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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Elmandr on October 25, 2008, 08:22:32 PM
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SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!
For me it was The Final Empire. Though i didn't want to get all nostalgic about it...I find that there really is no other way to explain. Here goes.
I'm sure you all know what a relation ship is like on the first few months--new and exciting, filled with discovery and growing closer with your partner.
Thats how book one is. It is, in a lack of a better and less corny analogy, the beginning of my relationship with Mistborn. The magic system was new to me, the characters mysterious and unknown. The story unpredictable. They always say that there will be no one like your first...
ehm. Joke. I kid. I just wanted to see how far i could take it.
then i thought, perhaps i'm just the type who likes beginnings. Looking back to all the trilogies and series i read, i found that i reread the firsts more. That i read them for longer periods at a time. That i liked them more.
However, i will not let my vanity blind me, i know there must be other opinions. Thus, i ask, of the three, which do you find the most enjoyable?
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I like HOA the best. I think it's probably because I like worldbuilding so much, and this one had so much explanation of that in it. Having things explained was great for me, as it helped me understand how the world worked so much better.
And the fight scenes in the HOA were the most epic. As a fight choreographer, I'm biased in this regard, and love a good fight scene. Though Kel's fight with the Inquisitor is also an awesome one. When these get made into movies, I want to choreograph the fights... Please???
Also, this should be labeled as a Spoiler thread, because I wanted to go into specifics as to why I liked the last book best, but I didn't want it to put in spoilers where people weren't warned.
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I like HOA the best. I think it's probably because I like worldbuilding so much, and this one had so much explanation of that in it. Having things explained was great for me, as it helped me understand how the world worked so much better.
And the fight scenes in the HOA were the most epic. As a fight choreographer, I'm biased in this regard, and love a good fight scene. Though Kel's fight with the Inquisitor is also an awesome one. When these get made into movies, I want to choreograph the fights... Please???
Also, this should be labeled as a Spoiler thread, because I wanted to go into specifics as to why I liked the last book best, but I didn't want it to put in spoilers where people weren't warned.
Agreed, vins fight scene in HOA Vs the inquistors was beyond divine awesomeness...It surpassed every thinkable word--every existing word of praise! Let me create one for it....
Incredafantastuloustic!
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HOA took everything up several notches. Character growth, the magic, the fights. The types of issues faced. However, there is still a special place in my heart for the Final Empire. There was just a certain ambiance about it to the world, the characters, the writing that I really enjoyed. Kelsier, the Survivor. The stained-glass cathedrals. The thieving crews. It all came together and clicked for me.
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I love the entire trilogy, but I love Final Empire the most. I think this is because of the Lord Ruler, the untouchable villain. I just love active, powerful villains. It's for that reason why I love Hrannis in Elantris, and I think it applies for the Lord Ruler, too. It's a strange paradox, because in this case, an "active" villain was a rather apathetic guardian of the world.
MB3, too, had an epic conflict, but it's just not the same. Ruin was untouchable and powerful, but the Lord Ruler is a deeper villain as I've ever seen. He's atrocious out of his compassion--that's just cool.
And the other part of me loves Kelsier. 'Nuff said with that one.
Over the entire course of the series, though, I loved Elend the most. He really pulled the entire trilogy together for me. However, since this topic is about a single book, it has to be Final Empire.
My opinion on the matter could change as I reread the entire trilogy, though.
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I completely love the entire trilogy, but Final Empire probably sits as my favorite. This one was just more fun for me to read. Vin pretending to be nobility, Kelsier's crazy antics, espionage at the stuck up balls... and not to mention I think Luthendel (did I spell that right at all?) would have been completely awesome to explore as a newly snapped Mistborn pre-Fall of TLR. I think I enjoyed the settings more overall.
But basing it on battle scenes... The climactic battles with Vin at the end of the latter two books were nothing short of... well, awesome.
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Wow. A tie between the beginning and the end...WOA sits with zero votes. I wonder...
Everyone who voted, What was it about WOA that everybody seems ignore it. I mean, it was a longer read, and its hard to follow up the death of God--perhaps thats it. We approached the book remember the lord ruler's death and a siege is what we ran into...
