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Wow.
Are we finally seeing Hemalurgical abilities or Feruchemical abilities fused with Allomancy?
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Holy crap. Wow! I never stop saying "wow" with these sample chapters. Yeah, I will love this book.
Honestly, when Vin appeared... I was laughing like a giddy schoolboy it was so awesome.
And then an Inquisitor battle? Heck yes!
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Phew...
I'm pumped.
There are so many interestingly awesome things in this. Let's see, where to begin?
Firstly, Rashek is the guy who is writing the epigraphs. Talking about anyone else at this point seems... silly.
Okay, Elend is awesome. Vin with Elend? Even better! Obviously, Elend's Allomancy is incredibly powerful because its "pure" Allomancy from the 15th metal. Vin actually compares his duralumin + zinc strength with the Lord Ruler's power. Now that's saying something!
I would assume that the thing that is controlling the koloss was Ruin, more or less than we already anticipated. He's certainly controlling lots of them, that's for sure.
As for the super-speed... I have no idea. Whether it's Feruchemy or Hemalurgy makes a big difference there. I'm gonna vote Hemalurgy on that one.
"The first of those armies I promised you." ...So awesome.
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Holy crap. Wow! I never stop saying "wow" with these sample chapters. Yeah, I will love this book.
Honestly, when Vin appeared... I was laughing like a giddy schoolboy it was so awesome.
And then an Inquisitor battle? Heck yes!
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Phew...
I'm pumped.
There are so many interestingly awesome things in this. Let's see, where to begin?
Firstly, Rashek is the guy who is writing the epigraphs. Talking about anyone else at this point seems... silly.
Okay, Elend is awesome. Vin with Elend? Even better! Obviously, Elend's Allomancy is incredibly powerful because its "pure" Allomancy from the 15th metal. Vin actually compares his duralumin + zinc strength with the Lord Ruler's power. Now that's saying something!
I would assume that the thing that is controlling the koloss was Ruin, more or less than we already anticipated. He's certainly controlling lots of them, that's for sure.
As for the super-speed... I have no idea. Whether it's Feruchemy or Hemalurgy makes a big difference there. I'm gonna vote Hemalurgy on that one.
"The first of those armies I promised you." ...So awesome.
Actually, I don't think Ruin controlled those Koloss. It may have controlled the inquisitor who controlled said Koloss, though. When the inquisitor died, Elend was finally able to take control of them all--so I'd assume that was it--especially since Vin mentioned that forcing control over some of the Koloss was just a way to make the Inquis reveal itself.
Hemalurgy...I really wonder whats behind all of this. That flash of speed was crazy sick on the inquisitors part. Oh man.
And Elend's alomancy...oof so freaking good! I CAN'T WAIT!!!
It's nearly two weeks!!! raar
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What an excellent read. I'm even more pumped up now. ;)
The Inquisitor seemingly tapping into the Speed Force, Elend's uber Allomancy skills, Vin's rampage. Oohhh, goosebumps of anticipation! ;D
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Cool chapter.
Though I wonder if I am the onlyone who is a little disappointed that Elend is so much stronger than Vin. Kinda makes her a little reduntant now that the thing that made her unique (her mistborn nature&great strength) is no longer that.
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But Vin is still far more skilled than Elend. That counts :P
Also I really liked the part with Electrum as "poor man's atium". That was great.
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-raises hand-
I totally called Elend being stronger than Vin!
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Now we see why the Inquisitors took the Terris Keepers. That Inquisitor used a combination of Pewter and Feruchemical speed. Obviously, he didn't have a lot stored, or he would probably have stayed super fast long enough to ram the spike into Elend. This also lays credence that Hemalurgy gives abilities of the one sacrificed. This is how they got their Allomancy, and now they are getting Feruchemy as well. The Inq's aren't playing around now, that's for sure. Theory time: Why would the Inq want to ram a spike into Elend instead of just killing him another way? Me thinks he was trying to impale him with a spike that would allow Ruin to take over his mind. Yet another thing to worry about.
I don't think Elend being stronger than Vin makes her less of a character. Raw strength isn't everything. I bet she still whoops him when they spar.
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Now we see why the Inquisitors took the Terris Keepers. That Inquisitor used a combination of Pewter and Feruchemical speed. Obviously, he didn't have a lot stored, or he would probably have stayed super fast long enough to ram the spike into Elend. This also lays credence that Hemalurgy gives abilities of the one sacrificed. This is how they got their Allomancy, and now they are getting Feruchemy as well. The Inq's aren't playing around now, that's for sure. Theory time: Why would the Inq want to ram a spike into Elend instead of just killing him another way? Me thinks he was trying to impale him with a spike that would allow Ruin to take over his mind. Yet another thing to worry about.
I don't think Elend being stronger than Vin makes her less of a character. Raw strength isn't everything. I bet she still whoops him when they spar.
Wow, that is an interesting theory. They, like you said, could also get stronger the more people they sacrifice...that's actually really freaking frightening. "Hemalurgy was a messy art."
