird times. It would get chaotic really fast.
I'd prefer to try out this structure for the first month. If it's horrible, we'll do some staggering thing, but right now, it would be a bit easier if the December submissions actually occurred in December.
I'm also intending to do another FAQ for the process of submitting and all of the formatting things that go along with it (like the format for making the topic title you'd create and such) just so we are all on the same page with that. I'd like to wait a little nearer to Thanksgiving before I make that quick FAQ. And yes, I think it's already on the Rules of Reading Excuses topic, but it would be a lot better if the FAQ for submitting was easy to find, so it needs to be a separate topic for the sake of clarity.
And for purely selfish reasons, if you waited to submit on December 1st, that would prevent me from getting distracted reading your stuff, which is probably a heck of a lot more interesting than my schoolwork...
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Yeah, I rather not get any more distracted from WriMo...
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XDD
Chaos makes a good point RE: schoolwork. (And Sortitus makes the same good point RE: WriMo.)
I wouldn't have objected to you sending it early (of course, I already HAVE it, so it's not like it matters to me) but Chaos makes a good point, I think.
Also: Good luck.
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I shall cater to the whims of the masses. I shall wait.
But now it seems like a challenge to attempt to distract Chaos...
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No, the only challenge is to keep myself on task :P It's not hard to get me distracted.
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News: I may just reach December 1st after all. Today's plane flight was simply phenomenal for writing :D
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And yes, there is a slightly older version of the same scene. It's readable, I just want to spice it up a little bit. For example, one of my spicier additions is to make the torture just a tad more explicit...
wow your character is getting tortured in chapter one?? I pity him/her/it...
:D I would tell you more, but I find it far more fun to tease you all.
Hmm...I just realized you aren't nearly as cruel as I thought. Compared to me at least. After all, my main character dies in chapter 2.
What were you saying about teasing?
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Wait... we have an undead mc? This could get intresting. Unless they stay dead, and which point I ask how can you have the mc die so soon and still be the mc?
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Part of it has to do with misunderstandings the characters have about the world. Part of it has to do with the magic system.
lol he is not undead. That would be creepy.
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'E's not dead. 'E's pining for the fjords!
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No, the only challenge is to keep myself on task :P It's not hard to get me distracted.
Chaos look, SOMETHING SHINY!
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WHERE!?
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*cough*
I said nothing.
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'E's not dead. 'E's pining for the fjords!
Pinin' for the fjords? What kind of talk is that?
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No, the only challenge is to keep myself on task :P It's not hard to get me distracted.
Chaos look, SOMETHING SHINY!
If it isn't the shiny glint of a can of Dr. Pepper, I must pass :P
And yes, there is a slightly older version of the same scene. It's readable, I just want to spice it up a little bit. For example, one of my spicier additions is to make the torture just a tad more explicit...
wow your character is getting tortured in chapter one?? I pity him/her/it...
:D I would tell you more, but I find it far more fun to tease you all.
Hmm...I just realized you aren't nearly as cruel as I thought. Compared to me at least. After all, my main character dies in chapter 2.
What were you saying about teasing?
Oh, my main character isn't getting tortured. He is the torturer :D
I mean... "interrogater". Sort of.
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Inquisitor Glokta FTW!
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'E's not dead. 'E's pining for the fjords!
Pinin' for the fjords? What kind of talk is that?
Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Norwegian Blues stun easily, major.
Lovely plumage!
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Well this is getting rather silly, isn't it?
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Yer only just noticin'?
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Mine will be being sent later today, possibly after midnight. I'm out of town and ended up without a connection that lets me upload... blegh.
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Well, I suppose we can hold back the Evil Laughing Chorus for that. Just this once. ::)
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Hmm. I'm thinking that maybe in the post where I list everyone's submission dates, I might also find like.. I dunno... an image of a checkmark or something to put in front of everybody's names who HAS submitted, or something. I figure if we can all just look at that one post and see exactly who's submitted and who hasn't it will keep us all more motivated. ;)
Not anticipating any problems this month while we're all still on the "WHEE! This is brand new and therefore awesome!!" phase but you know, it might just come in handy later...
Edit: Heck, I'm making this more compliated than it is. The forum has emoticons, we can just use happy/sad faces.
Whaddya guys think? Decent idea?
( ;D yes, :( no, :o late? or what?)
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I am thinking perhaps we should move the December 15 submittance date to the 8th. Really, I don't want to wait another 2 weeks until we get to the second half of submissions. I don't think anyone is feeling overwhelmed by too much material, so really we might as well have something being sent out every week. Agree? Disagree?
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Haha. I still haven't even decided what I'm going to submit - I doubt I'd have anything ready by the eighth.
And I know a lot of us are students, which means we're into - or heading into - the winter break right now. I doubt I'd be able to keep up that pace come January, say, and I'd be surprised if I was the only one who felt that way.
Still - what do others think?
(I mean, maybe it IS just me, and if that's the case I'm not going to rain on everyone else's parade.)
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I'm fine with submissions every week.
If we do this, I think we should probably lay the Evil Laughing Chorus off a bit. There are quite a few students on here who may miss a few submissions during school. But with it doubled up, if you miss, you only have to wait 2 weeks for the next submission, instead of a month. And then it's not so "Oh it's my submission date, I HAVE to get this in" and so you put off other, slightly more important stuff such as schoolwork (that's what I would do, anyway....).
And it makes the whole process faster. Some of us aren't finished with our books, but some are, or close. This makes it so you don't have to wait one month per submission. I mean, if you've got a 15 chapter novel going, and each chapter is over 3k, that's only one chapter a month. That takes over a year...At least if you want to get it all reviewed here. That's a long time....
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I'd been thinking the same thing. :/ It's definitely a problem.
I'm still not sure that I personally can keep up with biweekly submissions, and it'll make things more difficult in terms of making sure everybody gets at least a couple of decent reviews every time - which is what I'm really worried about.
Still, though, we can certainly give it a try. We're pretty much in trial runs right now anyway, so it can't hurt.
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I'm more for the two diffrent ones. That gives me two weeks to read through everything, comment, as well as work, and doing my own book. I'm not a studen (yet) but I barely have enough time as it is (as you can tell by the lack of comments)
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Yeah, same here, for the reading...I've read one work that was sent to me. I plan to read the others, but I'm in the last 1 1/2 weeks of school, so I've gotta keep up with that as well.
It doesn't hurt to try it out....There's a good chance it won't work (with the reading and reviewing, anyway), and if it doesn't, we can always switch back to two per month. And then we'll know that 4 just doesn't work...
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That's pretty much what I was thinking, Wilson.
I started a new thread for this discussion because I wasn't sure people were still following this thread, and I wanted to make sure everybody saw it and got their two cents in before we make any decisions.
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Try having a full time job plus attending a class!
I've managed to read over half the submissions, and comment on them as well. But I don't think I can keep up this reading/critiquing pass on a weekly basis.
And if some folks have all that extra time, they should spend it writing!!
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And if some folks have all that extra time, they should spend it writing!!
Which is kind of the point of doing more submissions.
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Try having a full time job plus attending a class!
I've managed to read over half the submissions, and comment on them as well. But I don't think I can keep up this reading/critiquing pass on a weekly basis.
And if some folks have all that extra time, they should spend it writing!!
Everyone else puts me to shame. I haven't looked at a single piece yet. Soon... soon I shall...
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Don't know why this was running through my brain:
"The first rule of write club is that you don't talk about write club. The second rule of write club is that you don't talk about write club. The third rule -- if this is your first night at write club, you have to write!"
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HAHA!
We should make that our slogan.
<3
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I'm only finding time to read up on the forums now.
I'd like to request a place on the readers list for the time being please. Everything I've written in the past year is in Dutch and although I'm quite keen to see where I stand with my English work I will need some time to make a decent translation.
That said my time is currently being filled by a 100k MS which was supposed to end up at 200k but hasn't reached the halfway point of the story yet :-\ Taming that has priority at the moment.
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Sure, done.
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Everyone else puts me to shame. I haven't looked at a single piece yet. Soon... soon I shall...
Not everyone else... by tomorrow evening I'll have done most of what bogged me down these last two weeks, though, and then there'll be only the writing of one short essay standing between me and all those shiny submissions... 'bout time.
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Haha. No worries. I've been letting all those shiny submissions get between me and my assignments, because I'm a bad girl...
Speaking of which, I have an essay due - well wouldya look at that - today!
I'd better get started. ::)
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Ah well lets not feel bad about not contributing. Honestly I have read two of the submissions so far but I have yet to comment. I didn't submit anything AND I am trying this writing thing out for the first time and it turns out that it isn't as easy as some might think. I hope you are prepaired for the next submission date where you get to possibly read what I put out. I could be quite scary.
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New to writing, and you're still brave enough to join us? Good for you. :)
I concur, though, if you haven't had time to contribute yet, you haven't had time. We understand. :)
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Yeah well I figured I like reading enough and I talk about it enough . I spend enough time here with you crazy people theorizing and debating that I might as well try it out. I have plenty of ideas going around in my head so I think I can spare some. We shall see, I have something in the works right now and once we figure out this submission thing I might be ready to submit.
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I may not always submit when it's my turn. I'm still pretty new at writing but I am interested in being a part of a place where someone can give me some feedback. I'm always willing to read though and give my thoughts. :)
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Got you. I won't ask you about submission dates until we decide what we're doing. You can weigh in on that thread if you want.
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Okay, so I have a completed fantasy novel I need help editing, so my friend, Kendra or Lil Wilson, recommended I go here. I am not very blog/forum thread savy, and am easily confused, but I am working on it. I know you are working on putting up a new system, but I can submit/read anytime you can work me in. Thank you!
Jacque/Frog
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Oh well if little_wilson told you to join us then forget it. . .
Im kidding, welcome. We are happy to have you here and I look forward to reading your submissions.
Tell your buddy wilson that I am ready to duel any time and any place.
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You are such a punk....
And I'm ready too. I've been ready for the last two days. I'm just waiting on you. ;D
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I told you (Wilson) that the internet was a scary and dangerous place. I'm just feeling the love already... ;)
I'll hold him, you punch...or not. (name that movie!)
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Haha. Yes, this is how we show affection.
You can submit on the fifteenth if you want, Frog, along with those of us who are already submitting. If you'd rather wait, I'll let you know once we figure out what we're doing.
Tamyrlin (I spelled that correctly, right?) the same goes for you. I know we probably seem a little disorganized; it's only 'cause we're brand new.
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Okay, will do. Thank you!
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Hey no holding thats not fair.
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You're a tough-butt squad leader. I'm sure you can take it. ::)
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Good call, your right Silk "Never show weakness". Go ahead hold me down I dont mind.
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*Throws yellow flag*
"HOLDING! Roughing the writer. Three paragraph penalty. First chapter!"
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Frog--the movie is Mulan. Great movie. Love it.....Now I want to watch it...
Holding is PERFECTLY fair. With your height, it's not like it would make much of a difference. Frog really isn't that much taller than me...
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*Throws yellow flag*
"HOLDING! Roughing the writer. Three paragraph penalty. First chapter!"
Lmao! :D
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I will probably sit this one out. I have about 2,000 words right now, but I'd like to finish the chapter I am on before I send it and the short prologue in.
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Wilson: He could stand on your shoulders?
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He? You mean me? I am definitely a female frog (frog, not dog, though we can debate that later if you feel so inclined) :)
Thank you for getting the quote, Wilson. Full points to you. Before you ask, I’m not sure how you can redeem them…but you have my permission to watch the movie anyway.
I am little offended that no one seems to think I am capable of cyberly holding someone’s hands behind their back long enough for Wilson to punch them except for the person that yellow carded me… (Do you think that will show up on my permanent record?)
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(Do you think that will show up on my permanent record?)
Only if they include the cover sheet on the TPS report.
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Oh good. No one ever remembers that...
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Where's my stapler? :-\
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Oh this is fun. I have a feeling that we have begun to hijack this thread. It feels like its going the way of the Titles thread. I dont mind.
I hope you dont have the ability to hold me down, I would feel inadequate if one female held me down while another beat me. Thats just me.
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Sorry Frog. I guess I've been mistaken for male one too many times online, and am now doing it to other people?
Monsta: Women can be pretty vicious creatures. I wouldn't feel too bad about it. ~^
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Maybe he feels the same way about women as he does about short people....Or maybe it's just the combination of the two....If I was a tall guy, I'd probably feel humiliated if two short girls beat me up, too....But alas, I'm in the "short girl" category, so I don't have to worry about that kind of humiliation. ;D
Ah, the joys of being mistaken for a guy online....I'm with Silk. Happened to me a lot. I don't really care anymore. In fact, I think it's kinda funny....like that duel. Wasn't me who pointed out Jade's error....
And back to the beating....Frog very well could hold you down. At least, I hope she can, because I don't think I'd be very successful beating on you if your arms were free. It could be somewhat problematic....
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If two fine ladies threatened to accost me, I would have to play the gentleman and surrender...
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Wait, there are women on the internet? :o
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Hahahaha, Flo that was awesome.
Its not that I have a problem with women or short people. Its more of a pride thing. If two women came at me and one held me while the other beat me I might as well have that procedure done that Pare is thinking of over in the Titles thread.
Although it may be fun to be accosted by two women for a little while, the end result might not be too nice. And who's a gentlemen these days. I would probably run.
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hey, I like to be accosted, it can be fun! :o
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I don't think the original intent of the accosting was to be fun....But that could be easily changed.
I thought you said nothing would be worth getting a gender change? Or is being beaten up by two girls the one thing that is?
Ya know, gentlemen aren't completely extinct. Sure, they're a dying race but....that can be changed too.
And Monsta, are you still up for dueling?
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And another obscure quote that pretty much sums up this experience for me: Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them. (yes, I am always quoting movies, you may just have to get used to it.)
So yeah, I would never 'accost' a gentlemen but if you are going to a punk... I make no promises.
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Fair fights?! Ha! There is utterly no excuse in a fair fight.
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Frog, I considered writing a conversation between to people solely in movie quotes. Sound like a nifty idea at first, but then sounds really tedious and boring in fact.
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til ya understand who's in ruttin' command here. Now we're finishing this deal."
Yeah, I too tend to use a lot of quotes.
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I do too, except my quotes are song lyrics not movie quotes. ::)
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I don't, because I can never remember any that are of any use, ever.
"These are not the droids you're looking for."
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Occasionally I'll quote movies....More often, though, I will make references. And most of the time, those references are to Star Wars....Star Wars rocks.
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Is this the point where I again reinforce the notion that I'm terribly old by saying 'yeah, I remember seeing Star Wars in the theater...'
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But that doesn't really work, because they re-aired in theatre before Phantom Menace came out....I know, because my brother is a HUGE Star Wars freak, and he was ecstatic that he'd get to see them in theatres.
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I saw Star Wars when it came out in theatre. The first time.
In fact I saw the original (I remember this 'cause I was iffy about seeing the new Star Wars because of it) but I'm pretty sure that wasn't in theatre.
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Silk--Are you referring to The Phantom Menace as the Star Wars you saw in theatre the first time? Because I'm positive you're not old enough to have seen the Original Trilogy in theatre the first time (New Hope--1977, Empire Strikes Back--1980, Return of the Jedi--1983).
You didn't like the original? Sad. I think the Original Trilogy is by far the best. Phantom Menace is okay. Attack of the Clones? Meh. Revenge of the Sith? Story is okay, acting (Hayden in particular) was terrible :( Original Trilogy=love. Empire Strikes Back=more love.
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I don't really remember, but - I seem to recall there being the original trilogy, and then later there was a remake of the same three Star Wars movies - yes? Or am I off on this one? Because it seems to me that the latter was what I saw in theatres.
I could be totally out to lunch on this one. I don't know.
And I think maybe I didn't like the original trilogy when I saw it because aside from the fact that I've always been skeptical of movies and television shows, I was young and the other Star Wars seemed flashier. ::)
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The Original Trilogy is composed of Episodes IV, V, and VI. They came out first, in the years I referenced before--1977-1983. The newer trilogy is composed of Episodes I, II, and III. This trilogy is flashier. George Lucas wanted better special effects for the first 3, so he saved them for later instead of making them around the time of the other 3.
So the newer ones aren't remakes, they're just a continuation of the same story (or rather, a prequel to the older story).
And I agree, the special effects of I-III are pretty sweet. But the story of IV-VI is so much better, not to mention the dialogue. You want to hear lame dialogue, go turn on Attack of the Clones and find a scene with Hayden and Natalie alone....Pathetic. Han and Leia had dialogue that was SO much better.
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Oh, I can't stand I-III. Insipid garbage.
I'm pretty sure that there was also a remake of IV, V, and VI. I also remember seeing one of those behind-the-scenes videos on the differences between the two, and the technology that was used in the remakes.
Edit: Or maybe there wasn't, I don't know. I can't seem to find anything on it. Anyway, I didn't see I or II in theatres, and I'm still not sure why I went to see III...
I guess I saw the trilogy when it re-aired, then.
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Oh, I know what you're talking about now. No, it wasn't remakes of them, but there are special edition ones for them. I can't remember everything that they fixed between the older and the special editions.
I actually really liked III. Not as much as the Originals, but it's probably my favorite out of the first ones. Of course, I don't think I've seen it since I watched it in theatres, and I watched it at the midnight showing, so maybe I liked it so much because I was so tired....Or maybe it was the people I was watching it with...I don't know.
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*ahem* Okay, children, allow me to clarify...
I saw Star Wars in its original Han-Shot-First theatrical release in 1977. Same with Empire in 1980 abd Jedi in 1983.
Push comes to shove, I say Bedknobs and Broomsticks in its orignal theatrical relase. So ponder that!
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Oh, I knew what you meant when I said that...I was just being a brat. :P Bratiness aside, though. Wow. I kind of wish I'd been able to see all three of those in the original release...if only there was a time machine (although I don't think I would use it to go back and watch those movies if there were. I would hope I'd find something better to use it for...).
And Bedknobs and Broomsticks? Really? Interesting. I had to go check on imdb to see when that released. 1971....It's been so long since I've seen that movie. I think I'm gonna go search through all our VHS's sometime this week and find it. It could be a long search... ::)
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Okay, I get it. I must have seen the special edition somewhere, or something, and then seen Star Wars when it re-aired in theatres before the prequels came out... Or something?
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They also remasterred the original trilogy, you might have seen that.
So then the real question is; did Han Solo shoot first?
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That's it! That's what I saw! Mystery solved!
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Now I want to go watch Star Wars again...
Haha. Well, I've obviously proved that I know pretty much nothing about Star Wars. So, I dunno: did Han Solo shoot first?
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In the original he did shoot first, in the remasterred edition they had the other guy (can't remember his name right now) shoot aswell.
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Han shot first, end of discussion. Claiming that Greedo so much as had a twitch in his trigger finger is heresy. Heresy, I say! >:(
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Yes, Han shot first.
And strange as it sounds, I miss the original Deathstar explosion. The donut they changed it to in the remaster is actually less believable than the original. At least to me. Anf for nearly 20 years that was the way the explosion looked. Then some guy with pretensions of greatness thought he could do better than his younger self...
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Wow. Apparently I haven't watched the remastered ones very often. I don't think we have a copy of those in my house, because I didn't know there even was an argument about whether Han shot first. In the version I always see, Greedo didn't stand a chance....
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In the remastered ones they shoot simultaneously, with Greedo's shot straying so far from its target that he probably wouldn't even have managed to graduate from stormtrooper academy. They also added that horrible scene with Han and Jabba in front of the Falcon, and did various silly things like change the colour of Luke's lightsabre.
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Heh. I remember that stupid scene with Jabba. I guess it was so bad that it kinda stuck with me, regardless of the few times I've seen the remastered ones....
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I can't say how exactly this happened, but somehow I just ended up on a site full of page-long reviews on Star Wars replicas, discussing in detail the differences between stormtrooper helmets made by various people. Problem is, now I want one of those.
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Stormtrooper helms....
I just felt my inner geek highfive himself..
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This is an inappropriate use of the this thread... <.<
Maybe start one called 'Random Discussions'?
Trust me, I'm all one for thread-jacking at a moments notice, but some un-godly number of posts ago, I believe this was a discussion on Emails for, and dates of, submissions - both of which remain relevant as long as we're getting new people.
I officially thread-jack your jacked thread. ^ ^
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Eh, I don't really see it as an issue. Someone new comes along, they'll post their email here (as Frog did) and BOOM! Back on topic.
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Isn't this pretty much the same thing we did with the Your Background thread? Only with that one it was discussion on The Wedding? And the lead up to it? Kind of?....It's only fair that we do it with another thread. Otherwise, the one thread we did it to will feel like it's specialer than the others... ::)
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I could see background getting out of hand, though. It's more or less of our introduction thread, and in all of our crazy bat-crap looney greetings are bound to throw stuff off the tracks and into crazy-crazy-chaosland.
Seriously, not trying to be a wet blanket, but utility threads should stay utility threads, lest we soon have no utility threads to use when utility is needed. ^ ^
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hey, when's the next submission dates? January first and 15th?
Did we already discuss whether or not we could send things in early here? I have another story that would be nice to get critiqued, but it can wait.
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There was some discussion here (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=6283.0) but I don't think we ever decided concretely on what we were doing.
I was going to revive that thread in a day or two to see what people wanted to do next time, or if we were just going to stick with what we did this time. For the current round of submissions, yes, we just let everybody submit who wanted to.
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I would like to submit on Monday. I should be all ready with my re-writing and everything to submit by then.
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Me too! :D
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I am submitting on Monday :D
(Merry Christmas!)
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I'll update the original post of this thread as people "apply". If you post you're still not listed in a day or two, give me a poke via PM.
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I'd like to do a Monday submission. I'm sending out Chapter 2, did we decide what to do about synopses?
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Do something. Anything you want, but do something. It could be a sentence, or you could resend your entire first chapter. Either way.
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I'd better hop on the band wagon. Sign me up for Monday. I've got plenty o'yarn to tell.
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Oh, just as a warning, my submission will be a re-submission of the Prologue, and Chapter 1....I'm also sending Chapter 2 with it just for some more new material (or at least so it seems like I'm getting somewhere....). This may put the word count somewhat high. I apologize for this. But I don't apologize too much, because this action has been sanctioned by one of our esteemed moderators.... :)
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Wilson is extrapolating. I made a suggestion. ::)
Unles Chaos sanctioned it somewhere and I missed it...
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Yes. Chaos sanctioned it. Last night. On AIM.....But I figure if you'd been there, you would've sanctioned it as well, so really I'm in a safe position....I think.
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I probably would have. That doesn't prevent other people from throwing things at you, though.
I figure, it's a free country(ies), right?
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I did sanction it, with all of my mystical powers. :D
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Hmmm. Well, I guess if people throw things at me, I'll just duck behind one of you two then. I mean, with both of your sanctioning of it, it puts you in the line of fire as well.....I think I'll duck behind Chaos and the mystical powers. ;)
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Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
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Karl, were you trying to sound like Han Solo there, or was that accidental?
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I'm sure that was entirely accidental and not at all a direct quote. ;)
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The fact that it might not be a quote doesn't exclude it being deliberate.
(Or vice versa, come to think of it...)
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Now that I read it over again, I think it is a direct quote. I just don't know where it is in the movies. But it sounds way too much like Han for it to be coincidental....
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It's in StarWars: A New Hope; when Han is watching Luke practice his lightsaber and the flying ball zaps him. >:(
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OH! That's right. I remember now.....
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Sweet :D
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I am flattered that you think I sound like Han Solo. Especially when I'm delivering his lines!
Your lack of [geek reference knowledge] is disturbing...
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If its not too late I would also like to submit on Monday.
Edit: Sorry, I just read that I have until Sat. Oh well, put me down anyway. ;)
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If its not too late I would also like to submit on Monday.
same.
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Okay, let's see if I'm doing this right here...
I would like to submit on Monday, assuming it's still possible o_O.
Also, I'm a long time friend of Chaos's (Chaos2651), so I'm not just gonna up and poof here =P. He's gone through a bunch of the details over AIM with me already, which means I'm pretty sure I think I know what I'm doing.
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Write. Submit. Endure critiques. Repeat as needed.
That pretty much sums it up.
Welcome, Yusuke! Any friend of Chaos should be watched closely is a friend of ours!
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Your lack of [geek reference knowledge] is disturbing...
So close to a perfect xkcd reference. Alas...
Okay, let's see if I'm doing this right here...
I would like to submit on Monday, assuming it's still possible o_O.
Also, I'm a long time friend of Chaos's (Chaos2651), so I'm not just gonna up and poof here =P. He's gone through a bunch of the details over AIM with me already, which means I'm pretty sure I think I know what I'm doing.
I'm... the only Chaos here... lol.
Yes. You do know what you are doing. Just keep listening to the quiet, moderately Satanic whispers in the back of your brain, saying things like "Come to Reading Excuses... now go fetch me a Dr. Pepper!" It certainly won't bring you to insanity.
...I've said too much.
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*Grins* I'd say Karl got it about right.
Welcome Yusuke. I'll add you to the email list and to the submission dates for this Monday. I believe I've got everybody else, too.
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Raethe... you know that Monday is December 29th, not the 28th, right? Because I think you got the thing on the front page wrong ;)
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I actually did know that, 'cause it's my friend's birthday that day. Not quite sure how I managed to get that wrong.
Ah well. ::)
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I actually did know that, 'cause it's my friend's birthday that day. Not quite sure how I managed to get that wrong.
Ah well. ::)
It was Shiro.
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Darn cats.
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I don't think Karl should've crossed out the other thing he said....I mean. Chaos is the Lord Ruler, is he not? Who knows what he's done to his friends.....:P
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Shh. We can't let Chaos know we're onto him!
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Oops. My bad....*uses Jedi mind powers to make Chaos forget he ever read anything to support an opposing faction that may or may not be named 'The Woodland Coalition'*
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*watches the conspirators from the shadows;* *jumps off a building to report to the Lord Ruler*
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Hmm. Obviously my Jedi powers don't work on the Lord Ruler's flunkies. Well. That's okay. My grasp on all things Force shall be tested when said flunkie reports to TLR. Hopefully, the Lord Ruler will forget he heard anything as well as read anything.....
Or maybe the flunkie's iron, steel, and pewter will disappear and he'll plummet to the ground before reaching TLR..... :D
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Who Watches the Watchers?
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Big Brother?
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ahhhhhhhhhhh *wham!* ouch...
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And with the death of so loyal a flunkie, the Lord Ruler remains blissfully ignorant of the conspiracy against him.....Or at least, it's blissful for the conspirators. ;)
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You forget the Lord Ruler's flawless copperminds and the days when the rebellion first began... Oh yes, he remembers those days...
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*shrugs* If Vin could take care of those copperminds, I'm sure our Famous Squad Leader can....Not to volunteer him for anything without his permission, but I'm sure he wouldn't be opposed to this....I mean, now that he's higher than you and all ;D
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I'm no Vin but that's not to say that I wouldn't be willing to give it a shot. I mean Chaos can challenge me if he dares but I don't think it wise seeing how "I am a higher level". . . sound familiar?? Any way I do believe that I attempted to introduce our friend Chaos to dueling but failed in getting him involved. I would love nothing more than to meet him in the ring. We would probably have to meet in the Red Ring though for what I plan on doing.
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Haha. That's a duel I would pay to see...
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sorry to interrupt, but what did we decide for the submission things? twice a month or on a saturday you sign up for?