Perhaps the shift from a climax to a stagnant, undetermined, new beginning was too much for us...
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I actually will chime in and lend my support to WoA as my favorite.
I think I liked it because of all three books, that one dealt most with politics and shady political dealings. I like reading about that stuff.
Plus, come on, Vin leaping through the air with a sword going to kill Straff? Pure awesomeness. Plus Zane is one of my favorite minor characters.
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I actually will chime in and lend my support to WoA as my favorite.
I think I liked it because of all three books, that one dealt most with politics and shady political dealings. I like reading about that stuff.
Plus, come on, Vin leaping through the air with a sword going to kill Straff? Pure awesomeness. Plus Zane is one of my favorite minor characters.
Yeah. As you all well know, Zane is by far my least favorite character. I did not like any moments of his screen time--he annoyed me. This is the primary reason why I didn't like Well of Ascension as much. While I too enjoy politics, it seemed to just move slowly.
I'm blaming it all on Zane.
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I have absolutely zero complaints about WOA. Minus the highlights, I think I enjoy it more than HOA. It was more character driven and the political aspect of it was handled smoothly so I was never bored.
Hmm... okay, I wasn't crazy about Zane, but I did have a lot of sympathy for him, especially after I learned what the Spike meant.
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Just to give my two cents on the reason the middle is lagging in votes, from my own limited experience of course. I think the reason is that book two in a trilogy is often hard to classify as a favorite because it is seen more as a means to an end, rather than it's own story. I think in this trilogy that isn't precisely the case, as WoA is a very good book on it's own, but with the beginning and the end also on the list, the middle part is going to be a bit less, well, dramatic, for lack of a better word. I mean, it had drama, it had suspense, and a resolution of sorts, which is a beginning for something else, but still, it was there. I'm not sure where I was going with this train of thought, my migraine medications have finally kicked in and I am a bit sleepy and muddled in my thoughts. I hope some of what I said made sense. ;)
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Just to give my two cents on the reason the middle is lagging in votes, from my own limited experience of course. I think the reason is that book two in a trilogy is often hard to classify as a favorite because it is seen more as a means to an end, rather than it's own story. I think in this trilogy that isn't precisely the case, as WoA is a very good book on it's own, but with the beginning and the end also on the list, the middle part is going to be a bit less, well, dramatic, for lack of a better word. I mean, it had drama, it had suspense, and a resolution of sorts, which is a beginning for something else, but still, it was there. I'm not sure where I was going with this train of thought, my migraine medications have finally kicked in and I am a bit sleepy and muddled in my thoughts. I hope some of what I said made sense. ;)
Made perfect sense. With only a few exceptions, the second part of a trilogy usually is less liked than the first and third for some reason. Maybe because it is just a middle piece, but who knows. Look at Empire Strikes Back, arguably the quintessential Star Wars movie, and it was the second one. WoA kinda felt like Empire Strikes Back to me. The ending was really dark with Ruin being released, it had the same vibe.
Of course I'm not fully comparing Mistborn to Star Wars, since I felt all of the Mistborn trilogy was epic and amazingly well done, while Star Wars kinda lost steam with Return of the Jedi.
:)
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Yeah, Vin's killing Straff was a very cool move... Yeah... 8)
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I really liked FE, but everything it was for me, HoA was more. FE was brilliantly creative and gripping, but to me it was palpably an early work of a young writer and I could see the rough edges. Something about the descriptions was unfinished; too much tell, not enough show, maybe? I found the writing to improve in large, quantum leaps as the series progressed, and HoA was as good as anything Robert Jordan ever wrote. WoA was, for me, slow; I didn't find the politics that exciting and the machinations seemed stretched (there, Jordan still has something on Brandon). And I agree with Dracula; Zane was not the Kelsier he was intended to be for Vin (apropos of that: Brandon said that Zane was written to represent the Kelsier way of life for Vin, in contast with Elend; does it seem to anyone else that this dichotomy was just slightly weakened by Elend's being made Mistborn anyway, in the end? Vin sort of got to have her cake and eat it too, there). So I rate them 3, 1, 2 in order of preference, but don't get me wrong: I read them all in one obsessive sitting each, so they all worked. For others, of course, what I found marginal they might find central.
