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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Fellfrosch on September 23, 2008, 05:11:59 PM
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There aren't necessarily any big spoilers in this thread yet, but they're bound to surface eventually.
So anyway: Heroes. Like most right-thinking humans, I really hated season 2--it was scattered and boring and poorly-written. It neither mimicked its first season (which it tried to do) nor expanded on it (which it should have done). The plot arcs were short and unrelated, the conflicts were ill-defined, and many of the characters were downright annoying. Everyone hated it, including the creators, and I think we were all relieved when the writers' strike stepped in and cut it short.
That said, I had (and have) high hopes for season 3, or volume 3, or whatever they presume to call themselves. They know what went wrong as well as we do, and season 1 suggests that they can actually be really interesting when they set their minds to it. Having watched the back-to-back premiere episodes last night, I'm pleased to say that, for the most part, they're doing a pretty good job. They're still falling into a lot of the same stupid character traps they've always fallen into, but the story looks interesting and the set-up makes me think they actually have a good plan ahead.
1. A lot of what they've done is to reset the situation back to season 1, to kind of repeat a lot of the things they did right, but they've only reset the situations--the characters have advanced, which is already a huge leap ahead of season 2.
2. The first issue is Peter and Sylar: these guys are way too powerful, and the show needed to find a way to reign them in, and for the most part it has. Ironically, they've reigned in Peter via making two of him, but since one is trapped in another body (possibly without his powers; we're not sure yet) and one is a semi-villain from the future, this could actually work. Sylar lost most of his powers last season, which essentially puts him back where he was in season 1, but it was interesting to see him immediately gain Claire's power--the entire purpose of the whole first season was to stop him from doing that, and now he's done it in the very first episode. So that's interesting.
3. That said, Sylar is a HORRIBLE character, and I hate watching him. I don't mean that he's evil, I mean that he's a boring, maddening, one-note caricature that drives me up the wall. If Zachary Quinto didn't do such a great job playing that one note, we'd have been rid of Sylar two years ago, but now we're stuck with him. I was really excited when he got trapped in the super dungeon, because it looked like they were going to keep him locked up and let the other group of far more interesting villains take the forefront, but then at the end Mrs. "I'm more mysterious than you" Petrelli lets him go, so my hopes were dashed. If they can find a way to keep him relatively weak that will be awesome, but since he's already unkillable and can incapacitate people with his mind, we might be looking at another season of Sylar's smarmy threats and false tension. Bah.
4. Nothing much with Parkman yet, though the African guy seems kind of cool.
5. Claire is interesting, as always, though her "I don't know if I'm human" conflict is kind of silly. And Mr. Bennett continues to be one of the best characters in the entire show, though his decision to bring in Claire's crazy firestarter Mom seems a little suspect.
6. Kristen Bell is awesome: her character is awesome, her character's conflict is awesome, she's really one of the hands-down highlights of the season so far. She is a great example of why people love sf and fantasy: "I have electrical powers superpowers" is a fun character trait, but "nobody trusts me to do anything right" is a solid character foundation. Standards dramas have the latter, and bad sf shows have the former, but bring them together in one character and you've got something really cool that you can't get anywhere else.
7. Hiro continues to be the most fun character in the show, largely because of Ando. Their scenes are interesting, their characters are great, and their personalities work perfectly--especially considering that none of it's in English. The scene in the first episode where Hiro stops time and follows the speedster's frozen motion blur was not only a cool special effect but a great character moment--his interaction with the blur was simple yet exciting, and it was simply a great scene. His quick leap into the future was great, too, although it was a little dumb to trot out the same stupid time bomb they used in season 1: "Hiro visits the future and watches a city get destroyed, and now we have to stop it." That was ingenious the first time they did it, but now it felt a little desperate. Also: as much as I love Ando, blaming Hiro when the speedster cuts him was a stupid leap of logic, and a little out of character.
8. The concept of giving powers to "normal" characters is kind of cool, but kind of sad. Ando and Suresh and Mr. Bennet have always been some of my favorites, in part BECAUSE they don't have powers; it makes them braver, I think, that they dive into these dangerous situations with nothing to protect them. I really don't want to lose that.
