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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Natalie Perkins on January 18, 2008, 05:47:10 AM
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This has been bugging me for quite some time and I was originally planning to simply wait for the annotations to possibly explain it but I can't. I have no patience... I must inquire:
When Zane is dying and "God" is telling him that of course he wouldn't tell Zane to kill Vin and that Zane was never insane in the first place.
Are those throwaway lines? Or do we find out more information about it?
It's been uber bugging me.
Oh and another thing:
Will we ever find out what EXACTLY gold is? That's been bugging me as well... it doesn't seem complete. I don't know, maybe I'm just completely dense and need everything explained to me in crystal clear detail... but it never hurts to ask. (Though my Honors Biology teacher would probably disagree... I thoroughly annoyed the hell out of him freshman year. I can't help it if I don't understand the concept of ribosomes. Sorry... I'm ranting. But seriously, whatever someone can tell me would be great!)
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I can't tell you. Ha ha ha ha!
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I can't tell you. Ha ha ha ha!
Am I pethetic if that reminds me of the "Noah" act by Bill cosby?
And as I understand it gold is a substance that shows you the past, present, and most likely future of someone you look at.
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I wasn't one of the chosen few that got to read book 3, so everything I say would just be speculation at best. However, since I don't want to give anything away to those that haven't finished book 2 and we don't have an invisible text color that only shows when you highlight, I will keep my comments to a minimum.
First off, I thought Gold showed you glimpses of yourself had you made different choices. This is pretty much useless because it is like dwelling on the past. However, Vin may use it in conjunction with malatium in book 3 to see how she and those around her might have been different had she made a different choice at the end of book 2.
Second, I highly doubt that the voices in Zane's head are afterthoughts. Vin's mother heard voices too and it seems to be an integral part of the story so I doubt this is the last we will hear of it. Perhaps they both heard the same speaker, almost 10+ years apart.
To further throw stuff against the wall to see what sticks, perhaps this voice told Vin's mother to perform a ritual on one of her daughters involving a gold earring and the death of her other daughter, somewhat similar to the creation of an inquisitor. If they were the same voice, the speaker might have turned Vin into what she was and did not want her to be killed by Zane.
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Umm, maybe I'm wrong, or maybe everyone already figured this out (and this probably needs a spoiler warning, but...) I kinda thought the voice Zane was hearing was whatever came out of the Well.
I don't know, it's been awhile since I read it, and I'm kinda afraid to pick it up again.
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I read that too... but it seems slightly incomplete to me. Maybe I should just give my brain a rest. It may be overthinking things.
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Zane's entire character is foreshadowing for book three.
I leave gold intentionally vague, I'm afraid, even by the end of book three. I do this in novels, particularly when I feel that I might do more books in a world later on. The events of books two and three don't lend me to spending much time on gold or malatium, so I figure I'll save really digging into them when I can have a character more focused on them. (I'd someday, for instance, like to do a Malatium or gold Misting and see if I can do anything interesting with them.)
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Interesting I didnt think a misting could specialize on any of the high metals. So there could be an atium misting??
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If I understood Mistings correctly, they can specialize in only one metal, but it can be any metal. I am not sure if that is correct, as per Brandon's way of thinking, but that was how I read and understood them.
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Mistings are people born with the ability to burn a specific metal. They don't get to choose it, thought that would make for an interesting society.
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I can't say too much without spoilers for Mistborn 3, but suffice it to say that if I were to write more books in this world, I would want to do some new things with the magic. Some events at the end of Mistborn 3 have large ramifications on the way the magic works and the way the setting would proceed.
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I can't say too much without spoilers for Mistborn 3, but suffice it to say that if I were to write more books in this world, I would want to do some new things with the magic. Some events at the end of Mistborn 3 have large ramifications on the way the magic works and the way the setting would proceed.
You know.. this reminds me greatly of RJ's favorite comment. "Read and Find Out"...
*shrugs* just struck me that way.
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So, I'm guessing that burning duralumin when you are already burning atium allows you to see much further than a couple seconds into the future....
Man, October can't come soon enough. Any chance MB3 gets pushed forward if we say pretty please?
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I can't tell you. Ha ha ha ha!
Am I pethetic if that reminds me of the "Noah" act by Bill cosby?
And as I understand it gold is a substance that shows you the past, present, and most likely future of someone you look at.
Not at all. Since that's what I was thinking. If you'll notice by my forum title. I am a god.
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I hate talking about things like this, since I don't want to feel that I'm dangling bits of information in front of my readers. I think, perhaps, this is why Mr. Jordan was so fond of the phrase which has been mentioned.
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Yes, yes, but there is great joy in trying to get those small pieces of information out of an author.. part of it is the challenge, the other part is that some people just want to know all the details of a world.
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If I understood Mistings correctly, they can specialize in only one metal, but it can be any metal. I am not sure if that is correct, as per Brandon's way of thinking, but that was how I read and understood them.