When Vin ripped off its robe and the steel plate was covering the spike, I literally had chills ripping my body into pieces. I could see that smirk that was on the inquisitors face.
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I totally called Elend being stronger than Vin!
Allomantically, sure. Skills, not really. Also, you have to remember that Vin is able to pull in the mists, and it's also possible that she's got Hemalurgy. He did seem so lord ruler-ey ( ;D that's right, I went there) with his powers. Him and Vin are def. gonna make one crazy baby. :o
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Not to mention the fact that it started with, "Elend Venture, the second emperor of the Final Empire." :D
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Same empire, different emperor :)
Also I think he used feruchemy
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Holy crap. Wow! I never stop saying "wow" with these sample chapters. Yeah, I will love this book.
Honestly, when Vin appeared... I was laughing like a giddy schoolboy it was so awesome.
I think this was my reaction the entire time I was reading it. So freaking awesome!!! Just fabulous... It's really probably a good thing that I was in a room by myself when I read it, because I was acting really silly. ;D ;D ;D
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OK, that was just awesome.
I'm glad to see Elend has stayed true to his core; chapter one had me wondering. His actions with the townspeople probably saved as many of them as possible in the circumstances. Without his leadership and Allomancy, they would have all died. He was trying to take control of the Koloss, but because an inquisitor was controlling them, it took special circumstances to take control, and having the townpeople fight was crucial to getting the upper hand.
His actions seemed rash, but now that we get a feel for the kind of enemy that they are fighting, it was clearly the best he could do in difficult circumstances.
I agree that Elend has stronger Allomancy, but Vin has better training and control. At the moment that means they complement each other, because as Kelsier said, Allomancy is nothing but tricks. Timing is still critically important and Vin's fighting has an elegance that Elend still lacks.
Incidentally, I think it is safe to say that Ruin is controlling the Koloss, but it is doing it via the Inquisitors. When the Inquisitor died, Elend was able to take over. But man was that close. And yeah, it seriously looked like the Inquisitor was using Feruchemy. Man, but that is a scary thought.
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I'm a little worried about the Inquisitor's super speed. This is a power we haven't seen Inquisitors exhibit before, although there have been several scenes (pretty much all the fight scenes) in which it would have been useful for them. Thus I suspect that this super speed is something new, something they didn't have in TLR's time.
The super speed sounds like the Feruchemical speed that Sazed stored and used against Marsh. It could be that the Inquisitors have learned how to acquire Feruchemy, probably through those nasty sacrifices of Keepers. If so, I wonder why they never tried this before - TLR forbade it, not wanting them to mix the powers? Or they didn't know there were any Keepers left? (This possibility is diminished by the fact that they encountered Sazed's special powers pretty early in MB1.) Or they couldn't find any Keepers to sacrifice? (In that case, what allowed them to find them now?) Whatever the reason, if the Inquisitors have only recently been able to acquire Feruchemy, then there must be a non-Feruchemical explanation for their ability to heal rapidly, which they've been doing all along.
The other option I can think of is that super speed is some intrinsic characteristic of Hemalurgy - but again, if that's the case, why haven't they been using it in the first two books? Anyone have a good explanation for this?
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I think you explained it yourself. We see a Keeper being sacrificed to create a new Inquisitor, then two chapters later we see an Inquisitor (who Vin has never seen before) with a limited burst of super speed. I am sure TLR forbade the use of Keepers as sacrifices, just as he forbade them from protecting their death spike. It will be interesting to see if an Allomancer with enough strength could take control of an Inquisitor through soothing. That could have been why TLR kept them so close. He made sure to limit any other influences but his own.
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I just finished the chapters and i have that feeling like i just stepped off a roller coaster. Im dizzy and slightly nauseous but i want to go again and again. My question is was the Inquisitor going after Elend just because it had the chance right there and then or has Ruin ordered the inquisitors to get control of him.
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I think you explained it yourself. We see a Keeper being sacrificed to create a new Inquisitor, then two chapters later we see an Inquisitor (who Vin has never seen before) with a limited burst of super speed. I am sure TLR forbade the use of Keepers as sacrifices, just as he forbade them from protecting their death spike. It will be interesting to see if an Allomancer with enough strength could take control of an Inquisitor through soothing. That could have been why TLR kept them so close. He made sure to limit any other influences but his own.
OK, but then how did they get their rapid healing before? To me, that was the main advantage to the theory of Hemalurgy giving other powers - between Allomancy and Feruchemy, all the Inquisitors' powers could be explained.
Anyway, TLR didn't keep the Inquisitors close to him all the time. Only about half of them were in Luthadel at any given time.
On another note, I'm with those who are a little disappointed in Elend's extra-strong Allomancy. It seems like a cliche in series like this - someone comes along who's really powerful in the magic, more powerful than anyone in recent memory. Then in the next book another character comes along who's even stronger or who discovers new ways to use the magic, then pretty soon it turns out there's some more characters who are even stronger/more skilled. The Kelsier -> Vin -> Elend progression reminds me of Moiraine/Siuan ->Egwene/Elayne -> Nynaeve -> those super-strong Sea Folk girls and damane and Kin. It bugs me. Surely there would have been enough good stories to write about Allomancy even if the characters didn't keep getting radically better at it and finding new metals all the time. And it seems like you could write compelling characters who aren't the absolute best or strongest the world has ever known.