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Just fyi, GoryCat, my actual username is Chaos2651, this is just my holiday name change. I like to be confusing that way.
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However, its just his name--names nowadays say little about a person...
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Just fyi, GoryCat, my actual username is Chaos2651, this is just my holiday name change. I like to be confusing that way.
Ah, thanks. I recognized your picture and your writing style, but was thrown off by the name. I'm new to posting but I've been reading a while longer.
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Just fyi, GoryCat, my actual username is Chaos2651, this is just my holiday name change. I like to be confusing that way.
Ah, thanks. I recognized your picture and your writing style, but was thrown off by the name. I'm new to posting but I've been reading a while longer.
your right, his writing style is a bit like a vampire sucking your blood through your neck...except its a little worse, i think.
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Elmandr, I think you mean that my writing still is just imbued with life force. It's vibrant! (Yay, the sub-text in those two sentences!)
I think one of the reasons why I didn't like Well of Ascension as much as Final Empire or Hero of Ages is because it did not really focus on the classical era of Scadriel (that is, Alendi/Kwaan/Rashek's time period). After that remarkable twist in FE, I wanted to know what the Lord Ruler's final words meant in the greatest detail. These questions about the mythology and the magic captivated me more than the notion of "what happens after the Dark Lord is defeated?" was. So, for what I wanted in the book, it definitely lagged until the koloss attacked. After that point, the book was extremely dynamic, but before that (with the exception of the scene where Vin and Zane attack the keep), it lagged a lot.
It all comes down to what you wanted with the book. Me, I wanted more of the mythology, so the ending of Well of Ascension was extremely satisfying in that regard. However, the first couple of sections in the book weren't the same sort of dynamic coolness that FE was. One of the reasons why I didn't like Zane was that he wasn't nearly as destructive as Kelsier could be. Zane seemed more like some homicidal emo than an actually cool character. Zane was remarkably well reigned-in compared with Kelsier. Zane was so conflicted, he was just "mysterious" and inactive. The character did not mesh with me at all. Knowing that he was controlled by Ruin does not make me pity him any more.
I wanted answers with mythology, you see, and Hero of Ages far surpasses Well of Ascension in that regard.
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Elmandr, I think you mean that my writing still is just imbued with life force. It's vibrant! (Yay, the sub-text in those two sentences!)
I think one of the reasons why I didn't like Well of Ascension as much as Final Empire or Hero of Ages is because it did not really focus on the classical era of Scadriel (that is, Alendi/Kwaan/Rashek's time period). After that remarkable twist in FE, I wanted to know what the Lord Ruler's final words meant in the greatest detail. These questions about the mythology and the magic captivated me more than the notion of "what happens after the Dark Lord is defeated?" was. So, for what I wanted in the book, it definitely lagged until the koloss attacked. After that point, the book was extremely dynamic, but before that (with the exception of the scene where Vin and Zane attack the keep), it lagged a lot.
It all comes down to what you wanted with the book. Me, I wanted more of the mythology, so the ending of Well of Ascension was extremely satisfying in that regard. However, the first couple of sections in the book weren't the same sort of dynamic coolness that FE was. One of the reasons why I didn't like Zane was that he wasn't nearly as destructive as Kelsier could be. Zane seemed more like some homicidal emo than an actually cool character. Zane was remarkably well reigned-in compared with Kelsier. Zane was so conflicted, he was just "mysterious" and inactive. The character did not mesh with me at all. Knowing that he was controlled by Ruin does not make me pity him any more.
I wanted answers with mythology, you see, and Hero of Ages far surpasses Well of Ascension in that regard.
While I can see where you're coming from, I'm going to have to disagree on one point. You said that WoA didn't really touch on the classical era of Scadriel (Alendi/Kwaan/Rashek), but I think it was doubly important for a few reasons.
1) Kwaan's metal script which made up the chapter bumps were incredibly insightful into the mind of the Terrisman at that time, as well as further explore Alendi's character. We already had Alendi's first person view from the journal in FE, but now we had an outside objective source from the man who knew him better than anyone. I always read these parts and really wanted to know more about Alendi's journey.