9. That said, Suresh's battle with a crazy power he obviously doesn't understand is kind of cool. This is yet another example of the writers resetting the show to season 1 situations, because now we get to watch another character struggle with a new power. I don't know if those are boils on his back, or scales, or what; is he getting sick, or is her mutating physically? I'm intrigued either way. Also: Suresh was an idiot in virtually every conversation he had with Maya. Just sayin'.
10. Tracy Strauss is fascinating. The biggest triumph of season 1 was that it took the character I liked the least (Nikki) and gave her a wonderful character arc and a great sense of progression and made me love her by the end. Through most of these two episodes I was convinced that Nikki had gained a third personality, and that seemed like a neat conflict for her, but then when she whipped out the accidental ice power at the end I started to think she must be a clone: I remember Linderman saying something in season 1 about how she was created, or grown, or part of a special creation program, and now it would appear that Tracy is another person from the same program. Very cool.
11. Nathan has been reset to season 1 as well, having regained his political career and his ambiguous morality. This is kind of annoying, because all I really want from this show is for Nathan to turn into a strong leader. He's the group's Captain America, I promise you, he just hasn't gotten there yet. His abrupt religiousness is interesting, and his talk about becoming an angel is way cool, because it could lead him to official superheroics, but then there's that lame political thing coming back, and I'm leery that he's just going to repeat his power-hungry arc from season 1. At least this time he has effing Bruce Boxleitner to deal with, so, you know, that's totally awesome.
12. Mrs. Petrellis has magical dreams? And that's where Peter got them? Season 2 seemed to make very clear that he got those from that old black guy--Simone's dad. If he didn't, then what DID he get from that guy?
I've gone on too long, but I think those are the main points I wanted to make. Except that I hope the Taskmaster girl comes back again, and I hope that we actually finally get to see some team-ups. Now that there's a team of villains, we should definitely get to see a team of heroes. Also, where's the hot Irish girl?
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I wonder if they are going to bring back the Irish girl too. I was also looking forward to seeing the Haitian again. Nikki did have a twin at one time named Jessica (who became her alter ego) that allegedly died. Maybe she didn't die after all, but had her memory erased. Which one was the taskmaster girl again?
I just hope they haven't bitten off too much. The story seems very complex, and they could lose control of it.
There is one thing that still bothers me, though. Peter can heal like Claire, yet he has a scar. I know they use this to distinguish future Peter from present Peter, but how is it possible?
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There is one thing that still bothers me, though. Peter can heal like Claire, yet he has a scar. I know they use this to distinguish future Peter from present Peter, but how is it possible?
yeah i thought about that too, but kinda figured it was the result of some super-epic future battle with Sylar, where he uses the "cutting from a distance" power and it never fully healed. It'll be interesting to see how they explain it.
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Taskmaster was a Marvel villain who had what they call "photographic reflexes," meaning that he could perfectly mimc anything he saw somebody else do. Season 2 of Heroes had a girl (Nikki's sister-in-law) who could do that, giving her amazing powers of martial arts and such. She was kind of cool, but they didn't really do anything cool with her.
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Oh OK. Yeah, she was with Micah when the building exploded with Nikki still in it. I bet they will be coming back, but they want to keep the suspense of whether or not Nikki is still alive for a while.
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Oh yeah, they blew up. Was that really the last we saw of them? I missed several of those final episodes because the show was so dang boring last year.
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Micah and the mimic girl get out, but Nikki is still in the building when it blows.
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Who else noticed that the guy "Tracy" blasted to ice crystals was The Greatest American Hero? I saw his name in the credits, and I'm like, "William Katt...that name sounds so familiar," and then there he was! (Also, Felicia Day from Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog was on House this week.)
Karen hates Sylar, though I don't detest him so much. Karen thinks they should cut him up into tiny pieces and and spread them all over the world and bury each piece in 10 feet of concrete. At some point in the future, some villain could make a quest out of finding all the pieces, à la Cobra Commander, she says. But we wouldn't have to deal with him until then.
Future-Peter is the one who messed with Nathan's head and gave him visions, right?
Karen says to say that we think you're right on, Dan. Reading your post was like repeating the conversations we've been having for the last couple days. Though we didn't think of the clone thing; we assumed she was either Nikki (ep. 1) or Jessica (after the ice thing).
Suresh looked really green in his last scene. Was that just the lighting, or was he hulkifying?
We thought the little Magneto reference was cute.