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I always thought the majority of them stayed in Luthadel. At the end of book 1, I thought Marsh said there were only a few not in Luthadel, as Marsh was now the head of the Steel Ministry by default. They could be able to use pewter much more effectively than an Allomancer, as it appears Hemallurgy is more closely related to the body's energies than Allomancy. To heal quickly from Feruchemy they would have needed health stored all the time, which meant they would need to spend a lot of time sick and weak. It is possible, of course, but I still want to believe Hemalurgy has some differences to Allomancy and Feruchemy other than how to get the abilities.
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I still want to believe Hemalurgy has some differences to Allomancy and Feruchemy other than how to get the abilities.
So do I. But I thought you were arguing that the Inquisitor's super speed was Feruchemical, from the Keeper sacrificed in the prologue?
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I am. What I want to believe is that the healing process is not from Feruchemy, but a benefit from Hemalurgy that doesn't involve the other two magics.
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OK, I think I understand what you're arguing and I suppose it's possible, but it seems needlessly complicated for Hemalurgy to have some qualities all its own, some Allomantic qualities endowed through Allomancer sacrifices, and some Feruchemical qualities endowed through Feruchemist sacrifices. Why not either give Hemalurgy all its own powers (which may be similar to some Allomantic or Feruchemical powers) or else make it entirely method for endowing the other powers?
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Firstly, WOW. I'm so excited for this book.
Secondly, Reaves, it is most definitely Rashek. Any contentions on this point? If not, I'm looking for pictures for Reaves to wear. You guys can help if you want. ;D
And now for my main points. Firstly, I agree with darx that Ruin was trying to control Elend with the spike. I'm also slightly annoyed that Elend is that much more powerful than Vin, but she's still more skilled, so that kind of makes up for it.
On the hemalurgy note: It's possible that Inquisitors still get the speed from feruchemy and have also previously gotten the healing from there. My guess is it would take one feruchemist per feruchemial ability. Before, they didn't have enough keepers to spare another one for a new ability. Now they do.
With this chapter, I think there is a definite connection between hemalurgy and feruchemy. For allomancy, I still really want to believe that the inquisitors just ate Elend's metal, but that also doesn't make sense because they are apparently weaker than him. So, at this point, against all of my hopes, I'm going to have to start supporting the misting-per-spike theory. Unless you can think of a way to rescue our theory, Chaos? I can't.
I'm not really able to form coherent thoughts at the moment. I'm too excited. I'll try again in a few hours when I've calmed down a bit...
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I wouldn't count the bet settled quite so quickly.
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Well then everyone just start looking for pictures. That way it'll still be amusing no matter who has to wear it.
Alright Ookla, fine. I still think I'm right, but that comment makes me very nervous.
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Oh... Brandon's blog says this is the final sample chapter. Hummm...
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Yeah, I was just figuring on having to wait until MB3. That's ok though, gives me lots of time to find a good pic.
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SarahG - I understand your concern with Allomancers getting progressively stronger, but at least here it's not coming out of thin air. TenSoon says that the Allomancers of old were far stronger than they are now, so it makes sense that Elend's Allomancy would be incredibly powerful.
Andrew - With this sample chapter, I now claim to have no real knowledge about Hemalurgy. At this point, I'm content to wait to see what the answer with that is.
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Random thought I'm throwing out, not agreeing with it one way or the other.
It seems all too obvious that the new "blurbs" are written by Rashek, but like I said, it's too obvious.
What if it is a journal entry of one of the main characters, Vin or Elend or Sazed, in the future, at the end of their lives?
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Chaos- She gave the example of it being too much like WoT and in WoT people talk about how powerful Aes Sedai used to be as well. So I don't think your logic is going to convince her. In the case of WoT, I kind of liked it that the main characters weren't the most powerful anymore. It gives them more obstacles to overcome, probably why so many books do the whole adding-powerful-people game. To create more conflict.
Besides, who cares whether Brandon explains why Elend gained so much power. Explaining doesn't change the fact that he still used that plot device.
And to say how I feel about this: I also felt kind of disappointed that Elend was more powerful, but I think it's because I like Vin more than him rather than it being because I don't like characters obtaining more powers. And as we get into the book, I'm sure we'll become more tolerant of Elend's power level-up.
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It was Ookla's post that triggered my saying this, but doesn't the tone of the bumps seem to be a bit off for it to be Rashek? I mean, the person is talking about not using the power, about being careful and cautious and studying it before doing anything drastic. If TLR felt that way about the power, then how on Earth did the Mistborn world end up the mess it is was in for 1000 years, which just seems to be getting worse?
Clearly it is going to be explained. I'm just saying that in my mind it raises more questions than it answers.