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Sign-ups for Monday submissions....At least, I think we're sticking with Monday submissions.
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That's what we've decided for now. We might stick with it, or we might not. We're still experimenting.
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so what do we do to sign up and when do we need to sign up by? (I'm guessing thursday)
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Sign up by Saturday of a week for submission on Monday.
That's assuming, of course, that everyone wants to stick with this system for at least another week to see how it goes?
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I like it. The days I originally threw out were just kind of the first thing that popped in my head to get the point across.
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so what do we do to sign up and when do we need to sign up by? (I'm guessing thursday)
And to sign up, you just post in this topic saying, "Hey, I want to submit this week".
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And here I thought submission required goat leggings, some chicken gizzards and some Zamphir pan flute music?!?
Or was that latex pants and a riding crop?! I always get them comfused!
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Oh! Right. I forgot that whole "blood sacrifice" thing you needed.
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Then I wanna submit this week then, and all I got are some mutilated stick figures. Is that okay?
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As long as they bleed stick blood, you'll be fine.
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Oh, blood. Blood is fun. Blood reminds me of dueling. Speaking of which:
I do believe that I attempted to introduce our friend Chaos to dueling but failed in getting him involved. I would love nothing more than to meet him in the ring. We would probably have to meet in the Red Ring though for what I plan on doing.
Monsta, this may be possible now. I introduced him to dueling. It was fun. You can thank me later, if you so choose.
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I'm just barely getting back from the Holiday break and still haven't read any submissions (BUT I WILL!!).
Nevertheless, please sign me up for the next submission date. ;D
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Normally Raethe, this would be where I would take initiative and edit the first post to put these two people down, but then I realized I don't have that mod power ;)
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Hmm. Well, editing forum posts is exactly the sort of thing I do when I should be doing other stuff (you know, like actually writing) so I guess we're in luck.
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Whoever said procrastination didn't have use obviously didn't know what they were talking about. :D
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The twin virtues of procrastination and delegation are the signs of a good leader Chaos.
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That's why I'm the Lord Ruler.
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That is also why you are the bain of my existence! >:(
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You mean "bane", right? Not "bain".
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Damn you Chaos and your corrections. Yes I mean bane, and you have only displayed it more with that statement.
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Lord Ruler = Grammar Nazi
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I guess we should try this method of submitting a few more times, but I am not sure it's actually working all that well. This round of submissions, seven people submitted. The number of critiques on each manuscript ranged from 2-5, and total posts from 4-7. That is a significant drop from the round before, when it looks like around 10 people submitted and the number of total replies ranged from 14-20.
This week, so far only 2 people have said they plan to submit. It doesn't take rocket science to guess that they won't get a whole lot of critiques...
Also, its impossible to tell whether some of those not critiquing are not reading, as well. When they do try to critique later on, their ability to make informed observations is limited, because they won't know what is going on in the story.
Basically my point is, we need a way to up the number of critiques. Whether we do that by finding a way to up the number of submissions, or by simply getting more people to write down their thoughts even when it isn't their turn to critique, I don't know. I'm not offering a plan right now, just pointing out we might need one.
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I for one spent the first two rounds more or less deciding which of the stories appealed to me, which of them I'd probably pick up in a bookstore from the general impression, and those I intend to at the very least always read, and preferably always critique as well. I suppose I'm not the only one doing this, so I expect that the number of critiques will stabilise at this level.
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*sigh* maybe its just me and my conscientious urge to comment on everything. I don't know, I could be overreacting here. Thoughts?
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If we don't get enough people willing to submit in any given week, we can always push that submission back to the following week. I'm not all that concerned about how many people submit per cycle, but am also worried about people getting a good number of crits each time.
Reaves, I think your concerns are going to come up with this system or the "anyone who wants to can submit on date X" system - either way, it's just a lot of material to deal with. I think our first system with the two monthly submission dates would be the most reasonable in terms of people being able to get a good range of feedback and not being overwhelmed with reading material, but as we've also pointed out, it will also take a good long time for anyone to get their novel critiqued that way.
We're just going to have to experiment until we find a happy medium, I think - whatever is the best compromise.
Perhaps we could also consider our split submission dates (like the first submission) and up our word count guidelines. That way people would have a couple of weeks to deal with the material, and they could push more material through at once. Of course, then we'd still be reading more, so it might be six of one, half a dozen of another...
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To give others the benefit of the doubt, it could just be the Holiday's. At least I hope so.
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Christmas/New Years pretty much killed my past three weeks, which is why I haven't gotten much out in the way of critiques. Honestly, I don't remember being conscious for saying I was going to submit, but thankfully I was a few chapters ahead from my plane ride...
I'm sure the crit count will up soon, just breathe ^ ^.
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I wouldn't count on the passing of the holidays fixing everything. Some of us will have more time after they're gone; some of us will have decidedly less.
I still say we give it some time before we go getting too worried about it, though. We're also bound to have highs and lows in terms of who submits and critiques each time - this could just be one of those. Let's not get too concerned until we've figured out if it's going to be a consistent problem or a one-time thing.
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Ideally, Yusuke should be able to submit on Monday, but I haven't spoken to him since he submitted. So I'm pretty sure that's up to three :P
I, as always, side on the side of caution. We will just see how this goes. Wait and see, wait and see.
Besides, there is no explicit critique deadline. There's no reason to believe that these works won't get more critiques later.
So let's just wait and see. I know once my holiday break is over on the 13th, I will probably have less time, but I will strive to plan my next semester to include RE. And my own writing ;)
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Well, I thought about giving you guys a break, but since it’s Saturday and very few people have signed up, I might as well keep going. I have tons of stuff that is in desperate need of whatever help people are willing to offer, after all.
Sign me up please!
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My apologies for not getting to the critiquing earlier in the week >.<;. I just got done with my critique of Crashers, and Chaos said I really didn't need to do anymore. However, I imagine I'll read CrystalHeart, since it's really sounding interesting to me so far. Although, I've only read a little of it, so its critique will have to wait a little bit if that's alright.
Well, I guess I'm supposed to sign up to submit this week? Guess I'll try Episode Five of Ascension, now that people should know it's not a book and will be an anime/manga lol. It's really nice to get opinions like this, so I hope this "Reading Submission" thingy isn't closed down x_x;. I find it to be exceptionally useful...
Chaos- Oh come on, you totally know I always come through in the end =D! lol
Anyways, sign me up to submit, assuming it's not too late?
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You're good, I'll sign you up. (Still Saturday by my clock. ;) Not that I can see us being too stringent about that as long as we don't have everybody in the group clamouring for a spot.) And don't worry if you're a bit behind on the critiques - heck, I haven't even opened any of the emails yet. (But I will. Promise.)
I don't imagine we have to worry about us shutting down either. Everyone seems to be finding it worthwhile so far - I know I'm certainly enjoying myself - we're just going through some growing pains, is all. :D
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Apologies, too, on the non-critting front these last two! Holidays = madness and far too much travelling around the country. Plus I've not had my laptop this last week. Planning catch up this week admist essay writing though!
If possible (I'm fully aware it's Sunday...) can I submit tomorrow please?
If not, just let me know, and will put it back til next week.
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It's not exactly like we have a full lineup, so sure, you're in.
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Ostensibly, you could probably get away with submitting without even signing up :P
Not that I'm giving you any ideas.
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And get on her wrong side for not being on 'the list'?
Hmmm.....
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I'll join.
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I've been swamped by the holidays as well (Happy newyears everyone).
I can't promise to pick up at the same level as I started though. Doing a full critique takes me around three hours (reading, figuring out why I don't like things, phrasing them constructively) With 7 submissions a week coming in I don't have the time available to actually do that.
Whether that means I'll stick to short comments like today or pick one or two at random each week I don't know yet. Either way the current pace of submitting is too fast for me to keep up with.
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We have so many people in the group now, that I really don’t see it as a problem if every person can’t critique every week or you miss some submissions. I mean, I’m thrilled whenever someone takes the time to critique my stuff, but I have so much to get through that I see even getting 3 or 4 critiques as something well worth the effort and far better than my usual system (I read it, stress over every sentence w/o changing much, and then do it again, and again). I’ve been able to keep up with submissions so far, but even if that changes with holidays at a close, I plan to at least critique those that critiqued mine in the past, selfishly hoping they will continue to return the favor. ;)
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I agree with Frog. I think if we at least give 3 or 4 critiques a week, that is more than enough. We shouldn't be expected to critique all of them. There isn't enough time. We would end up reading more than writing. My goal isn't to stick with one story, but to find the submissions that don't have a lot of critiques and start there.
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I agree with Frog. I think if we at least give 3 or 4 critiques a week, that is more than enough. We shouldnt be expected to critique all of them. There isn't enough time. We would end up reading more than writing. My goal isn't to stick with one story, but to find the submissions that don't have a lot of critiques and start there.
Is that what you meant? :P
I fully agree with you, we can't require people to critique every submission. If you do, great! Hopefully they'll return the favor! But don't let it impede your writing. Nobody here wants that.
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I fully agree with you, we can't require people to critique every submission. If you do, great! Hopefully they'll return the favor! But don't let it impede your writing. Nobody here wants that.
Of course not. Your own writing should always be the most important thing (I know mine is!). I just see the critiques a bit like currency and that you should put in what you hope to receive. I hope to get 3 or 4 critiques when I submit, so I strive to do at least that many myself.
But like I said, there are lots of people here, and lots of room for different interpretations.
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We never intended for a system where everyone critiques everyone else, that's inefficient and doesn't scale. In the opening bits of this thread (eons ago, in RE time) all that us original conspirators asked was that you critique one or two AT LEAST, and if you had the time to go be a good neighbor, or follow up on a story you were liking especially, then go do those too.
With the current group at ~30 people, we should be fine as long as people take note of the stories being neglected and give them a little abuse (^ ^ ), as well as return to the ones that they find fascinating and give them the benefit of your scholarly knowledge. If our moderators see skewing in where critiques are being distributed (a story getting 1 review, while another has 15), then they should take action.
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Can I submit Monday oh great and noble masters? I'm finally over the nightmare time-drain known as the holidays
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I'd also like to submit on Monday.
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I'd also like to submit on Monday.
I would like to as well.
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Kay.
Is it too early to ask how well people are keeping up with submissions?
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Do you mean, how are we doing at critiquing them or how are we at being ready to submit?
I personally can submit every week, but don't need to in order to give someone who doesn't submit often a chance.
As far as critiquing goes? I would hope everyone can at least critique 2 to 4 submissions a week.
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Do you mean, how are we doing at critiquing them or how are we at being ready to submit?
I personally can submit every week, but don't need to in order to give someone who doesn't submit often a chance.
As far as critiquing goes? I would hope everyone can at least critique 2 to 4 submissions a week.
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Wow M. That's exactly what I was thinking. Like everything. It's almost scary.... Well, anyway it goes double with me. :)
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At the moment I can say with certainty that I can critique one submission per week, two tops. Any more and it would begin to feel like a chore. I think the bi-monthly system worked a bit better.
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Well, since you're on the reading list, and haven't been submitting I would say that the fact that your even willing to do one a week is just awesome. And I don't think either of us were trying to imply that you should feel like you always have to do 2-4 week, but the fact that we have been able to do at least that many so far made us believe that we were keeping up, to answer Silk's question. And I have personally found that as I've done more of these critiques, I can do them faster and they are less intimidating. My advice is still far from perfect, but that's what you get for asking someone that is just learning herself. :)
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I want to agree with Flo...however...
If we all agree to at least critique 1 submission a week, with over 26 member of RE, then that should guarantee several critiques for all submissions. We can ask everyone to try for more, but I really don't think that will be necessary. The key will be to look for those submissions that have not been critiqued and start there. I agree with Flo that 3 or 4 a week is kinda a pain.
Maybe you might think that will lead to less critiques, but I only got 3 critiques for my last submission. But the 3 that I got was more beneficial than I could have imagined. I appreciate that. Anything else probably would be repetitive.
I say stick with the weekly submissions. My two cents. ;D
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I meant how well people were able to keep up with critiques, yes.
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Hello! First post here, but I would like to join the email list as well:
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Hello Pipe! Look forward to seeing you around!
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It's probably too early for this, so forgive me if it is. I would like to submit next Monday the 19th. Thanks!
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lol if it was my decision you could submit today...We've got THREE. Only two have actually submitted so far...
...well thank god its not my decision.
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Oh I don't think it would be so bad. ;D
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Well, everyone can feel free to laugh at me or whatever because I can't submit this week :'( I was about 2/3 done with a chapter when I asked to submit then all hell broke loose. My dorm was burglarized, the UGA network went down, and I found out my little sister is getting married on Valentine's day all one right after the other over from Thursday through Monday. Now not only is my chapter STILL only 2/3 done with the first draft, but my precious TV is gone along with one of my laptops. Someone must die.
So there it is, start laughing at me if you want, I'm going to go wollow is self-pity and plot the death of the infidel who stole my stuff.
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Hahahahahah- sorry. ;)
You didn't lose any important data with that laptop, I hope.
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I'm a member of the ELC, and if they start laughing, I refuse to join them.....I think your reasons for missing are sound. I forgive you (since I'm an Absolver, I can do this), and because I forgive you, no one can mess with you.....:P
And yeah, I also hope you didn't lose any important data. Cuz that would just suck (more than it already does anyway...)
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Welcome, Pipe.
M: It's not too early.
We'll let you off the hook without laughing this time, wcarter. I'll join the others in expressing sympathy/hope that you didn't lose anything valuable.
Back to work for me.
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incluing my tv and laptop, $1400 worth of stuff was stolen out of my room, my suitemate's audiomixer was stolen out of his. >:( >:( >:(
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wow, that really sucks.
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wow, that really sucks.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Ouch! :o
Do you have renters ins.?
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I do have insurance and more importantly, I have the serial number off the box the TV came with that the burglar(s) was too stupid to steal. I was able to give it to the police so now if it shows up in a pawn shop I'll get it back.
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Stupid infidels are a gift.
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That's really sad. I don't see why anyone would laugh at you missing your submit on that one... If you need any help plotting death, doom and destruction on a certain individual, just let me know. >:(
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Frog is so encouraging, isn't she? ::)
Reaves - got you. Jason, you're welcome to submit this Monday if you want.
Though I'mma nudge any further discussion over to the Email Lists thread, just so we have it all in one place.
Sorry, I just got done critiquing for Ben when I wrote that and was feeling particularly vicious for whatever reason.... Well, anyway, you all can give it back to me later because I have something to submit on Monday too. Put me on the list please. :)
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I would like to ask to be put on the email list (with the caveats, as explained in my introduction post, that although I can read English, the material I am writing is -so far- in Spanish and I would have to translate it first if it has to go to someone who doesn't speak Spanish) :)
My email:
All the best!
JoseB
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Just wanted to let everyone know why I didn't submit this week. My wife developed a serious case of pneumonia and due to her weakend immune system from the chemotherapy, she was admitted into the hospital. I have been by her side since Friday and up until now have not been near a computer. I apologize for missing my submission date, but I know you all are very understanding.
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Well, your excuse is AT LEAST as good as mine was a couple weeks back. I have a writing group at UGA now that is looking at some of my work so I will probably only be once every two weeks or so myself. I hope she feels better soon and be sure that you get some rest too. You won't do her any good by becoming ill yourself
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Alright. I have done some serious work on chapter six and have a good feeling about it. I think I'll be ready to submit come monday.
Also, just wanted to let everyone know that I really want to continue reading their stories. Raethe's Passage to Zero...Spejoku's Nightlife...Wcarter's Granite Sunrise...actually, pretty much all of them. I'd love to see them again!!
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If it's ok I'd like to submit Monday as well. :D
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chapter one of granite sunrise is getting critiqued by my English 3800 class, but I guess I can send a copy to everyone here monday if that's alright. This time I know I'll be able to since it's already done and the odds of my room getting burglarized again are...well hopefully quite small.
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Reaves, wcarter, and Ben for Monday. Is that right?
(Well, Passage To Zero was intended as a complete story. Obviously I haven't accomplished that yet but it's not that there's any "more" of it per se. I may well throw some revisions at you guys somewhere down the line, but it'll be a while before I get to it... I am, however, writing this book. In fact, I'm writing two!)
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Um...okay...there's a lot of information in Reading Excuses...so, I've temporarily suspended my attempt to "catch up" in order to sign up instead.
I'm new here...Reaves generously told me about the group...and I've read the submission guidlines and as many rules as I can find...and it seems I simply need to submit an email address and a request to be added...?
So...here you go...
If possible, I would like to sign up to both read/review and submit.
Thanks!
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Yes. And you're welcome to submit this Monday, if you like.
If you'd rather wait until next week (or whenever) that's fine as well.
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Welcome to the mad-house darkcards. For the nominal fee of your eternal soul we can have one of our lovely mods sign you up for the full package. Now, normally we require a blood sacrifice as tribute to The Lord Ruler, but since you already know members we can skip to straight to the Test of a Thousand Pains ;)
Oh and remember there is no way out...
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nice!
But...I thought I joined a writing group...not a fraternity...???
It's all good though...towel snappers, however, will be subject to swift retribution (this typically takes the form of eternal obscurity in purgatory...otherwise known as "a typical writing gig on my blog").
Oh...and the name is "deckacards"...as in "the only lame St. Louis Cardinals related username left on Wordpress when I started my first blog"...(I'm kind of a baseball nut)...but, hey...it's an identity...
I would love to submit something on Monday...do I just need to get it formatted correctly and email it out Monday morning (or Sunday night...) using the email list?
Thanks!
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Haha!
Yes, that's all you need to do.
Let the games begin!
*maniacal laughter*
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Sweet!
I'm on it...
(cue rapid and stressful typing...perhaps a bit of sweating...)
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sorry, my laptop's screen was cracked last night when someone stepped on it. My fault for having it on the floor. I can still use it somewhat, but I'm going to have to get it replaced within the next couple of weeks. It was my good laptop too (my other one was recently stolen) WHY DOES BAD STUFF KEEP HAPPENING TO ME? At least I can still post my update monday.
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Oh, man...that sucks...sorry about that...
um...you could up your insurance coverage, put it in the back seat of your car, and slam on your breaks in front of a BMW...?
Item # 213 on the "How to Get Someone Else to Pay for Your Broken Laptop" list...
just a thought...
seriously, though...good luck....
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well, my luck has been everything but good lately. At least I can still use it as it is, the other stuff that was stolen is gone and insurance will only give me about $30 dollars for the lot of it after deductions which is just not worth it.
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wow. I repeat myself: that sux.
In unrelated news:
wow I feel so horrible!! I've given such negative critiques so far...please guys, I beg you don't take anything I've said personally. I love your stories and absolutely intend to follow them.
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wow I feel so horrible!! I've given such negative critiques so far...please guys, I beg you don't take anything I've said personally. I love your stories and absolutely intend to follow them.
That's exactly how I felt after I finished critiquing yours last week. I think it is one of the hazards of being in a writers group that we can't always be nice, even to the stories we like. But we can all still be friends, right? ...right? ;)
Oh, and on another unrelated note has anyone else been having problems with RE not showing you the most current replies/threads? It has happened to me a few times now and I had do some tricky maneuvering to put up deckacard's critique. I would say it was just my computer being weird-again-but none of the other threads in TWG land seem to be giving it fits so it made me wonder....
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Wow, I thought it was just my computer having fits after I stepped on the screen. It's only happened once or twice and really only in the last two days but I have noticed that not every new post is shown on my screen.
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I've noticed that as well.
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I haven't noticed anything. Granted I haven't been keeping up with any of the crit threads lately...
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Oh, and on another unrelated note has anyone else been having problems with RE not showing you the most current replies/threads? It has happened to me a few times now and I had do some tricky maneuvering to put up deckacard's critique. I would say it was just my computer being weird-again-but none of the other threads in TWG land seem to be giving it fits so it made me wonder....
You know, it hasn't happened to me since I put this up, which is nice because it was seriously doing it every time for awhile. Just goes to show you that complaining always helps. ;)
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Exactly. Don't let anyone tell you different.
...So, if I complain about something else, will that something else automatically get fixed?
My book sucks.
*watches intently*
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Exactly. Don't let anyone tell you different.
...So, if I complain about something else, will that something else automatically get fixed?
My book sucks.
*watches intently*
I'm really interested in seeing if that works. Could save me a whole lot of time. ;)
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I haven't even begun writing yet.
*waits*
Nope, no new documents mysteriously appearing anywhere on my harddisk. :(
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I haven't posted reviews of the last ~40 submissions...
And this is my firs post since early December.
Oh Leader Kibo, make our interwebs fixed, our stories beautiful, and our time limitless. Amen.
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Maybe NOW we should resurrect The Wedding. I mean, now that the groom has returned and all.....Seems rather appropriate. :P
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Maybe NOW we should resurrect The Wedding. I mean, now that the groom has returned and all.....Seems rather appropriate. :P
I know! I feel super-ultra-uber bad about that! Please don't be the hating me. :(
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Welcome back, sortitus!
:P
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I know! I feel super-ultra-uber bad about that! Please don't be the hating me. :(
Psh...Hating you. Never. Although I really do think we should resurrect that thread...Or maybe even re-start it here, since Sprig wasn't too thrilled with it being there....
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Ben, Flo, it doesn't seem to be working for me either. Perhaps we have to complain some more?
It's worth a try. ;)
Welcome back, sortitus.
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It's worth a try. ;)
Is this in regards to the resurrecting The Wedding? Or to the retrying the complaints? If it works, be sure to relay that to me, because I've got PLENTY I could complain about.....
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I meant the complaints.
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Well, it's time to get in on the action! my email is
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Well, since we're all fessing up to being slackadaisical lately, I'll admit I haven't been keeping up on any of the reading either. I've been saving all the submissions, so perhaps one day when I have oodles of time I can get caught up.
I feel like a bad friend.
My only excuses (yes, there are several) are as follows:
1) I've been working a lot of overtime in the hope of having enough of a downpayment for a mortgage. I would like to move no later than the end of April.
2) I'm working on a very large mural for a local museum celebrating Lincoln's 200th B-Day.
3) I've been working on the website for the local SCA group's event. I'll post the link once it is viewable.
4) I am preparing for Train-A-Palooza III , in which I have a sleepover weekend with my eldest two nephews and set up my old (extensive) train set.
5) I may have acquired a girlfriend. The note of uncertainty is only because of a 4000 distance and the difference of several time zones. Other than that, things are just peachy!
This also means I haven't submitted the second act of Spectre of Death. But I will hold off until I have at least some chance to read at least some of everyone elses' work.
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:o So you actually went out and got a life outside of TWG? :o I didn't think that was allowed...
I guess complaining for profit is a bit more complicated then I initially realized. Maybe we could start smaller and see if we can build up to bigger and better things like self-writing novels....
Welcome Hamster and welcome back to the rest of ya'all!
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My only excuses (yes, there are several)
Well, it's Reading Excuses. It's about time we got to the "excuses" part :P
Speaking of which, I haven't been working because these past two weeks have been the most emotionally trying in my whole life. The sad thing is that I'm not exaggerating. Though Wednesday, it appears to have subsided. So I will get back... eventually. Sorry for my flaky attendance, heheh.
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:o So you actually went out and got a life outside of TWG? :o I didn't think that was allowed...
I do have a colorful life. Perhaps too colorful sometimes. But at least the drama is good drama.
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SILK: Question...
I submitted my Prologue this week...how long before I can submit my next piece (chapter 1)? It's all ready, but i thought I read somewhere that we could submit once a month?
I certainly don't want to crowd the week and take time away from other submissions.
Thanks!
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You can submit Chapter One next week. The thing about monthly submissions is rather defunct as of late. We're on full weekly schedule now.
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Sweet! Thanks, Chaos!
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Yeah, we seem to be sticking with the weekly thing. (I swear I'll catch up... one day...)
If we had too many people wanting to submit within one week, then Chaos and I would pick the submitters based on who hadn't had a crit recently. But it hasn't been a problem yet.
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Okay...so about the whole submission thing,I have a few questions: Do you guys give us deadlines, or do we decide which weeks to submit? And is it okay if I submit this coming Monday?
Thanks!
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In order to submit, you need to make a $100 check payable to: Silk or Chaos and then ask for permission to submit. Your check will not be refunded, even if you don't get to submit. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Actually, you just do what you just did...ask if you can submit and Silk or Chaos will put you on the submission list.
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In order to submit, you need to make a $100 check payable to: Silk or Chaos and then ask for permission to submit. Your check will not be refunded, even if you don't get to submit. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quit harassing the newbies!
Hamster - for $50, I'll tell you how you can avoid mean people like M.
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Hi guys/gals,
So I've spent the last 3-4 days skimming through the threads of this forum and really think this group sounds like a ton of fun. I would love to join up and submit writing I'm doing as well as critique others (that's required I know, but it doesn't mean I can't say I would like to do it.)
Email: (guess what I do for a living.)
As for reading, I think we are asking everyone for 1 critique of others work a week correct? And more if you are able? If that is the case perhaps I could start with recent startups (so I don't have to read 5 chapters to get to the sixth chapter that has been submitted for critiquing.)
Thanks for having me,
well if you do that is.
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Welcome Revast.
What we've been doing is giving a brief synopsis in the e-mails we send out with submissions, to cover what's happened previously, for those who may have forgotten, and for those who weren't able to read it--whether they're new, or just didn't have the time. So yeah. You don't have to be limited to just the new stuff....
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Hamster - for $50, I'll tell you how you can avoid mean people like M.
Sounds like a great deal jwdenzel! Thanks for being so being so thoughtful and caring. I was just about to write that $100 cheque that M told me to, when I saw your post. Whew! That was a close one!
Now, do you want that $50 in cash or cheque? ;)
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(guess what I do for a living.)
You're an accountant?
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Hamster, for $75 dollars, I can teach you how to understand when people are scamming you....like jwdenzel is. ;D
And I'll take that in cash form. I work only with bills. ;)
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Will Rogers said the easiest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket.
I only give free advice (or at least in the public domain).
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Will Rogers said the easiest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket.
Hey, that's what I do!...except that I fold it about 3 times.....I think. So I've tripled my money! Sweet!
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uh...sign me up for this Monday.
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you and me Reaves!
Chapter 1 awaiteth...I think I'm gonna' go with a working title of Inheritance...
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Chapter 1 awaiteth...I think I'm gonna' go with a working title of Inheritance...
Isn't there a whole series about dragons called that?
(And don't worry deckacards... I've already been told my book title is being used to. Maybe we can start a "I need a title" club)
J
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Hehe...the "My Titles Suck" club...or the MyTitS Club ;D
(I couldn't help it...I'm a horrible, horrible man...)
Anywho...yeah, it really is a working title...have no intention of naming it that, but it'll work for now...
Thanks for the heads up!
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Granite Sunrise isn't exactly what I would have named my current project. It would be called something far closer to its nature of dealing with assassins if not for a certain vampire romance novel.
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Did you want it named specifically 'Twilight'? Or a title of another book in the series? Or a title with the word twilight in it?....And I can totally see why you wouldn't want your book to be associated with that flaming pile of garbage.
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And I can totally see why you wouldn't want your book to be associated with that flaming pile of garbage...
...that makes obscene amounts of money. Yeah, I wouldn't want my name on those paychecks either...
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Yes, they do make a lot of money, and I would love to make that much money, but.....I'd rather not have my name on THOSE paychecks, because that would mean that I would be associated with that crap. Have you READ Twilight? Garbage. Shouldn't even be called literature....It's utterly terrible.