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How about the "Sylar, I am your mother" bit. All that was missing was the artificial breathing. The Greatest American Hero. I recognize him now. Good catch.
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I have a question for the Japanese speakers on the boards (I know you're out there) how authentic is the Japanese spoken on the show? Is it realistic? And ditto for the spanish, if it ever appears again (it was in season 2).
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Yes. It's realistic. Even George Takei has a very stereotypical tone of voice for his character type.
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And the Spanish last year was great, though the translation wasn't.
(And yes, I was delighted to see Felicia Day, and then bummed that it was such a wasted character. How they can take someone as sweet and instantly likeable as Felicia Day and make her into an unsympathetic statue is beyond me.)
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Well, the English subtitles on the Japanese aren't necessarily very literal either. The Japanese is colloquial and contains nuances that don't always come across in the subtitles. But that's about par for the course on subtitles.
I'm assuming that the lines are originally written in English and then translated into good Japanese/Spanish by native speakers (with interpolation by the actors themselves) and then the subtitles are based mostly on the original English.
Hrrmm. I don't know about episode 3. Why did Noah bring fire-girl there? Claire's brother said it right. "You're going to protect us with fire?"
Also, Sylar could have gotten interesting, but he apparently didn't. And Angela is almost as much a psychopath as he is.
Does current-Peter get all the powers of future-Peter?
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Also, Sylar could have gotten interesting, but he apparently didn't.
Yeah I know I was actually starting to like him for a bit :P
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Does current-Peter get all the powers of future-Peter?
That's a good point. I also wonder why someone as powerful as Peter would allow other Heroes to be hunted in the first place. He is practically invincible, can disappear, shoot lightining, control minds, release nuclear energy, move objects with his mind, fly, control space/time, etc, etc, etc. He makes Superman look like a hack. Instead he decides to shoot his brother? Why not just go back in time and tell him what happens if he tells the truth? It seems that they only way to keep Peter from being too powerful was to make him an idiot.
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Does current-Peter get all the powers of future-Peter?
That's a good point. I also wonder why someone as powerful as Peter would allow other Heroes to be hunted in the first place. He is practically invincible, can disappear, shoot lightining, control minds, release nuclear energy, move objects with his mind, fly, control space/time, etc, etc, etc. He makes Superman look like a hack. Instead he decides to shoot his brother? Why not just go back in time and tell him what happens if he tells the truth? It seems that they only way to keep Peter from being too powerful was to make him an idiot.
lolz. I keep on waiting for future-Sylar, complete with Hiro's stolen powers, to show up.
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Did anyone else feel the freeing of Peter from Jessie was anticlimatic?
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Today's episode:
Everything is on the table this season. They're clearly going for broke. Question is, will it break them?
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Not a bad episode, over all. I still have no idead why the two peters weren't invisible if they were afraid to be seen. anyway, we now know that the Haitian's power can allow Peter, Sylar, and even Claire to be killed.
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Well its good to know that Sylar and Peter actually ARE brothers, and it wasn't just their mom being mysterious.
Also I was gonna swear that was how Peter gets his scar across his face, when Claire was cutting him with the scalpel.
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Wow I feel really bad for vortex man and Ando. Although they might just open up the next episode with Hiro going back in time and saving him...
Really, not much happened in this episode. Except we introduced a whole lot of new villians.
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We assumed that Hiro had planted a fake blood pack in Ando's clothes, or something like that. The question is whether or not speedster saw it.
I called Mr. Petrelli's return after last week's preview.
This show is getting pretty dark though.
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I wish I didn't hate this show so much, though I admit I'm not trying very hard to like it.
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I'm getting pretty dubious about it. I'm not sure it won't pull itself together, but I'm starting to suspect it won't.
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They are really taking some creative license now. Why did Adam die just because he lost his power? His body should have just started aging normally. It was a nice affect, but way out there.
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Yeah, I think so too. And I don't like it that he died so easily.
(Of course, when they did the exact same thing on Roswell, when Max got absorbed and turned into dust, the guy who absorbed him eventually just turned into him so it was like he never died...)
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I don't think they are going that way this time, though. They just wanted to make Pa Patrelli look particularly evil. Ironically, killing someone who was hell-bent on destroying humanity doesn't invoke a lot of sympathy. I wonder how Peter will get his powers back? I imagine he lost the ability to absorb powers to his father as well?
