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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Survivors Apostale on February 14, 2008, 12:34:23 AM
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We have all stumbled around it. But what would you call one of these mistings, you know the cool name like, thug, lurcher, or soother? So far I've come up with Seerer or maybe an Oricale (Sp?). Thoughts?
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Seer was my first though too, and Oracle would be down right cool.
I thought it would be cool if atium burners were called shades since they see shadows of the future.
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We know atium allows you to see th near future in the form of shadows sohow about ShadowSeers :)
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For-eyes maybe in that they forsee the movements?
Failling that maybe Jumpers or Pouncers etc as they get a head start.
Don't think atium mistings would ever be a really prevalent group though, for a while because it's too valuable to waste finding them.
I guess you could just call them "Expensive" then.
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For all we know, there are a bunch of them walking around, they just aren't seen because they can get out of your line of site just before you look there.
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Or they can't aford Atium, and there for have no Idea they have the power. And yes Expensive seems to fit best ;D. Though I do like ShadowSeer, or Oracle.
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For all we know, there are a bunch of them walking around, they just aren't seen because they can get out of your line of site just before you look there.
Yeah, are they burning that supply of mysteriously invisible atium?
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Or they can't aford Atium, and there for have no Idea they have the power. And yes Expensive seems to fit best ;D. Though I do like ShadowSeer, or Oracle.
Just bring them to hathsin and lick the geodes :P
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Aren't there characters in another book called Shades? hmmm, what book is that, it's killing me! But I KNOW I've heard of it before....
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Aren't there characters in another book called Shades? hmmm, what book is that, it's killing me! But I KNOW I've heard of it before....
Yes, it is from Eragon and Eldest by Christopher Paolini
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And before that WHEEL OF TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shade, Myrddraal, Eyeless, Halfman, Neverborn,! :P
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Shades are known through the ages in many a many a book. Most recently I believe, was the Everis Cale Triology and the Twilight War Triology as well. These of course steming from the even older books of the "Return of the Archmage" when the shadow enclave (almost all shades) returned from the shadow plane and back to faerun.
Anyways, you'll find Shades in many a tales of mythology. Enough that if Atium mistings went by the name, that don't think BranSand would need to pay any dues to any one person.
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ah, well that's where, TWOT and Paolini's books... I get confused after a while, there seems to be dark, dangerous, cloak covered creatures that instill terror in everything they come across, in every book and I get confused on which ones are which.
Ring Wraith's
Mydraal
Dementor's
it gets confusing.
I don't like an atium misting being called a shade for that reason, it's to dark and.... bad... maybe seer is better.
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Really? To dark and bad? Most mistings are seen as this way anyhow. I like the name Shade, but it doesn't seem to cover the full extent of their powers. Seer or Oracle seem to be the best fit for these and still fill the mysterious slot.
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It certainly seems like Mistings of all the metals are possible, but the problem is knowing who is who.
All the "basic" metals -- the ones Mistings are known to use -- are present in trace amounts when one drinks from a metal cup, takes liquid from a metal pipe, eats from a plate, etc. Thus, Mistings typically discover their powers "accidentally" when they ingest the metal.
That's the only way to know if you're a Misting: by burning something.
This is as good a reason as any as to why there are no Atium, Malatium, Gold, or Electrum Mistings; all of those metals are expensive and are not a part of a normal person's diet. The only way these would get into your reserves would be if you ate them, which is not something a "normal" person would do. Mistborn are the only ones who use those four metals, because they know they can use them.
For all "we" know, there could also (technically) be Mistings that are able to use Aluminum and Duralumin, but they'd be completely useless, since that pair neutralizes or augments the other metals. Aluminum and Duralumin would drain the Misting's reserves of other metals, but the Misting would not use the other metals anyway, so what's the point?
By the way, it occurs to me that there ought to be an eighth pair -- one that neutralizes someone else's metals, and another that augments someone else's metals. Perhaps that will be revealed in the third book. Or perhaps it won't.
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By the way, there are no Shades in WOT - I think you are referring to "Fades".