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Did you have to get Wilson on her 'I Hate Twilight' tirade again? ;)
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Hahaha. Sorry Jacque....You know that it really doesn't take a whole lot to get me ranting about Twilight, though....Do you remember that Facebook note?....If only I could link to it here....
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Frog: Wilson's not the only one. I have a friend who starts twitching and making unhappy noises if Twilight is so much alluded to in his presence.
Dunno if that makes you feel any better...
Welcome, Revast.
Reaves and Cards for Monday so far?
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Oh, she's not really complaining......At least she better not be....
And on a related sidenote, I'm on AIM right now. And I just looked over and saw the word "Eclipse"..... ::)
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Frog: Wilson's not the only one. I have a friend who starts twitching and making unhappy noises if Twilight is so much alluded to in his presence.
Funny thing is, it's women who should feel offended by it...
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Don't worry. We do. Where's Buffy when we need her? ;D
Oh, she's not really complaining......At least she better not be....
That sounds like a threat. Almost makes me want to start complaining just to see what happens. ;)
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Did you want it named specifically 'Twilight'? Or a title of another book in the series? Or a title with the word twilight in it?....And I can totally see why you wouldn't want your book to be associated with that flaming pile of garbage.
I was going to have Twilight in the title, but it would have been part of the phrase. I think that *insert worst, most offensive expletive possible here* book series serves only to prove that....I'm just going to end this right here before something bad happens.
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But....if that something is in regards to Twilight, can it really be "bad"? Because Twilight is already so bad, that I'm not sure it can really get any worse....
Jacque....just...don't do anything to our MC just to get back at me. Like. Atomic detonations, or something like that....I know it won't be permanent, but....I think it would be more than slightly out of place in our book...
Funny thing is, it's women who should feel offended by it...
And this is why I don't understand why so many females like it....Argh. Apparently they would have no problem being oppressed, so long as their oppressor is a hot-static-stalker-boy-vampire.....*shudder*
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You know that it really doesn't take a whole lot to get me ranting about Twilight, though....
I understand. I'm the same way about films by Uwe Boll or Roland Emmerich.
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Hey Silk, I'm pretty sure I asked on the last page, but could you please put me down for Monday as well?
And about Twilight, don't get me started either. My sister was obsessed for a week with those books, but wouldn't even read Mistborn when I recommended it. I mean, how can someone love those...books... and then not read something as good as Mistborn, especially since I got the rest of my family to love it?
What is this world coming to?
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Well in all fairness, I actually was a fan of them for a little bit. I read Twilight in about 15 hours--stayed up all night reading it pretty much. Meyer's writing style is addictive, and since I'm very easily entertained, I got sucked in....However, the literary value of her books is nil. And so after I got done reading, and actually thinking about what I had read....not so good. And then the hype started to kick in for the books...and I'm like "Why? There's so many other better books out there!"
And since then (over a year ago), my opinion has dropped so far that now any time I hear the mention of Twilight, I shudder....The reaction is worse for the author though. I hate that woman. More than I can possibly put words to. I utterly loathe her....
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Well in all fairness, I actually was a fan of them for a little bit. I read Twilight in about 15 hours--stayed up all night reading it pretty much. Meyer's writing style is addictive, and since I'm very easily entertained, I got sucked in....However, the literary value of her books is nil. And so after I got done reading, and actually thinking about what I had read....not so good. And then the hype started to kick in for the books...and I'm like "Why? There's so many other better books out there!"
And since then (over a year ago), my opinion has dropped so far that now any time I hear the mention of Twilight, I shudder....The reaction is worse for the author though. I hate that woman. More than I can possibly put words to. I utterly loathe her....
The first one is a fairly fun read, it's the second one that offended me to the point I couldn't make it past two thirds in because of Bella’s all the abnormal clinginess. Her reliance on men--teen boys--is too much to take, particularly when I’ve been raised by some very strong women.
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Yeah, that was the one when I really started to wonder WHY this girl wasn't admitted into a psychiatric ward. I mean if it was a character arch, I might have gotten over it, but she was whiny and clingy the whole time. Or at least, the whole time I actually read it before it went flying across the room.
Jacque....just...don't do anything to our MC just to get back at me. Like. Atomic detonations, or something like that....I know it won't be permanent, but....I think it would be more than slightly out of place in our book...
Aw, well if you didn't want atomic detonations in our book (another one in the desperately needs a name club), you really shouldn't have given me the first chapter. ;)
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Submissions list updated. If I've missed anyone else, poke me.
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Little Wilson I'm not sure whether you have read either series, but most people cant have true hatred for an author until they read the WoT series and THEN read a Terry Goodkind book. The Goodkind blatantly stole every brilliant idea the late Robert Jordan had then found a way to screw them up. Deus ex machinas, cliches, stolen...everything... there are very few WoT fans who do not want the Goodkind dead.
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Reaves and Cards for Monday so far?
Aye, aye, Cap'n...I'm in!
As for the Terry Goodkind subject...I am a WoT fan...I'm enamored with Jordan's books...but I also like Goodkind's series...having said that, how Goodkind got away with that I'll never know...the only explanation I can think of is that Jordan had such an amazing impact on the genre that his work is in the process of creating a new, modern formula for writing the fantasy epic (much like Tolkien developed tons of writers to follow...), and now we'll see many, many writers follow his example...only time will tell...but as a fan of WoT, I just can't see how someone can read that series and not sub-consciously take SOMETHING from it...of course, Goodkind took EVERYTHING from it...that's different...
Regarding Goodkind himself...the guy is a moron. I'm sorry, but he's philosophically an idiot...and his writing ability DID get better as the series went along, but go back and read Wizard's First Rule again...that was one crappy piece of literature...and Pillars of Creation...the one where Goodkind completely abandons Richard and Kahlan for some completely non-interesting characters for the entire damn book...what the hell was he thinking????? And, to cap it all off...Goodkind is arrogant and full of himself to a fault...ugh...makes me cringe to read some of his personal stuff...things like his opinion that "You are either born a writer...or you are not..." - basically, he believes you are a writer at birth, or you just aren't a writer...you can learn to write "better"...but you'll never "learn to be a writer"...
Having said ALL of that...I do love Richard and Kahlan's characters...and i enjoyed reading the series...but I'm not proud of it...
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Regarding Goodkind himself...the guy is a moron. I'm sorry, but he's philosophically an idiot...
I have to agree. I was listening to a podcast interview with him today and he went on for about fifteen minutes of uninterrupted rambling about outlining and plotting. Note: not once did he call it outline or plotting, but continued on about "having to know my characters before I write them", using a number of poorly thought out metaphors to describe it, addressed the topics as if they were undefined and abstract thoughts that he'd come up with, and talking in circles the entire time. I eventually got tired and turned it off after he'd been going on for about twenty minutes.
Waste of my time, and I had a lot of it to waste today :(
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Well, let's just forget about him for a while. He isn't here, and he isn't one of the people on the writing excuses cast so we can all just go back to pretending he doesnt exist and get back to trying to improve our own projects.
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So, my book takes place in the WoT universe literally. Hope nobody's offended. It takes place in the Second Age though, so no existing characters are used*.
I've given plotting a lot of thought. It seems to me that to have a good plot, you need to first have good locations. Locations are key because if you don't describe them well, your readers are lost no matter what's going on otherwise. I make sure to write at least 6 paragraphs of setting in any scene before any action happens so I can refer to the setting descriptions I already gave without confusing anyone. Needless to say, my locations are far superior to any other writer's locations I have seen. Some test readers go so far as to call my works "novels for architects"! I hope we have some text-based architecture fans out there. Personally, I get quite a thrill from a well-turned phrase about a beautiful column in a grassy courtyard (Thought I was going to give away my next novel's plot, did you? Well, that exact description is in the book and it's central to the plot, but that's not even the best part.). I think that you will all feel quite relieved after reading my book, the setting is THAT GOOD!
*(Except for some cameos!!1!!!!!eleven!!!)
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what you're doing Sortitus is called fanfiction and is perfectly acceptable except when authors specifically request that no one does any. What the other guy did was blatantly rip off the ideas and then try to pass them off as his own original work.
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Exactly...and i'm all for moving on...just had to weigh in on the Goodkind "issue" :)
As for your work Sortitus...I have to ask...(this is an honest question...curious as to how you've dealt with the possible gaps)...What about all of the content from the final book of the WoT series? What if the final book contains information that completely undermines a critical point in your story?
That would make me nervous...writing before Jordan's work is done...looking forward to reading your stuff...
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I would like to submit this week if possible.
Will I get a message saying I've been picked? Or should I just watch this thread?
thanks
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gimme a couple hours more before I submit. I've got some house stuff I need to do first.
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Just watch this thread. Specifically, take a look at the first post, which is where I've got the "whose submitting" thing listed.
Our submission days are usually the Monday of every week, so feel free to submit today.
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Please put me down as a submitter for next Monday.
(Crap, now I "have" to go back and revise it one more time!)
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I'd like to submit on Monday as well.
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same.
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So, we just post our email on here if we want to get stuff to critique?
Here's mine:
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Posting your email will get you on the list. If you want to submit for our next submission date (currently, every Monday) say so on this thread. Theoretically you have to tell us by the Saturday before, but we haven't been enforcing that because we haven't yet had too many people sign up per one week.
Updated the submissions list. Let me know if I've missed anyone.
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You forgot me. :'(
Please add my name and email to submission list. I posted it a few pages back, but so you don't have to look for it:
And I also will be submitting this week. I posted that a half dozen or so posts up.
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I'd like to submit again this week if possible.
Thanks
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Oh my guys. I'm sorry I have been gone and everything. Life has been CRAZY! BUT, put me back on the submission list for whenever is best for you and I will start replying and reading and comment and stuff for the next wave of emails I get. :] -I have some stuff already ready for my submissions
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I'd like to submit on Monday. :D
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For Monday: Revast, Miyabi, and Ben so far. Yes?
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Sounds good to me. :]
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I would like to submit on Monday as well please.
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I'd also like to submit on Monday.
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I'll be lying low for the next few weeks, just so you know. After that I'll probably be wanting to join the hallowed ranks of submitters, however. There, I've said it, there's no backing out now. ::)
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Right on! Bring it, Flo!
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I think I'm actually going to pass on submitting this week. Yes, you can all breathe a sigh of relief now, no crystalheart to read lol :D
And I'm going snowboarding tomorrow so I still won't be able to critique any submissions. However, I promise I will get to them all eventually!!
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I will submit again.
:D
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I think I'm actually going to pass on submitting this week. Yes, you can all breathe a sigh of relief now, no crystalheart to read lol :D
Omg. That will be so... Weird. :)
And I'm going snowboarding tomorrow so I still won't be able to critique any submissions. However, I promise I will get to them all eventually!!
Can't wait to read the resulting Aermyst snowboard fight scene. ;)
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Sign me up for monday I guess
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Can I submit again Monday as well?
-I want to have to do two chapters a week that way I stay motivated to write.
xD
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hi guys! Sorry I went scarce for a while there. Work has been crazy the pas few weeks and in my spare time I've been rushing to complete a short story for a deadline. Not sure if I can finish the first draft by Monday but place me on the list of submitters anyway please. This short story is science fiction, so it's waaaay beyond my comfort zone so I'll need all the help I can get :)
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I suppose if you're going to twist my arm, I'll submit next Monday. But know that I did this of my own free will, and not because you begged. 8)
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I'm willing to critique and I'd like advice and comments (when I finally finish something).
Not sure I understand the submission deadlines thing. I may not have anything to submit for a while. It all depends on how crazy school and work go. But when I do get something, I'd like to submit it.
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Welcome.
At the moment, submission deadlines are every Monday, though you don't have to submit every Monday to be part of the group.
Whenever you do have something to submit, let us know by posting in this thread, by the Saturday prior to the date you actually want to submit. (If you wanted to submit this upcoming Monday, you'd post here by Saturday.)
It hasn't been a problem so far, but if we start getting too many people wanting to go in a week, Chaos and I will start putting a cap on the number of people who can submit for week. Should that happen, we'll choose who gets to submit each week based on who hasn't submitted recently.
That's mostly academic at this point, though. Don't worry about it for now.
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I'd like to submit for Monday as well.
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I'll submit this monday too
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Hum...I'd like to submit on monday but I don't know if I'll be able to. Would it be alright if I say I'd tentatively like to submit but I can still back out if it simply isn't ready? I'm sorry about this :( It certainly will not be the norm.
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I don't see why not.
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Belay that. I've taken another look at it and done some work and it will be ready by Monday :D
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I would like to submit on Monday too if that's okay. (It's still Saturday over here!)
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Me as well, but you may only get one chapter this week.
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I'd be interesting in submitting on monday.
(I'm looking over and editting my chapter and I think its going to be really good!!!! plot twists, great dialogue, yaaaaay!!!! Now I'll just wait til monday for everyone to give a nice cold slap of reality.)
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I'd like to submit for the next round, please.
Thanks
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I want to submit on Monday too.
And Reaves, my personal opinion is that you shouldn't edit anything until the entire book's been critqued. Doing so can confuse the critquers.
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And Reaves, my personal opinion is that you shouldn't edit anything until the entire book's been critqued. Doing so can confuse the critquers.
No offense but, what's the point of getting critiques if you're not going to use them to fix the book as you go? I think making edits should be encouraged as long as you explain significant changes in the summaries. But that's just me.
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I think making edits should be encouraged as long as you explain significant changes in the summaries. But that's just me.
Concur.
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I'm a big believer that you finish a darft and then go on to the next, make those corrections and then move on to the next etc.
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I think making edits should be encouraged as long as you explain significant changes in the summaries. But that's just me.
Concur.
Oh, shoot. Why do you always have to- Oh. You're actually agreeing with me. Carry on then. :)
I'm a big believer that you finish a darft and then go on to the next, make those corrections and then move on to the next etc.
Aw, well we are all going to have different writing styles. Me, I'm a compulsive editor. I just can't seem to leave well enough alone. But then it's getting better, right? Or at least in theory....
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I think it does a disservice to everybody if you simply hand in your first raw draft. I mean, what do you expect to happen? There are going to be problems, there will be typos, and it will likely get shredded. But if you put your best effort forward, after fixing stuff, then the people reading it won't focus on stuff you already know about and can instead focus on the things you don't see. Which is the whole point, right?
Maybe it's just me. But in the week leading up to a submission, (like this one for me, for example) I always go back to those chapters I plan on submitting and clean things up as best I can and put as much polish as possible.
(Sorry if we're getting too off topic here)
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A lot of the stuff that I write desperately needs a good run-through. Sometimes sentence structure needs to change. Sometimes the dialogue falls flat. Sometimes a line is unnecessary and confusing and needs to be cut.
Of course there is a drawback. Often I have added something in at the last instant and then everyone latches on to that one thing that doesn't fit.
I do understand what you mean about confusing the critiquers. Just recently I made a decision to revamp entire parts of my world. It won't change anything major or important in the story itself, but readers seeing it for the first time could be a bit disoriented. Of course, I'll make a note that explains what it is, but still.
I just think that I should do everything I can to make the manuscript as good as it can be before I submit, and then use those comments to make it even better.
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As long as there aren`t alot of other people who would like to submit, I would like to do submit again this Monday, as my next chapter actually follows the same character from the previous one! :o So I`d like to submit while it`s somewhat fresh.
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I just remembered that I will be out of town this weekend through mid next week. So no submission afterall.
I'll submit the following week probably.
J
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I just remembered that I will be out of town this weekend through mid next week. So no submission afterall.
:'( Now that's just not nice. I was looking forward to ripping through your stuff again.
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I promise that this new material will be extra ripe for you to bite into. :)
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I just remembered that I will be out of town this weekend through mid next week. So no submission afterall.
:'( Now that's just not nice. I was looking forward to ripping through your stuff again.
I was looking forward to reading your stuff too :( I'll guess I'll have to wait :(
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I just remembered that I will be out of town this weekend through mid next week. So no submission afterall.
:'( Now that's just not nice. I was looking forward to ripping through your stuff again.
I was looking forward to reading your stuff too :( I'll guess I'll have to wait :(
The Pressure! *flees the country*
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If it's not too late, I'd like to submit something.
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It's not too late.
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"Its too late to apologize, to you..."
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Well yes, but it was always too late for that.
>>;
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So, can I get in on this? I'm working on something and should have enough for a submission soon. My email (well, one of the ones that I post in public places - you know, gotta keep ahead of the spambots) is nospamplease +at+ ryanballantyne dot name. (One of the nice things about having your own domain and web host is you get to make as many email addresses as you like.)
I'll be happy to read and crit anyone's stuff - time allowing, of course. In fact, I think I'll be more active as a reader than a writer, but I *am* joining because I want to submit something.
Is JoseB still around? I saw he was looking for Spanish-language readers. I speak Spanish pretty well (served an LDS mission to Nicaragua), and would love to read his stuff. I may not be the best at critiquing mechanics, but those are (so I'm told) the easiest parts of writing to fix.
Edit: Actually, I've got around 1700 words I could submit. That seems like a good size. Is there room for me to submit on Monday?
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You're the first one to sign up for Monday, so go for it.
Oh, and welcome to the group.
I think Jose's been on a bit of a hiatus, but as far as I recall he plans on coming back. Also, I envy you your domain and webhost. Free servers tend to give you exactly what you pay for.
(This forum can actually only be viewed by members, so you don't need to worry too much about posting your email address as is. Though, I might just scramble that list on the first post anyway.)
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Also, I envy you your domain and webhost. Free servers tend to give you exactly what you pay for.
I use nearlyfreespeech.net. They charge only for what you use, so if you don't use any resources, you don't get charged. Domain registration with privacy costs about $12 a year if you go through them, and email forwarding (you need an actual inbox to forward to, but you get as many aliases as you want) is a penny per day. Even a poor college student like me can afford that. ;)
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Oh, that's awesome. Thanks - I'll totally be checking them out.
Edit: Have you been using them long? How are they for reliability?
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I'll have been with them for a year next month. As for reliability, their database servers went down for about an hour once in September. That's the only downtime I've noticed. They seem to take reliability and performance pretty seriously. Their servers aren't the fastest I've used, but they're not what I'd call slow. I've got an installation of MediaWiki (http://aquariawiki.ryanballantyne.name/wiki/index.php/Main_Page) set up for the Aquaria modding community; you can load that up to get a feel for how things perform on a PHP/DB-heavy site.
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Hum...I guess i could submit monday but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that until I've caught up with a few more critiques of other submissions. We'll see how it goes but I might have to pass.
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Hum...I guess i could submit monday but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that until I've caught up with a few more critiques of other submissions. We'll see how it goes but I might have to pass.
Good, cause I need time to catch up on YOUR work. :)
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I think we all fell a little behind this week... :(
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Thanks Ryos.
Don't feel you have to submit just because we don't have that many people signed up. If we're all behind anyway we might as well take a bit of a break.
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Hey, I'm new here! My email is . Please add it to the list? And... it looks like you're taking a break? But maybe I could submit the next time around...
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I'd like to submit on Monday please. (Assuming I'm not out of town again, which may be possible) So we'll see.
(And I also intend to read a bunch of entries and get caught up on the on-going novels floatsing around out there.)
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I only meant "break" in that we had rather fewer submissions yesterday than usual (only one) and that nobody should feel compelled to submit just to fill holes if they didn't want to.
You're welcome to submit this upcoming Monday if you like, Ravenstar. Only you, though; Jason's not allowed.
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I'm kidding, of course. I'll put you both down. :P
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Hey jwdenzel - when you submit (or whenever, actually; I don't mind) could you please send me whatever you've submitted in the past so I'm not totally lost? If not, I don't know how much help I could be.
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I'd like to submit on Monday please.
Same.
And Ryos, we've decided to each put a few lines of summary for each previously submitted chapter just to give new critiquers an idea of what is going on, but often people do ask for previous submissions. I'm sure anyone here would be happy to send out their stuff a second time ;)
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Lol! Alrighty then!
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You're welcome to submit this upcoming Monday if you like, Ravenstar. Only you, though; Jason's not allowed.
*Inserts a character named Silk into the next chapter that meets a horrible fate.*
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Haha. Dang, these writer folks are dangerous.
Two can play at that game, Jason. Just you wait and see... Just you wait.
;)
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It's an honor to be killed in people's novels. I already have a death scene in Dan Well's 3rd book, and Brandon is scheming a way for me to die in his next one.
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Haha, awesome.
Remind me to ask you what your death scene is once I finally get around to reading Dan's book.
Hey, apparently I'm gonna be in someone else's book, too. (Albeit as a guy.) I wonder if I'm dying in that one...?
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I have a little bit that I would like to submit as well. ;)
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So...I see four critique threads, but only one email in my inbox. I feel so unwanted. :'(
Heh, not really. I just thought I'd point that out so people don't think I'm freeloading when I don't offer critiques. ;D
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So...I see four critique threads, but only one email in my inbox. I feel so unwanted. :'(
Heh, not really. I just thought I'd point that out so people don't think I'm freeloading when I don't offer critiques. ;D
I'm just gonna say it, I was confused by the whole dot name thing :( I think I just threw a .com down there like a silly boy :P Anyway, I just tried sending it again. Let me know if you got it this time.
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Nope, still don't have it.
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Normally I only like to submit once a month. However, I have a great opportunity coming up to share part of this novel with some people I really respect, so I'd like to get more feedback before I share.
So please put me down for another Monday submission.
:)
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I would like to submit again this coming week. I'll do my best to critique ya'll before then!!
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I'd like to submit on Monday.
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I'd say "me, too," but honestly I'm just going to be too busy this weekend to finish chapter 2. So I'm gonna wait another week if that's ok. :)
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That's fine.
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I think I figured out why nobody's submissions are reaching me (certain domain confusions aside, of course). Silk put a space between the "ryanballantyne" and the ".name" in my email list entry, so everyone who copied and pasted that would find that their emails wouldn't reach me.
Reaves, your submission came through, but jwdenzel's and maxonenis' didn't. So, if you were wondering why your emails bounced, that's probably why. :)
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ahhhhhh...and that would be why I assumed it wasn't a proper domain. It didn't have the underline.
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just so you know.
P.S. Silk I love you. Thanks for being so faithful to admin!
As an aside, do you want us to call you Raethe or Silk?
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Yeah, I didn't get maxonenis's submission either. Could just be because we're fairly new here, and he didn't add our emails to his current mailing list...
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I got mail from Reaves, maxonennis, and jwdenzel. Do I have the full set? I'm asking this because I need to waste as much time as possible this week. :P
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I think so. Check the first page of the thread if you're not sure. (I don't remember, I haven't slept in over 38 hours...)
If you run out you can always go back through older submissions. :P
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As an aside, do you want us to call you Raethe or Silk?
I say she's Silk all the way....It's perfect. She's evil like Silk...Of course, to understand that claim, you would've had to be in the Stupid Titles thread back in December, so...yeah....haha. Good times, good times.
Oh, and Silk is a character in David Eddings' The Belgariad. Which is a series. A great series. First book is Pawn of Prophecy. I highly recommend it to all who haven't yet read it...
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Sorry, Reaves, didn't see your earlier comment. (Yeah, refer to my previous comment about being, ahem, slightly underslept.)
Aww, thanks! I try. I feel kinda bad about not being able to critique in forever, but soon that shall pass, and in the meantime I figure I should at least check in and keep things going smoothly. :D
Haha, either Silk or Raethe is fine, really. Raethe has been my online handle ofr probably about twelve years and it's actually kind of weird to be referred to by other names... But I like Silk too! It's kinda grown on me, both as a handle and a character ('cuz I have now totally read the first Belgariad book).
Ryos: Sorry about that! I don't actually know how that space got in there. It's fixed now.
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Maybe I'm a bit slow but best I can tell all I need to do is add my email to this thread to be a part of the reading list. If I'm skipping a step or crashing a party please delete this entry for me, but I'd like to volunteer to be a reader.
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Hey Silk - don't worry about it. :)
So. Might I submit this coming Monday?
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Welcome Renoard! Glad to have you.
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After pulling a muscle to put this together I thought I'd share the list.
Boy a list server would make this easier...
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Welcome, Renoard. There's also a list on the first post of this thread.
Ryos, I have you down for Monday.
(I won't always reply to the thread, btw - sometimes I'll just edit the first post. Otherwise I kind of feel like I'm spamming sometimes.)
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Thanks silk. I wasn't trying to hijack the list, I just didn't realize that the one on the first post was as current as it was. By the time I did I had already posted.
I'm assuming I missed receiving the Apr. 1st distribution so the next one is on the 15th?
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No problem. :D
And the next submission date is next Monday, the 6th (I should probably update that thread, since we seem to be sticking with the weekly submissions for-sures. Feel free to pester the people who submitted last week to send out their submissions. I believe last week's submitters were Jason (jwdenzel) Maxonennis, and Reaves.
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Hey everyone,
I am currently working on my first novel. I like to think that its sort of Roger Zelazny-Amberish, It's about two kids out of high school that travel to various fantasy worlds via a magic sword.
Anyway, I love the idea of this writing group and was wondering if I could be added to the list. My email address is:
Thanks!
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Hi Erik!
Welcome to the group. Do you envision your novel as YA? It sounds like a lot of fun. Can't wait to read it.
Take care
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I think its probably YA but I don't know if there is too much violence for that or not. Its pretty light on things like sex and swearing but there is plenty of decapitations and dismemberment's. ;D
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:( I just realized I am going to be out of town for a few days and I won't be able to critique anyone over that time :( That was when I was hoping to get to ya'll...
And of course, I won't be submitting anything either :P (not that I would have anyway...) :P
So don't feel alarmed when I still haven't critiqued anyone until Wednesday.
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Jason I just tried to click and navigate to your website and my browser just couldn't handle htTtp: as a protocol. :(
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Jason I just tried to click and navigate to your website and my browser just couldn't handle htTtp: as a protocol. :(
Doh. Thanks. Fixed. But I'm sure you already figured out the link. :)
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Wait, you're that guy? :o
I suddenly feel out of my league.
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I'm alive. Really. I've been alive for a long time (you know, as opposed to leaving RE for a while, becoming a vampire or some other undead entity and then back into an unundead person. Just so there's no confusion there :P). College is crazy busy, and though I have been viewing Reading Excuses quite regularly, I simply cannot recall the last time that I've posted. Clearly, it's been much too long. I apologize sincerely.
However, despite my total failure in regular critiquing and submitting, I do have everyone's submissions organized by member. So, if anyone missed any submissions, I should have it and I would be glad to send them out. Just shoot me an email.
I will get to them, if it's the last thing I do!
No problem. :D
And the next submission date is next Monday, the 6th (I should probably update that thread, since we seem to be sticking with the weekly submissions for-sures. Feel free to pester the people who submitted last week to send out their submissions. I believe last week's submitters were Jason (jwdenzel) Maxonennis, and Reaves.
We should probably edit all of the pinned topics to say that it's a weekly thing, not a bi-monthly submission schedule anymore. That's long overdue. Perhaps I will get to that this weekend.
But! Most importantly, I would like to state that I'm submitting next Monday, the 13th. It's been forever since I've submitted, but that's no matter. This submission will be a short story. Hopefully it will be up to par.
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I look forward to reading it.