2) It sets up Ruin's influence and starts to show us his ability to manipulate that which is not cast in steel.
3) In a way, it influenced Sazed himself into following the same path as Kwaan did with believing someone was the HoA. Obviously, like Kwaan, he realizes something is amiss, but unlike Kwaan, is too late to stop it. I found this to be an incredible character development for Sazed, for it was after this that he finally lost faith. (obviously I'm biased, since Sazed is my favorite character, and I felt like his character's journey was incredibly paced and written :)).
As for Zane, I've found it's either a love him or leave him type situation. It is incredibly split down the middle for like/dislike of the character. I always just found him interesting. /shrug
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I agree with Chaos2651, Zane didn’t feel like a necessary character to me. Most of WoA he spent his time trying to manipulate Vin instead of being active and actually doing something. He was little more than a representation of Kelsier used to add tension to the story.
Admittedly, I’m not a compassionate person. Someone who cuts himself is—in my opinion—a moron, and that’s exactly how I think of Zane, as a moron.
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Ruin's inability to change what's written in metal is prolly due entirely to the fact that he can't see what's written on it.
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Elmandr, I think you mean that my writing still is just imbued with life force. It's vibrant! (Yay, the sub-text in those two sentences!)
I think one of the reasons why I didn't like Well of Ascension as much as Final Empire or Hero of Ages is because it did not really focus on the classical era of Scadriel (that is, Alendi/Kwaan/Rashek's time period). After that remarkable twist in FE, I wanted to know what the Lord Ruler's final words meant in the greatest detail. These questions about the mythology and the magic captivated me more than the notion of "what happens after the Dark Lord is defeated?" was. So, for what I wanted in the book, it definitely lagged until the koloss attacked. After that point, the book was extremely dynamic, but before that (with the exception of the scene where Vin and Zane attack the keep), it lagged a lot.
It all comes down to what you wanted with the book. Me, I wanted more of the mythology, so the ending of Well of Ascension was extremely satisfying in that regard. However, the first couple of sections in the book weren't the same sort of dynamic coolness that FE was. One of the reasons why I didn't like Zane was that he wasn't nearly as destructive as Kelsier could be. Zane seemed more like some homicidal emo than an actually cool character. Zane was remarkably well reigned-in compared with Kelsier. Zane was so conflicted, he was just "mysterious" and inactive. The character did not mesh with me at all. Knowing that he was controlled by Ruin does not make me pity him any more.
I wanted answers with mythology, you see, and Hero of Ages far surpasses Well of Ascension in that regard.
While I can see where you're coming from, I'm going to have to disagree on one point. You said that WoA didn't really touch on the classical era of Scadriel (Alendi/Kwaan/Rashek), but I think it was doubly important for a few reasons.
1) Kwaan's metal script which made up the chapter bumps were incredibly insightful into the mind of the Terrisman at that time, as well as further explore Alendi's character. We already had Alendi's first person view from the journal in FE, but now we had an outside objective source from the man who knew him better than anyone. I always read these parts and really wanted to know more about Alendi's journey.
2) It sets up Ruin's influence and starts to show us his ability to manipulate that which is not cast in steel.
3) In a way, it influenced Sazed himself into following the same path as Kwaan did with believing someone was the HoA. Obviously, like Kwaan, he realizes something is amiss, but unlike Kwaan, is too late to stop it. I found this to be an incredible character development for Sazed, for it was after this that he finally lost faith. (obviously I'm biased, since Sazed is my favorite character, and I felt like his character's journey was incredibly paced and written :)).
As for Zane, I've found it's either a love him or leave him type situation. It is incredibly split down the middle for like/dislike of the character. I always just found him interesting. /shrug
Yes there were some things that revealed themselves in WOA but i think what chaos is trying to say is that the focus was on the rebuilding and confliction of the now TLR-less world. He did mention that the very end gave him what he was looking for, however, it was a fairly long book--i can only imagine the exasperation he felt as he read through them...
For me though, i wasn't too interested in the specifics and the clarification of the prophecies and engine behind Scadriels deterioration. I was more interseted in how the characters would get through the impossible...again.