As for the primary discussion, I vote for Seers - all the other names have different connotations attached to them.
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I don't like any of them.
Shade... no, overused to the point where its no longer bad ass... just lame.
Oracle... no, its too 99-cent-psychic
Seer... no, its too cliche-fantasy-version-of-99-cent-psychic
... it has to be original. And those are not.
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I don't like any of them.
Shade... no, overused to the point where its no longer bad ass... just lame.
Oracle... no, its too 99-cent-psychic
Seer... no, its too cliche-fantasy-version-of-99-cent-psychic
... it has to be original. And those are not.
Yes, I think people do realise that - but it's da-...rn hard to think up a name for them which you probably also realised as you weren't able to suggest something additional - hence where our quandary is -_-
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Also overused would be prophet, but it's ironic in a way. You have to spend your profit to be a prophet.
Edit: Breeze would say something like "Never gamble with a prophet, because that's just what they'll do."
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Also overused would be prophet, but it's ironic in a way. You have to spend your profit to be a prophet.
Edit: Breeze would say something like "Never gamble with a prophet, because that's just what they'll do."
Haha, that was a classic play on words. Thanks for making my day!
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Cosmic, I completely agree, and I think we all agree that the mistings are out there just not found.
The best way I think for noble famlies to have found out was to start shoving metals down the person's mouth. They are rich enough to loose gold and what not. And even with atium they could just have the person puke it back up, and as disgusting as that sounds, most mistborn's wouldn't mind. Atium is atuim, and always gona be pretty strong for it.
As for other ideas for a name, let's try, soothsayer, clairvoyant, augur, revealer, auspex, diviner, or visionary.
Of those I like soothsayer, because it sounds awesome, and takes me bake to rome. And Clairvoyant, which just rolls off the tongue. after that the only other one is Diviner, but it is not as origanol as the others.
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Just throwing this out there....What if they were just called a glimpse?
As in...
"Hey did you just see that atium burner over there?"
"Oh. You mean the Glimpse?"
Maybe it's not as neat sounding as a soothsayer, but hey I think it works...kind of....
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Yeah, glimpse or glimpsers is actually very appropriate sounding to me!
sounds like a fairly accurate description of what they do - Good idea! :D
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I like Glimpse too...
And by dark and bad I meant ring-wraith dark and bad... I hardly see any Misting like that, I see them more as the ultimate in assassin's.
There's always something like.... sight... oooh, or how 'bout a ken....
meaning:
a range of sight or vision
As in beyond one's ken
just an idea
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Sorry to blow your entire discussion here, but during my second readthrough of WoA, I noticed on p. 26, when Vin burns atium in the first battle of the book, that only a Mistborn can burn atium.
Either we take that as very literal fact, or we think about the fact that apparently, Mistings only exist in the first eight "basic" Allomantic metals, yet that's only half of all the metals (if you take in account the existence of metal 15 and 16). Any ideas why that is?
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Mistings only exist in the first eight "basic" Allomantic metals, yet that's only half of all the metals (if you take in account the existence of metal 15 and 16). Any ideas why that is?
well i think it was mentioned earlier that its just too impractical. most mistings discover their talent by accident when burning trace metals either from their water or from dinnerware (i'm thinking pewter here). the higher metals are so rare that it's not practical to have every noble ingest a bit of metal and hope their able to burn it. i mean what if this person is an atium misting but just hasn't snapped yet. i think its pretty likely that there are mistings for the higher metals but they either haven't snapped or haven't ever ingested the appropriate metal. oh and i'm not sure but i think EUOL may have mentioned in a post that an atium misting may be possible.
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Also I think it's entirely possible, and I wouldn't feel it was stretching it, to say that there were atium mistings but no one knew about them because of the impracticality.
They only thought there were the 10 basic metals at first, and then they begin to learn how wrong they were about that, so why can't that be true for misting power's as well.