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Me too! And when my life (or rather, the lives of my close relatives) slow down a little, I will again submit, though by that time, I should just start over by submitting the revised Ch. 1... :P
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This may have been addressed but I just can't find it. Are there ever multiple authors making submissions on the same week? I'd prefer that there were, because the number of members is growing and it could get unwieldy in that case.
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This may have been addressed but I just can't find it. Are there ever multiple authors making submissions on the same week? I'd prefer that there were, because the number of members is growing and it could get unwieldy in that case.
Usually yes that is the case. I might submit this week if I can get around to some critiquing first...
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Can I get added to the list? I wouldn't mind helping to critique on Monday.
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This may have been addressed but I just can't find it. Are there ever multiple authors making submissions on the same week? I'd prefer that there were, because the number of members is growing and it could get unwieldy in that case.
It's entirely dependent on if people have things to submit. I'd imagine that right now people are quite busy, but submissions should pick up eventually.
Can I get added to the list? I wouldn't mind helping to critique on Monday.
I'll make sure Silk remembers to edit the first post in this topic and put you in there, Erik!
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I would like to submit this week. Any objections?
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The more, the merrier :D
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I would like to submit this week. Any objections?
I object!!!!!
Just kidding. Carry on.
*whistles*
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*crickets*
Well I wasn't going to do this for a while, but I did experiment with a first effort Flash Fiction do I would like to submit Monday as well. Of course I plan to read also.
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Sorry for the oversight, Erik. I'm terribly scattered right now.
If I miss things like that in the future, feel free to shoot me a PM as well.
For the upcoming Monday, I have Reaves (maybe), Chaos, Renoard, and Sortitus. Missing anyone else?
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I figured I'd go ahead and confirm myself as definitely submitting something... the new topic will appear somewhere in the next five minutes :D
However, I will not be submitting a chapter. Its going to be a little bit different...I may send out an email, but it won't have any Crystalheart attached. Just check out the post.
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Thanks for adding me to the list.
One question, how will I know when it is my turn to submit?
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Am I the only one who didn't get a submission from either Sortitus or Chaos?
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I didn't get one from those guys either....
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Um... you ARE one of those guys... ;)
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I didn't get a submission from Sortitus or Chaos either. I got one from Reaves and one from Renoard.
Erik: Submission dates are every Monday (you're by no means obligated to submit every week). When you want to submit for a given week, let me and Chaos know by posting so in this thread by the Saturday previous to when you want to submit.
We ask you to post a couple of days in advance so that we can keep tabs on how many people submit a week; we don't want to overload everybody with a dozen submissions in a week.
So far we haven't had to turn anybody down because of too many submissions in a week (if we have to start doing that, we'll be favouring those who haven't submitted in a while), but either way, after you post here saying you want to submit, Chaos and/or I will reply and let you know.
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I'm disappointed not to see a submission from Chaos or sorti...
Silk, unless you're on there with an old screen name, you aren't on the distribution list. Is that by design?
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Ah. I'm on there with the name Raethe, my original handle. I just forgot to change it, I guess.
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Erik: Submission dates are every Monday (you're by no means obligated to submit every week). When you want to submit for a given week, let me and Chaos know by posting so in this thread by the Saturday previous to when you want to submit.
We ask you to post a couple of days in advance so that we can keep tabs on how many people submit a week; we don't want to overload everybody with a dozen submissions in a week.
So far we haven't had to turn anybody down because of too many submissions in a week (if we have to start doing that, we'll be favouring those who haven't submitted in a while), but either way, after you post here saying you want to submit, Chaos and/or I will reply and let you know.
Ah, ok. Well I have a book that I have about 5 chapters written for. I would love some feedback on them whenever I can get a turn.
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Curses! I'm late!
I've spent all of the past three days working on this, and I learned how accursedly slow my writing.
I hoped to submit it before midnight, but I forgot. So, you get it about fifteen minutes (my time zone) after Monday. But! I'm of the opinion that the day should actually switch over at 3am. It would be much better for college students. So, under that logic, I'm totally on time.
My short story is on its way just as soon as I add the new Reading Excuses people to my email list. I haven't submitted in... too long...
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If it makes you feel better, it's still twenty minutes to midnight in my time zone. I concur anyway. 3am makes so much more sense.
I'm pretty slow too. (*ducks objects thrown by people who were around for this year's NaNoWriMo*) I wanted to be done both genres of my portfolio and my essay by like ... 6pm. It's quarter to midnight and I'm still working on the second portfolio genre. Fortunately it's a pretty wimpy essay. >>;
Erik: You're welcome to submit this upcoming Monday. I don't know that you'll be able to push all five chapters through at once, though, depending on how long your chapters are.
I think we ballparked a word limit of 4000ish per submission back when we first started... Of course, due to the fact that I, um, kind of, sort of, haventreadanysubmissionsforthelastfourmonths *koff* I don't know if people are sticking to that.
Hey, guys, you who've been paying attention? What's the average word length of submissions at these days?
(I'm sorry. I am a bad bad person.)
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Ok, no problem. Right now each chapter is pretty short, about 1000 words each on average, just about 6000 words for all 5 chapters.
I'm mainly concerned with the first three chapters for now though. I've been taking a class from Brandon and we're supposed to submit 3 chapters for him next week for the final.
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Ah. I don't imagine 6k words should be too much of a problem. (Says the girl who's used to seeing 50 page + submissions per person for one of her creative writing classes.) If you're just concerned about the first three chapters for the moment, that's fine too.
In fact... You're supposed to be submitting for class next week? Heck, if there's a time limit involved, go ahead and submit this week if you like. One person who was going to hasn't submitted, and even if he had we'd still be at five submitters for the week, which I think is reasonable. So yeah... We'll let you buck the trend, just this once. ;)
If it's for a final portfolio, you might want to ask people if they'll also consider nitpicky stuff like grammar and line edits as well as broader critiques, if you think you might find that useful.
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LOL, to be honest I am pretty new to writing so I find everything useful.
If its ok I'd like to send the whole thing because I think Brandon wanted 6000 words. But feel free to just read the first three if you want. Right now I am just trying to polish them before turning them in next week. The first chapter is mainly the one I want to fix, the opening paragraphs bug me a little right now.
Thanks for bending the rules for me! ;D
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No problem. I think it's pretty reasonable to consider deadlines for classes/contests/etc.
Also, it's not yet 3:00am for me, so totally still Monday. *koff*
When do you actually have to turn in it in by, Erik? I'll do my best to read it before then, though I'm afraid I can't make any guarantees. I am just a teensy bit swamped at the moment. (I kind of have to write two books. It's the lightest workload I've had all semester.)
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Not to be a spoil-sport, but I think 6,000 words is too long for this group. Most people submit between 3500 - 4000 words. On occasion, if the chapter runs a bit long, then +/- 5,000 words is okay.
But I think we agreed early on that 3500 was the target.
Thoughts?
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Well I don't have a particular problem this time. But maybe we could just read the first 3000 and then Erik could RE-submit the other 3k as a second submission for Jason. :P
Just getting up your nose a bit there. . .
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Well I don't have a particular problem this time. But maybe we could just read the first 3000 and then Erik could RE-submit the other 3k as a second submission for Jason. :P
Just getting up your nose a bit there. . .
:P
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Well, my first Reading Excuses submission was 5600 words (I'm pretty sure), so I don't have a problem with it.
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I'd like to submit on Monday if that's okay.
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I'd also like to submit on Monday. I need a deadline to motivate me to finish my story. :)
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You're both down for Monday.
Hey, maybe I'll sack up and submit Monday -
Oh wait. That's tomorrow.
Never mind.
::)
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FYI - I've been asked to read somebody's entire novel and give critical feedback. (They have a rare opportunity to get it in front of some well known editors) That will be keeping me busy for a while.
So if I'm quiet for a bit, that's why.
J
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well, it's been two forevers and a day since I submitted, but I think I will on Monday if that's alright with everyone. I'm getting close enough to the end of the semester that I have fewer assignments due every friggin' minute of every $#%#E hour of every stinkin' day.
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Sure.
I'll be finished my book by then... Guess I should put myself down as well.
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Go ahead and put me down for Monday.
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It's going to be a retread, but I'd like to submit my revisions to Fateless to Reading Excuses for Monday, since the final thing is due next Wednesday ;)
Ideally I will get started on a novel this summer, so you'll get more regular submissions from me.
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Silk, you've really written/are going to write 50K words this past week and before monday? Who do you think you are, Isaac Asimov? :o
;)
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No. I write fantasy, not sci-fi :P
Hey, if I can write 25,000 words in a day...
(My first NaNoWriMo this year was an... interesting experience. :P)
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Anyone can write 25,000 words in a day Silk. The question is can they combine those words to form a lucid, coherent story that a reader would be interested in. Otherwise one simply has to push buttons on a key board like so I I I I I I a a a a a a a a a you you you you we we we we we we we we we we we they they they they or or or and you get the idea...
that being said, if you can reach that goal. well, I tip my hat to you.
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I don't cheat. ::) Where'd be the fun in that?
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. . .ll work and no play make Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes J. . .
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XD
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
The truly astonishing thing was those 25,000 words I wrote in one day were the most fun I have ever had writing. Before or since.
Work and play = not mutually exclusive
:D
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My submission will probably be done tomorrow, unfortunately. Sorry for the delay.
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I'd like to post this Monday if I can.
Still working on my short story, but I've knocked out a few chapters for Sword of Worlds
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I would also like to submit Monday, though it may be later on in the afternoon or evening before I can get my submission sent out.
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That's not allowed, you have to submit right at Monday, 12:00am if you want to submit. ::)
...Ahem.
Got you guys down for Monday.
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*pthththtb!*
:D ;)
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XD
What's more, you have to submit by midnight on a particular time zone - but I'm not telling you which one. You have to guess. :P
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*ahem*mountain*ahem*
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After much prayer, fretting and helpful advice, I've decided to submit this week if I may. :)
This is a long submission. It's from a novel I started in 2005. Unorthodox forematter demands that I include enough of the story to put it all into perspective. If I submitted this material in 3.5K chunks it would be confusing. The length of this first chunk is just under 7.5K.
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You're on the list.
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You're on the list.
lol that sounds so creepy...
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Dun Dun DUNNNNN.
*ominous music*
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After several month's on break, I'm ready to submit again. I've got a story I've been working on, bit by bit, during the semester, but now that it's over I should be able to get a regular writing schedule going. So, uh, put me down for submitting again. . . .
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Welcome back. You're up for this Monday.
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I think I may actually be able to get a chapter done for this submission. I know I haven't been around for a while, but put me up for monday please!
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Since it's just Hamster and Dangerbutton so far, I'll go ahead with Chap. 3 It's under the limit btw. ;P
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Okay.
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what no semi threatening line involving lists? I'm disappointed!
:P
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I have to apologize that I haven't been active here lately. I've got a lot on my plate with work, side jobs, and teaching. I haven't forgotten y'all and I'm trying to get most of these stories read. I look forward to all the new stuff coming in. Sorry again.
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Don't worry about it - we've had a few people duck out of the group for a while. Get back to us when you're ready. :)
Renoard: Sorry, I guess I just don't have all that many semi-threatening remarks stored up (usually when I want to threaten someone, I just bang my boxing gloves together, but that doesn't work very well over the Internet, or when you're not wearing boxing gloves). I can just repeat the old "on the list" remark if you want. Or you could just have a nice DUN DUN DUUNNN.
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Are you saying that you aren't typing with boxing gloves on? Ridiculous!
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Yeah, I'm a revolutionary that way.
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I'll be away from RE, ideally for about two months, but I'll be back. Hopefully I'll be able to do some critiques every now and then :)
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I'd like to submit on Monday the 18th. :)
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I'd like to submit on Monday the 18th. :)
You're on the list!
Or you would be, if I had the ability to edit the list. Really, I just wanted to steal Silk's line.
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Well we've got raven and Chrisdaddy apparently. Given that's it's monday morning, it's a bit late, but can you put me on the list for part one ch4?
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Go for it.
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With so many of you busy with the party and the convention I wasn't sure about submitting this week. But monday has come and gone, so I guess I'll send out part 2 of ch. 4.
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I'd like to submit on Monday, please.
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Hello! I am an aspiring novelist who would like to be added to the e-mail list...
My e-mail address is .
Please feel free to contact me at any time.
Thanks!
~MM
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Just because I know people will be disappointed if I don't say it...
You're on the list.
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Silk Please add me. Since there are only 3 submissions so far and it's still monday here, I'll submit my next bit.
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I also am in. [email protected]
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It's been a while since I've been on the list, so I would like to submit this week too please
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PW, are you also wanting to submit Monday?
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I will want to submit eventually, but my latest piece is still a work in progress. Is this also the link to read the work of others, or was I posting in the wrong place?
And who should I speak to if I am ready to submit?
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For reading others stuff, if your email is on the list, then you should get people's submissions. If you want to submit your own stuff, then you have to post on this thread asking Silk to put you down for submitting this week. Oh, and it usually has to be before the Monday(which is the due date). I say usually because lately it's been getting a little lax and sometimes you can post the day after.
In case you haven't read it, here's a link to the basic 'How to' for submitting and such: http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=6850.0.
Welcome to Reading Excuses PW, great to have you here!
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It's been a little lax lately because we've been trending towards fewer submissions, but yes, for form's sake, before the Monday when you want to submit, post here.
Thanks Hamster :)
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Thanks for the info.
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And PW gets to be the first person to read the new and improved "Welcome to Reading Excuses" thread that I wrote! Because the last one happened to be, you know, three topics instead of one. Hopefully it's clear enough, but if it's at all confusing, let me know :D
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I just wandered in here. Am I lost?
I think this is a great idea. Can I get my name added to the list?
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You're on the list.
(What? It's a classic!)
Welcome.
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It is a classic, and welcome, Hack.
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Sorry, I've missed the joke - what is a classic?
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Silk always says "You're on the list." It's been imitated, but never duplicated!
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Ha ha. I R N00b.
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Naw, it's ok. We were all new at some point. Post up in the introductions thread here and in the main forum and you'll make friends quickly! :)
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Apparently people are disappointed when I don't make semi-threatening remarks about lists, and I'm a kind soul who hates to disappoint. ::)
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Also, these are the threads you should post in for more love, Hack:
Your Background (RE introductions thread) (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=6244.0)
Introduce yourself - right on! (forum introductions thread) (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=3.0)
This is a good post to read:
Welcome to Reading Excuses! (basically a RE FAQ) (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=6850.0)
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If it makes you feel any better, you can call me dirty names and threaten me with physical harm.
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Why would we call you names? These stupid titles (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=6638.0) do that already. :P
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So does your forum handle, for that matter. :P
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If I ever get published I might change it to NoLongerSomeHackWriter or SlightlyCompensatedHackWriter. But until then, I just like the sound of it, lol.
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You could be UsedToBeSomeHackWriter. Hahahaha!
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Haha. Nice!
We should all get Used To Be Names at some point. Our favourite former bookstore guy can start a trend.
I think I'm going to stick myself on the list for Monday. Maybe it will motivate me to actually get this whole darn story together. Even if it's crap. ::)
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Provided I can get some characterization issues sorted out by Monday, I would like to submit. :)
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I think I need to get a hotkey for this or something.
You're on the list.
Which is good, I was feeling lonely. ::)
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I think I need to get a hotkey for this or something.
You're on the list.
Which is good, I was feeling lonely. ::)
Too bad this forum isn't Invisionfree. I could create a moderation tool on there which would allow you to do that.
No fair, SomeHackWriter. I was trying to be a hack writer ;)
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Can you even be a hack writer if you're actually, you know, trying?
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*sigh* My submission will probably be late- as in, early to mid evening. (Just can't get my head wrapped around the characters...)
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It's okay. I said I would submit Monday. I must've been out of my mind.
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Please add my email to the list.
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Silk, I don't want anyone to get their hopes up, lol.
Question on etiquette: Is there a forum here for writers to direct interested parties to other sites where they have work posted? Or is that uncouth?
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Haha. Fair enough.
The "Rants and Stuff" category says you can "shamelessly plug your own website" if you so desire. Or, you could stick something like that in the Your Background post if it's writing specific, or something like that.
My submission may be late. I may not submit at all. I was kind of hoping to have a complete story by now, not a half-finished waste of space. ::)
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*laughs shamelessly at Silk*
There are still 10 minutes of Monday left hereabouts, but I just couldn't wait. ;D
Incidentally, would you be so kind as to strike my name from the list of readers? It's taken me long enough, but I've been fairly productive these last days and I'll be wanting to submit something presently, maybe even next week. Glee!
Good thing, too, because starting tomorrow I'll probably be hopelessly bogged down by uni again. Glorious excuses, what would I do without you. ;)
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There are still nine hours of Monday left where I'm from. ::)
And sure.
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You furriners with your strange clocks... :D
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Please add me to the list thanks
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I would love to be added to the reading list!
My email is:
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Silly me, nearly forgot this part: put me on the list for Monday, please!
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People are on whichever lists are appropriate. ::)
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I'm gonna hold off at least another week before submitting chapter five. Let me just say that again- I will NOT be submitting anything on Monday! So don't look for anything from me! :D
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Aw. No lizards?
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This looks great, I always wanted to be a part of something like this but since I live in a 'new' town a lot of these things really don't exist and the towns populace is mostly made up of foreigners trying to pursue their college goals. (new jersey, alot of schools)
(yes i know, weird email :P its an inside joke)
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Welcome!
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Hi there. Sorry for the delay in getting you on the list; I've been without a 'Net connection for a few days.
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Hey, Silk, can you remove M from the main email list? I sent an email about that, but I can't edit the topic directly.
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Already done.
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Thanks much. Why have you been without internet recently?
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My modem was fried. Went down midafternoon Tuesday, I didn't feel like dealing with the ISP so procrastinated calling them (it worked - my brother called instead), they told us we needed a new one but the kiosk in town was closed on Wednesday for Canada day. I then spent forty minutes on hold on Thursday so that I could have a three-minute conversation with a customer service rep, 'cuz it's not like they have it in the phone book or anything, and by the time we found the place (because instead of having its own building, it's inside some appliance store). By this point I'd made plans to meet a friend and wasn't going to spend another forty minutes on the phone waiting for them to activate the stupid modem.
My brother must have done that this morning. About time, too, because if I'd had to endure any more of his moping about how there was nothing to do without the Internet, I would have moved out. -.-
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Yay for new modems! :D Good to have you back.
... And I would like to submit again on Monday the 6th.
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Thanks! Now that I'm back, I'm leaving again.
Just so everyone knows, I'm heading out for a week tomorrow - I'll be back next Monday. (Or possibly Tuesday. I expect the first thing I will want to do when I get home is NOT turn on the computer.) So if anyone has any questions or issues, make sure you direct them to Chaos and not me.
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Ok, have fun! :D
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Chaos, who is M? I keep my own list because my email provider doesn't allow me to CC or BCC that many people.
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Chaos, who is M? I keep my own list because my email provider doesn't allow me to CC or BCC that many people.
Create a gmail, their limit is like 300+ I think.
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That's right, you're on a listserv. I remember you saying that. M's email is
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Hey guys, I have a question, If I want to submit something I just have say what week im going too right?
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Yup! Just post here a couple days before the Monday you'll submit.
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Yup! Just post here a couple days before the Monday you'll submit.
ahh ok great, I'll throw my chapter 2 down the intertubes on monday I guess. Small chapter that I was very satisfied with :)
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Yup! Just post here a couple days before the Monday you'll submit.
ahh ok great, I'll throw my chapter 2 down the intertubes on monday I guess. Small chapter that I was very satisfied with :)
No chapter one? ;)
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I think I should submit this Monday too...Just as a heads-up (I also intend on putting this is my e-mail), it's long. It's a whole short. About 9,000 words. 33 pages....And it's due in about 2 weeks (it's for a class)....I know that's a lot. And I'm sorry....Just getting 2-3 people to read it would be fine, since it IS long....
(Oh, and Eric, you know those 2 characters you said you wanted to meet? They're both in this. One is even the MC...)
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I would like to join this, I think. My E-mail is .
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I think I should submit this Monday too...Just as a heads-up (I also intend on putting this is my e-mail), it's long. It's a whole short. About 9,000 words. 33 pages....And it's due in about 2 weeks (it's for a class)....I know that's a lot. And I'm sorry....Just getting 2-3 people to read it would be fine, since it IS long....
(Oh, and Eric, you know those 2 characters you said you wanted to meet? They're both in this. One is even the MC...)
Cool. Normally I'd say split it, but if it's for a class (which seems to be the best Excuse on Reading Excuses thus far), send the whole thing. Reading Excuses is a pretty accommodating bunch.
I would like to join this, I think. My E-mail is .
As Silk would say, you're on the list. Except, even though I'm a moderator, I actually don't have the power to edit Silk's first post and actually add you to the list. She'll be back soon though. For all intents and purposes, you are a RE member (which means you can submit), so if you want to critique anything and you don't get the email, just ask for it. We're a pretty accommodating bunch.
Hey, repetition. Cool! :D
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Yup! Just post here a couple days before the Monday you'll submit.
ahh ok great, I'll throw my chapter 2 down the intertubes on monday I guess. Small chapter that I was very satisfied with :)
No chapter one? ;)
Its a little.... jolty :P
Chapter 1 and 2 are both the start of the two MC's storylines so you can read them in any order. :P
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Aha, that makes sense. I look forward to your submission!
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Hi, I would like to join! My email is .
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You're on the list, manji. Same thing goes for you as Jexral, as I said above:
I would like to join this, I think. My E-mail is .
As Silk would say, you're on the list. Except, even though I'm a moderator, I actually don't have the power to edit Silk's first post and actually add you to the list. She'll be back soon though. For all intents and purposes, you are a RE member (which means you can submit), so if you want to critique anything and you don't get the email, just ask for it. We're a pretty accommodating bunch.
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New names have been added to the list.
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I'm going to submit from my "new" story on Monday. It's been so long, but hopefully it will be worth it. Maybe. You'll have to tell me. :-\
Oh, and welcome to all our fresh meat newbies! :D
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I'll send something Monday too. this chapter is a bit long, about 6k words, should I split it up for two weeks or all at once?
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If there's no logical split point, may as well give us the whole thing. 6k isn't too bad.
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I might have something ready for Monday, so put me on the list regardless. If I don't make it, feel free to throw apples at me ;D It depends on how fast I work today and tomorrow.
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Wait, if you don't make it, Chaos, shouldn't the ELC laugh at you? I thought that was their whole point. And they don't get a lot of use...I should know. I'm part of it (We really need to start back up that "The Wedding" thread...classic).
And I could submit on Monday, but I think I'm going to wait a week....Since I just submitted something last week, and it's really not that crucial....
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We don't have that many people submitting. If you want to, go for it.
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Well, that works too, I guess...I mean, mine is really short...not even 2k...
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Wait, if you don't make it, Chaos, shouldn't the ELC laugh at you? I thought that was their whole point. And they don't get a lot of use...I should know. I'm part of it (We really need to start back up that "The Wedding" thread...classic).
And I could submit on Monday, but I think I'm going to wait a week....Since I just submitted something last week, and it's really not that crucial....
I forgot who was even getting married in that thread.
Obviously, it should be Silk and I.
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But I'm too young to die...
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Sortitus and Hayley.....But that could be fun. We could restart it and have it be you 2! Yes! I love it!
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But I'm too young to die...
I think I'm gonna cry... :'(
:P
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What? Knowing death is equivalent to marrying you isn't comforting? Geez. So picky...:P
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I know, right? So hard to find good ones these days.
Besides, I'm supposed to make you cry. I am, after all, the Editor.
(Okay, not in any official capacity. But shhh!)
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Not yet in any official capacity. Not yet :P
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If it's not to late, I'd like to submit, too.
And Chaos, don't go giving her ideas. ;D
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Go for it, Flo.
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Hmmm... I don't think I'm submitting tomorrow. ;D
Commence apples and evil laughter...
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*pelts Chaos with apples*
Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Looks like chapter eleven will be done for tomorrow. Anyone mind if I submit?
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Yes, I do mind!
Oh wait, you already submitted ;) Haha.
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Sorry man, you have to be old enough to drink in order to object. :D
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I told him to do it to pick up the slack for some other lazy guy who said he was going to submit and didn't.
:D
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I told him to do it to pick up the slack for some other lazy guy who said he was going to submit and didn't.
:D
Heh. In your face, Chaos.....I mean, other lazy guy...not to name names or anything. :P
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Sorry man, you have to be old enough to drink in order to object. :D
I can drink.
...in Mexico.
Seriously, guys, this is the best evil laughing chorus you have? This is just tame ;) Though I suppose I will get crap until next submission date.
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Hey! I laughed! And I've made fun of you. I'm doing my part in the chorus...No one else is, though. Darn them. *shakes fist*
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I can drink.
...in Mexico.
And pretty much everywhere else in the world that isn't the US, for that matter. Which brings us to why our evil laughs are rubbish: we're all far too drunk for that sort of thing. ;)
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Hmm. Yes. Hence why mine is the only non-rubbish evil laugh--I'm the only sober one here. Fantastic (and yet very humorous for me...I remember the last time I was with drunk people on this forum. Over in stupid titles. It ended with the drunkies going snowboarding naked and slamming into trees. Ah. Good times, good times).
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Hmm. Yes. Hence why mine is the only non-rubbish evil laugh--I'm the only sober one here. Fantastic (and yet very humorous for me...I remember the last time I was with drunk people on this forum. Over in stupid titles. It ended with the drunkies going snowboarding naked and slamming into trees. Ah. Good times, good times).
Surprising, yet inevitable... :P
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I've been making fun of him. I also offered to punch him in the face!
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I've been making fun of him. I also offered to punch him in the face!
LOL, and she says Americans are violent!
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Hey, he brought it up first. I was just trying to help!
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Canadians are SO much worse....
(and for those curious about the aforementioned naked snowboarding, here's the link (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=5808.msg133851#msg133851))
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I did bring up the punching, honestly. Also, I would not care if I was beat up by a girl if said girl was Silk. Boxing for five years? Yeah, she'd win.
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Canadians are SO much worse...
And so much easier to make fun of, eh?
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Plus, her name is Silk....You can't forget where (and why) she got that name from.
And Flo--yes. Definitely. Impossible to miss that target painted on their backs...
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The problem with the target is that it hits back. It's ...reflex.
(Seriously, don't sneak up behind me. Ever. Bad idea.)
I can change my handle back to Raethe if Silk is too intimidating for you folks. =P
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The problem with the target is that it hits back. It's ...reflex.
(Seriously, don't sneak up behind me. Ever. Bad idea.)
But that's my only hope! The backstab does x2 damage!
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Not as much damage as I'd do if you startled me enough to send you flying across the room. ::)
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Note to self: work on dagger throwing skill ;D
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You? Skills?
Pfffffffft.
;D
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Aww.... Mommy and Daddy are fighting again. I guess now would be a bad time to ask for an allowance.... :P
I got my chapter done and would like to submit again on Monday. :)
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Sure, but I might have to say something mean to you for that comment. ;)
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And that's a change from the ordinary, how? :P
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Silk just wishes she still had an allowance . . .
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Frog: I can say nice and useless things if you prefer. Or maybe if you DON'T prefer. Muaahaha!
Erik: Hey, if it helps pay the tuition...
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I'm submitting this Monday. For reals, I swear.
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I was going to say something along the lines of "Chaos can't be trusted" but then I realized that there has never been a more obvious statement.... ::)
Silk: :o
Noooooo!