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Yes, jjb, that's exactly what I was thinking. And while it definitely helps to have a logical reason for Elend to be stronger (I don't remember there being a similar explanation in WoT, I mean it's not like Nynaeve and the other strong Aes Sedai are actually FROM the Age of Legends as far as we know), I still get annoyed with the plot device. Especially when EUOL talks so much about breaking the cliches, I wish he would break the ones that annoy me rather than the ones that don't.
I think the reason I don't like this plot device is because it makes the magic less predictable for the readers - we think we understand its rules and limits, then the author says, "You don't know as much as you think you do, here's a character who can break those rules, there's always another secret, neener neener neener."
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Yes, jjb, that's exactly what I was thinking. And while it definitely helps to have a logical reason for Elend to be stronger (I don't remember there being a similar explanation in WoT, I mean it's not like Nynaeve and the other strong Aes Sedai are actually FROM the Age of Legends as far as we know), I still get annoyed with the plot device. Especially when EUOL talks so much about breaking the cliches, I wish he would break the ones that annoy me rather than the ones that don't.
I think the reason I don't like this plot device is because it makes the magic less predictable for the readers - we think we understand its rules and limits, then the author says, "You don't know as much as you think you do, here's a character who can break those rules, there's always another secret, neener neener neener."
Except in this case, it isn't breaking the rules. We already knew that the closer you were to a "noble" line, the stronger your Allomancy would be likely to be. We already knew that it had gotten diluted over the years. We also knew that it had come from somewhere. In WoT, they seem to be pulling extra strength out of a hat, but here the logic is set up very cleanly.
Frankly, the only way you could complain about an Allomancer being too strong is if they were to be stronger than TLR. Good luck.
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OK, you're right, I guess I was just letting my dislike of that cliche in other books spill over to this series and color my perception of it. I guess EUOL has a right to make Elend stronger if he wants; he did set us up for it; I just wish he could have made the story work another way.
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I wouldn't worry about it so much, Sarah. You'll see. :)
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Yes, jjb, that's exactly what I was thinking. And while it definitely helps to have a logical reason for Elend to be stronger (I don't remember there being a similar explanation in WoT, I mean it's not like Nynaeve and the other strong Aes Sedai are actually FROM the Age of Legends as far as we know), I still get annoyed with the plot device. Especially when EUOL talks so much about breaking the cliches, I wish he would break the ones that annoy me rather than the ones that don't.
I think the reason I don't like this plot device is because it makes the magic less predictable for the readers - we think we understand its rules and limits, then the author says, "You don't know as much as you think you do, here's a character who can break those rules, there's always another secret, neener neener neener."
Except in this case, it isn't breaking the rules. We already knew that the closer you were to a "noble" line, the stronger your Allomancy would be likely to be. We already knew that it had gotten diluted over the years. We also knew that it had come from somewhere. In WoT, they seem to be pulling extra strength out of a hat, but here the logic is set up very cleanly.
Frankly, the only way you could complain about an Allomancer being too strong is if they were to be stronger than TLR. Good luck.
I see your guys point here but in WoT I always thought it was because of the blood of Manetheren that Nynaeve and Egwene are so strong. However, after reading Ookla's post it makes me believe that in the end Vin will the more powerful of the two. Then again he could just be saying that.
As far as the epigraphs go, as soon as I read it I had the distinct impression it was written by Elend.
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Sarah isn't very interested by plots that depend on power levels, right?
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Right. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say I'm not very interested in characters whose chief point of interest is that they're the most powerful ever, thus requiring any new focal characters to have even greater power.
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Then you won't be disappointed by this book.
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The epigraphs do sound rather scholarly, don't they? I am sticking with Rashek myself, but it could be Sazed for all we know.
As for power, technically someone could be come as powerful as Rashek if they were a Feruchemist who was also a first generation Allomancer and a Hemalurgist at the same time. Of course, since Vin beat him by drawing upon the mists, her power level is open-ended. I don't know if any other allomancers can do this, but I get the feeling she is different somehow. There is one question I want answered, though. Was Kelsier as strong as Vin? She had the Bronze advantage due to her earring, but what about the other metals? We may never know, I guess.
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Thanks, Ookla, that's good to know. (Not that I really expected to be disappointed; I just thought I might be annoyed with that one aspect - just as, in the first couple books, I was annoyed at Spook's illogical speech even though I loved the books as a whole.)
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Hey guys, new poster here.....I had a thought, maybe this has been discussed somewhere else is there anything stopping Vin from taking the 15th metal? Would that in turn make her as strong as Elend, or would that not have any effect, given that she already has Allomancy? Was there even more of it in the cave?
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The thing that worries me is that Vin will be diminished or play less of an important role in book 3. Vin was the character that was introduced in book1 as a scrawny kid and we have seen her grow into the character she is today. Because we have read so much more about her than Elend and since we saw her from the very beginning, I am more "attached" to her and have come to like her more than any of the other characters (including Elend).
However the one thing that has made Vin special from the beginning was the fact that she was such a powerfull and skilled at allomancy. She has done some other things but it cannot be denied that other characters were generally better at those things. Sazed is a brilliant researcher, Elend has far more political ability and so on. The one thing that made Vin irreplacable to the team was the fact that she was a mistborn.