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See I figured that Adam was just so old that the removal of his powers returned his body to the state that it should have been at had he not had powers.
Though, I was kind of disappointed to see him go.. :(
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Though, I was kind of disappointed to see him go.. :(
I was very disappointed to see him go. Adam rocked. His death was so anti-climactic after all he did last season. I had high hopes for him this season. But NO, the writers copped out. Pansies....
Last ep was kind of lame. I normally like the background eps, but this one....meh. I thought the previous ep was pretty good though. Sucks that Pete lost all his powers. Daddy Petrelli is an evil man. Love his power, though. Totally fits with Sylar's and Peter's.
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Adam had such an anti-climactic end. In fact, much of this season feels anti-climactic. They set something up pretty crazy and then just *fhwoosh* is magically fixes itself in some way.
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I know. It's like they looked at Peter and Sylar and said "They're too powerful. Let's do something about that." And so last season, Sylar lost all his powers (which I still don't understand how he supposedly lost all his powers, but yet he still has telekinesis. That wasn't his original power. It was just the first power he stole...).
And now this season Daddy Petrelli stole all Pete's. And Pete can't even get them back, because he lost his MAIN power--the empath. He's pretty much a useless character now. I mean, I guess he could turn out to be like Noah and maybe even Ando, but Pete just doesn't seem to have the background for a life like Noah's, nor a good enough friend to be like Ando....Lame.
I must say, though, I love Sylar. I've always loved Sylar for some reason, even back when he was killing everyone in Season 1. I started liking him even more in the fastforward this season. "Peter, you should've told me you were coming. I would've made more waffles."...I thought it was hilarious.
I think the premise of this season is good--the turning of the heroes into villains. But the writers are executing it very poorly. I do like how they're making Sylar into a bit better of a character. I was hoping they'd do the same for Adam. Make the bad guys good and the good guys bad....But we all know how that turned out, for Adam at least. Still makes me mad. He had so much more potential.....
I'm hoping that if Daddy Petrelli doesn't steal Hiro's power (if he did, I would be FURIOUS!), Hiro will bring Adam back. Somehow. I don't know why he would, but maybe Hiro will see something in the future and he knows they need Adam...I hope.
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I just hope they find a better solution than : Hiro goes back in time and disconnects Petrelli's life support and so the whole situation created this season just goes away.
That would be lame
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I just hope they find a better solution than : Hiro goes back in time and disconnects Petrelli's life support and so the whole situation created this season just goes away.
That would be lame
No kidding. I didn't even think about that....I don't think the show's gone downhill quite THAT much....Prison Break on the other hand....But that's irrelevant for this discussion.
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I'm gonna go ahead and admit I've completely stopped watching this show anymore. I fill my monday nights with Terminator: sarah connor chronicles instead.
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Oh, I watch that show too! I still need to watch Monday's ep. After Heroes, I got completely absorbed reading HoA and missed Terminator....
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After catching last weeks episode finally, I have to say that this shore officially feels like a chore to watch. I really do not know what it is they are trying to do. The thought that keeps ringing in my head is, "I am so glad we had that writer's strike."
Nearly every show I keep track of is disappointing in one way or another. Terminator had a great first season, but this one is pretty hit and miss for me.
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After catching last weeks episode finally, I have to say that this shore officially feels like a chore to watch. I really do not know what it is they are trying to do. The thought that keeps ringing in my head is, "I am so glad we had that writer's strike."
sorry but are you talking about heroes or terminator in this? For terminator I forget what made me think this but I loved how we've seen the characters grow and change.
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That comment was about Heroes.
Some of the Terminator episodes for this season seemed a little iffy to me, but a lot of them have been spot on.
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I enjoy heroes because I like the characters and the ideas in the show. I don't know if this season is failing yet.
I have hope that all the things we see as let downs right now are just leading to something bigger and more exciting at season's end.
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I have hope that all the things we see as let downs right now are just leading to something bigger and more exciting at season's end.
That's what I'm hoping, too. It could turn into a false hope, but oh well. I've loved this show since before it aired, and I want to see where it goes. Even if that's into the gutter....Plus I want to know what Sylar's going to do to Daddy Pettrelli. And how Pete's gonna deal with his loss of powers.