That's what I thought, too, but somewhere in book 2 Vin "asked Clubs to burn bronze". Since Clubs is a smoker (copper burner) I didn't understand how that was possible.
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If I understood Mistings correctly, they can specialize in only one metal, but it can be any metal. I am not sure if that is correct, as per Brandon's way of thinking, but that was how I read and understood them.
That's what I thought, too, but somewhere in book 2 Vin "asked Clubs to burn bronze". Since Clubs is a smoker (copper burner) I didn't understand how that was possible.
This bothered me to, but I assumed it was simply a mistake that slipped by, rather than indicative of Clubs being a special misting/mistborn hybrid
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Yes, it's a mistake (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=5510.msg115710).
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Ok, my thought on this is that since Zane had a spike, he had gone part of the way towards becoming an Inquisitor, so like Marsh, he could hear the voice of the thing in the well, and it had some control over him. And, I always thought there was something strange about the way Vin's mother killed her sister, seemed very ritualistic. And, considering that her father was a highly ranked obligator, it makes me say hmmm..... Anyway, that's just my two cents. I can't wait until October. Thanks Brandon for creating a world that has captured my interest like this. It's been a long time since I have felt so engaged by a series.
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Give it up to the most origanol magic system in the past decade, *clapclapclap -whistlewolfwhistle-* and I'm spent.
But yes, I forsee the spikes, vin's mother, zane *obviously*, the afterlife, inquisitor fights and flights, mistings that burn past the eight basics, and much more.
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Ok, my thought on this is that since Zane had a spike
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Zane has a spike? How the heck did I miss that?!
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its easy to miss its only mentioned briefly. if i recall its mentioned when he leaves his fathers camp and gets his mistcloak and atium. he says he never liked wearing it because of they way his spike protruded from his back. or something along those lines.
i am sure it will be explained in Hero of the Ages.
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Whoa... I missed the thing about the spike too.
How is this possible??? I'm such a thorough reader...
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Whoa... I missed the thing about the spike too.
How is this possible??? I'm such a thorough reader...
I'd have to go back and read but I didn't think it said "spike" even though that's what I assumed it was. I thought it used a different word, more like a bump or protrusion.
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It is only briefly talked about right before Zane goes to the final confrintation between him and Vin. He runs from Straff's tent into the night to a small tree down by the river. He then pulls out his atium, and mistcloak, which he says he doesn't wear because he doesn't like the way it rubs against protusion in his back made from a spear tip lodged in him from a wound earlier in his life. Hope this helped.
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I agree that was my thought as well. Just finished Well last night.
Ok, my thought on this is that since Zane had a spike, he had gone part of the way towards becoming an Inquisitor, so like Marsh, he could hear the voice of the thing in the well, and it had some control over him. And, I always thought there was something strange about the way Vin's mother killed her sister, seemed very ritualistic. And, considering that her father was a highly ranked obligator, it makes me say hmmm..... Anyway, that's just my two cents. I can't wait until October. Thanks Brandon for creating a world that has captured my interest like this. It's been a long time since I have felt so engaged by a series.
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i thought the spike was something zane was born with - which begs the question of why/when/how did the steel inquisitors start shoving metal ice picks into themselves in the first place?
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this is actually one of the things that been nagging at me about Zane. i recall him rubbing his chest where there was a bump there (presumably the front of the spike) and then that he didn't wear the mistcloak because of the way it rubbed the protrusion from his back. but anyway, i also seem to recall him saying that he had the spike for as long as he could remember. so how long has he had it? i think it's pretty safe to say at this point that the well spirit was probably the voice. so if Zane can be believed, then he had the spike and the voice of "god" most of his life. that would mean that the well spirit was controlling him for 20 years (give or take). that seems like an awful long time if the well spirit simply intended him to die at vin's hands all along. it just seems like an insane amount of time and it seems indicative of a much larger scheme than we're aware of.
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How much bigger can the scheme get? The thing created and continuously adapted an entire prophecy and religious belief in order to trick someone into freeing it, and has apparently been doing so for thousands of years. Zane's role was probably to test Vin's character. Remember, the Well Spirit wants someone who would choose to do "the right thing" and give away the power to save the world. If Vin could be corrupted by Zane and choose power, she wasn't the right one for the job.
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thats a good point but thats a twenty year investment not to mention that zane is older than vin and i doubt the well spirit could have known that vin would be born. unless of course it knew there had to be a hero of the ages whether or not it was vin specifically. i suppose he could have just wanted to make sure he a had a zane to test whoever the hero turned out to be.
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Or, perhaps Zane was just a fortunate accident, for the Sprit at least
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Well, even if it doesn't know about Vin, he can still use Zane to kill people. I mean, its name is Ruin. It tends to want to destroy things.
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lol i suppose that's true. still, i hope we learn about Zane's backstory more in HoA. :)
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I'm sure we will, that's not the type of thing that he would leave out, I think it has to get resolved before the end.