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thats true charity. everyone probably just assumes that the information they are being force fed is true. there are only 10 metals. mistings can be only for the lower eight. and since nobody (like the lord ruler) ever bothered to correct that people took began to take the information for granted. and since the lord ruler frowns upon invention and modernity in general people don't look into it. especially since being 'frowned upon' by a pseudo-deity can often mean just plain dead... :D
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That's true. Due to the miracle of perspective, you always see things in the context of the character. Vin, perhaps, has certain assumptions, which would lead her to exclude the existence of atium mistings.
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Another point: would anyone think to give someone Atium just to see if they could burn it? I can see testing people out with brass or zinc or even copper, but the most precious of all metals? Even if there were Atium Mistings, I doubt the Mistborns would share it.
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That was my point before: people wouldn't. Nobody would waste any metals on someone they didn't know was capable of Allomancy. The only reason anyone knows about any Mistings is because the eight "basic" Metals are found in trace elements in things like silverware and metallic goblets. Nobody force-feeds other people Pewter to see if they're potential Thugs; they just notice an increased strength one day and figure out that it's because they ate tomatoes or something from a dish that was made of pewter. Similarly, Tineyes just experience greater sensitivity after drinking from a tin cup, etc.
Of course the metals they "discover" their powers with are impure, so they would obviously get a greatly diminished effect (just like Vin's "luck" was incredibly limited compared to what she can do now!) However, the idea is that pretty much all of the "basic" Metals can be ingested unintentionally, and pretty much everyone has at least a few of them in their stomachs at any given time.
Mistborn, since they are able to burn any metal, know they can get away with burning stuff like atium, gold, electrum, duralumin, etc. However, common people wouldn't even dream of wasting such precious metals unless they were sure it would work, or they didn't mind gagging up a few rare metals if it didn't. Atium Mistings, if they even exist, would be tremendously rare because Atium itself is worth a fortune, and nobody wants to swallow any in case they can't use it. Sure, they could probably puke most of it up again (like Vin did with the lead ball) but if it's only a slim chance, normal folks probably wouldn't waste their time.
Heck, for all we know all Nobles have some sort of Allomantic power; it's just that the people who seem "normal" either have yet to Snap or only have the ability to work with one of the more exotic metals -- and would think it a waste to try them all and see.
It's even possible that there are Aluminum and Duralumin Mistings, although these would be completely useless and about the same as normal people -- albeit normal people that can break down metals in their stomachs faster than most people.
And the more I think about Aluminum and Duralumin, the more I think there ought to be an eighth pair: one metal that augments someone else's power (like an External Duralumin) and another that inhibits someone else's power (like an External Aluminum). Granted, the External-Aluminum family would be like cheating, in a way, but given the pattern, this really would make a lot of sense.
So far, what we know is that there are two metals for each type of effect: one for the Internal side of the effect, and one for the External side of the effect. The alloy and the base metal form a pair of either the Internal or External attribute of the effect, with opposite results. For example, Tin makes the user (Internal) physically sensitive, while Pewter (the alloy) makes the user (Internal) physically more durable and powerful. Together with Iron and Steel, they form the "Physical" effect family; Iron and Steel are external effects.
Similarly, Atium tells what someone else will do in the future (External, Temporal, Future = Pushing?) while Malatium tells what someone has done in the past (External, Temporal, Past = Pulling?). Gold tells what you looked like in the past, and I would assume that Electrum tells what you will do in the future (another way around Atium? This would have a similar effect to what Vin did when she observed Zane observing her future actions, correct?).
Therefore, if the Effect for the Aluminum family is "Internal, Power" there must also be another base/alloy metal group that has yet to be discovered, which will either increase or decrease another person's power. It also remains to be seen exactly to what degree the effect occurs, and how quickly or slowly the metal burns. Malatium, for example, tells you someone else's distant past, while Atium only tells you someone else's very near future. If there is a similar effect imbalance inherent in the "Power" families, then perhaps the "External, Power, Inhibition" metal only decreases the degree to which another person can use metals -- rather than snuffing them all out the way Aluminum does. On the other hand, it's possible that the "External, Power, Augmentation" metal increases someone else's power exponentially, and for an extended period of time, producing an effect much greater than Duralumin would! There's no way of knowing.