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Has anyone considered that the formula that grants people powers will also restore them? Ohh, I bet you are now. I stopped watching it three weeks ago yet I can still follow the plot just by reading this thread. That doesn't help my confidence in it's continued success.
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Last night's episode was actually good, compared to that lame background one last week.
And I think the formula probably WILL end up restoring powers. Not sure about that, but I can't see Pete being without his powers for very long. I guess we'll see next week, since I'm sure that's when they'll test Claire out as the catalyst....And then he'll get his empath back and have to go collect the powers again....Shame, because it's probably gonna take a while before he can get telekinesis back. That's a sweet power.
In the comic book, it looked to me like the world was going to blow up at the eclipse. But then when Arthur drew it later, it just looked like the regular eclipse almost....I'm curious what the "it" means when they say "it's coming."...
I love the way Sylar/Gabriel's character is developing. He's getting to be so good. And now he can collect powers without killing people.....As long as he can empathize with them....It's pretty much exactly like Pete's. Not sure how much I like that, but I do like that he doesn't have to kill people anymore. That's cool.
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I really liked this weeks episode too. I thought that it was definitely an improvement.
And it got me wondering if Elle is Sylar's future wife (mother of the future kid in the waffle episode)
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Sylar's dialogue in this episode was pretty lame. He just can't project any sincerity into his new "good guy" role.
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Does anyone else think it's cool that Sylar is in the new Star Trek movie?
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I, for one, am extremely excited to see what he does with Spock's character.
And I agrees Mok. Throughout the entire scene in the cell, everything he said felt unnatural and forced. It seemed like he playing a villain's stereotype of a superhero as opposed to an actual superhero.
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OK, I just nearly threw up in my mouth. I am not one to follow Hollywood actor drama. In fact, I stay as far away from it as possible. I don't even subscribe to cable TV. I get everything digitally. My sister, however, thought it would be fun to see my reaction to this tidbit.
Apparently Milo Ventimiglia and Hayden Panettiere are dating.
After that sunk in for a bit, I was truly mollified. It wasn't creepy enough that there seemed to be more attraction between their characters than should be. Now we begin the thoughts that he is thirty and she is eighteen. It really leaves them with very few topics of conversation...
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I've known that for a while, but I agree--it's rather sick, and not just because of the characters they play on the show. I don't even care about that. It's the age difference. It wouldn't matter so much if she was 25 and he was 37. Same age difference, but she's 18. That's just....sick.
And I'm also excited to see Star Trek. I've never been a big Star Trek fan (much more of a Star Wars nerd...), but I'm really looking forward to this one--mostly to see how Zachary Quinto does.
And let me just say that this season, I've really come to notice just how LAME Claire's character is. I hope she dies next episode....It's not going to happen (I'm betting Noah will get to the hospital when the doctors are about to give up and say 'she's dead' and then she'll come back to life through some connection she's got with him....because it's kinda weird that she was fine BEFORE he left the house, but after, all of a sudden, she's passed out and almost dead....). I looked at my sisters after this episode ended and said 'I hope she dies, because then they'll lose their catalyst and everyone will be stuck without powers until the next eclipse' and then one of my sisters said 'and then heroes would REALLY suck,' and I didn't say it, but I was thinking 'doesn't it already?'
I hope Pete got his powers back. Since everyone else got them taken away, maybe since Pete had already lost his, he'll get them back....I'm hoping. And Nathan is....so dumb.....I'm glad Mohinder's not crazy anymore. I hope Noah doesn't really shoot Sylar and Elle. That would kind of suck....And I thought it was hilarious how smoothly Noah busted up both of those two. It was AWESOME!
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Everything seems to be tied together with the eclipse (which doesn't take all that long--I don't think--so the next episode should see the restoring of powers)
Well I hope so anyway. If they continue on in this vein I'll just watch The Hills with my wife--no, not so much-- or just give up on TV for good. I mean I watch Heroes because of the abilities, not for the poor story-line or bad acting.
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This show is really starting to suck. Come on, no eclipse takes anywhere near this long—totality is usually just 2 minutes, and can only be as long as 7 minutes 31 seconds. (Though this (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/2008-08-01_Solar_eclipse_progression_with_timestamps.jpg) makes it look like the whole process can take 2 hours.)