Now however with Elend (and possibly others if they ate the metal) being so much more powerfull, I fear that Vin's role is being diminished. She is not unique anymore but simply one among many others. And since I like reading about Vin, I worry that this means that she will not play as big of a role in book3, now that what she can do can also be done by the others.
I suppose there is the whole burning mists thing, but she did it only once so for all we know it could have been a fluke. Or perhaps Elend can do it too (and better at that since he has more strength).
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Maybe it was Elend's beard that made him so strong. Hes got some kind of Samson hair strength going on.
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As far as we saw in the book, the underground chamber only had that one bead of the metal that Elend swallowed.
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The thing that worries me is that Vin will be diminished or play less of an important role in book 3. Vin was the character that was introduced in book1 as a scrawny kid and we have seen her grow into the character she is today. Because we have read so much more about her than Elend and since we saw her from the very beginning, I am more "attached" to her and have come to like her more than any of the other characters (including Elend).
However the one thing that has made Vin special from the beginning was the fact that she was such a powerfull and skilled at allomancy. She has done some other things but it cannot be denied that other characters were generally better at those things. Sazed is a brilliant researcher, Elend has far more political ability and so on. The one thing that made Vin irreplacable to the team was the fact that she was a mistborn.
Now however with Elend (and possibly others if they ate the metal) being so much more powerfull, I fear that Vin's role is being diminished. She is not unique anymore but simply one among many others. And since I like reading about Vin, I worry that this means that she will not play as big of a role in book3, now that what she can do can also be done by the others.
I suppose there is the whole burning mists thing, but she did it only once so for all we know it could have been a fluke. Or perhaps Elend can do it too (and better at that since he has more strength).
I don't see her becoming diminished in this last book. Take, for example again, WoT, Rand is without a doubt the most powerful character but Matt still plays a huge role because of his personality and his own abilities. The same would go for Vin. If, and I mean IF, she is lower on the power scale than Elend she still is....well....Vin. Take this last chapter how she yells as she attacks the Koloss, which is awesome by the way, or the way when the inq cuts her she growls at him, awesome again. All five feet of her just a lovely ballet of death and defiance. That is why I do not fear her taking a back seat to anyone.
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HOLY COW!!!!!
The epigraphs are Rashek, notice how he said it would take a millenia to learn to use the power, the final empire lasted one thousand years, until the next soming of the power, not a coincidence.
Vin is still awesome, Elend has more strength, but vin still does way more damage to all the koloss than elend did because of her super skills (which she learned crazily fast)
They have access to more keepers than they did back then, because the Synod came out into the open.
Vin is more powerful than Kelsier, he had trouble with eight (?) haze killers, in book two, Vin deals with many.
Those are some answers that I came up with for some questions in the thread. I also don't like Elend being more powerful than Vin, I think that Spook's little bit about continually flaring metals is going to come into play, perhaps that's how the Lord Ruler got so powerful.
Question: Where are the inquisitors getting all the skaa mistings, with which to fuel so many new inquisitors, we know they still have allomancy, but where do they get it.
Do they still have to be seekers first?
Man I can hardly wait, I hope there;s a fight scene, with Vin, Elend, and TenSoon working together that would be sweet (since he's obvious going against his contract anyways).
The way the chapter is set up makes it seem like Vin and Elend have done this a couple times before, with the inquisitor killing and all.
So, I'm liking the misting/feruchemist per spike theory more and more (who started that by the way), I never did like the lightning rod one, sorry. But I also agree, we really know very little about hemalurgy.
And also I'm rereading the previous books, and I'm liking the two wells theory very much.
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Maybe it was Elend's beard that made him so strong. Hes got some kind of Samson hair strength going on.
What a great theory! I don't think Miyabi will like it, though.
Question: Where are the inquisitors getting all the skaa mistings, with which to fuel so many new inquisitors, we know they still have allomancy, but where do they get it.
Do they still have to be seekers first?
It hasn't yet been established beyond doubt that they need skaa mistings, or that they have to be seekers.
I hope there;s a fight scene, with Vin, Elend, and TenSoon working together that would be sweet (since he's obvious going against his contract anyways).
I don't think TenSoon is the kind of guy who would say, "Well, I blew it once, might as well go all the way." He still believes very strongly in the contract; it still takes a very special reason for him to break it. Besides, I don't think the other kandra will let him get away very soon. So I doubt we'll see him in a fight scene. I'm not sure he'd be such an amazing warrior anyway - his skills tend in other directions.
The way the chapter is set up makes it seem like Vin and Elend have done this a couple times before, with the inquisitor killing and all.
Vin is surprised by the Inquisitor's back shield, though - so they must not have encountered one with a shield before. I do agree that they've probably fought koloss together before.
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Tensoon already broke his Contract when he helped Vin against Zane. He also broke the rules of his Race by telling Vin of their weakness, so if he does somehow talk his way out of his sentence, I doubt he'll stay with the Kandra anymore.