I'm sorry. I won't make fun of you two arguing ever again.
Maybe.
Or at least I'll think long and hard about it and feel real bad afterwords. :P
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That'll do. I suppose. :P
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I haven't managed to read (let alone critique) any of this week's submissions, and I probably won't critique anything for the next two weeks, either, but I'd still like to submit next week, if it's all right.
I'll try and catch up again afterwards, I promise. ;)
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Hey guys sorry that I havn't done any critiquing in the last 2 weeks, Its been very busy here at my house. I promise I will get around to in next week and then maybe submit something the following week. (Gotta see how things play out here at my house.)
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I'd like to submit tomorrow as well.
More The Sword of Worlds, its the titanic battle between Kajsa and the Draken! :D
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If I may be so humble, I would like to join this group as well. I'd like to read/critique a few times before submitting my own work so that I ensure I don't break any cardinal rules. ;)
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That's probably wise. We throw things at people who break cardinal rules.
(I almost typed "people who MAKE cardinal rules" instead of "break". Coincidence? I think not!)
Oh, and...
You're On The List.
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Many thanks! And, just in case, I'll start practicing dodging stuff. :)
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Why would anyone want to break Cardinal Rules? That's horrible! The poor, poor man.
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You're right, Cardinal rules never hurt anyone... except altar boys, but I'm way past that stage!
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None of that stood up in court. He was never convicted of anything. >:(
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Please, oh please may I join? I can't submit anything just yet (I have a crazy weekend ahead), but I may be able to squeaze in some critiquing time. My email address is
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Oh, look at all the nice, polite people joining up. I'll give them a week before they're dragged down to my level of snark. 8)
I'm submitting on Monday.
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Oh come on, your radar is way off. Anytime someone with a Terry Pratchett userpic says "Please, oh please . . ." anything, you should know they are, by definition, already being snarky.
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I guess I can believe that. Though, I've still yet to read Pratchett. It's on my list! :D
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I would like to submit the first chapter of a fantasy book called, "Heroes of the Necrowar" on Monday.
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I had a couple of questions:
1) What do you do with people who are on the email list, but haven't submitted anything in like, six months? Does the list ever get trimmed down?
2) Is there a more user-friendly way to paste all those email addresses into your email browser? Or do I need to put them in a word document and then edit out the names?
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I've been thinking that the list is probably due for a trimming of some sort. In the next little while I'll probably just send out an email to everyone and ask them to respond if they don't want to be on the list anymore, or something.
And at the moment, I'm afraid it's just a copy-paste deal. There's been some of using google-groups for the list, but not everyone was too comfortable with that. I might look into a listserv or something.
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It would probably be better to make people respond to stay on the list. Gets rid of unused email accounts.
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That probably would be a good idea, Strider. As long as she gives them a bit of a window and doesn't conveniently ignore the email from the frog. Because that would just be rude. :P
Oh, and Cynic, I have hotmail and if you copy and paste the addresses into the bar, it gets rid of the names on its own. I don't know if it works for all servers, but it is worth a shot. Only problem is I keep forgetting to delete my own address and get spammed... by myself. ;)
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Another option is use an actual mailing list. That way people can add/remove themselves from the list. It also had the added advantage of hiding email addresses and making it so you only send it to one email and it goes to everyone. We can also give the option of keeping archives so new readers can catch up on an artists works. The other option is to make a private forum and posting there.
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I would be opposed to a private forum to post the actual submissions. Forum security isn't all that great, I don't want to worry about screwing up any publication rights.
Our Google Groups plan was similar to the mailing list strategy, though, but people didn't want to be forced into having a Google account. Do you have other protocols you'd suggest, stridera?
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If you're worried about forum security, then any similar group security would be equally compromised. Setting up a mailing list is fairly simple. I can create one pretty quick on my server and set it up so only the people on the list can send email to it, etc. This comes down to having someone manage it (so we don't get just anyone joining the list) but I don't see how that's very different than what we have now.
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Agreed. Hit me up on IM and we should discuss this more, probably via MSN, because this way Silk can join in on the conversation.
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Always happy to utlize the expertise of others, especially when it means less effort for me.
I'm "away" on messenger right now 'cause I'm not feeling particularly chatty, but hit me up if you wanna talk shop :P
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Silk prefers to harass me via Twitter, apparently ;)
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I'd like to submit a piece on Monday. The title is... in fluctuation at the moment.
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And by "in fluctuation" I mean it's actually changing; the title is not "in fluctuation". And by "actually changing" I mean that I don't know what it is yet; the actual title is not "actually changing". Well, it is... but you get the point. :P
I should never post in the morning before I've had some caffeine.
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So the title is "not actually changing", right?
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So the title is "not actually changing", right?
Exactly.
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Westwriter and Recovering Cynic are on for Monday.
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Just a heads up for everyone, some of the submissions aren't making it to my email box. I think what's happening is that the people who have been doing submissions for awhile aren't getting the names off the fresh list, so the newcomers aren't getting copied on their stories.
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Hopefully we create a solution that fixes this.
Silk, I haven't seen you online. You want to msg me when you can?
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If you guys come up with something new, when will it go into effect?
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Soon! We are lazy that way, so the sooner we can get lazier, the better ;)
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What he said.
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Er, I mean, so we have more time to write. ::)
I'm talking with stridera and things are moving along very nicely. We also have www.readingexcuses.com, which is pretty sweet.
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We also have www.readingexcuses.com, which is pretty sweet.
Now if only that led somewhere. ;D
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It'll get there :P
One of these days I'll try and get an ad to appear on Writing Excuses for us. That'd be cool.
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It'll get there :P
Just don't ask me to build the website, please - -;
:P
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Did we end up sending that email to get rid of inactive members? Because if not, we should hold off on it until we get the new list set up. That way the email can just consist of instructions to get a person on the list ;)
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No, I didn't send out an email yet, this being precisely why. :P
Great minds...small minds...
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Yikes! I guess I should have read this before sending out that email. My bad.
And, why the hate, Flo! I bought the domain at lunch and got it setup by dinner! Isn't that quick enough? :P
So yea, the domain has been created and I made a list [email protected]. I was actually coming here to make sure people received it, but I guess we might have a different path to take. I'll let Silk decide the path. She'll have full admin access to the list once she pings me again. Either way, if you're on the list and you didn't get the email I sent (check spam folder) let me know.
Other things, if anyone wants a readingexcuses.com email address, msg me (via im/pm/email) and ask for one. Everyone might want to take advantage of this since it will give access to the docs/calendar/sites as well. I'm not sure if we'll use them, but if nothing else, the email is cool enough. :)
I put up a little filler website for now. If anyone is artsy and wants to create the images/design for the site, let me know! Otherwise, enjoy.
And remember, if nothing else, at least now you only have to remember one email address! ;)
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Give me admin access, too :P
I at least got the email. I can send off a more official email, I suppose. How would people opt out of the list, or how can we remove people from the list? (Feel free to PM me with the answer, it's bed time for me)
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I already did!
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We could add a field on the website for signing up and removing yourself from the list.
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The way it's currently setup would make that difficult. One option is to make everyone create a @readingexcuses.com account and we'll only send it to the people on the list. This might be good because then people could put up their whole works in docs.re.com and that way new people can catch up on older stuff. (This is also pretty secure since only people with an account can access them.) People would need to setup their email accounts to forward the emails to their real email address though, which is an extra step for the users... (or they can just use mail.re.com) What do people think?
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And, why the hate, Flo! I bought the domain at lunch and got it setup by dinner! Isn't that quick enough? :P
Bah, initiative is what makes people like me look lazy. ;)
I had actually thought the domain would merely forward to here, but I suppose a proper website works as well. As to the entire account business, I'd opt for sticking with a simple mailing list.
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I could make it forward here if we want.
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Once you guys work out the process, please update the submission instructions at the beginning. I'll be reading those on Monday before I submit anything. If I need an email address, can you go ahead and set me up as , but only if I really need one. How would I go about forwarding that address to my normal address?
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You do NOT need a new email address. I just threw the option out there for people who wanted to use the services. If you do want one, just go into Settings->Forwarding and POP/IMAP->Forward a copy of incoming mail to ... That way you'll never have to check your box and you'll still get all the emails. (I have rules to tag emails from my various accounts, like alumni/other domains/etc)
So, just to be clear, the ONLY thing that is changing is the email address. Now we have one instead of 30. The rest is just fluff. :)
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Cool. I'll take the address anyway :)
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Whoa, stuff happening!
I guess I shouldn't've gone to bed/done laundry/lost my internet connection :P
Anyway, my plan for whittling down the email list was to send everyone on our current list the signup instructions and tell them that if they still want to participate, they'll have to sign up for the new list. Does that still need to be done? Let me know. :)
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Silk and Chaos are signed up and setup as administers. I'm stepping back and letting them take control of the domain. Enjoy!
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Thanks a bunch, Strider!
New email list should be set up and ready to go.
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Strider, until we get an actual website, how about readingexcuses.com just directs to http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?board=29.0. That'd probably be the easiest thing to do.
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Allowing signup on the site is probably a bad idea. If you force people to come through TWG, it will eliminate spamming. Hopefully. Just have them register here and post in this thread to get invited or whatever. Also, if we now have this hidden list, we should destroy our email address listings here. So nobody gets confused and does it the hard way, and so that those of us who are paranoid can rest assured of our continued interweb security.
The Writing Excuses forum is a hidden forum of sorts. Only registered members can see it, though there's no group restriction on it. And now Silk has made a thread. I'm going to eat.
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Sortitus makes a good point RE signing up on the (theoretical) website. And anyone joining would still have to sign up for the forum anyway, to participate in the discussion.
Way ahead of you, though, already modified the first post with the new reading excuses email address. (Scrambled.)
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I'll PM Fell to take Reading Excuses off of a "hidden forum" into a regular one. That was a protective measure for the Email List, and now that we can hide that info, no trouble there.
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Well, it still does have our email addresses.... It's just indirectly now. Anyway, I kind of like it being hidden from all the lurkers... But that could just be me.
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I like it much better this way, too.
PM sent to Fell. Things are moving nicely.
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No, I meant I liked having the forum hidden from lurkers on the site, but if you don't like it, that's fine. At least the emails are gone. And I can erase my old entry one too. That was so long ago.... I was so cute and innocent then... :P
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Then you came here, where we abused you with our snark.
Well, I think it can't hurt to show off Reading Excuses publicly...
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You might want to go through all the old posts (50-something pages.. yikes) and erase everyones emails so they don't end up on spam lists and spiders hit the site.
The other option is to delete (or hide) this thread and start fresh.
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Then you came here, where we abused you with our snark.
Yeah, because I never once contributed to it....
Well, I think it can't hurt to show off Reading Excuses publicly...
But if you do that, then you will have to give up plugging it wherever you go! The horror!
Edit: FYI: In one of the older pages, Reonard posted the full list again. I think he is the only one who could get rid of it and I don't know if he is around anymore....
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Hmmm, stridera makes a good point. I also like to point out that I think it would be awesome if this topic was the longest thread on TWG. So, y'know, let's keep it ;)
Frog - Oh, I'd still plug it! All night long.
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Silk can modify posts in topics she created (likewise with me for topics I've created). She's going around deleting the emails.
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Thanks for doing the hard work! :)
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You mean, as Mods, you actually can DO something here? :o
:P
Thanks for that. One last question than I'll get out of your hair for awhile, I promise. Do you think we could still have a place where we listed all the members, email free, once you guys get the new list together? You know, like how we list who is submitting each week, just so we can pretend that we're organized and because I'm curious.
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Sure, that's no problem. (Says the person who can't edit any posts in this topic)
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Ask Silk :P
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Sure, if you want me to give me so much work that I throw myself off a bridge.
I was thinking of doing that anyway.
Good thinking about the emails. I don't think I missed any (except for one which it won't let me delete).
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How can a moderator not edit posts? Assigning a responsibility w/o the power required to uphold that responsibility is kinda worthless... :/
[cough] I just realized that you may not be able to edit the posts of someone with more power than you... oops [/cough]
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I don't really know how the "assign mod powers" works on this forum, but I DO know that for whatever reason they had a heck of a time giving us mod powers in the first place, so I haven't bugged them about it.
We can pin, lock, and move threads, which is most of what we needed to do anyway.
More power than us? What's this? Who has more power than us?!
We must find them! Find them and eliminate with extreme prejudice be very very nice to them!
*cough*
I'll be okay, folks...
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Then you came here, where we abused you with our snark.
Yeah, because I never once contributed to it....
You were snarky from the first hour....Threatening to beat up other members (with my help, but I'm irrelevant. It's all your fault. :P).
And wait! If this becomes the longest thread, that means it would beat Stupid Titles VI! That was an awesome thread! So much fun stuff. The Coalition, naked snowboarding, passing of fleas, enlightened glasses, Habusaki...Ah. That thread can't be beaten...
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Not by mortals, it can't. But we have mods. >_> <_<
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"Mods" and "gods" end with the same three letters.
Coincidence?
I THINK NOT!
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I was elected god once. Well, not really, but when I became Hero of Ages, I declared my divinity.
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Methinks that's cheating, Chaos....
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You were snarky from the first hour....Threatening to beat up other members (with my help, but I'm irrelevant. It's all your fault. :P).
I threatened to hold another member. The beating was ALL you.
And wait! If this becomes the longest thread, that means it would beat Stupid Titles VI! That was an awesome thread! So much fun stuff. The Coalition, naked snowboarding, passing of fleas, enlightened glasses, Habusaki...Ah. That thread can't be beaten...
That was ages ago. It can and it will be beat. Just let it die. :P
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Just let it die.
...to create a surprising third act reveal in which we find that its death was either a stunt or barely survived, and that the thread is either the Big Bad or arrives just in time to help defeat said villain?
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Ok! Wow. Disappear for a few days and look what happens... we get a brand new website (which is a cop-out since it leads directly back here...), and a new email address so we don't have to cut and paste. Huh. I always got around that by putting all y'all in a separate category in my account and simply adding new addresses to that whenever new people arrived. But I guess this is the easiest way, after all. ;)
I've been revising an old short story I'm no longer happy with. I'm thinking of submitting that, not this coming Monday, but the next.
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Hmm... I just may have enough actual material by tomorrow night.
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Another rousing addition of the adventures of Aishia & friends headed your way on Monday. :P
(Oh, and I'm beating Wilson! Ha!)
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Hoping to submit on Monday, but no promises yet, 'cause I'm also going to be away this weekend, apparently. ::)
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I should be on the list for this week. 'Cause I'm awesome.
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(Oh, and I'm beating Wilson! Ha!)
I wish there was an emoticon that showed disgust. I would use it right now...
And no. I don't mean disgust in myself for losing currently. This disgust is all Frog-centered....My main baddie will infect your slimy-green self in some disease that will make you bloat...and then blow up. Ha! Let's see you gloat then, froggie. ;D <--this is my version of an evil smirk. Yes. It leaves a bit to be desired and isn't nearly as good as the one on my face, but...I work with what I got.
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You could try this on on for size:
/run FuManchu
O O
,__,
,
/end
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Bleh. Unless some miracle happens, I won't be submitting on Monday.
Also, I'll be out of town until Monday. May or may not be online tomorrow morning... but yeah, play nice, kids. :P
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Uh, Silk. I am pretty sure that Wilson just threatened to inject me with lethal chemicals, courtesy of her big bad, out of pure bitterness and jealously of my slimy green awesomeness and you did nothing. So what would constitute as not nice behavior that we could possibly do while we are unsupervised that would bring down your Mod-ly wrath? And yes, I am looking for suggestions. :P
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But if she gives suggestions, then she can't get on your case later for it....That's not cool (however, I wouldn't be saying that if *I* were the one who had thought of it, but....oh well. And yes. That was another excuse. You helped me become the Queen of Excuses, and even though our elected mods deny my power, it's there. In your heart, Frog. You gave me this power. For that I will thank you. Right before you die. Yes. I know it's a cliche of evil overlords, but...you deserve that much :)).
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Ok if I send out chapter 2 and maybe revised chapter 1? No more than 4000 for both.
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Go for it. :)
Maybe I should have rephrased. I didn't mean "play nice". I meant "play however you want to, so long as I don't have to clean up".
See you all Monday. :P
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Ah, that makes more since. Thanks for the clarification Silk. Have a good weekend. And Wilson, you are aware of what usually happens to evil overlords with made-up positions right after they make death threats, right? 8)
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I will be submitting on Monday... might be late in the day, but I WILL be submitting!
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Ah, that makes more since. Thanks for the clarification Silk. Have a good weekend. And Wilson, you are aware of what usually happens to evil overlords with made-up positions right after they make death threats, right? 8)
Made-up positions? Whatever could you mean? You're the one who gave me this. So if ANYONE made it up, it's you....But you were saying?
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And I guess I have a new name to add to my list. Queen of Excuses...All righty. I can deal.
This is you giving yourself the title. All I said is that you made a lot of excuses. I did not dub you Queen. In fact, I didn't even directly say that you made a lot of excuses, I just implied it. So yeah, it required a bit of a stretch on your part. :P
So once an evil overlord claims an ill gotten title and starts making death threats to their small but worthy adversary, it is usually in their best interest to call it quits. ;)
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So you admittedly implied that I made a lot of excuses. And I think you knew that I would pick up on said implication. And since you should know by now that I tend to call myself the 'queen' of a lot of things (well. I guess not a LOT of things. Since I'm just the Queen of Slackerness, but oh well. Same dif) you should've known that by saying/implying that I use excuses overly much, I would give myself that title, and therefore you condoned said title. Because you knew I would do it.
So there. :P
And I'm no evil overlord. Do you see my title? It's pretty much the exact opposite of evil overlord. Good politician. No evil overlords here, even if I said you would die. I'm not the one doing the killing. It's just my main baddie...who I created....but I don't control him....he does things on his own....like making little froggies blow up....he gets a gleeful pleasure out of seeing frog guts spew all over the place....(ew).
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I'd like to post tomorrow
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I'm on for _next_ week. Providing the first week of school isn't too harsh on me.
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(ew)
My sentiments exactly. Wil, I think it is officially time for you to get out more. You and your big bad are having an identity crisis and it is kind of scary. So yeah, take a walk, smell the roses, and sure, I may continue to pull ahead of you in the writing race, but at least you'll have your health. :P
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My health is not NEARLY as important to me as winning this race. I just need to focus.....And heck, if my main baddie ends up meshing with me, at least that will make him easier to write. I must look at things positively here. Of course, then I would be writing a self-insert, but oh well. At least mine is more interesting than Stephenie Swan....I mean Bella Meyer...I mean...oh...never mind....
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Depending on how my 4am-8am shift goes for writing, I may submit the prologue to Rebirth.
(And if you want to know, sortitus, this is the one with the sapphires :) )
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Operation status: fail.
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Aww man. Have it ready for next week, OK buddy?
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Oh, I will. It's just been crazy busy unpacking and starting college. I haven't quite got the rhythm of writing during my night shifts, either.
I think Operation "Stop telling yourself it's crap and just keep writing" will have more success :)
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I will be submitting on Monday. :)
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I have Sortitus and Chaos down. Anyone else?
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I have 2 chapters to submit on Monday!
by the way, just call me Greg
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Go ahead and put me down for Monday. :) It's the second first draft of a short story I wrote a while ago. The first first draft was little more than a glorified outline, and now I've fleshed it out quite a bit.
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Me! Me! Me!
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Ach! I was waylaid by an English paper. I feel like an idiot because I canceled out last time, but hows about next week? *ducks*
My grand excuse: This Sucks and I'm a Horrible Writer.
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Wait, what? You put writing for RE, writing fiction, to the side over an English paper?
Administrator, can we get a Priority Check down Forum 29? Repeat, we need a Priority Check down Forum 29...
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I hope to have the prologue and first chapter of my book written by Monday and ready to submit.
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Signing up for Monday.
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I will submit on Monday, please
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I better be submitting on Monday.
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Due to the high volume traffic, I'm going to have to ask that my name be removed as a reader, at least for the time being.
Thanks,
It was fun,
Renoard
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No problem. You can, of course, come back anytime =)
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Uh, I'd like to remind everyone to adjust their submissions fields. My email filters the submissions and automatically saves the attachments using strings from the subject field, and I'm getting some submissions that do not even include the string "Reading Excuses", making the emails hit my normal inbox. Others just hit the folder without the date or username, which is less annoying, but still a bother.
Reading Excuses - [username] - [date] - [title] ([content tags])
If I were to submit today, the subject would look like this:
Reading Excuses - sortitus - Sep. 4, 2009 - Deimos (LS)
Complementarily closed,
Your OCD lurker/stalker/reader-that-doesn't-post
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Yes, that's been annoying me slightly, too. Also people, remember to name your submission files in exactly the same manner, just without the "Reading Excuses" part.
While I'm nitpicking. Erik. Lordy. Please post here when you're planning to submit, okay?
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I've noticed that it is usually those that are grossly behind on their critiques that complain about these type of things. ;D
Seriously, I don't see such nitpicky things as a big deal, but I shall try harder to remember so I can someday be cool enough to work into a computer program I would have no idea how to set up myself. :P
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It's easy. When you go input the Subject Line, you change it to the right format ;)
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Um... yeah now you're just being patronizing and I can't say I appreciate it. It is also very easy to click something into a folder manually like I do. But I really don't want to start a fight over something so ridiculously nitpicky, so I am going to forget this conversation ever happened and carry on with my regularly scheduled program. :P
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Sarcastic patronizing: just one of the services you get with Reading Excuses!
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Please put me down for Monday as well. And I'll watch my submission technique! ;)
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I was sort of hoping to submit myself this Monday, but even if I get anything done (which is looking highly unlikely) I think maybe we'd better cap it at that. Jeez.
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Gasp, we've actually reached a cap!?
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Well, we have six people signed up for Monday (I thought there were seven, but still). That's about 24k words right there.
Assuming everyone sticks to 4k words, and we've been fairly nice about letting that slide. :P
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I'd assume Erik's submitting.
My chapter, I'm sure, is going to be shorter than 4k. If I ever pass the 1k mark, that is.
I work about nine hours tomorrow, possibly fourteen, so you never know how much progress I'll make.
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So 25-28k then. My point stands. ::)
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Makes sense :) It's a nice change of pace to have more submissions, though. Well, except for the critiquers ;)
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Which would be, uh, all of us? :P
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Which would be, uh, all of us? :P
Yeah, well that's the theory. 8)
I've submitted a lot, and mine are usually a little longer, so I can wait if you want to go Silk.
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Thanks, but unless a miracle happens I won't have anything ready by then, so go wild.
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Tell ya what... I'll sit out a week, since we've got some people submitting that haven't in a while. It'll give me some time to incorporate all your great feedback. :)
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I'll only send one chapter this week and mine are all short. @1900 words ;)
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Haha
Now we're scaring everyone away. :P
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I was wondering if we were going to hit a cap this week (holiday weekend and everything). Could we encourage everyone to post early enough on Monday that we can take advantage of the free time (those of us who have it)?
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Yeah, now we're scaring everyone off. That wasn't my intent, guys. (It's my CRITIQUES that are meant to scare people.) Seriously, there's no need for anyone to submit less than they'd planned. I just meant to give a heads-up that we probably wouldn't be adding anyone else for this week. :)
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I was wondering if we were going to hit a cap this week (holiday weekend and everything). Could we encourage everyone to post early enough on Monday that we can take advantage of the free time (those of us who have it)?
In the beginning of Reading Excuses, a lot of people would submit right when Sunday changed over into Monday.
I'll plan to send mine out as soon as it's done, which, considering how much non-work I do (ie: sitting at the front desk writing) today, should be early Monday.
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I know this is a couple days late, but in reply to sortitus' comment about the e-mail subject lines and e-mails not getting sorted into the right folder...you should be able to put a filter on the "to" address line. In this case, tell your e-mail to filter everything that has a "to: (insert our mailing list address, since I'm not sure we want that on this un-hidden board)" into a particular folder. That's what I did. Of course, this doesn't fix the whole naming of the submissions problem, but it should fix the filtering deal...
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Mmm! Smartness! That would have been a bother before, but with the forwarding it is super easy. :D
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As one can plainly see, I have not submitted. In other news, writing while exhausted doesn't work so well.
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I would love to be added to next week's submission date. I really need a deadline to give myself some motivation to write something new
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Yay, Hamster! Will you be doing something new or are we finally getting more of your first book? :)
Yep, there were a lot of slackers this time. Me thinks we are in need of a better punishment than the evil laughing chorus. ;D
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I'm open to suggestions. :P
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Tis something from my first book, I don't really want to work on other stuff, too much distraction.
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I submitted, I submitted. Calm yourselves ;)
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I'm open to suggestions. :P
Two evil laughing choruses.
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Can I sign up for next week as well? I've had some complaints about offing my main character in the first chapter, so I kinda need to submit chapter 2 to prove that he isn't dead...
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He's not dead yet! He's getting better....
I think the punishment for being late should include being inserted into one of Cynic's stories. ;)
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And you say I'm a sadist...
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I'd like to submit on Monday (yes, I really plan to this time!). :D
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My submission is ready for Monday.
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Chapter two of Rebirth is delayed a week due to RHA camp. In other news, when there's an activity where you're supposed to swing across a rope over a "chasm", don't jump it. I succeeded the first three times (landings getting better each time!) but the four didn't work out so hot.
Basically, sprained ankles suck.
My defense? Jumping was the more efficient path than for every member of the group to rope-swing across one at a time. ...Efficiency. Yeah.
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Because everyone knows it's impossible to write with a sprained ankle.
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*ducks thrown objects*
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Well, the camp was a time waster. No computers, you see. The ankle is not a factor, but classes, unfortunately, are. Monday happens to be my long day ;)
...Just because I spent four hours looking on TVTropes while I was at work this morning instead of writing doesn't mean anything!
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Because it's absolutely impossible to write without a computer. :P
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I wrote a page.
Plus, it's hard to continue a scene when I don't have the beginning with me.
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Ok. I'd like to submit chapter six.
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I'll go ahead and submit my chapter three.
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Well then I'll submit a jumble of scenes that probably also constitutes a chapter.
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Because it's absolutely impossible to write without a computer. :P
It really is. My writing goes way downhill when forced to write on paper. Even in my formative years I was writing most anything substantial on a computer, so my mental muscles are all attuned to that tool. Make me write with pen on paper and I find myself forgetting the thrust of a paragraph before I finish writing it because it takes. so. LONG.
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I actually write much better on paper. It used to be that I would write a chapter out on paper first, then give it a brief once-over while I was transferring it to the computer; I couldn't write on a computer at all for the longest time.
I kind of got over that once the last week of NaNoWriMo happened... But I still prefer it. Pity it's so darn slow.
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I've got enough written now that I think I can safely apply for submission this coming Monday. Let's all hope I'm right.
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I'll be submitting Chapter 4 as well.
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I'm totally new to this but, may I submit one of my Short Story Prompts this Monday?
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I'll go ahead and pump out Ch. 5 of my story as well, although, there aren't many people out there reviewing these days . . . What happened?
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Bravesamwise: Of course you may.
Recovering Cynic: The start of the school semester?
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Recovering Cynic: The start of the school semester?
Oh. Er... yeah. Glad I don't have to deal with that anymore.
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Hah. I'd say "last year" but that only applies to THIS degree. ::)
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Yeah, Cynic, it always kind of comes in waves as far as people critiquing goes. We were having a good streak for a while so it was bound to catch up with us....