Besides, metals can also have side-effects not necessarily reflected in their alloys or opposing families; Atium speeds up your reaction time so you can make sense of the future-images in time to act on them. Malatium, however, does not seem to have an observable effect on the user's thinking processes. In theory, Atium shouldn't even be able to speed up the user's thought processes, as it is generally considered an External effect.
There are exceptions to every rule, I suppose.
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It makes me wonder if the inquisitor's haven't been experimenting. I mean *if* we go with the theory that they have to have one misting for each of the basic metal's to make themselves, then that would suggest that they knew about and searched for atium and other sorts of mistings....
who knows, I 'm excited for book 3, I hope some of this gets resolved!
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Oh Cosmic, it's definitely possible that there is a 15th and 16th metal--likely, even. There's a theory going around that the metal Elend ate at the Well of Ascension is one of that pair.
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Being just an atium misting might also not be of much use. What good is it seeing the future, if there's no way for you to stop the pewter powerd thug coming after you? You'd be able to dodge certainly, but you woudn't be able to do anything to hurt them really, unless you were an extremely skilled fighter. And once they corner you or your atium burns out, your toast.
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That's a good point, Comatose. I also think that the Mistborn, having significant influence, would take all the Atium for themselves and not share it with a Misting, as they would be more effective. And you can forget about a Skaa Atium Misting. Unless a Skaa slave in the Pits decided to eat one because they went crazy, they woudn't even have an opportunity to find out. It is possible that Mistings can only be of the 8 common metals. That would end the discussion on this thread, however, and that's no fun. :D
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Being just an atium misting might also not be of much use. What good is it seeing the future, if there's no way for you to stop the pewter powerd thug coming after you? You'd be able to dodge certainly, but you woudn't be able to do anything to hurt them really, unless you were an extremely skilled fighter. And once they corner you or your atium burns out, your toast.
atium misting, you dodge and stab the thug with your knife, having known exactly where he would be.
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Being just an atium misting might also not be of much use. What good is it seeing the future, if there's no way for you to stop the pewter powerd thug coming after you? You'd be able to dodge certainly, but you woudn't be able to do anything to hurt them really, unless you were an extremely skilled fighter. And once they corner you or your atium burns out, your toast.
atium misting, you dodge and stab the thug with your knife, having known exactly where he would be.
and then they continue standing and bash in your face before they die whenever their pewter runs out.
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or you run first... or stab them with your knife or slit their throat. I think I wouldn't mind being an atium misting, if for any reason but that it'd let me live a little longer. I can imagine a thief would love to have that ability.
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You would never get away from someone burning Pewter. It would be a great asset for someone who is protecting a dignitary, though. It would take an insane amount of atium to keep up the power, but it would be nice to see the assassin's strike before it happens.
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Maybe I missed something here but what ever happened to the boatload of atium the Lord Ruler had? You can simply answer that he never had it and he made it up but we know he was constantly mining the stuff from the Pits of Hatsin so where did it all go?
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I think it is in that village that was circled on the inner sanctum wall, before Vin enters the well, but I can't think of the name right now.
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statlin city was circled. and i was under the same impression that that is where the atium is hidden. i don't think the lord ruler would have wanted to hide the base for his economy in the city itself in case it was ever taken. everyone assumed it was in the city so to take it (to them) would mean getting the lord ruler's atium. the lord ruler strikes me as a person who does the opposite of what people expect.
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I agree with the Statlin city theory, and I think it runs true with who the Lord ruler is. He actaully was very cautious for a person who under almost all conditions needn't fear death.
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he didn't need to fear death but that doesn't mean a really good thief (on the level of kelsier perhaps) couldn't manage to sneak away his stash of atium. putting it where they don't expect made it impossible for him to lose economic control over his empire.
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In addition, not having the stash in Luthadel meant not having to transport it to Luthadel. This would minimize the risk of the Atium shipments being hijacked. No one would suspect this, either.