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I think he still believes in the contract, though. He seems like the type that, even if he escapes or is released somehow, would still hold to the contract, even though everyone else considers him a traitor/oathbreaker.
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I guess I just don't understand the fascination with Elend's strength compared to Vin's. Vin's strength has been noted but was never important through the books. She killed the Lord Ruler by drawing on the power of the mists, she killed Zane because she figured out how to counteract Atium, she commanded the Koloss because she figured out a secret that had been dormant for 1000 years, she figured out duralumin because she had the guts to put her life on the line every time a new mix needed testing. Any Mistborn could have burned the 11th metal, but would they figure out that The Lord Ruler was Rashek and then that he had metalminds on his arms, while struggling to stay alive? When the Inquisitor was about to kill Elend, who's strength saved his life?
She is a street smart bad arse because she grew up having to protect herself, instead of living a lifestyle of the rich and famous most Mistborn and Inquisitors enjoyed. Her physical strength pales in comparison to her inner strength, which is what you usually read the books for.
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I think there will be no more contracts. I think Tensoon is going to help at least some of the Kandra realize that there are some humans who are not so bad. More importantly, he will bring to light the dangers of Ruin. Either that, or news that Inquisitors are controlling Koloss, or even Kandra, will come in and the Kandra will be forced to join the fight with the good guys.
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Here's a monkey wrench in the Mistings-required-for-Inquisitors theory: how do inquisitors burn Atium? Are there Atium mistings, or are they nailing (ha ha) mistborn for that? If so, then where are they getting their mistborn from?
(edited for spelling)
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I give up. I'll just wait two weeks and read it myself. Then bombard Brandon with Questions when he does come back to the boards.
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I'm firmly befuddled with Hemalurgy. I, too, am content to wait. That's why you don't see me posting much.
Fourteen days, people.
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I'm a little confused about how much time has passed since the end of book two any one have a close guess.
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I'm looking forward to being around from the start of whatever he does next (I'm hoping Way of Kings). Then I can have theories that actually have had more than 5 months or so to develop.
And seriously, Chaos, I don't know how much longer we'll all last before this thread deteriorates into a bunch of mindless excitement. I'll probably have to stop posting the last week before just as a courtesy to everyone else.
I'm a little confused about how much time has passed since the end of book two any one have a close guess.
A year. I know that's the unit of time, but I can't remember at all where I heard it. If anyone wants to remember where this info is, they can post it. But I'm almost positive it's a year.
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Sanderson probably mentioned it in the annotations. Also it was the same amount of time between books one and two. Book one was about a year long and iirc book two was as well.
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I'm looking forward to being around from the start of whatever he does next (I'm hoping Way of Kings). Then I can have theories that actually have had more than 5 months or so to develop.
And seriously, Chaos, I don't know how much longer we'll all last before this thread deteriorates into a bunch of mindless excitement. I'll probably have to stop posting the last week before just as a courtesy to everyone else.
I'm a little confused about how much time has passed since the end of book two any one have a close guess.
A year. I know that's the unit of time, but I can't remember at all where I heard it. If anyone wants to remember where this info is, they can post it. But I'm almost positive it's a year.
Actually, Andrew, I believe the Countdown thread will devolve into that. Once it gets to like T-2 days, every comment will be something like:
Tehehehehehehehehehhe!!!!! MB3 FTW!
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Yeah, for some reason, I seemed to be under the impression I was in that thread. That's why the comment was directed at you, as you started that topic.
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Way to keep it straight, man. I wouldn't be surprised if I made that mistake, though, because when I go on TWG I just start tabbing in all the topics that have new posts. That can get disorienting fast.
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I do much the same thing. That's probably why it happened, actually.
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I think the Inquisitor was planning on killing El and stealing his power. Life force. Whatever. My theory is still that Hemalurgy takes the raw power that the sacrifice has and gives it to the Inq. That's why they tend to start out as Seekers; they already have Allomancy in their blood, so give them more power and they have the powers of a Mistborn. Give them more life in general and they heal faster. Sacrifice Keepers, and they can start accessing Feruchemy. Though where he got the spike from is anyone's guess. And why didn't Elend push it out of his hand? Or Vin? If it was metal...
El is stronger, makes sense, foreshadowed a lot already. And we can all see that Vin was a zillion times better and faster at killing Kolloss than Elend was. She has crazy mad fighting skills.
And for all we know, the writings could be the future, and/or they could even be Vin. She did hold the power and could have had that much insight. There's even foreshadowing of this in the books, when she's studying and such.
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Okay, I just found a typo in this sample chapter. Second to last paragraph (Bolded the error, obviously):
She couldn't see Elend burn duralumin, then zinc, but she could feel it. Feel him pressing on her emotions as he sent out a general wave of power, Soothing thousands of koloss at once. They all stopped fighting. In the distance, Vin could make out the haggard remnants of Elend's army, standing in a exhausted circle of bodies. Ash continued to fall. It rarely stopped, these days.
Brass. Not Zinc, brass. Man, that original MB1 Ars Arcanum must just screw Brandon up all the time.