But anyway, it's not internally consistent—say that every other eclipse (an eclipse happens basically every 6 months somewhere on earth) the effect switches between triggering power and taking power away. Adam Monroe would have turned to dust during an eclipse years ago (if losing his power killed him). Also, Nathan did not fly the first time during an eclipse. It was during the car accident. At night. (Right?)
And who the heck is drawing the 9th Wonders comic now?
Sylar's dialogue is getting so bad. He changes personality every 15 minutes, it seems.
I'm still watching the show hoping it will turn around, but my hopes are dimming. Meanwhile, Pushing Daisies and Eli Stone got canceled, while Knight Rider didn't. I wanted to like Knight Rider. The pilot episode months ago wasn't bad. But the first episode was horrible and nothing after that looked any good. Ugh.
At least Chuck is still running...
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I think I've been blind to how bad Heroes has been....until this last episode. In comparison to some others, it really wasn't THAT bad, but....I don't know. It just made the lameness of the show pop out to me. I had so many questions about the eclipse that I honestly don't think will be answered.
Among those questions were the older people's powers. Like Linderman. And Angela. And Arthur. The older generation (I completely forgot about Adam...). They had their powers. Why didn't the past eclipses take them away? It sure seems like they've had their powers for a long time, and Arthur--although he didn't seem completely surprised about it--didn't seem to have expected it, which if it had happened in the past, he should've.
You'd think he would make SOME kind of comment about it beforehand--maybe not one that we would understand previous to this episode, but afterward, we'd know....I don't recall anything like that. Which makes it seem like this is the first time. But why would it be so consistent? One eclipse gives people powers and the very next eclipse takes those powers away? Yet nothing like that had ever happened before? What?
And I was wondering about that too--who's doing 9th Wonders? It's a cool idea, but Isaac's dead. And yeah, there are other people who can paint the future (Arthur) but to my knowledge, they're not exactly the kind of people who would care about selling their paintings to be in a comic book.
I really hope the show will get better...And yet I doubt very much that it will. It had so much potential in the first season.....Almost all my shows are dying out now. Prison Break pretty much sucks. In fact, the only good ones that I watch that have lasted into or past 3 seasons are comedies--The Office, and Psych. Although this coming season of 24 looks promising....
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But anyway, it's not internally consistent—say that every other eclipse (an eclipse happens basically every 6 months somewhere on earth) the effect switches between triggering power and taking power away. Adam Monroe would have turned to dust during an eclipse years ago (if losing his power killed him). Also, Nathan did not fly the first time during an eclipse. It was during the car accident. At night. (Right?)
Yeah, they are really messing things up with how powers are given. If that first eclipse gave the powers, then there are a whole slew of people that are outside of that range. Adam had his for 400 years.....
Meanwhile, Pushing Daisies and Eli Stone got canceled, while Knight Rider didn't. I wanted to like Knight Rider. The pilot episode months ago wasn't bad. But the first episode was horrible and nothing after that looked any good. Ugh.
Pushing Daisings got canceled?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was one of the best shows I've EVER seen on TV!
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Pushing Daisings got canceled?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was one of the best shows I've EVER seen on TV!
Why do they cancel good shows? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?.......okay I'm done.
EDIT: I did some searching and found this http://uk.news.yahoo.com/1/20081121/ten-pushing-daisies-cancelled-eli-stone-c60bd6d.html. Bryan Fuller talks about taking the series and story elsewhere. Possibly to DC, or even to the big screen. I hope the cliffhanger at the end of the season doesn't make me scream like last season did...
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I will never understand why actual good shows get canceled while crap shows keep getting aired. It boggles the mind. :(
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I think it has to do with the fact (and sadly it is a fact) that if they make a show geared toward the lowest common denominator they get more ratings. They also save money because they don't have to sped as much on things like script and good cast and scenery......
Intelligent, witty, well written shows sadly only appeal to intelligent people...... :D
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So we just need to make an awesome people's channel.
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Wilson: about 9th Wonders: they explained it in the show "This is the last issue Mendes published before he died" - but there is a bike messenger with his last sketches out there somewhere, so there is one more "issue" to go.
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Yes, Seth Green's cameo is awesome!
Too bad everyone else's lines can't be as good.