I remember, way back when i was reading FE, thinking "This is the craziest thing...their actually gonna do this...?" (something along those lines) and i remember reading the part where the crew met to discuss what exactly they were gonna do--it seemed so dire. However, when they finally managed to overthrow TLR, it didn't feel forced or...i don't know--like somebody was sitting in a chair saying "Okay, the stories gotta end now. The lord ruler dies, every thing is dandy, the end."
It was believable. And yet it still amazed me that they did it. I don't think its coming out clearly enough. Imagine how wierd it must feel to believe something that was supposedly impossible is done--now imagine how hard it it to believe it knowing its a fictional story....
See what i mean.
I'm not sure if i'm making any sense.
Really, each book surprised me in that sense, but book one had kelsier...'nough said.
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What I meant about WoA was that it did not provide answers to many setting situations. It explained the Deepness--which I was thankful for--but what I wanted was answers, not more questions. Of course, once I read HoA, I was thankful for WoA more (because the questions it posed were the perfect setup for HoA). However, I still liked WoA the least, because it lagged in the center there. I can only attribute a lot of this lag to Zane. In fact, I don't even like the name "Zane". Everything about him made me... not care.
Elend, on the other hand, is my favorite character throughout the trilogy. His character arc was handled very well in WoA. Well of Ascension is still a good book, I don't want to sound like I'm belittling it. I just thought... well, it's all Zane's fault I didn't like the book as much.
That being said, once I do a reread of the entire trilogy, I may change my mind, but I think it's unlikely. Final Empire is #1, Hero of Ages a close #2, and then Well of Ascension easily #3. I don't think that any amount of rereads will change that, because I remember my pure visceral reaction to finishing each book. Final Empire was the most powerful to me.
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Chaos brings up a good point. Approach the question with the prospective of how you liked each book as an individual--and not what it did for the trilogy as a whole...
If that were the question, than Fe would be the least significant--since defeating TLR was the primary problem in it, and such a negligible piece in the book...
If that were the question, I think we'd all agree that HOA is at the top of the list...
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Well, HoA was a fantastic conclusion to the trilogy. No denying that.
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Well, HoA was a fantastic conclusion to the trilogy. No denying that.
Agreed. :)
The Hat Monster is right, it is based on personal feelings towards the books. I just personally liked WoA. /shrug.
Not trying to change anyone's mind or anything lol. :D
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HoA was my favorite with Final Empire being an incredibly close second. I loved WoA too, but something about HoA clicked with me. I just couldn't put it down. The final battle between Vin and 13 Inquisitors, Elend and the Atium Mistings fighting for their lives and Vin empowering Elend in that fight. All the things revealed and left open. It just was all brilliant. The reason HoA most clicked with me was the ending and how Sazed paved the way for a a lot more potential for Mistborn universe.
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HoA was my favorite no doubt. but it didnt have my favorite scence from the trilogy. that forver will be kel fighting the inquisitor.
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It was a tough choice between TFE and HOA. In the end I picked HOA.
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HoA was my favorite no doubt. but it didnt have my favorite scence from the trilogy. that forver will be kel fighting the inquisitor.
Hah! That an awesome scene, no denying that, but Mist-wielding Vin vs the inquistors is by far the best in the trilogy.
Followed by Atium-burning Elend in the last stand. Then kelsier vs the inquistor.
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Personally, my favorite scenes are:
1. Kelsier's death scene. It seems like everyone falls in love with Kelsier, at least a little bit, and then he's just gone. It's a huge, dramatic affair, but it doesn't lose the sense of anguish and emptiness that a real death evokes.
2. Vin burning the mists. (Either vs. Inquisitors or The Lord Ruler.) Both of these passages are positively reeking of power, and come to show that Vin isn't just good, she's downright special. Twelve Inquisitors, Kredik Shaw, even The Lord Ruler himself are just teardrops in the ocean once Vin gets her business gloves on.
3. Straff gets cut in half. That sucker had it coming to him, big time.
4. Zane and Vin compete to stay above ground. Sweet, sweet, Allomancy, the physical metals at their finest. A few examples of good imagery here are them splashing through the fountain and Zane's little ballet twirl at the end.