It's unfortunate... the book probably already went to press and it's too late to change it.
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Misspelled "shearing", too, but I'm not sure this is final copy anyhow. We'll know when the book comes out, I guess.
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I noticed the error in metal as well, oh well it happens, it will probably be fixed for the paper back.
Maybe the inquisitors got the spike form within himslef, and had it peircing a less important place, only it says it was longer than the ones used, maybe it came from one of the koloss?
When I said that bit about Elend and Vin fighting inquisitors and koloss before, I meant inqs without the steel back plate, the inquisitors probably developed this plate because Vin and Elend were killing so many of their number.
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Yeah, I'm sure you're right. About that plate, though, it's made of metal, right? Then why didn't Vin already know it was there, by its blue lines? And why wasn't it seen as a liability in Allomantic fights? Couldn't Vin or Elend have duralumin-pushed on the Inquisitor's armor to send him flying? And if Inquisitors are somehow too strong to worry about that, why do they still carry obsidian axes (instead of metal)? My only guess is that these protective plates pierce the Inquisitors somewhere, so that they can't be affected by regular Allomancy.
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That's what I think, either that or it's connected to the spike it is protecting, and as long as any piece of the metal contacts blood, it greatly reduces the effectiveness of steel and/or iron.
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It's definitely attached to the body like jewelry or spikes, which are invisible to allomantic senses under normal circumstances.
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Ive got a question about inquisitors. Do they age? In the books it said there are only a few of them at a time before TLR died but they were looking for more obligators that were mistings like marsh.If they do age is there some kind of retirement home for old inquisitors or do they maybe throw themselves into a volcano when they get to old.
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To the comment above me, or to bhthomas if someone posts before I do ;): Inquisitors do age, or at least, they die of old age. I guess they might stay the same age until they die, but I doubt it.
And in normal times (meaning before Kelsier's crew messed everything up) I bet that an old Inquisitor would be used to make new Inquisitors. Pound the spike through the old one, you know?
Oh, and as for the chapter: WOW. That is all.
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I like how Elend called Vin one of his armies, but seriously, if Elend is stronger than Vin, he needs to train more so he can be as tough as she is, it's kinda silly having to rely on the skills of someone weaker than yourself to keep you alive, Elend was taking on 1 or 2 Koloss at a time, Vin took 10 or more on at once.
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Elend was never a warrior. He's a scholar. Vin grew up on the streets, so if anyone has a mentality for fighting and survival, she does. He has the power, but none of the inherent aptitude. Like Sazed. He can fight, can kill Koloss, but again, he's limited because fighting isn't a part of his life, normally.
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Also, Vin has been training within her powers for much longer than Elend. Having a complementing mate, or even close comrade in arms, is a good thing, not considered depending on someone weaker, in my opinion. Meaning, he is better with the emotion part of being Mistborn, Vin is better with the physicality, due, as Qarlin mentioned, to their upbringing. At least that is what makes the most sense to me.
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Also, Vin has been training within her powers for much longer than Elend. Having a complementing mate, or even close comrade in arms, is a good thing, not considered depending on someone weaker, in my opinion. Meaning, he is better with the emotion part of being Mistborn, Vin is better with the physicality, due, as Qarlin mentioned, to their upbringing. At least that is what makes the most sense to me.
On the contrary, after reading Vin's internal dialogue in this latest chapter it seems as though she is, mentally, in a place more suited to her talents. She now sees herself as the kingdom's blade. A blade to be wielded however the kingdom sees fit. One hell of a dangerous mindset for Vin's and Elend's enemies if you ask me.
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Elend was never a warrior. He's a scholar. Vin grew up on the streets, so if anyone has a mentality for fighting and survival, she does. He has the power, but none of the inherent aptitude. Like Sazed. He can fight, can kill Koloss, but again, he's limited because fighting isn't a part of his life, normally.
This reminds me of Gohan from DBZ, most powerful character, but his mum wants him to be a scholar not a fighter...
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I like how Elend called Vin one of his armies, but seriously, if Elend is stronger than Vin, he needs to train more so he can be as tough as she is, it's kinda silly having to rely on the skills of someone weaker than yourself to keep you alive, Elend was taking on 1 or 2 Koloss at a time, Vin took 10 or more on at once.
Raw power isn't experience or aptitude. Elend can sooth all of the Koloss just by pushing, but he had to be taught the technique.
In any case, his emotionally Allomancy may have ended up actually killing more Koloss than Vin. By keeping his army brave, he was strengthening his own little army which had a lot more on its hands than Vin did. A politician with Allomancy is a dangerous person indeed.
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I like how Elend called Vin one of his armies, but seriously, if Elend is stronger than Vin, he needs to train more so he can be as tough as she is, it's kinda silly having to rely on the skills of someone weaker than yourself to keep you alive, Elend was taking on 1 or 2 Koloss at a time, Vin took 10 or more on at once.
Raw power isn't experience or aptitude. Elend can sooth all of the Koloss just by pushing, but he had to be taught the technique.