And yes, it school is the main reason for me that my critiques have slown down. Anyone care to tell me why I signed up for it again? :-\
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No school is the reason my critiques have slowed down. I always get the most work done on the train on my way to uni. ;D
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Doing archiving on my computer in anticipation of having to do a Windows 7 clean install when it comes in. Why is this relevant to RE? Well, I am now 100% certain I have every single RE submission that's made it into my inbox. Or the ones that actually said "Reading Excuses" marked on them, because that's what I searched for.
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Oops. Updating the first post to reflect this week's submissions.
Looks like it'll be a quiet week... am I missing anyone?
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You missed Cynic.
I might be submitted. Key word "might". It really depends how well I work these next two security shifts.
I'll go ahead and pump out Ch. 5 of my story as well, although, there aren't many people out there reviewing these days . . . What happened?
Ugh. I need to review more. Feel free to pester me via PMs, you know. Motivation helps. Besides, I need a steady stream of procrastination from college work sometimes ;)
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Fixed. I think.
Chaos, you should review more.
*pester*
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Get critiquing, Chaos! Put all those submits to work if you are going to bother archiving them! College is for losers!
There, did any of that help?
Hey Silk, how come you didn't add Bravesamwise to the reading list in the post? (I ask just to be annoying... which I am so very good at)
Welcome to the group, BSW. Sam has always been my favorite... :)
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Because I'm an idiot?
Thanks.
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Lol. Thank you!
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Let's put me on the list for Monday. I need to continue submitting or else the gods of writing shall smite me for my laziness. It's going to be a busy weekend, but I really want to pull it off.
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If it's another Oathbound revision, I don't know how helpful I could be. :o
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Noooo! I sent that into Writers of the Future. It's done. I don't want to look at it for a good long while.
It won't be anything nonsensical, either. Should be Chapter 2 of Rebirth.
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Hey, I was wondering if I could get in on this oh-so fun "Reading Excuses" thing y'all got going here. :) I may not submit anything right away, but I'd like to get into a loop a little.
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Of course.
Anyone other than Chaos submitting this Monday?
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I'd like to sumbit a prompt. If for nothing else but to continue getting used to being workshopped. =)
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You're on.
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I'm very sick. I need sleep. Submission comes... later.
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Wow, it's certainly a quiet week. My submission shall come next Monday, for real this time.
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My submission shall come next Monday
I second that motion.
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So... anyone submitted on Monday? I'm not, as I've decided to prep for NaNoWriMo. I'll need to churn out a chapter every two days, so I better at least have a solid idea of what to do.
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Not me. =( I don't have anything to submit. (Bad wannabe. Bad.)
Even if I did, I haven't actually done any critting lately, so I'd just feel guilty about submitting anyway ::)
PS: To all the people who are waiting for critiques from me, I shall get to those, just as soon as this pesky presentation thing (for my most difficult class, worth a full 25% of my grade) is over with.
...Well, maybe not JUST as soon. But shortly after. ::)
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I'm sad. No submissions at all this week?
Oh well. There better be a host of NaNo writing to critique come December ;)
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I'm sad. No submissions at all this week?
Yeah, it is kind of odd, but I suppose you could always use this opportunity to catch up on the older stuff...
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I'm sort of on a run at the moment, and want to get as much written as I can while it lasts. And I really don't want to expose you to a wholly un-edited draft. That would be cruel.
Also, I finished my very first chapter-length chapter just now. :)
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I'm going to go ahead and cruelly submit a horrible unedited first chapter of my NanoWrimo project this next Monday.
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I'm going to go ahead and cruelly submit a horrible unedited first chapter of my NanoWrimo project this next Monday.
Do it! :)
You guys will get a chapter of Rebirth today. I have one of the two viewpoints in it complete, it's just a matter of me completing the rest of it. It will be raw and unedited goodness, because I started writing this yesterday. I have a feeling a lot of the NaNoWriMo stuff will be like that.
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So... I wrote the prologue for Oathbound last night. I can either submit it this week or next week, take your pick.
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This week. I'm fearing we don't have enough people submitting, so you may as well do it now.
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Alrighty then. I'll try to have it emailed out before lunch.
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No rush. I know my submission will be lucky if it's done before midnight. I have classes pretty much nonstop until 6pm.
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Yeah, we don't have a whole lot of submissions this week, so go ahead. :)
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I know I'm new, but . . . can I submit something? If it's a short list of submissions I'd love to lengthen it.
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I've got the first chapter of the (as of yet untitled) book I've been working on done. I'd love to submit it sometime to be critiqued. Mind, it's only had some very minor editing so far.
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Both of you, submit! Do it!
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Well, it seems my slight concern that Reading Excuses was dying is completely unfounded. It was simply a slow October. Lots of submissions starting today. Hooray!
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Maybe if you want to revitalize it, you should actually critique a time or two. *hint, hint, nudge, nudge.*
;D
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You were concerned it was dying? After what, two slow weeks? Jeez. ::)
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Maybe if you want to revitalize it, you should actually critique a time or two. *hint, hint, nudge, nudge.*
;D
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Yes. I'm getting to them... Sometime. Sometime soon.
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Signing up for Monday. Not because I have anything all that good yet, but I am tired of staring at it and I figure I'd like to add some company to my misery. :P
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I'd love to submit something, but I'm brand new and I'm wondering...where do I get the list of emails? Call me a n00b--I read the rules but I probably missed that part. I presume we email it out Monday night?
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I might as well sign up for Monday too. It will be short and sweet again. Vegethalas, you email your submission to "all at readingexcuses" with the @ used for at. Either Chaos or silk will add you to the mailing list so you'll get a copy of everything sent too. If you want on faster, you could email them.
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Oh oh oh, I wanna go again. memememe pick me , me me me me.
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I'd love to submit something, but I'm brand new and I'm wondering...where do I get the list of emails? Call me a n00b--I read the rules but I probably missed that part. I presume we email it out Monday night?
Will add you as soon as I get back to my home computer, which has the link saved.
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Oh, good, Eric'll do it, now I don't have to, because I'm going to be late. :P
Yeah. We'll add you to the list ourselves, and for your part you just email out to the address listed on the first page of this thread (all[at]readingexcuses[dot]com, I think, but check the first page, 'cause my brain's not working right now).
LTU, Cynic, Frog, and Vegas for Monday then?
I'll change the list when I get home tonight.
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You know, you could just format it like sane people do, as in: all[at]readingexcuses[dot]com
:P
Both vegetathalus (I would shorten it to merely Vegeta, but I'm no DBZ fan, so I will abstain) and Clarissa are added to the list.
I will also submit on Monday, because if I don't get three chapters done by the time it's Sunday, I'm going to be severely behind in my NaNoWriMo stuff.
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Vegas is fine. Usually my forum nickname is "Veggie". ;)
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I don't format it "like sane people do" because bots can read it if it's left unscrambled, moron :P and I don't really want a bot getting ahold of a list with thirty or so emails attached to it. I imagine most people agree with me :P
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I don't format it "like sane people do" because bots can read it if it's left unscrambled, moron :P and I don't really want a bot getting ahold of a list with thirty or so emails attached to it. I imagine most people agree with me :P
Darn you and your logic.
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There, I've critiqued. Happy?!?!
Now I should go read and catch up on Concord, I think. I feel bad because Flo's latest submission hasn't gotten nearly enough critiques.
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Yep. Now you can complain away about the lack of submits in any given week. :D
I should catch up on Flo's soon too. I keep meaning to...
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I've kinda given up on catching up with Flo :( It's like 16 chapters in. I tried critiquing once and failed miserably.
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All right, all right, I'll write up a proper summary when next I submit. ;)
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Good plan. Me being behind has been what's prevented me from critiquing you so far.
I'd like to submit something this next Monday. Hopefully I should have something critique worthy by then.
And Chaos, I'm already quite behind in my NaNoWriMo writing. Approximately 10,000-12,000 words behind, and that's after doing 6,000 today. I agreed to accompany a musical, and it kind of ate my time. But now I have time again. It's amazing. But I get to play catch up.
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I'd like to submit on Monday.
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Can I submit 3 weeks in a row? Is that allowed? will my aunt Ruth shave her beard?
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Yeah, it's allowed. We're pretty much "if you want to submit, then submit". In the theoretical day when we get more than eight or ten people submitting, maybe not, but I think that day is a while off.
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Considering that the submissinos are an average of 4000 words long, I'd personally cap it at six or seven people. (Ten people would be nuts. Put it this way: do you want to critique 4/5 of NaNoWriMo in a week?)
Anyway, you're allowed to submit as often as you want, pretty much. If we end up getting too many people in a given week we'll give first dibs to people who haven't submitted in a while, but in nearly a year, that's only happened once (and then half the people who'd signed up didn't submit anyways). ::)
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I was just making up random numbers. I never said they were reasonable. :P
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I'm submitting on Monday.
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I never said they were reasonable. :P
Well then. It's a good thing one of us is. :P
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I'd say four or five. I'm having trouble looking through more than one or two a day.
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I definitely wouldn't want to do anything less than five. There're a lot of us, and otherwise it'll take people forever to push their stuff through. I know it's a lot, but remember you don't have to critique everything every week, or always get to it right away.
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In fact, it's kind of unreasonable for everyone to critique everything every week.
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Well yeah. And I don't (referring both to getting to it right away and critiquing everything).
But now that you mention it, yeah, the whole 'twelve people wanting to submit but it's capped at five' thing could really be an issue. We'd end up backed up for months, and we'd all have new stuff we were working on, but old stuff we were submitting. Yeah, it would be pretty messy.
So, in light of that argument, I think 6 or 7, or maybe even 8 is a reasonable cap.
In the theoretical day when we get tons and tons of people submitting, we could also split into smaller groups, with maybe 2 or 3 submissions (chosen by the smaller groups) going to the whole Reading Excuses group. We'd have to be pretty big before I wanted to do that, though, since it results in fewer people critiquing each piece.
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I'm probably going to put out one on Monday, assuming I can be happy with it by then. It'll probably be the only one for awhile, though (I'm slow, a perfectionist, and have a job).
That said, I seem to remember reading that you don't have to critique every single one you get. I don't know that I will be able to every week (although I'll try to post something, because I'll at least read them). I wouldn't mind getting up to 10 per week, under the assumption that I'd probably read them all but only review 4-6.
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I'm probably going to put out one on Monday, assuming I can be happy with it by then. It'll probably be the only one for awhile, though (I'm slow, a perfectionist, and have a job).
That said, I seem to remember reading that you don't have to critique every single one you get. I don't know that I will be able to every week (although I'll try to post something, because I'll at least read them). I wouldn't mind getting up to 10 per week, under the assumption that I'd probably read them all but only review 4-6.
I have a job. It just happens to be one that is extremely conducive to writing ;)
There has never been a rule that you have to critique every piece you get. Officially you just should critique one piece for every piece you submit, though most everyone exceeds that. As always, we want you to be writing as a top priority, not reading, despite our name, "Reading Excuses".
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I try to review most everything, and only occasionally do I skip a submission (sorry Flo! I just don't have time to read 17 chapters!). I think it has to do with a secret hope that people will then read my stuff :)
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I'm kind of the same way. Though I feel kind of bad because NaNoWriMo has unlocked this extreme wordiness in me, and both of my next chapters are over 5k words. I thought about trying to split them into smaller chapters, but what ends up happening is that one scene isn't substantial enough, and another scene is way long.
Ooooh, that's a thought. In the hypothetical day when we have bunches of people submitting left and right, we could cap it by word count. As in, we'll accept 30,000 words this week. That would ensure never having a week that was crazy busy and as a result, no one getting critiqued.
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The only thing wrong with that is when you get the hypothetical person who submits a 30k document to be critiqued, and then everyone else has to wait 'til next week.
Personally, I think 5k is a little light. Granted, pretty much anything I write will probably be that or smaller, but I'm not against reading 8-10k, either. I know the emphasis of this place is on writing, but I guess I'm probably going to be a rebel here, too, reading more than writing. I spend all day writing code, so writing more after that is sometimes difficult because my mind is just tired of thinking. Reading, however, doesn't work the same parts of the brain, and is sometimes quite refreshing. I can't speak for anyone else on this, though. At worst, you'll post your long chapters and fewer people will critique them. I probably still will (for whatever that's worth).
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It's not a big deal if you submit 5k instead of 4k; we're pretty flexible. The 4k limit is just a guideline to keep us from getting inundated with novella-sized submissions every week.
I think trying to cap submissions by word count would be difficult (especially since a lot of people are writing their submissions the weekend or even the Monday morning before they submit), and it might end up limiting the number of people who could submit in a week unduly. Maybe for weeks when we have fewer submitters (say, three or less) we could up the word cap for their submissions or something so they can push more material through. If people are willing to give up their quieter weeks, of course. :P
The crazy busy weeks happen, but not very often, and mostly I think it just means that people are a little slower getting to critiques, not that they don't get to them at all.
4-5k isn't a lot, it's true, but there are a lot of us. Having submissions of 8-10k would add up in a real hurry with just five people submitting a week; at that point you're practically critiquing a book a week, and I suspect a lot of people wouldn't be able to keep up. And I think most people don't want to see the number of crits they get a week go down.
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I'm not too worried about the cap because I am pretty good about NOT reading when I get too busy. Six or so is probably reasonable. As far as critiquing go, it may sound selfish, but the best way to get a regular critique from me is to regularly critique my stuff. Than I am plagued with guilt and HAVE to get yours eventually, even if my schedule may delay it a while. Otherwise, I may get to it, I may not, all depending on how I feel and how busy I am. I have a fairly good record at the moment, but I make no promises. :P
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Having not checked my RE inbox last week, I can safely say that seeing eleven new, unread submissions all at once induces panic, shortness of breath and nausea.
On an entirely unrelated and not at all hysterical note: for the love of God, people, don't call your files "Reading Excuses.doc" or "Chapter 1.rtf"!
Now if you will excuse me, I believe I have some reading to catch up on. ;)
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Flo: do the 30 in mine make you feel better?
Yikes. I knew I was behind, but I didn't know I was THAT behind. Sorry folks!
Uh, yeah, if you could name your documents with y0ur name and story title or something, that'd be a lot more helpful. :P
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You're supposed to include your username and the work title on the file. Or else I'll smack you :P
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I have been having a problem with the email system we are currently using. Every time I get someone's submissions, it comes out in duplicate. It's not a huge deal, but it is kind of annoying. Has anyone else been having the same problem, or is my name somehow on the list twice?
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I have been having a problem with the email system we are currently using. Every time I get someone's submissions, it comes out in duplicate. It's not a huge deal, but it is kind of annoying. Has anyone else been having the same problem, or is my name somehow on the list twice?
I just checked the list, and your email is only on their once. This is very bizarre.
Lethalfalcon also tells me that when he submitted, when he got his own email, it erased the filename off of his attachment. As far as I know, both of these problems have been isolated incidents and haven't affected any other members.
I'll talk with strider and Silk about it. Very bizarre...
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Well, it might be isolated in the sense that I am the only person getting duplicates, but for about two weeks now, everything that comes to me via the all[at]readingexcuses[dot]com mailing list has been showing up in pairs. Without fail.
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Just for two weeks?
Now, that's even stranger.
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I haven't seen either problem, personally.
No, you're not on the list twice; I don't think that app will put an email on the list more than once. (Unless perhaps you had a second email address that forwarded to the first and they BOTH ended up on the list somehow. Not that this would make sense considering it's only been happening for a couple of weeks.)
I'll see what I can do... but it'll have to wait until the weekend, I'm afraid.
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Just for your reference (since Chaos brought the problem out)
Here's the relevant source from my email. I will note that I have no attachment rewriting scripts/daemons on this email account, and all other submissions I've received fine.
Content-Type: application/msword; name=".doc"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: inline; filename=".doc"; filename=".doc"
The filename is just gone. It's really odd.
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Silk, Chaos said he fixed it. We'll know for sure next time we send out submissions.
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Okay. Thanks guys.
lethalfalcon: Yeah, I'm afraid I have no idea. :/ Let us know if it happens again, I guess.
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So I just finished a chapter yesterday that I'd like to submit on Monday. I'm excited to see what you all think of it. It's not flashy action or anything like that, but I really like how it turned out.
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If we're not too busy, I'll polish up another chapter of NaNoWriMo to submit. I might even be able to work in some editing time so you guys don't have to put up with what I crapped out for NaNoWriMo.
And are we supposed to be naming our files that way too? I was under the impression that was just the subject line of the email. Sorry!
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Please do name your files. You don't need to include the date, but name and title would be helpful. Otherwise, as Flo pointed out, we've suddenly got five "Chapter One.doc"s in our folders. :P
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Er... I'm pretty sure I titled mine... didn't I?
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Yeah, I think you're good Cynic.
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I shall be submitting something tomorrow or Tuesday. It will probably be a slightly out of continuity, as I'm oddly compelled to write chapter 9. Worry not, however, as it only really jumps ahead into the next day.
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I got . . . almost 8k words to submit tomorrow. Please?
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I'll be submitting something... probably mail it out in the next hour.
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LTU: Normally I'd suggest that you split something that large, but as it seems we only have three submitters for this week... go for it, I guess?
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I'll read it, even if no one else will. :P
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I'll read it. After December 4th. :P
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Okay, so I might submit something today. Perhaps I'll push it to later this week. Instead of writing this morning, I think I'm gonna do some critiquing! Yeah! Go procrastination!
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*snorts*
See all the amazing things NaNoWriMo does for one's motivation? ::)
Now if you'll all excuse me, I have a book to start writeing.
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I find myself doing the most interesting things for motivation.
"Come on, Andrew, two thousand more words and you can go to sleep!"
"Just another 500 words and you can eat lunch!'
"Mom told me to clean my room. The only thing I can do and not feel guilty about not doing what she says is write. 2k more!"
"I'll start listening to music after 1k more!"
"Write 2k more, and then you can read something that's not crap!"
"YAY! I got to 30k! Only 20k to go! If I copy and paste the first 6 chapters onto the end, I'm done!"
Yeah, it gets interesting. I'm sure I've done weirder things, but those are the main ones that come to mind right now.
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No submission from me this week, either. I needed to get back my momentum, and I identified the problem on why I'm having difficulty moving forward: I do not know why Haiden has come to enact his plan right now. If he dethroned Kurick, he would probably have a considerable political acumen to become Consul almost immediately, so there are areas to explore here. I also do not fully know the Khabor side of things, and while this new viewpoint character helps, there's still a blank spot in my book build. So, if Haiden is here now and legate terms are short, then there must either be some additional impetus to compel him to act now, or something had prevented him from doing so before. I must outline the direct consequences after the Collapse and how things changed afterward, which should give me a very precise picture on both accounts, and will probably tell me what's the full deal with the Khabor.
And as Ravenstar pointed out, she's not fully clear about the primary conflict. This also must be extremely concrete, and it will be to the character. These are the issues I'm going to tackle tonight and tomorrow.
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Yeah, nothing from me this week. Last week's submission made me realize that I've got to go back and fix a lot of issues before moving on. NaNoWriMo has helped me develop my story in new ways that I never expected (42k words, by the way), but it's also resulted in a lot of crap that really isn't necessary.
I'll be attempting to fix chapter 3 this week once I finish NaNoWriMo, and I'll also be doing some extensive outlining. So the moral of the story is, if I submit at all, it will be later in the week, and will depend entirely on how well my outlining goes and how many other people submit.
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I'll be submitting this week. Doesn't look like there's too much going on.
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Me too. I've got somethin'.
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I'd like to submit. I feel guilty because I haven't had time to critique everything yet, but I'll get to it someday! I promise!
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I'd like to read more of your writing, vegetathalas. Just... don't read my last submission, whatever you do. You'll gouge your eyes out and never be able to write again. :P
As an aside, hopefully, in the next couple of weeks I'll be able to submit something. It will *not* be as bad as the last, I promise! Things will *happen*. It'll probably not be this next Monday, though. I'm trying to get caught up on work.
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I've got something for Monday as well.
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I'll have something on monday as well.
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You'll definitely get something from me this week. It remains to be seen whether it will be a dirty cop out or not, however.
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Yay! for busy Mondays.
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Ok, well since we're already busy and my outline is still only three-quarters of the way done, I'll wait until next week to submit. You WILL get something from me then,though. I get first dibs on next week.
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Well Andrew, I think Operation Cop-out seems likely, so if you have something, feel free to submit it. Mine barely counts :P
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I would have something if I'd seen this earlier today, but as is, I really do need to finish my outline before I go to the rewrite, and I'll have to do that tomorrow, so odds aren't looking good for monday. There is the possibility that I could maybe submit later in the week, but there are already three submitting not counting yours. I'll just go next week. It's easier for everyone involved. Plus that gives me enough time to give you all a semi-decent chapter.
EDIT: I just finished the outline following one character straight through, with none of the other character's plotlines (except where they cross, anyway). It's eight pages, not double spaced. Methinks it might be time to trim my plot just a little, especially since I have five viewpoint characters (well, ok, more like four and a half). Still, this should be a ridiculously large beast of a thing.
Oh, and I now know how my story ends. That's a good thing.
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Endings help :)
You know, "Operation Cop-out" could be a cool name for a short story.
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Endings do help. My ending changed four times today, each one getting progressively more awesome. I'm now way psyched about how my book ends.
When you actually have time, you could write "Operation Cop-out." I would probably read it. But you have to work on Rebirth first, because Methinks I like Rebirth quite a lot so far.
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Don't worry, Falcon. I'll pad my fingers so the gouging will merely be a bruising.
Just joking.
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Hmm... it seems Veggie has pulled a Silk. :)
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I find it excessively funny that my spam feature lets through everyone's RE submissions... except my own.
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Wait, what's a Silk?
Oh, the "I'll get to it one day" thing?
You folks have NO right to complain. Just think how many posts you're getting out of me for free!
Anyway, today, as I understand it, we have: vegetathalas, Recovering Cynic, lethalfalcon, LongTimeUnderdog, Chaos's Dirty Cop-Out, and Erik Holmes will be submitting a bit later. Yeah?
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Is it really vital to have this listed out when we've already submitted? ;)
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Hush, you. I'm trying to make myself feel better about not keeping up with my administrative duties.
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No, I meant that she had done a whole bunch of critiques at once, like you have done in the past. And I didn't mean it as a bad thing. Whatever you guys can do it fine by me, especially since I am so sporadic about submitting myself that I really haven't personally felt a lag from either of you. ;)
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Ah, yes, one of those. I'm probably going to do another one of those in the next week or so, too. ::)
I might not read ALL forty-two submissions at once, though. That may be a little bit... much.
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42 at once. Wow. I think that would be like taking out my brain and sticking it in a tub hot marmalade. OUCH OUCH MY BRAIN! While I love reading, critiquing can be hard work, sometimes.
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Hah. Reading and critiquing 42 subs (43 now that Erik's submitted) would actually probably take me like three or four days, since it typically takes me an hour or two to do a decent critique...
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42 at once. Wow. I think that would be like taking out my brain and sticking it in a tub hot marmalade. OUCH OUCH MY BRAIN! While I love reading, critiquing can be hard work, sometimes.
I know! I couldn't write my critique to Sword of Worlds 18 because I couldn't come up with more than a paragraph of generic-ness. For shame :P
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I might as well throw something out Monday. I know we did mine last week but it's a short chapter.
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I will have something ready for Monday as well.
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Hopefully there will be something from me on Monday. It won't be a dirty cop out, however :P
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So Vegas, Cynic and Chaos for Monday?
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Ahh! I got first dibs on this week no more than a week ago and Silk has already forgotten me? I think I shall go cry!
Seriously, I have something. It's actually semi-decent, too, now that I have a plot.
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If it was as long as a week ago, no wonder I forgot. ::)
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Excuses, excuses. I expected better of you, Silk. :'(
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I can't imagine why.
In any cases, Excuses are what we're all about.
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I may need one on Monday...
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Again? Really, it can't be that difficult to crap out a chapter, can it? You can always fix it later....
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No, the chapter isn't difficult I'm just lazy. And actually considering that I just realized my Monday is really free, I should be able to crank out one by the end of Monday.
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So I have an ember of a short story burning in my brain. I will be writing it this weekend and submitting the first draft on Monday. I want to submit it to writers of the future, so I have 13 days to coax my little ember into a raging, glorious fire :)
And yes, I am a pyro.
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YAY the writers block is over! Not that my stuff is all that great anyway, but I'm gonna have something on monday.
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I'm not. College Applications are eating my life. Hopefully I'll have something by next week, because this week is my last in school (no, I'm not on break already. Sad, isn't it?), and I'll have a bit more time after that. Though granted, I'll probably be forcing applications out the door for a while yet.
Anyway, I'll probably pull a Silk on you all at that point and catch up on my critiquing too.
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Okay, I've put this off long enough. I'm going to submit something tomorrow. Work can wait. :P
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Sadly, as it turns out, my short story did not wish to stay short. In other words, (1) my idea was incapable of being contained in under 30k, and (2) I have nothing to submit today, which means (3) I've been a slacker lately.
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You could submit it anyway, you know.
But... uh... not all at once. Please not at all at once. The amount of stuff in my inbox right now is already enough to make my brain explode.
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Well... I got 12 pages in before I realized I was going to have problems. I'll submit the twelve and see what kind of suggestions I get from the masses.
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Well I suppose with seven new chapters, I'll have something to submit next week . . .
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You're definitely getting something on Monday.
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I'll have a couple of chapters to submit for next week...I guess that's the 2nd, since I didn't get word in by Saturday, right?
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It looks like we only have two others submitting tomorrow, so go ahead if you'd like.
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Awesome. I'll send it out right now.
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I'll need another spot this week if it's available. I'll be resubmitting the first 2 chapters and adding on another 7 pages or so that I've got done. I'm basically writing this so that I'll have to get it done, since I'm feeling lazy.
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This week too.
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I'm going to submit late on Monday.
I've also decided I'm going to start posting who our new members to Reading Excuses are here, in case people don't introduce themselves so soon.
New members since the last time our list was updated (the newest member then was JustinCarmony) are: Dark Prophecy (you already knew that, though!), Asmodemon, and ublique!
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Still gots me some chapters to submittal.
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Since LTU seems to be the only one submitting and since people have been giving me a hard time about not submitting enough, I guess I'll submit a flash story tomorrow.
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*flexes his I rock muscles* That's right, only one week so far with no submission and about 20 chapters written to buffer. WWNF award here I come!
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I'm going to submit late on Monday.
Apparently when I said this I meant next Monday, and a day late.
That counts, right?
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No. Five minutes in the corner.
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You'd do that to your fake boyfriend? :( Talk about tough love
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XD
"Tough love" is what I'm all about. Which you know very well.
Pidgin.
(To anyone else reading this: Yeah, long story.)
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Maybe that could be your next submission! Your long story about you and Chaos' illusory relationship, filled with suspense, drama, horror... and a neglected forum-child. :D
I'm eagerly awaiting this installment.
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It'd be X rated, of course, so we couldn't submit it to Reading Excuses.
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Bah, I'm pretty sure you're both competent enough to gloss over the things the little ones can't read. 'sides, with society today, it takes a lot to get into X territory, especially in a novel... unless you're going to do a graphic novel, at which point someone has way too much time on their hands.
...unless you mean X for eXcitement, and you just don't think fun things belong here. :P
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Well, it's both, naturally.