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Yes, but if he wasn't shipping it to Luthadel then don't you think Elend's family would have figured that out? Or at least had some hint of it?
I'm of the mind that he used it up on something. Like keeping the Deepness under control and since he died, he couldn't feed it any more atium and thereby it grew more powerful.... I don't know, maybe not, but I do think it's gone because he used it on something.
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that does seem like a possibility charity but i doubt he would have used it all. it was after all the economic foundation for his entire empire. i get the feeling the ventures shipped the metal into the city and the lord ruler then moved it out. maybe using a few skaa and then having them killed when their job was finished.
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I'm with Charity on this one, I'm thinking he used it all up somehow. While yes it was supposedly where all his wealth came from I believe that was all just a front. This is supported by the fact that absolutely noone(or at least it's not mentioned) has actual seen a large quantity of it at any one place. Also, he feeds the illusion by selling just a little bit to various nobles along way. What he used it on I'm not exactly sure but maybe it's used in the process of making inquisitors or maybe it was used to fight off the well spirit. I'm not sure but my gut tells me he used all of it or most of it in some way.
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That wouldn't be any fun at all. If he used that much of it, he would have noticed the amount that Straff was keeping for himself (you know he would have). The Lord Ruler was all about control. He controlled the nobles by allowing them to fight amongst themselves, and the best way to do that is to supply their most powerful weapons (Mistborn) with the most powerful metal. He would dole it out very carefully, so he'd probably have plenty to spare, even with the Atium used to make a spike for each Inquisitor (my theory).
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my thoughts exactly. and besides the lord ruler himself was an allomancer. he wouldn't want to have a bunch of other mistborn running around with a lot more atium than he himself had now would he.
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The Lord Ruler was so powerful that I doubt he really concerned himself with other mistborn, look at how he tossed Vin around and she's supposedly the most powerful mistborn there was (or is now) and she needed the mists to help her.
Plus IMO it's way more fun to have the atium all gone then to have everyone discover it and then fight over it.
Also, why would the Lord Ruler notice that Straff was hoarding Atium when he was reshipping it somewhere but not if he was using it? He would have noticed it either way or neither way.
I think it was a front, and that the Inquisitor's were in on it... the only flaw in my theory is that of Marsh, if it was used in some way that the inquisitor's were aware of (like CM said perhaps) then how come Marsh doesn't know? Or if he does why did he keep it from them? If the Inquisitor's were in on it, MAYBE he just hadn't learned that before everything went down the tubes...
Also, why are the Inquisitor's up destroying all of the Keeper's? What are they trying to hide? I think it's all tied together... maybe this just comes from reading to much, but I don't think author's leave holes in plots (multiple holes) without them intertwining, (obviously) in this case I think the Atium missing and the Inquisitor behavior is linked, I think they are trying to keep the truth hidden, whatever truth that is...
I mean, they killed all the skaa that had anything to do with them (in the Cantacle... or whatever it's called). Why? Maybe they knew something, like what the atium was being used for? And since the we know this is a world affected by metals on mulitple levels, including the writing etched on the walls that Sazed finds, why is it not plausible that atium has more than one use?
Just my thoughts... But, EUOL has a tendency to throw my preconceived idea's of how plots are supposed to run out the window. That's why I like his work so much.
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I agree. I hardly think the Lord Ruler feared any other mistborn. Just look at how he brushe aside Kelsier one of the greatest mistborn to have ever lived. The Lord Ruler truly thought he was and god and that he was invincible. So giving out atium here and there to nobles and their mistborn would not concern him in any way. As far as the abnormal behavior of the inquisitors go, I think it's due to the well spirit controlling them to do various things in prepartion for and to assist in it's escape.
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First off, Kelsier was far from the most powerful who ever lived. Vin's Kandra mentioned the fact that Allomancers of the present were far less powerful than those of the past. Plus, he didn't know of Duralumin. The Lord Ruler was attempting to breed out Feruchemy from his own people, both to destroy any history but his own and to prevent someone else from becoming a Ferchemist/Allomancer hybrid. He doesn't leave anything to chance. He would not lose control of this item.