5. House Venture throws a ball, take one. The Keep's majestic, Elend's witty and disheveled, and political intrigue abounds. Much fun, all in all.
(Secret Bonus Scene: "Well look, that hill is red. The evil force of doom oppressing us sure has style.)
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Just coming back after more than a week gone, and trying to catch up. It's hard.
Anyway, After much thought on the subject, I have to say Final Empire, with an EXTREMELY close second for HOA. WOA isn't even close.
Final Empire - I loved the characters in this one. The story type being so different really interested me.
Well of Ascension - I actually don't know why I don't like it. It fits in with books that I do like quite nicely, but something about it just rubbed me the wrong way.
Hero of Ages - Awesome story, but I think that because there was so much worldbuilding and story to finish, it lost just a tad character-wise. That's in the end why FE ends up winning for me.
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*Major spoilers*
K, just wanted to make sure in case people didn't take the thread name seriously...
So, I think my favorite might be FE -- but I'm not sure. I'll have to read them again. I loved it--with the crazy plan and the wonderfully romantic Elend/Vin scenes. *sigh*
WOA--I actually really liked. For me, it had the most surprising revelations (I saw a lot of them coming in HOA, for which I felt proud of myself). I for one LOVED Zane, and it surprises me that everyone hated him so much! He added such intrigue to the story. Of course I love Elend, but a large part of me was pulling for Zane. Maybe that means something is wrong with me. Luckily, I married an Elend kind of guy, so I'm ok ;).
HOA--This was fantastic and very fast paced, which I loved, but Vin and Elend die. It's so anti-climactic for me. They were supposed to rebuild the world and start a government and have a family (in my mind). It's so depressing to see them die -- even if they are in a Heaven-like place. The fact that we know their spirits live on made it MUCH better, but, still, this made the book/series much more depressing for me. I need to get over it because I loved the series. Any ideas on how to get over it? lol
Each book was great in its own way -- but HOA let me down at the end. So, I'd have to say it's a close one between FE & WOA, with FE maybe barely edging it out...
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*Major spoilers*
K, just wanted to make sure in case people didn't take the thread name seriously...
So, I think my favorite might be FE -- but I'm not sure. I'll have to read them again. I loved it--with the crazy plan and the wonderfully romantic Elend/Vin scenes. *sigh*
WOA--I actually really liked. For me, it had the most surprising revelations (I saw a lot of them coming in HOA, for which I felt proud of myself). I for one LOVED Zane, and it surprises me that everyone hated him so much! He added such intrigue to the story. Of course I love Elend, but a large part of me was pulling for Zane. Maybe that means something is wrong with me. Luckily, I married an Elend kind of guy, so I'm ok ;).
HOA--This was fantastic and very fast paced, which I loved, but Vin and Elend die. It's so anti-climactic for me. They were supposed to rebuild the world and start a government and have a family (in my mind). It's so depressing to see them die -- even if they are in a Heaven-like place. The fact that we know their spirits live on made it MUCH better, but, still, this made the book/series much more depressing for me. I need to get over it because I loved the series. Any ideas on how to get over it? lol
Each book was great in its own way -- but HOA let me down at the end. So, I'd have to say it's a close one between FE & WOA, with FE maybe barely edging it out...
I too loved Zane. He was by favorite minor character. He might have been my favorite--i just didn't feel like i'd read enough to say so.
Anyway. He's awesome. Chaos doesn't know what he's talking about.
Get over it?
hmm...
I don't think its possible, what you could do is reread it, or lend it out to someone to read it and after they have done so you could discuss it with them. You could begin writing a story...
Ohh, i know, ram your head on the wall hard. to the point where you can't remember your last name or anything beyond the pain you feel.
Than you can relive and re-experience the book in the same sense. (assuming you can still read)
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I for one LOVED Zane, and it surprises me that everyone hated him so much!
Actually, that is just me. No one else hates Zane with my kind of zeal.
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I liked Zane...
I voted for FE, but they were all really good in their own way. Kind of like different flavors of ice cream. Strawberry, then chocolate? Or chocolate, then strawberry? The world may never know.