In any case, his emotionally Allomancy may have ended up actually killing more Koloss than Vin. By keeping his army brave, he was strengthening his own little army which had a lot more on its hands than Vin did. A politician with Allomancy is a dangerous person indeed.
I'd still prefer to annoy Elend than Vin...
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Comfortable Madness, I was speaking of the two main types of attacks, as I see them, the emotional or mental attacks, and the physical attacks. Vin is better physically, in the way she fights compared to Elend and the way he fights, not what her mindset is, because as you said, she is settled and calm there. And as Vin pointed out, and as others mentioned, Elend is better with the emotional or mental side, of Allomancy, than Vin is. His soothing/rioting, or pushing/pulling on emotions, is better than Vin could probably ever be, because he is a different kind of Allomancer than she is. They complement each other. He with the emotions and her with the physical, as a team they will be very hard to beat, as was shown in that battle. I hope that cleared up my point, and thanks for showing me that I worded it poorly the first time.
And I agree whole-heartedly Happyman, a politician with Allomancy would be a very dangerous person.
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She's really good with emotional allomancy as well; she's done it all her life; that was her "luck." But emotional allomancy is about subtlety as often as it is about power. LTR didn't have to be subtle, because he was ridiculously powerful. Vin has the subtlety.
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This first quote shows that Vin is acknowledging Elend's power being greater than her own.
He's so powerful! Vin thought, watching the surprised Inquisitor fall. Elend was no ordinary Allomancer--he might not have learned perfect control yet, but when he flared his metals and Pushed, he could really Push.
This second one, if she had been able to do what Elend did, or help him to accomplish it faster than he did on his own, don't you think she would have? The battle was over, she could just as easily have helped him soothe the Koloss and taken control of some of them herself. They are as one, the same purpose, it could have only been a good thing if she had. The point here, I think, is to show how powerful Elend's emotional Allomancy is, which it does, very well. She states outright that TLR was stronger than her, or Kel, and this is thousands of Koloss, not just a square full of people. A task that I think would be more than just a little bit more impressive, and more difficult. To me it shows that his power is extraordinary, not just a bit more than Vin's. Don't take this to mean that I think he is better than Vin, I don't. Just different. But, this is just as I see it. I'm sure it reads a bit differently to others. The great thing about books is that they are interpretive, and can be viewed differently by different people.
The emperor turned away from the dying Inquisitor, and she could see the look of concentration on his face. Once, Vin had seen the Lord Ruler affect an entire city square full of people with his emotional Allomancy. He had been stronger than she was; far stronger--even--than Kelsier.
She couldn't see Elend burn duralumin, then zinc, but she could feel it. Feel him pressing on her emotions as he sent out a general wave of power, Soothing thousands of koloss at once. They all stopped fighting. In the distance, Vin could make out the haggard remnants of Elend's army, standing in a exhausted circle of bodies. Ash continued to fall. It rarely stopped, these days.
The koloss lowered their weapons. Elend had won.
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I agree wit happy man, we already know Vin is VERY good and VERY subtle with her emotional allomancy, especiallly from her manipulation of straff in book 2. Elend has power, but not the same subtley as Vin. He DOES however understand emotional allomancy more than he understands the physical allomancy. If you read his viewpoint, he's not using subtely though, he jsut giving the army the emotions they need to fight,
And Vin was soothing Koloss too, if you notice, she started before Elend did.
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As for who is writing the bumps. I would suggest looking at the sentence structure and the style. Does it sound like Alendi, Rashek, TLR after taking the power, or someone else who has some knowledge of Ruin and Preservation. Think.
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Well, EUOL's latest annotation stated that the Terris characters would all have similar sentence structure. So if the bumps match the Terris way a speaking, then that would make a stronger case for Rashek, but could also be Kwaan or even Sazed. I am sure someone here would be willing to put the bumps from MB3 next to some bumps from MB2 and see if there is a similarity. If it does not fit the Terris speech patterns, then Rashek is ruled out.
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I'm going with Rashek until the book tells me otherwise. ...I have this horrible feeling that there is some huge twist relating to that.
I can't wait :P
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Doesn't some summary somewhere, say something about Elend following clues left by the Lord Ruler? That makes a strong case for Rashek being the bump writer, the bumps always get discovered by the characters, and are part of the story, I don't buy the whole future bumps thing.
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Maybe Statlin City had TLR's journal. I wonder why Elend and Vin didn't have Atium to use against the Inq. I would imagine they would have acquired the stash that Straff had left, even if they didn't find TLR's storehouse.
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They've been fighting the Inquisitors for about ayear, they probably used up any that they had found or they discovered the reason that kandra collect Atium and it is too important to burn...
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I would think their lack of atium was due to the general lack of atium. It seems that they never found any stockpile or they would have had some with them. Its possable that they dont want to use it because of the Kandra but whats more imoptant than your life? I have a feeling that atium usage is going to drop alot in this book and the unknown metals will have more of an impact.
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Or they're saving what little atium they got from straff, and off Zane's body, for a time when they need to fight many people without atium, it seems a waste to use atium only to protect yourself from others with atium now that they have electrum to do that.