It would not surprise me that the Inquisitors had some knowledge of where the stash was, as they were probably assigned to protect it. However, their actions post lord ruler are not their own. They are being controlled by an evil force (see the comprehensive metalurgy thread), and they killed the Skaa at the Conventicle of Seran in order to create new Inquisitors, as Hemallurgy requires a blood sacrifice.
Finally, the writings etched in steel were made because they could not be manipulated. Words written or etched in paper, and even the memories stored in metal minds could be changed by this same evil force. This is why Kwaan etches his diary in steel.
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The Lord Ruler has had thousands of years to get lazy, he knows that the Mistborns are weaker, he doesn't anticipate any resistance, he makes this clear when he discusses how tired of all these 'attempts'. Or how he casually throws Marsh aside, and doesn't even bat an eye to check on whether he's still a threat, he's over confident.
We do not know that's why the Skaa in the conventicle were killed, that's purely speculation, for me as well as you. I agree they are being controlled, but I also think they know something.
My point about the writing was that the metals can be used in multiple ways for multiple purposes, so why can't atium?
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I know it's speculation, but it just makes so much sense, especially showing the spikes with blood on them? Why would EUOL show this to us, and have Sazed think how it looked just like an Inquisitor's spike, then show all the dead and mangled bodies? EUOL even has Sazed speculate how Marsh hasn't really been specific about how Inquisitors are created, and the Marsh seemed "different". He even just up and disappeared the next day, after conveniently showing Sazed Kwaan's writing while not giving him enough time to read the whole thing. There didn't seem to be any other purpose for going there.
My point about the writing was that the metals can be used in multiple ways for multiple purposes, so why can't atium?
I agree. I still think the Lord Ruler would keep a stash. Now, if you are suggesting that the Inq's took it all after he died, I could go with that.
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Okay, I can see him keeping a stash, not getting rid of it all. But I don't think its this massive cache that everyone is expecting, I still think it's been used elsewhere.
And the Inq.'s taking it with them? hmm, interesting idea.
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The Inquisitors couldn't have taken the atium with them from Kredi Shaw because Marsh killed all of the ones there at the time. The only way they could have taken all of the atium is if it were stored else where in the Final Empire.
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My guess would be Statlin City, the circle sity on the Lord Ruler's map.
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My guess would be Statlin City, the circle sity on the Lord Ruler's map.
That's was my point. It's probably a safehouse the Lord Ruler created while there were still realistic threats to his existence. Even though he may have no longer felt anyone could challenge him, old habits die hard. Besides that, letting people think the Atium was in Kredik Shaw turned out to be a good trap for Skaa thieves, especially Allomancers.
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I'm of the mind that he used it up on something. Like keeping the Deepness under control and since he died, he couldn't feed it any more atium and thereby it grew more powerful.... I don't know, maybe not, but I do think it's gone because he used it on something.
I've been wondering, recently, why atium is so special. It's the only metal Brandon made up for Mistborn, it's only produced in one place--and its a very peculiar place, at that. It seems far too unique to just be used for... Allomancy.
I've also always wondered about how the Lord Ruler keeps Ruin under control. In WoA, Vin describes its power like you burn it away in an instant and then it's gone. Well, obviously, the Lord Ruler didn't do a very good job--Ruin is still prevalent (though you can't exactly 'defeat' a force of nature, not totally). The point is, after he burned the Well's power away, there was something he was doing by simply existing that kept Ruin/Deepness away.
Using atium could be how he does it. I understand others' concern about the Lord Ruler's control over the economy, but in reality, he doesn't care. That's the whole point of MB1, to show that this self-proclaimed "god" isn't a god. He's not incredibly smart or anything, he just has lots of magical power. He lets house wars go out of control to keep the nobility in check. His obligators see everything that goes on. He has plenty of control to go around.
Plus, having him stave off the Deepness gives him quite a bit of control in the world, you have to admit.
I agree with charity, there could still be some atium as a cache, but the Lord Ruler wouldn't need all of it. No way. He's been using it.