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Improvisation is great! ;D
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Wilson: about 9th Wonders: they explained it in the show "This is the last issue Mendes published before he died" - but there is a bike messenger with his last sketches out there somewhere, so there is one more "issue" to go.
Yeah. I know that now. I was just wondering before yesterday's ep how it happened....I'm glad it got explained.
And I know! Seth's part was great! I loved it. "Best. Day. Ever." He had some good lines....
I have to say that episode restored my faith in the show. It actually was a pretty decent episode. The special effects were in need of some work, but overall it was good. I really like that Sylar's back. It's awesome. And I think it's safe to say that Elle is NOT Sylar's kid's mother. I was thinking for a bit there that she was, but the end kind of proved otherwise.
I thought it was hilarious when Bennett slit Sylar's throat. It was great. And then Hiro's grabbing of Sylar and Elle from the Bennett's house. That was pretty cool too. What I REALLY want to know is when/if Pete's going to get his powers back. I hope he does, and yet it really seems like he's not going to. Lame.
I wonder if Noah was telling the truth about Sylar's parents. I'm leaning towards yes...but he might've just been trying to save his neck (literally).
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Something my brother noticed, all characters from 2nd season are being killed off.
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True. They are. It's like it's going back to the basics. Which isn't completely surprising considering the flop that Season 2 was, but the show has more potential than just what it was at a basic level...
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Urgh. There's no way Isaac was that far ahead. The retconning is getting ridiculous.
I thought there were some good parts to this episode—better than quite a few recent episodes—but I wouldn't say it restored my faith in the show. Sigh...
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Well, 'restored my faith more than it was' is probably a better way to word it. I'm much more interested in watching the show than I was at this point in the week LAST week....'cause that episode was just lame. But this one actually gives me some confidence in future eps, which is good....
Now if they can just KEEP improving, then this show could really get back on the right track.
But, yeah. That whole Isaac got so far in the future with the comics....It didn't seem like he was so very far ahead when he'd died. I also didn't get the impression that he'd done so much of the comics to cover Kaito giving Claire to Noah, either....
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I was hoping that someone else took over the 9th wonder series. After all, many who have the ability to draw the future, draw it in the same comic-book way (i.e. Arthur's pictures from the last episode. Exactly the same style as Isaac's drawings, and I believe Peter's were too). I too was like, "What?! Those were supposedly done by Isaac before he died! Come on."
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No, the part that bugged me more than the post death issues was the elusive, "lost issue"..... I groaned when I heard that one. Groaned loudly...
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I less than three Seth Green.
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So... Ando turned into a nicrosil misting. That's pretty cool, actually.
Almost everything else about the episode sucked. The soldier boy gets killed before we even understand what his power is, Nathan's personality changes again... I mean, seriously, WTK was up with that ending? Whoever is running the show now is so incredibly desperate.
Okay, Angela telling the truth was decent. Sylar getting spiked (and now they'll forget to cut him up into little pieces and concrete him, and someone will eventually pull the spike out). Barack Obama being played by Worf was pretty cool too.
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I liked that as well. They really push things though don't they? It took Hiro weeks to control his time travel, but Ando and speed girl get it exactly right the very first time, and she somehow knows how to go both forward and backward in time now? The only thing I really liked was Sylar being Sylar again. By the way, can we be sure that Daddy Patrelli is dead? I don't know if it was a mistake or not, but his body was missing when Nathan woke back up after being knocked out by Peter.
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the way i see it sylar should be dead for good, with the spike in his head and getting burned up in the fire and all. it seems like such a bad way to kill him off though so i think we will see him again. this is the first time since the season began that i couldn't wait for the next episode, up until now Ive been disappointed in the season as a whole. I'm really glad to see peter got his powers back and i really think its dumb how Nathan keeps changing personalities.
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Seems to me that this "Chapter" was just a setup for the return of Chapter 2
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Well, I must say that I didn't really like the way this last episode ended...And I have a question. How did Mohinder get super-strength? And why the heck is Noah working with Nathan?...Argh.
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I'm just curious to see how long it takes before Nathan gets caught up in his own scheme and removed for the good of the public :)
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if they are reverting to the S2 story, Nathan gets killed by Sylar and Sylar takes nathans place and becomes president
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Hiro gets his powers back, so he can be killed by ando the betrayer.