Plus that X rated stuff has great character development, and we aren't just talking about "developing characters" as "creating babies". Though there is that.
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This is going to haunt me for the rest of my natural life, isn't it.
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I'd imagine so... I suppose that's what you get when you start giving tough love to Chaotic things and then tell very cynical/sarcastic people like me on forums about it. :)
So when do we get the long, unbiased story? I'm pretty sure Chaos is embellishing things a bit. :D
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I'll have something for Monday :) I finally got off my butt and wrote.
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Don't you usually get *on* your butt to write? Or are you one of those really unique people that writes while standing? :)
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Haven't you heard of the treadmill desk (http://www.engadget.com/2005/06/08/the-treadmill-workstation/)?
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Actually I write wherever I get the ideas. I have a notebook for that very purpose :)
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I've got the very first draft of the first chapter of Deathday Magic ready...er, well, ready to be destroyed, at least :P
So, question. We submit on Mondays? For some reason I was under the impression it was Sundays. In that case, I've got something ready for Monday. Sorry everyone :D
Oh, and I'm also interested in this Chaos+Silk story. :)
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Yay for having more to submit! Yeah I'll have stuff next week too.
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Yeah, the official day for submission is Monday. Some people (myself included) will occasionally send off the email Sunday night so that it's waiting in people's inboxes on Monday morning.
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That's probably what I'll be doing, since I work nights on the weekends. Early Monday Morning, I'll shoot it over.
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If I can I'd like to submit something on monday too. It's the prologue for the Citadel of Thorns.
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So Dark Prophecy, LTU, and Asmodemon for Monday?
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LTU and Cynic, too, methinks. I might actually have some work to do critiquing next week. :)
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Myself as well, assuming I can crank out a chapter on Monday.
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After much college and scholarship applying, I am (nearly) back from the dead. I can try to submit something tomorrow, if you'd like, or if we're too busy I can wait until next week. Either way, I need to get going again, or my book will fizzle. It already hates me for leaving it with no effort whatsoever for 3 weeks.
Anyway............
Oh, to all the numerous people who have submitted....pretty much anytime in December or January, I promise, I'm getting to critiques. I just haven't had time recently. I now have a life again, though, so I should be able to get at least some done tomorrow as well.
Chaos/Silk (Chalk?) - Just let me know if you'd prefer I submit or wait till next week.
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Go for it, if you'd like. We'll cap it there, though.
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Been a busy week for me, but I promise if I haven't gotten to your piece (and LTU, I owe you a much better review, with line edits) then I will this week. I'm reformatting my compy tomorrow, throwing some windows and linux back on there, and then I'll be good to go.
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I would like to appeal to everybody to use the words "Reading Excuses" in their subject lines of their emails. I could set up more filters so that they all naturally go to the right place, but it's much easier if you all just facilitate my laziness.
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I would like to appeal to everybody to use the words "Reading Excuses" in their subject lines of their emails. I could set up more filters so that they all naturally go to the right place, but it's much easier if you all just facilitate my laziness.
People are supposed to. It's in the rules. I remember this because I wrote them, because I'm anal-retentive in that way. :P
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In my attempt to notify you guys about new members when they join, we have a new member, nikitakit!
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I finally got to read that backlog of submissions in my inbox! Yay! And then my PC kicked the bucket two weeks ago, so I have a whole new backlog to work through. ::)
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Sooooo... I never submitted my piece for review :( The sad part is, it was actually written, but then I went and found out I was going to be a dad and my brain fell to bits the last few days. I could send it out now, or I could just wait for Monday. Take your pick.
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You were on the list, Cynic. Go ahead and send it out, just for the "date", use Monday's date.
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K, tried sending out my story from my main email address and got this message:
The account that you are using to send mail is currently bouncing and we do not allow posts from bouncing accounts. This is the last error message we got for eldersbailey[at]hotmail[dot]com:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 SC-004 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for policy reasons. A block has been placed against your IP address because we have received complaints concerning mail coming from that IP address. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider for help. Email/network admins, we recommend enrolling in our Junk E-Mail Reporting Program (JMRP), a free program intended to help senders remove unwanted recipients from their e-mail list: http://postmaster.live.com (state 13).
If you have questions related to this or any other Google group, visit the Help Center at http://www.google.com/support/a/readingexcuses.com/bin/static.py?hl=en&page=groups.cs.
Thanks,
readingexcuses.com admins
I tried sending it again from a different email address, but I'm still not sure if it made it through. Can anyone explain what's going on?
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I'm afraid I have no idea, but I can tell you that your submission did get through. It's in my inbox now.
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Whoa. Um... I don't know what to say to that (other than a snarky "Hotmail sucks"). I haven't gotten the email from your other account, either. It looks like someone thinks you are spamming them. That's what I gather.
I'll keep you updated on whether I get anything. I may also do a test submission to the email list and see if I'm being bounced too, in the event that multiple accounts of yours don't work, Cynic.
EDIT: Of course, the minute I post the message, I get it in my inbox...
EDIT2: The one from your Readingexcuses.com mail address, at least.
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I got it too...
*sigh*
You just had to give me a really long one this week, didn't you Cynic? Right when I was getting so close to catching up. Oh well. I'll get to it. ...Someday. :P
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...but then I went and found out I was going to be a dad...
Well congratulations, that's great news (at least, I'm assuming it is. I know for some people it can be anything but good...).
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It was very good news :)
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Oh, yes. I thought I mentioned this, but apparently not, so congratulations. :P
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Okay, since nobody else appears to be on the list for tomorrow, I'll put myself forward. I've still got to finish what I've been working on, but I guess that's just extra motivation, right?
Also, the titles of everyone's submissions produce some pretty hilarious Amazon ads...
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I'll submit . . . since do so every week.
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I did submit.... hope that's ok.
And I agree, the amazon ads are amazing - I think, however, that the google ads are better.
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Er... I don't think I got any of the submissions. Something screwy is going on with my email. Anyone who submitted this week, could you do so again?
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Hmm. I got all three submissions. I wonder why you're having such trouble.
To the backlog already building (again!) in my inbox: Sorry. After February 1st.
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Hm. I've now sent mine directly to you. Hope it gets there...
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Sent again directly to you as well.
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Been busy with real life so I haven't had a chance to give any of them a detailed reading. I'll try and start reading a few Wednesday.
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More stuffs on Monday.
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I'd like to submit on monday too.
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LTU and Asmodemon for Monday.
Cynic, did you get everybody's submissions the second time around? Let us know if you keep having problems.
If anyone else has problems, though, I don't wanna hear about it. ::)
I mean, uh, of course you should let us know. :P
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Well, I fixed the problem, so everything should be good now. If someone missed a review by me, I didn't get it :(
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Was it overenthusiastic spam filters or something then?
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No, I had my reading excuses email set to forward to my normal hotmail email. Anyway, hotmail threw a fit about that saying I was "bouncing" emails and blocked my reading excuses email. So my reading excuses email was forwarding, my hotmail address was deleting, and the emails were disappearing into cyber space.
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I think... yes, I think I may have a submission for Monday...
Wait. Crap. I don't have a title for it yet.
...I'll get back to you...
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Me too!
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Okay, I have a working title now, not one I'm ecstatically happy with, but it'll do for the time being. I'm ready for this Monday.
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Shivertongue: You can send it out to us as "untitled" if you want to. Just through "Shivertongue - Untitled" (or whatever the heck our format is) into your email title and filename title, so we can tell it apart from everyone else's. :)
Sorry for my silence recently. It's been a long few weeks.
LTU and Shiver for Monday. Have I missed anyone?
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I'll have something for Monday too.
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I think I'll submit something for Monday as well.
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I think I got three chapters done this week. So I'll be up for monday.
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I have a new draft of Discharge to submit on Monday as well.
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If my compy is fixed, I'll have something on monday.
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I've got something for monday too.
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About half done with this chapter. If I can manage to finish it by Monday, I'll send it out, but I can't guarantee how likely that is...
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So LTU, Asmodemon, and maybe Shiver for tomorrow.
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I got one too.
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I got one too.
Gasp, Erik warning us about his submissions? Madness!
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I thought I would use it to build up the suspense.
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Alright, I know why I haven't submitted yet (broken compy). Where's the rest of them?
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Alright, I know why I haven't submitted yet (broken compy). Where's the rest of them?
I wasn't able to finish the chapter. It was a longshot as it was, but I've made some signifcant progress and should have it done by Wednesday. Which means I can do some quick edits while I work on chapter three, and have it ready by next Monday.
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Me! mememememem! I've got something for Monday . . .and the next Monday . . .and the next.
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Looks like I will, in fact, have a chapter for Monday. Hope no one minds, but I was planning to attach a much-revised chapter one as well. Some aspects of chapter two might not make sense without seeing the revisions...
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I might be able to submit something this Monday as well.
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I believe I have joined the group/list by clicking Notify and have a very short prologue for a short story I would like to submit.
So I guess this is my post for the next available submission date/time.
But how do I know who to send an email?
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Submissions are sent to 'all @ readingexcuses.com'. Except, you know, without the spaces.
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To get your name on the list, you'll have to PM me and/or Chaos with your e-mail address, otherwise you won't be able to receive submissions.
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Hmm, I'll have to pick one of my many chapters I got done this week to submit . . . or I would have to if they all weren't successive of each other. Anyway . . . . So I think I'll be submitting next week.
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I suggest the order in which you want them to appear in the book. :P
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Reading the story out of order does make things rather confusing...
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Well, it's also easier for us to give feedback about pacing and whatnot if stuff is in the order it's going to appear.
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Am I going to be the only submitter again? Is Silk going to try to put me in my place again without me actually being there to be place put?
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Unless I can crank out five thousand words by Monday, it doesn't look like I'll have anything this week. School has been beating at my writing time, and when school isn't work is. I've got the entire chapter figured out in my head, I just need the time to sit down and write it...
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Sorry :( Work is killer lately, so i have put off writing/reviewing for a bit. I will come back. Promise. Besides, I think I have an idea for a nifty short story. I just need to find time to write again.
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Tell ya what. I'll try to post something tomorrow. It'll be from a different story than before. And then I can wade through the backlog of LTU's submissions to poke at him some more ('cause I know he loves it oh-so-much). Oh, and a few from other submitters, too. :P
Work has been killing me, too, and on top of that I just found out I need to have one of my teeth pulled (and subsequently replaced, since it's my top left incisor). So... more work, so I can afford the $2k surgery and $1400 crown. Whee.
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So LTU, maybe Shiver, and maybe Falcon for tomorrow.
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You know I love you Falcon.
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You love me like a witch loves the huge mole on the end of her nose. It's necessary for the persona, but it still hurts like hell. :)
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hahahahahahahaha
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Due to incidents which can only truly be resolved by shooting someone in the face, I have changed my email to [email protected]. Well . . .okay . . . for whatever reason it's started eating emails sent to me and I've just leaned that I've missed quite a few important ones.
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Alright. Changed your email.
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I'd like to submit this next week, if no one minds... =)
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me too me too
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I've also got something to submit this week, a short story I've been working on.
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Sam, LTU, and Asmodemon?
Sorry to be so slow on the uptake. It's been a long few days.
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I've got a bit of a longer work I'd like to submit.
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Awesome, Clarissa. We're not getting as many submissions, so go for it.
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I've barfed out like 2 chapters today. I suppose I could submit too.
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LTU, you're ridiculous. I'm jealous.
Okay, so Clarissa and LTU thus far.
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My family is out of two for 9 days. I'm actually trying to finish the story in that time.
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That would be amazing. Good luck!
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So... what is the actual to mail it out? Sorry if I'm a bit out of it... :P
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all [at] readingexcuses.com
With the @, obviously ;)
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Sorry, I meant the date. Today's fine?
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Tomorrow's the real date, but tonight's really no different. :P
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Alright. Looking forward to your feedback!
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So... what is the actual to mail it out? Sorry if I'm a bit out of it... :P
Yeah, I suppose you missed the word "date" in there ;) Haha.
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Who's up for this week?
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Me! mememememe
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Wish I was. Getting a tooth pilled on Wednesday, though, and for the last week my mind hasn't been able to focus on writing >_<
Something interesting may come out when I start on the Vicodin afterwards, though...
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The last tooth I got pulled (3 weeks ago, front incisor) had no pain, afterward. You might not get to enjoy that Vicodin much (incidentally, I got subscribed Percocet, which I never filled because I don't like spending money).
Hopefully your tooth extraction goes as well as mine.
Nothing on my end, either. I got 250 words of Chapter 1 done, but I have to pay for said extraction (and later, the permanent replacement), so it's more work for me.
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The last tooth I got pulled (3 weeks ago, front incisor) had no pain, afterward. You might not get to enjoy that Vicodin much (incidentally, I got subscribed Percocet, which I never filled because I don't like spending money).
Hopefully your tooth extraction goes as well as mine.
I filled the Vicodin already, and it was pretty cheap with my health insurance co-pay (along with the penicillin - the tooth is infected as well - the total came to about $8). This is a back tooth (number 15 as dentists call it) and has been broken for about two years now. Did you go with the local, or pay extra to be sedated? I'm guessing the former, based on the comment about spending money.
I'm terrified of being conscious throughout this, but I'm consoling myself with the ideas that I can a) wear headphones and listen to an audiobook and b) this might prove a valuable experience for a future story.
Edit: I could also tell some fun stories about percocet, but this is a family-friendly forum, so....
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My periodontist did something interesting. They doped me up on a short-term sleep agent called Halcion (triazolam). It made me... forget the greater part of that morning. I was conscious, and apparently aware through the whole thing, but I literally cannot remember most of it (which kinda bugs me from a mental standpoint, although I'm glad they did it). I have bad anxiety, but that really did the trick. They gave me some nitrous as well, although I'm not exactly sure whether it did anything. They still used lidocaine as well, so I couldn't feel it. All in all, I was everything short of a general anesthetic.
I had my first year molars removed a long time ago, and they just used a local for that. Honestly, I remember it feeling kinda funny when they just sorta popped out. A sucking feeling, like when cranberries fall out of the can. I'd imagine, though, if it's broken it's going to involve a little more digging to get the root out.
You'll be glad you did, though. My front tooth was abscessing as well, and the doc had to scrape quite a bit of scarred bone tissue away in order for the bone graft to work. He said if I hadn't gotten it done in the next couple of years, the bone would likely have deteriorated too much for an implant to be possible. One thing you'll definitely want to do is use ice on the side of your face afterward. 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off. It'll keep the swelling down. Otherwise, you'll look like a chipmunk for 3 days or so.
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Sounds like fun. Can I be on the list?
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Sure. Send Silk or I a message with your email and we will put you on it.
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I've been doing a lot of overtime at work lately, which has left me rather drained, but I think I've got something for monday.
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I do too. Working two jobs makes everything difficult.
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Silk I forget if this is the right thread. I apologize if not, but I'd like to be added back to the list. I've a bit more time than I did. :)
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Good to have you back, Renoard.
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Yes, welcome back. :)
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I think I might have something for today. Anyone mind if I post it? (I think I'm the only one with something this week?)
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I don't see a problem. :)
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Yeah, go for it.
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Here's a random thought from my sleep-deprived mind. In regards to the submissions... would it be easier if we allowed them every day of the week, with a limit of one per week per person, and perhaps a day of advanced notice for everyone else? This came to mind because I noticed, the previous two times I had submissions, that I finished them usually on Tuesday or Wednesday, and then I'd have to wait several days before I could send them out.
Maybe this has been considered before, I dunno. It make sense to me, but then again, I've spent the last five days barely sleeping and working on a Jack The Ripper board game from scratch...
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Usually if anyone asks in the middle of the week we just make an exception and let them submit anyway. I can't see why we wouldn't unless it was already a full week. We've stuck to the one-day-a-week thing because that makes it easier to keep track of who's actually submitting, and we can cap submissions if we need to. It's to keep everybody from getting overwhelmed with stuff.
Personally, I like the current system. I am also only one voice.
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Given that several people don't submit on Monday already, I'm not really sure it means much to say "submissions are on Monday". I *do* think it's better to have submissions around the same time, because then if we ever did get busy, we could say "okay, only 5 people can submit this week". If we went to a first-come, first-serve system, then the people who submit on Sunday would get preferential treatment, and the late comers would get annoyed that they could never submit.
Of course, given that right now there's one or two per week, as Silk said, just notify that you have something done, and more than likely there won't be any problem with you sending it mid-week. We really don't want to deny you just because it isn't Monday.
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Good points, both of you, and I agree with them. I like the current system for those reasons, and have no real objections to the Monday thing, other than I have a tendency to finish chapters (when I actually manage to get some writing done) on Tuesdays. (Then again, having the extra days gives me time to edit...). It was just something that popped into my head and I thought I might put out there.
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Well I actually have something to submit this week. Yay.
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Me too. (I think).
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Hello all! This is my first post here, but I would love to join the email list as well. Nothing submission worthy yet, but I'm 2,000 words in on a short-story that I would love to be able to have critiqued. (Assuming this one actually gets written!)
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Welcome Drew :)
On another note, I think I've got something to submit this week.
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Chapter 1 of six stones is almost done. I'll have that ready late monday.
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I'm working on something. I've set a goal to have a submission for you by tomorrow, and the best goals are public.
So: I'd like to submit tomorrow. Make sure to point and laugh if I don't make it.
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So, three people this week? Oh boys, more stuff!
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So: I'd like to submit tomorrow. Make sure to point and laugh if I don't make it.
Your wish is my command. :)
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Still not receiving RE submissions . . . .
Email addy is the same as it was before.
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I just got my first submission to read. I think I'm as giddy as a schoolgirl!
Which is odd, because I've never been a schoolgirl.
I've been nearly as excited to read submissions as I have been to write them.
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Drew: That's what we like to hear! ;)
Renoard: You're on the list now. You should get submissions today, as not everyone has submitted yet. LTU's the only one who's submitted so far, if he wanted to take a minute to send his submission to you (hint). :)
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I'd like to submit this coming monday, if possible.
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Me too me too!
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You bet you can.
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If i might, I would like to throw my hat into the ring on Monday as well. I have a one scene prologue, 1st draft, that I'd like feedback on to see if I should proceed with the rest of my story.
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Can I go for Monday? I haven't submitted in a while and I have (long) short story to submit :)
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No problem. We're only up to four people so far.
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Only? We haven't had more then 2 in months.
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We had three people just last week, didn't we? :P
Anyway, I wouldn't consider capping submissions until probably six people. That's what I meant by "only".
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Hi all!
It's early yet, I know, but what can I say? I'd like to put in a bid to submit something next week. Haven't decided if it'll be a silly short story I wrote awhile back or a chapter of my as yet unfinished novel. Preferences anyone? :P
Joining this site has apparently sparked something. I've gotten more writing done in the last two days than in the last month. ;D
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Excellent. That's what we like to hear. :P
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Hey all, I'm back and better than ever. My goal? Impress Frog :D
Just kidding! I'm really just finally back to writing after being far too busy with kids and whatnot.
Anyway, if there's a spot open to submit this coming week, I'd love to shoot the first chapter of yet another novel your way.
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I have something for Monday as well. I re-wrote my last submission. Other than the first two pages, it is entirely different (and shorter).
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Hey all, I'm back and better than ever. My goal? Impress Frog :D
psh. These days getting Frog to even read something would be a feat in and of itself. Fallen off the horse awhile back and it is so hard to get back on. That, and I've noticed that the moment I let myself get into critic mode my ability to write my own new stuff is shot for a day or so and I really want to have something finished. If you think I am tough on your work you should see what a bloody mess I can make of my own stuff.... :P
Welcome back anyway!
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It'd be a feet, huh? :P
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yes, thank you Silk... ::)
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*grins* Pleased to be of service.
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You would be.
And now he knows the real truth. The only reason anyone would be worried about me, is that they haven't yet experienced the absolute bliss of being corrected by Silk. :P
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Yeah, and a lot of the new blood around here hasn't been, because she's still stuck in January. :)
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You would be.
And now he knows the real truth. The only reason anyone would be worried about me, is that they haven't yet experienced the absolute bliss of being corrected by Silk. :P
Awwwww, you miss me!
I'm almost done with the novel I'm reading, so I'll be starting your guys' stuff this upcoming week. Then again... Maybe I'll leave it for a while. Wouldn't want Josh to lose his favourite entertainment (that is, taunting me about it) :P
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Awwwww, you miss me!
That would require one of us to leave. I haven't posted anything after Jan, so as far as me and my submits are concerned, you're all caught up.
I'm almost done with the novel I'm reading, so I'll be starting your guys' stuff this upcoming week. Then again... Maybe I'll leave it for a while. Wouldn't want Josh to lose his favourite entertainment (that is, taunting me about it) :P
Favourite? :P
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She's a crazy Canadian, don't pay any attention to her :P
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Pro-oud to be Canadian... we won't say that we're better, it's just that we're less worse!
That was your Obscure Comedy Band quote of the day. You're welcome. :P
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I'm gonna have something this week!
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I've got a short piece of flash fiction that I'd like to submit this week, if it's not too late to say so :D
Only about 500 words or so, that I remember.
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Go for it. But only 'cuz it's short.
I'm kidding. ;) Submit away!
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I may have more Benders by late tomorrow. Or, hey, even Tuesday. Is that alright? Others have submitted late in the past and nobody seemed to mind.
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Go wild. It's not like we have many submitters this week. :)
Also, welcome to the group, aronsamma.
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Thanks. I'm working on a book, but I'm going to hang around for a while and try to help some other people before posting anything for myself.
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I'd like to submit a new chapter this week.
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Go for it.
I was hoping to submit on Monday, but I've just realized I've got something due for a workshop on Tuesday. It's probably going to take most of tomorrow and Monday, so I guess my submission will have to wait until next Monday. I'm staking my claim now. :P
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I think this is just what I need to get me remotivated! I'd like to join the group, if you are still taking submissions. I'll just put my email here, and I was wondering, I read the welcome post and some of the formatting info, is there any other gift basket of information I can take a look at.
i'm on the list now, thanks!
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You're on the email list now. :) The submission for this week has already been sent out, so you should start getting emails next week, but people are also good about re-sending stuff if you want to catch up on anything.
Oh, you might want to edit your email out of the previous post. Anyone can view this thread, so it might lead to a proliferation of email spam.
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Will there be a submission spot open for me next week as well? Or do I need to 'do my time' critiquing first?
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Heck, you can submit today week if you want to. We've only had one other submission today so far.
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Yeah cause that Canadian girl didn't submit . . . . <looks around wildly> Wha?
Okay I'm going to submit monday if I may. I think . . . .
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Hey, I said I was submitting NEXT Monday. :P
I'll put you and me down, then.
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Let me know if there's still room on monday, I have another chapter to fire off, if that's ok.
I'm also excited for my first chance to critique, it's been a while.
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Go for it.
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Okay, I've tried to submit, but all I've gotten is Mailer-Daemon notices that it wasn't delivered. Either they're lying, and everyone received three copies of my submission, or I'm doing something wrong.
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No, I haven't gotten your submission at all. Not too sure what's going on here. Renoard, is that the same error you were getting?
I see Comatose has been able to submit just fine, so I'm not too sure where to start looking here. Oh, and for those of you who haven't got my submission yet, it's becawuse I won't be sending it out until later this afternoon. :P (Or, if I get really desperate, at midnight when I get home.) ::)
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I didn't get anything from Comatose...
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I haven't received anything from anyone this week either. Sounds like something is broken at Google (hey, it's still beta, right?).
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Comatose... submitted last week. He hasn't made a topic this week.
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The list is fine, people. I just sent a test email and it worked.
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Oh, you're right; the submission from Comatose that I have is from last week.
I got both Eric's test email and Shiver's submission with no problems.
Looks like it was just having some temporary problems. Renoard, you might have better luck if you resend now?
My submission will probably come late tonight. Or rather in the wee hours of the morning. Sorry, but this is proving to be slow going and I won't be at home for most of tonight :P
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I was under the impression that long ago, Renoard had issues with the email list and had solved it by sending to the list with a different email address. It worked for Shivertongue's submission.
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I recieved Renoard and Silvertongue's submissions, but apparently mine did not get through?
I did submit again this week, and I made a topic. Silk said it was ok.
Should I resubmit?
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I got yours. I didn't get Renoard's though.
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I got Comatose's, but not Renoard's.
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I got both. :-\
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You should go forward Renoard's submission to me :P
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I'd like to submit something this week. pretty please?
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For the record the issues I had long ago were before the list existed. I was trying to BCC and couldn't send that many emails at once. I created a list serve at that time, on my own server and used that until I went inactive. When RE list was created I was not put on it. I asked to be a nd began to receive submissions but was unable to send. I only tried again this week and found that I still could not send to RE so my submission was individually mailed or bcc'd to a handful of members.
The issue with the listserv is the fact that the RE domain is parked and aliased on top of TWG. The typical means for handling this is to create an "MX" record that aliases the mail domain as well. This acts as a big forwarder. If the target email adress, in this case all@RE is in turn a listserv and in some cases a forwarding alias, it is not capable of responding to certain verification requests that are built into certain email servers.
SOOOOO when the email comes in with a request for verification, the target email (being both a list and behind at least on forwarded MX) is not capable of giving a meanigful replay to the verification request and the server where the list resides (in this case mail.TWG) reports that the list (all) which is IN it's own database doesn't exist as a valid email and bounces the incoming email.
At least that's the set of conditions I've seen this happen on before.
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I'd like to submit something this week. pretty please?
You're on the list for Monday. :)
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If I could submit one last time before taking a bit of a hiatus for revision, that would be nice.
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You betcha.
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I hope it isn't too late to ask, but I'd like to submit the second half of chapter 1 today. Not meaning to be pushy, I'll go ahead and try sending it If you don't get it and want to message me. If I'm jumping the gun and Silk pours wrath upon my head, then wait till next week to review it. :P
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I hope it isn't too late to ask, but I'd like to submit the second half of chapter 1 today. Not meaning to be pushy, I'll go ahead and try sending it If you don't get it and want to message me. If I'm jumping the gun and Silk pours wrath upon my head, then wait till next week to review it. :P
Do it!
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I didn't get Valkynphyre's. That might have been my fault though. I was sure it was in my email inbox, but now it is not. Regardless of the fault, please resend it!
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Sure.
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I hope it isn't too late to ask, but I'd like to submit the second half of chapter 1 today. Not meaning to be pushy, I'll go ahead and try sending it If you don't get it and want to message me. If I'm jumping the gun and Silk pours wrath upon my head, then wait till next week to review it. :P
Silk is all about the wrath.
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I'm not getting Renoard's posts, but I have to disagree with his assessment of the situation. RE is not just an alias to TWG. www.readingexcuses.com is a 301 redirect to this forum; all the MX records point to google. A DNS check produces this:
Your MX records that were reported by your nameservers are:
1 aspmx.l.google.com 74.125.43.27 (no glue)
5 alt1.aspmx.l.google.com 74.125.155.27 (no glue)
5 alt2.aspmx.l.google.com 74.125.155.27 (no glue)
10 aspmx2.googlemail.com 74.125.43.27 (no glue)
10 aspmx3.googlemail.com 72.14.213.27 (no glue)
10 aspmx4.googlemail.com 209.85.229.27 (no glue)
10 aspmx5.googlemail.com 74.125.157.27 (no glue)
Now, I don't generally give Google a lot of credit here (I really don't like them for anything but basic searches), but I'm pretty sure their system is set up right. They have millions of users, after all. I talked to Chaos about this, and got the forward for your email. It looks like your mail server tried contacting a Google server that is NOT hosting RE's records (74.125.95.27). To me, this looks like either opentransfer.com has stale DNS records, or they're getting magical data that's grossly wrong. Either way, it's not anything on RE's side.