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I liked Zane...
I voted for FE, but they were all really good in their own way. Kind of like different flavors of ice cream. Strawberry, then chocolate? Or chocolate, then strawberry? The world may never know.
Definitly Vanilla.
Anyway.
Morally speaking, i think Zane was better then Kelsier. They both lived really tough lives. Had unfair childhoods. And endured tragedies.
Kelsier kept smiling, but was still venegful to a fault. He hated nobles, he killed them without a second thought.
And he didn't even have a spike running through him...
Or did he?
Assuming he didn't, i am too afraid to wonder how much of a threat he would have been to the nobles if he infact did have a spike.
That would be bad. Elend would be dead.
Zane on the other hand, still had morals, he still loved--or tried.
He wouldn't kill his father--who he knew was a crooked snake--for the simple reason that he was his father. People shouldn't kill their fathers...
Zane was probably a better person then all of us...
Poor, poor Zane.
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I really liked Final Empire, I think because of the "newness", the originality of allomancy as magic, the imagery of the red-and-ash world. It was just a really fun read.
I loved WoA, because it reminds us that just because you get rid of the bad guy doesn't mean all the troubles are over. I love how even though it's fantasy, what happens in the book is so real. The head bad guy falls, everyone and their dog makes a play for all the power, the general population suffers and starts thinking that maybe it wasn't so bad before becasue it's worse now. Most countries are like that after a war or revolution. BS really knows his history when it comes to these things.
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(Secret Bonus Scene: "Well look, that hill is red. The evil force of doom oppressing us sure has style.)
Haha! I LOVED that part! I busted up laughing and my roommates were looking at me all weird. So I read it to them. They got a kick out of it too. Breeze rocks my world. I was so glad his humor was back.
For me, that's why WoA isn't as good as the others. It's the whole development of the characters--which is really cool that they change, but they lost the humor that Kell emphasized so much. I also loved the fights scenes and the plot and everything about FE and HoA. But I did enjoy the political intrigue that made of WoA. Just not as much.
It's the sheer awesome-ness of the plot and the action, and the semi-reverting back to the old humor that makes HoA my favorite. Plus, I loved the development of Spook's character. He was always the odd one out before, because he was part of the crew, but he was always in the background. In this, he proved his worth to the crew, oddly enough with the help of Ruin.
And I loved his fight with the Thugs where he got stabbed. It astounded me what he could do JUST from Tin. The whole change of the wind, so he knew a sword was coming at him, and he could feel the vibrations in the ground, so he knew where the person was standing, and that someone was attacking him from behind. I was like "WOW!" It's probably one of my favorite scenes. After Kell's Inquistor fight and Elend's Atium burning/Vin's Godly help when he's fighting Marsh.
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I liked Zane...
I voted for FE, but they were all really good in their own way. Kind of like different flavors of ice cream. Strawberry, then chocolate? Or chocolate, then strawberry? The world may never know.
Definitly Vanilla.
Anyway.
Morally speaking, i think Zane was better then Kelsier. They both lived really tough lives. Had unfair childhoods. And endured tragedies.
Kelsier kept smiling, but was still venegful to a fault. He hated nobles, he killed them without a second thought.
And he didn't even have a spike running through him...
Or did he?
Assuming he didn't, i am too afraid to wonder how much of a threat he would have been to the nobles if he infact did have a spike.
That would be bad. Elend would be dead.
Zane on the other hand, still had morals, he still loved--or tried.
He wouldn't kill his father--who he knew was a crooked snake--for the simple reason that he was his father. People shouldn't kill their fathers...
Zane was probably a better person then all of us...
Poor, poor Zane.
Meh. Kelsier was at least dynamic and interesting. Zane had a voice telling him to kill people, and he hardly ever followed through. Instead, it turns into a bunch of angst.
Maybe on my readthrough of the Mistborn Trilogy I will think differently about him, but I doubt it.
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for me it was hard to deside because i liked them all so much but i guess, it was hero of ages because of the way political intrige turned to out right warfare sure FE and WOA had fighting but HOA there was hardly a chapter without some form of fighting