I know it's speculation, but it just makes so much sense, especially showing the spikes with blood on them? Why would EUOL show this to us, and have Sazed think how it looked just like an Inquisitor's spike, then show all the dead and mangled bodies? EUOL even has Sazed speculate how Marsh hasn't really been specific about how Inquisitors are created, and the Marsh seemed "different". He even just up and disappeared the next day, after conveniently showing Sazed Kwaan's writing while not giving him enough time to read the whole thing. There didn't seem to be any other purpose for going there.
Marsh was looking for something, actually, but didn't find it.
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what was marsh looking for?
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We don't know. Whatever it was, it wasn't at the Conventical of Seran, at least not anymore.
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Or was Ruin just bringing him there so that Sazed would find the rubbing, and just made him think that he was trying to find something?
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That's what I think happened. He vanished shortly afterwards.
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I think Marsh found whatever it was he was looking for. We just haven't been informed as to what it was and Marsh simply played it off, to Sazed, that he did not find anything.
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Didn't anyone else find it odd how Marsh left Sazed alone to explore for a while, but was suddenly in a big hurry once Sazed found the plaque? There was no real reason why they couldn't have waited until Sazed read the whole thing, except of course for the fact that the last line blew the entire prophecy out of the water! That section of the story was practically beating us over the head with how "different" Marsh seemed to be acting, especially when you look back on it knowing what we know now. Marsh definitely completed his task there, which I believe was to restore the Prophecy of the Hero. If Sazed had read that last line, Marsh would have killed him right there. Instead, it was placed on a rubbing, and then in metalminds, both of which could be manipulated.
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My thoughts exactly.
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OK, here's a theory about Electrum. Would it not be possible for someone with electrum do the same thing as with atium, they see before hand that they are going to get stabbed or die, so they are able to avoid it, which would split their atium shadow the other person is seeing in two, which would make the chain reaction of shadow you normally get with two atium burners.
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That's possible, although we would have to know how far into the future electrum allows you to see.
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Well, malatium allowed Vin to see a thousand years into the past to see the Lord Ruler before the Ascension. Electrum could see similarly far.
That, or the amount of time you can see is just based on the speed of the plot, and nothing especially theoretical.
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But gold can look very far back as well, perhaps malatium just looked far back because the lord ruler is so old, but since electrum is a future metal, like atium, I think it would see a similar distance, since the past metals both do.
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I can't remember exactly, but doesn't gold show you different possibe versions of yourself based on past choices? This is a little different than viewing your past. I wonder how that could be helpful. anyway, does that mean that electrum lets you see more than one possible future version of yourself? I am not sure if it would help with Atium directly, but it could help you decide to not do something that would put you in a situation where you might die.
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I'm lost... which ones electrum?
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darxbane, I think your description of gold's effect is correct. And you're not the only one who wonders how that could be helpful. :) IIRC, Kelsier says that's why gold pretty much never gets used.
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Gold is really only useful as a self examination tool, it's really too distracting to even think of using in a fight, even if it did help.
Darxbane you a corrrect, but Malatium still does the same thing as gold, showing possible selves. The images of the lord ruler are who he could have been had he made differnet choices, one was to be a packman like he was supposed to be, i forget the other one.
Wait, what was the other one, do you think it's significant???
I think it would be sort of liek Vin is doing with Zane at the end, seeing you're own fate, so that would change what you are about to do. and doing so would give you another shadow.
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I am now wondering why Vin felt so strange when she touched one of her shadows. I keep wanting to say Time Travel. A chance to enact that choice. I am reaching I know.
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Atium: Seer/Oracle would be cool. I think Seer works best.
Malatium (eleventh metal): Hmmm... maybe... Historian? 'Cause they see other people's pasts.
Gold: No idea. Maybe... Soul-searcher, or just Searcher?
Electrum: Was this metal ever even used? This could be Oracle.
Aluminum: Losers. Heh... all they can do is make themselves have no metals.
Duralumin: Losers as well... It's useless without other metals.