Also, the system RE is using is just an alias redirect to send out to all addresses on the list. It is not a true listserv.
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What's with all the random 'Fred's in my inbox? Are we changing systems or something? You go less active for a moment.... :-[
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Random Freds? I see no random Freds... I also continue to not see anything from Renoard...
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No WE aren't changing anything. It's not my place to change things for anyone else. I can't send to the All [at] RE address, so I created a genuine listserv. Anyone who is a member on Silk's list and WANTS to use it can. The address is the last one. ;P And I'm sorry for the spam, it was a way of working out kinks. You should have seen the list of random bounces I deleted.
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Just so you all know, I'm going to be out of town until probably Tuesday. I doubt you'll even notice I'm gone, but if you need a moderator for some reason all queries should be directed at Chaos 'til then.
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I'm not doing anything fun for the fourth anyways except for two graveyard shifts, so I am very much here.
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I'd like to submit something this week. It'll probably be the last thing I'll submit before going on vacation, away from my computer.
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You're on the list ;)
EDIT: Anyone else submitting anything?
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I stake my claim on next Monday! I actually finished something! Now I have 5 days to play with it and make it worse.
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And wisteria_purple is the newest member of the group. :)
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I'm brand new, but I have something to submit for Monday the 19th, if there's a spot available.
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Go for it. I don't think there's anyone else lined up so far.
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I'm looking to throw my prologue into the mix, if there's room. It's a tad long though, running something like 9k words – would you guys rather I submit it in halves?
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I personally don't care; some might, however. Is there a good place around halfway that you can break it without making a mess of things?
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Yeah that shouldn't be too hard. I'll just play it safe and split it, then – assuming I'm on the list, of course.
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Well, we don't have anyone else on the list for Monday so far, so... first come, first serve. :)
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Well, the upcoming Monday is looking really busy so far, but I think we can probably find room for you.
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Yeah, go for it! And it seems like most people actually prefer a whole, if somewhat longer chapter than a split chapter that adheres to the word limits.
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I think you missed your <sarcasm> tags. :P
So submit the whole thing, and anyone who complains can critique it over two weeks. :)
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My brain is jelly. Lemme 'lone. :P
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Well, it's looking like I'll have something to post on Monday, Aug 2. (First day of the month is Sunday, that means Fri the 13th this month.) I'd like to reserve a spot, if its possible.
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It's all yours.
Also, I'll be away from Friday to Monday.
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Pencil me in for Monday; I've got chapter one ready to go.
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All righty.
Good grief, is it going to be August 9th on Monday already? ; ;
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It's a little late to ask, but it looks like I have something to post today (Aug. 9), if that's okay.
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Absolutely. :)
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I'd like to submit a micro-story (flash fiction) this coming Monday.
Derby
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Sure, you're in.
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I don't have chapter 2 completely finished, but maybe if I tell you guys it will be up on Monday I'll be forced to finish up by then.
Chapter 2 to will be up on Monday.
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For extra motivation, we all promise to point and laugh if you DON'T send it to us on Monday. And call you names.
:P
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Since I'm back from my vacation I'd like to get back into the swing of things, I also have a chapter to submit on monday if that's all right.
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Absolutely.
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Ok. So... I'm gonna go ahead and say that I've got something to submit on monday. If that's ok with everyone? I know it's been a while since I've been around on here...
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We-ell... I guess we can allow it... this time. :P
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Looks like we've got 3 for Monday, the 23rd. I'd like to make it 4, it it's alright.
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We-ell... I guess we can allow it... this time. :P
Thanks! ;D
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Looks like we've got 3 for Monday, the 23rd. I'd like to make it 4, it it's alright.
Actually, you're number five. But yes, that's fine.
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I'd like to submit another chapter this monday.
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Sure.
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I would also like to submit the rest of chapter 1.
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And, again if there's room, I'd like to submit something as well.
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You betcha.
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Aaaand life hit me upside the head today. :P I'll hold off until next week unless, by some miracle, I can pull a few more paragraphs out of my brain tomorrow (unlikely).
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Curious, would it be ok to submit something, but instead of sending a document, sending a link to the story directly on my blog? I keep everything that I want to share with others there. I have a second draft of the first chapter of my very tongue-in-cheek story up and would like to get some reads and opinions. So, if I include a link in email and create a new post for comments here on Monday, would that work?
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I'd rather you copy and paste it into an attachment, so I have a local copy of it.
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I personally prefer documents as well. Makes it easy to write line-level comments.
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I'll third the attachment preference, when I read submissions I usually do it while on commute when I don't have an internet connection, so I'd need a local version anyway. It's much easier if I can just download an attachment so I can read and put my notes in that rather than save a webpage or copy-paste the contents to a local file.
And on the note of submissions, I've got another chapter for this monday.
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I've finished tweaking chapter one for now... I'd like to submit on Monday as well.
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I won't have internet for the rest of today or tomorrow; I'm roughing it for labor day up in northern wisconsin. Alright if I submit early on Tuesday?
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Close enough, sure.
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I'd like to submit again this week.
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I would like to submit a revised version of my story tomorrow.
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I'm going to submit too in a little while, unless someone shoots me dead before I hit send.
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Schools been making this a bit rough but I'm determined to stay on schedule for this; I should have another chapter ready by monday.
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I'm also trying to keep to my personal schedule, so I'll also have another chapter this monday.
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I should have something to submit this coming monday, so long as i keep at it. (though, with this newly added deadline, i'm sure i'll have it ready)
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I'd be interesting in submitting a short story on monday if that's alright.
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I also want to submit again if that's all right.
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Yep. List's updated.
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I'd to like to submit on Monday.
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I have half-formed chapter that I'm hoping to finish by monday, too.
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I'm going to try for another submission on monday as well, so far I'm on a roll with them ;)
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You betcha.
FYI, I'm going to spend the next couple weeks trying to catch up on/get ahead of my grad school work, in the hopes that I can actually start contributing again before December. :P
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I'd like to submit another CH on monday.
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I should have something to submit this coming monday :D
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Check and check.
Don't you people ever stop? Monday's a holiday--
Oh wait. Right, Americans. Never mind. :P
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I also have another chapter for this monday.
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I also have another chapter for this monday.
I still haven't received your last chapter.
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I'd like to submit a chapter for next monday 18th October
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Go ahead, Steve :)
By the way, I am still alive. Forgive me--higher mathematics takes a lot of effort.
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Go ahead, Steve :)
By the way, I am still alive. Forgive me--higher mathematics takes a lot of effort.
Name's Dean, not Steve.
Btw, I did junior maths at university and that was a lot of work (though it was admittedly the advanced stream). I can only imagine how much effort higher mathematics would take!!
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I'd like to post another CH on Monday as well.
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You bet.
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I also like to send in a new chapter on monday.
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Aaaaand I'm back! I kept forgetting to use the temporary forum, but I was doing nanowrimo the whole time so I suppose it doesn't matter. Anyways, I'd like to submit the first chapter of my nano story on monday, taking a bit of a break from the story I'd been submitting up to this point.
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Since we're back on the forums I'll continue to submit my novel. So I'd like to submit CH4 for monday.
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Got you both.
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I'm gonna submit Sunday evening or Monday morning.
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Sorry, forgot to post this sooner cuz of christmas and all, but I was planning to post the next chapter tomorrow.
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Go for it.
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Considering shooting Eric dead before he hits send . . . .
Silk, Erik can one of you message me with the email address you are using for me because I have only been getting submissions from a couple of newer members. Had a computer meltdown a bit ago and I'm completely sure what's where. :P
Also I'd like to submit. I was on the plus side when I disappeared this time. :D
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I would like to submit a short story this Monday, is that cool?
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You bet.
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well I didn't submit, and that was because All (at) RE just won't let me send. IT always bounces stating that the email recipient doesn't exist.
Incidentally I can't send to ANY address at RE including Silk. So it seems that I'll not be submitting.
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That was my fault Renoard. It should be fixed. Sorry about that.
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Thank you Stridera. Yes it works fine.
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Thanks, Strider!
By the way, for those of you who got Strider's email and wondering who the heck this Natalie person is, that would be me. :P
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Hey Hey
Would I be ok to send out my first chapter on monday ? ^^
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I've got my next one ready as well.
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I would like to submit as well...for real this time :-)
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Haha.
Mkay, that's three so far.
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I'd like to submit another chapter for monday please.
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*sigh* You people with your submissions. You are NOT making me feel any more productive, over here. :P
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I'd also like to submit something this monday.
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Sure.
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Nat put me up too, if you would.
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Ahhh! i feel like an arse as i sent the e-mail before posting here! so sorry!
I guess this serves as my I would like to/I have already posted for the week....
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Halo: It's not a big deal. The only reason that we have people post here first as all is to make sure that we don't get too many submissions in one week. Personally I would probably cap submissions at about 6 or so a week, which has rarely if ever happened.
List updated.
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Welp, I'm ready for another go
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I'd like to submit as well.
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hopefuly edits should be done by monday, and i would like to submit as well.
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You're on.
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I'd like to submit again.
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I also have something to submit.
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You're on.
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Well, I thought I had a chapter to submit, but the more I look at the thing the more I hate it, so I'm going to abstain this week.
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Ok, assuming I don't get bogged down in superbowl craziness this weekend (I live in milwaukee) I should have my next chapter ready for monday.
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I'd like to submit again.
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All righty.
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I'd like to submit my next chapter.
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You bet.
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I've got my next chapter lined up.
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I'd like to submit again as well.
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You're on.
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Will be posting this week. Assuming no one minds.
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I would like to submit again as well.
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I have just come across this group, and I would like to submit something. How does it work? What do I need to do?
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Juan: Just PM Chaos and I with your email address, and one of us will put you on the mailing list so that you can receive other people's submissions. Everything that you need to know about submitting your own work is on this thread (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=6850.0).
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Gracias! I've sent you both messages with my email, so just let me know what the next step is. I'm ready to participate as soon as you all are ready for me. :)
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Hi,
I'd like to submit the prologue of my first novel tomorrow (that is if I find a way around a big hole one of my alpha readers talked to me about five minutes ago).
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List updated. Juan, I included you since it sounds like you're ready to submit tomorrow. Just send your submission to all [at] readingexcuses [dot] com in the format described in the thread I linked above. :)
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I should have something ready for this monday
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I have plenty of stuff ready, but no one has commented on my last submission, so I'm not sure there's a point in throwing something else up yet.
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I've got another one.
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I sent a PM to Silk, I think. I didn't get any response so I was just gonna let you know that I'm posting about 400-700 words of a story, on my blog every Tuesday. (I'm sorry, I didn't think to align it with your distribution day), just hoping to get some feedback from some people who like to write and read. I would like to be part of this group but I don't think I have time to read a chapter a week. Honest. If we don't have to hand in our feedback immediately I wouldn't mind being sent stuff.
Here is the link to my blog, the first bit of the story is posted on the home page so just scroll down.
http://www.brainpan.webs.com
Thanks,
-Manny ;D
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Hubay, Juan, LTU: You're on for next Monday. Juan, I'd go ahead and submit anyway--a new chapter might get more responses or spur people to look at the last one. Sometimes things are a little slow.
Manny: You don't necessarily have to respond to people's chapters right away, or respond to every chapter every week. Our guideline is at least one critique per every chapter you submit.
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Hi. I'm new and I'd like to submit a chapter.
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I'll put you down for the upcoming week. :)
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Hi, I just joined up and would like to submit two chapters (don't worry, it's only just over 4,000 total words) this coming week.
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Yeah I wanna try again to get something submitted this week.
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Three submissions lined up for the upcoming week already? Looks like it'll be a busy week. :)
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is there room for one more? It is only small the beginnings of my re-write ^^
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Yep. You're on.
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If you think there's more space, I'd also like to submit my next chapter this week (about 3200 words).
Otherwise, count me in for next week.
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Well, you're the fifth person and I don't usually cap it 'til six, so go for it. :)
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I should have one done this week. And I think it will be hilarious.
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I've got another one ready as well.
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I also have another chapter I can submit next week. (Of course, if we pass the limit and people who haven't gone recently want to submit, I have no problem waiting.)
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^^Sorry about that; apparently I had made an account a year ago and forgot about it, and when I went on the site using firefox instead of chrome, it auto logged me in and I didn't notice the difference. ::) You can delete that post.
I also have another chapter I can submit next week. (Of course, if we pass the limit and people who haven't gone recently want to submit, I have no problem waiting.)
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Three for tomorrow so far--looks like we probably aren't going to pass the cap anyway. :)
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Gonna try hard to get something out for Monday.
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I should have my next chapter ready for tomorrow.
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Whee, I'm behind.
Hm. No one submitting this week?
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Got something for next week, at least. Tried, but couldn't get it for this week.
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Apparently someone hacked my Email account, changed my password and stuff. Because I'm annoyingly paranoid, [email protected] is no longer in use and any emails coming from there . . . are not mine.
The new Email is [email protected]. Why? Because I couldn't think of anything better. Thanks.
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Mkay. I will add and delete email addresses accordingly.
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Alright, hopefully I'll have something finished by monday. if not feel free to shame me into working harder.
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Your wish, my command. :P
Could use some of that shame myself right now, actually...
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I have my next chapter ready for tomorrow : no need for shame when you have set deadlines :-)
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Another chapter ready for Monday. Woot! I'm on a roll!
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And another one. I'm actually surprised I got it done.
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I'm stuck on this rape scene – I've never written that sort of bit before, and it makes me feel kind of strange seeing what I've come up with. But the rest of the chapter's done, so if I can't finish it I think I'll send it in and come back to the dark parts later.
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I should have my next piece ready by monday. No Easter for writers :-)
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I'm stuck on this rape scene – I've never written that sort of bit before, and it makes me feel kind of strange seeing what I've come up with. But the rest of the chapter's done, so if I can't finish it I think I'll send it in and come back to the dark parts later.
To be fair, doesn't exactly sound like it would be easy to write. Yikes. (And make sure you tag it--I forgot to tag the violent bits in one of my subs once and I was mortified.)
Sorry for my absence lately, folks. End of semester madness here. A couple more days and I should be done. Well, "done."
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Um... I'm new around here, but I'm guessing this is where I say I want to submit something.
I'm currently writing a comic book script called "Paper Boy," where I try to avert or subvert as many superhero tropes as possible. At the same time it's a high school mystery graphic novel.
Currently I have about 100 pages but I'd like some feedback on whether my comic book would be interesting. I have the first half of Chapter 1 ready, just to see if characterization or pace is all right.
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Yup, this is the place. I'll put you down for next Monday. =)
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I'd like to get in on the action, but I'll probably just be a voyeur at first -- critiquing as opposed to submitting.
I'm working on a little somethin' somethin' that's a cross between Raymond Chandler and Jim Hines' Goblin series. (I suppose Glen Cook's fantasy-PI bit would be the closest approximation, but I haven't read a ton of him.) I hope to have some work ready to submit with a month or so.
My email address is <myusernamesansspaces>.gmail.com
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I got something really really really short for this week.
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Go for it. Grumpy Bhudda: not a problem. I'll add you.
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I'll have something to submit this week, on the longer side.
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Got you.
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Ready to submit chapter 5 tomorrow.
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Sure thing.
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Newbie here. I have a rough 1st chapter ready for some experimental novel that I started writing when I was bored in my free time. If the submission date is full, that's entirely fine. I can submit the next week and work on something else in the meantime.
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Yay, I got the next chapter done! I have something for Monday now.
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Jovarus: Go ahead and submit this Monday. Looks like we've only got three people so far anyway. :)
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I would love to submit my first chapter for Monday, if possible. If there's a waiting list, I understand though :) It's around 2,000 words if that info is needed.
Will
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Whelp, finals are over, so it's back to writing! I have a new chapter for monday.
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Will and Hubay, you're on for tomorrow.
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I've got another chapter in the works, looks like it will be done by monday
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I would love to submit my next chapter, if possible. Thanks!
Will777r
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Yep. Looks like a quiet week so far. Go for it!
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I should have another chapter of my as of yet untitled sci-fi epic ready to submit for next week.
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You bet.
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If possible my chapter 3 is ready for submission on Monday :)
Will777r
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You're in.
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It's been a really quiet week here...I would have a chapter ready for tomorrow, but seeing as my last submission (and Will777r's from this past week) have one comment between them, I wonder if I should wait and save it for next time.
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Sometimes that happens. Likely those submissions will collect a few more comments in the next couple of weeks as people finish up whatever else they're busy with right now, even if you submit something new. Field's wide open if you would like to submit tomorrow --I suspect it wouldn't hurt--but it's up to you. :)
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I think I'll just wait until next week. I'd rather not burden everyone with more to read, as everyone seems to be busy.
(And it gives me more time to write chapter 6....)
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Waiting until next week myself if that's okay.
Will777r
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Of course. A week's break never hurts anyone. :)
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Alright, well I'm still going to toss something in monday. Even if we're low on traffic right now, I need a deadline to keep writing. If only I hadn't majored in journalism...
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Haha. Go for it. :)
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I've got my next chapter ready if it's okay to submit on Monday.
Will777r
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You bet.
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Vacation + con = no writing done in a month.
I'm almost glad it's all over now. My next chapter is ready for tomorrow.
Now, I have some critiquing to do...
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I might have a chapter ready for tomorrow, depending on how writing goes today.
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Man, I wish I had the time on my hands to produce that fast :-\
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I'll throw my hat into the ring for this coming week, if it's not already too late.
Just to be clear, it's around 4000 words, right?
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Go for it, Caleb.
Yeah, 4000 words is the ballpark, though it's a pretty, ahem, flexible guideline. :) Generally people don't seem to mind getting more than that.
By the way, everyone, after tomorrow I'm going to be away until the 12th of July.
...So anything that goes wrong during that time span is Chaos's fault. :P
See you all when I get back!
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I plan to submit a chapter today. (After getting some sleep that is.)
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Some what?
You're in. And I'm out. Back in a week, folks.
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I've now been reminded by Silk that, hey, I actually need to do something!
So, hi. Sorry I've been away so much. Good to see so many new people!
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I should hopefully have another chapter ready for next week.
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I should have my next chapter done by monday. Act 2 is over!
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My next chapter (7!) is ready for the group.
35 to go :-)
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I'm back, and guessing by the lack of new messages in my inbox that nothing exploded while I was gone :P
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I'm jumping in early here, but I should have another chapter ready on Monday.
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Chapter 6 has been ready, but all heck broke loose this last week. If possible, I'd like to submit on Monday :)
Will777r
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Sure thing.
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How should we go about sending our critiques?
Sorry if this has been answered before, but I couldn't find anything about those two questions in this forum.
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Email it to [email protected], with READING EXCUSES in the subject line so we know it's not spam. Then just attach your document, and put up a discussion on the forum so we can critique it. We'll try to get around to critiquing your story on the forum.
Did that answer your question?
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Also, I've got a chapter for next monday.
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Well that answered my future question... are you a mind reader? :o
Anyways, I was actually wondering how critiques are submitted? For example I'm critiquing a story in this week's submissions and wondering how I go about sharing it with the writer?
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How should we go about sending our critiques?
Are you asking about sending the work to be critiqued? Or about sending the critique on someone else's work?
For the first, hubay's answer is essentially correct, with caveats. See the Welcome... post at http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=6850.0 for more details.
For the second, that's what the other threads are for -- the ones with date, username, and title. The comments on other people's works are supposed to be added to the appropriate discussion topic for that author and chapter (the dates help figure out which chapter was read when, for those like me that sometimes remember times better than names).
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sending the critique on someone else's work.
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sending the critique on someone else's work.
Then as I mentioned, the other topics are for that purpose. For example, last week had Akoebel, Hubay, and SkyhunterCommander post topics at:
http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=8387.0
http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=8388.0
http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=8391.0
This week, Will777r and I posted topics at
http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=8404.0
and
http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=8405.0
If you read some of the topics, or some of the older ones, you'll see how people offer a variety of critiques. You can also reply to those topics (with the reply button on those pages) to post your own. Also, the website keeps track of the posts you've read and haven't read, so once you read through some of them, if new replies are added, a blue <new> badge shows up next to the topic.
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Just so you know, everyone, I'm going to be without 'Net access again until sometime Monday.
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I'd like to send out my next chapter on Monday also if that's okay :)
Will777r
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Since nobody else has spoken up, I can send another chapter Monday as well.
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I should have a chapter ready for tomorrow as well.
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Since nobody else has spoken up, I can send another chapter Monday as well.
I just realized exactly how hectic and busy this next week will be, so I'm going to hold back and not submit anything for this week (or the next, probably). I like getting feedback, but it would drive me nuts to know there might be feedback waiting that I can't get to yet.
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How does one join the list? Do I give my email address here?
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I'll have another chapter ready to submit for the 8th if that's ok :)
Will777r
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@SirRobert
This works, but you should probably pm Silk just to make sure.
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The other advantage of PMing me is that every bot out there can't see your email address. =)
So, Will and Hubay for Monday?
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Thanks Silk for setting me up. I can jump in on Monday if there is room. Let me know.
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Gasp, I think I will submit on Monday.
It's been way too long since I've submitted. I know this because I have to look over the submission guidelines here--the guidelines that I wrote. Guh. Think the last time was 2009...
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You're good to go, Robert.
Four people for Monday so far then--Will, Hubay, Robert and some guy I've never heard of. :P
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Can I submit a short story of mine? My novel is still in first draft, and I don't want to receive critique for it until I'm finished, but meanwhile I'd like to show a short story I've written some time ago. :P
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Amnonian: Absolutely you can submit short stories. Might want to label it as such in your email, because I think people have a tendency to assume that people are sending out novel chapters and it's caused a little confusion in the past.
That's five, then. Busy week! But room for one more at least.
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My next chapter is ready - it was ready a few weeks ago, but my primary alpha reader decided to take a few weeks off, and I wanted her input, since it's an important chapter.
If 4500 more words to read this week is OK with everyone, I'll post tomorrow.
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I haven't received any submissions yet. Is my name not on the list?
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I haven't received any submissions yet. Is my name not on the list?
Hmm. Not sure why you didn't get any. Hopefully Silk/Chaos can provide an answer.
On a different note, I was able to receive your submission, but it was a docx file, and I don't have software that can read those currently.
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I have a couple of quick submission related questions.
First, I'd like to submit something this coming Monday. My combined prologue and first chapter comes out to 5,273 words. I'd like to submit them together, though that's slightly over the "standard" word amount. If I just submited the prologue it would be less than half that length. Is everyone ok if I submit them together?
Second, are content tags supposed to be for the work as a whole or just what's being submited now? Because what I'll be sending this Monday has no violence or language whatsoever, but there definitely will be some notable violence later in the story, and possibly some swearing as well, though most of that will probably be in the style of "fantasy swearing."
Thanks in advance.
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I will send it again this morning in doc format.
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[A]re content tags supposed to be for the work as a whole or just what's being submited now? Because what I'll be sending this Monday has no violence or language whatsoever, but there definitely will be some notable violence later in the story, and possibly some swearing as well, though most of that will probably be in the style of "fantasy swearing."
I assumed it was just the particular submission. That is what I did, last time, anyway.
Caleb
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I'm back from vacation now -- and about ready to start relaxing after all the prep/travel/catch-up work is done. I have another chapter to submit this Monday, assuming everyone's eyes have recovered by then.
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Yes, just for the particular submission. :)
And yes, go ahead and submit the whole thing, Matthew--we're pretty loose about that 4k word limit.
I'll put Matthew and Caleb down for Monday.
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I (finally) finished chapter nine and I'll have it ready for Monday.
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Yes, just for the particular submission. :)
And yes, go ahead and submit the whole thing, Matthew--we're pretty loose about that 4k word limit.
I'll put Matthew and Caleb down for Monday.
"Loose" is putting it lightly :P
I will submit Chapter Two of Rebirth on Monday.
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I also have something to submit on monday. I think my hiatus lasted long enough :)
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That's five so far. Room for one or two more, anyway.
Robert: I've just tried re-adding you. Let me know if it still doesn't work.
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My next chapter is also ready, if there's still time to get in for Monday.
Will777r
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I was wondering if I could maybe submit the piece I am working on at the moment? It is not finished and needs a little work.
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Will, Guen, you're on--but that's seven already, so I'd better cap it there. List's full 'til next week.
Edit: I'm not sure whether this will be too many people are not, so let me know what you guys think. If people are having a hard time keeping up, or not getting enough feedback, or whatever, I might cap it at five or six in the future.
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Thanks Silk I will look for it on Monday. If there is still room I have a chapter ready as well.
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I'm not sure whether this will be too many people are not, so let me know what you guys think. If people are having a hard time keeping up, or not getting enough feedback, or whatever, I might cap it at five or six in the future.
Personally, it was easier for me to keep up when there were only three or four. That may only be an artifact of my last two weeks, or it may be due to the way I review them and not a problem for other people. That said, I would encourage a slightly smaller limit, even if it means I can't get mine reviewed as often as I might like.
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Five may be a good number.
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Robert, I'm going to have to ask you to wait until next week--we have seven people submitting and I suspect that this will already be too many.
Caleb: Noted, thanks. I'll see what other people think after this week. And remember, if you're having trouble you don't necessarily have to critique everything that comes through each week, or do it right away.
Mostly I want to make sure that we keep things small enough that everybody gets some feedback.
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I'm glad we're getting so much traffic right now. I think I'm going to reserve a spot for a week from tomorrow.
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Caleb: Noted, thanks. I'll see what other people think after this week. And remember, if you're having trouble you don't necessarily have to critique everything that comes through each week, or do it right away.
I certainly haven't been getting to things right away.
I know I don't need to hit everything. Still, looking at and critiquing other people's stories is kind of like weight-lifting for that part of my brain. I'm working on the belief that practicing at critiques will allow me to do it better, probably more easily, and hopefully to my own work as well as other people's. For now, I'm stretching myself by looking at all of the submissions and evaluating them, at least a little. Then once I've read it and have some ideas for feedback, it would be a shame not to share it.
That said, I'll probably pare down my part at some point in the future, either in numbers or in depth. Hopefully I'll learn to get right to the biggest items I'd like to say, instead of being longwinded.
Hmm. Which is where this post is headed...
I'm glad we're getting so much traffic right now.
I agree with this also. Having too much traffic is a wonderful problem to have.
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I'll skip submitting this next week. I'm in no hurry, so may as well let others submit :P
I really like how many submissions we are getting, too.
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Didn't see your reply Silk and posted. I will send a notice to disregard or for those seeing this just disregard that chapter.
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I probably won't be able to submit further work on my book this coming monday. I've been away from home doing stuff with family most of the week so far and expect that to continue till sunday, so I haven't gotten much writing done. (So don't expect much in the way of critiques from me this week either, though I'll at least read what was sent out)
Anyways, I do have a short story I've already written that I'd be interested in submitting, if there is a spot for me.
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My next chapter should be ready by monday. If there are still slots available, I'm in!
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I'll be ready as well
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If there are still openings I'd like to submit too.
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I'll put all of you down for this week. Submissions for this Monday are now closed.
That's six--we'll try this and see how it goes. I suspect Chaos was onto something when he suggested a maximum of five people, but you guys can tell me what you think.