I generally think that the youngest child acts young for their age. I actually placed her at about seventeen in my mind--which means I'll probably need to increase Vivena's age a bit, since there are two children between them.
Any thoughts?
I haven't had time to read any of it, but from a woman's point of view, I would rather do ANYTHING than cry in front of people who are putting me in a situation that makes me feel ready to cry. I might feel like it inside and even possibly look/feel off on the outside, but I wouldn't fall apart until after leaving the room.
Then I'd go to the bathroom, kick my shoes off so that they dent the ceiling, and hope my girlfriends were there comforting me so I didn't punch a hole in the wall. (Yes, this has happened in real life.)
So I finished reading chapters 15 and 16.
Not a whole lot to say. I was wondering if it was really necessary to seperate Siri's storyline in chapter 15. Not sure if it would make a big difference other than you would have one less break.
I'm also wondering if your number values are a little inflated with the number of breaths people are holding. 500 breaths, that's like a small high school. The king having two breaths a day for 50 years is 36,500 breadths, or a little more than the population of Liechtenstein or roughly a third of the population of Paris in 1500 A.D.
It seems as though almost everyone who isn't a priest or returned must have given up their breaths. That would make for one rather sick society.
Last night, Stephen Colbert aired a segment on Wikipedia in which he discussed "wikiality," the process of creating the reality one wants to believe in.
Years ago, to gain a copyright, you had to fill out a form and send in the material to the Library of Congress. Now you just use the word "copyright," add your name and a date, and publish it. What could be easier? Apparently simplicity was more than some people could handle, so they invented Creative Commons to add some artificial paperwork and complexity to the mechanism. And it seems to actually weaken the copyrights you have coming to you without Creative Commons. Oh, brother!
Will this nonsense ever end?
This is the oddest thread to catch the end of... Â ???
Cast-iron underwear.
;D Thats funny!!
That stuff has gott chafe...and rust. Give me titanium with rounded edges (i.e. "comfort fit") any day. ;D
On another note, where is EUOL?
Hmm... Warbreaker is certainly not meant as a YA novel. Have you read Brandon's other books that have been published so far? As far as I know, it's supposed to appeal to the same crowd.
I think one thing that could help the story is an evil character.
It seems Lightsong is being set up to find something meaningful to offer his life for in sacrifice...but what? Â Speculations: is it possible for a Returned to give life to a Lifeless? Â Something relating to Siri, as she's the one who has rewoken his interest in life? Â Something to do with Llarimar, since Lightsong has the most connection with him? Â Something completely random; in some ways fitting given Lightsong's somewhat random approach to life?
I still worry about the similarities. The thing is, I wrote ELANTRIS seven years ago, so these themes--the person becoming a god in particular--are things I haven't dealt with in a long, long time in my view. However, to other people, it's going to seem a lot closer.
Matt,
Could you state, more specifically, which of the arguments you feel are straw men? I'm aware of what that means, and I think I've got the scenes you're talking about, but I'm not quite certain (on the Siri one especially) where you are finding the characters to be less sophisticated than the reader.
I also started to wonder if Llarimar weren't a faithful lieutenant of Lightsong in a past life, but some sort of traitor.
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The idea of Nightblood having some mythic historical role in the Manywar is intriguing.
Okay, after long being behind, I've caught up.
What strikes me from reading and from discussion in this forum is how adult this book is. Well, the whole sex thing. It's not something you've touched on much in previous books. The noisemaking Siri does is particularly graphic. It presents a clearer picture of what sex supposedly sounds like than I ever had until well beyond age 13.
I'm not sure what to make of that.
I think the book probably is a bit slow. When I draft a novel, I tend to go through and cut about 15% just to keep the pacing up. I haven't done that for this book, so that will help. After that, I'll have to look and see if I need to speed anything up plotting-wise.
I think I'll also try to make it less of a 'mystery' that all the previous God Kings gave their lives away at that point. It can be widely known, I think, but still a surprise to an outsider, if I work it right.
I kind of halfways suspect he was Arsteel, but I can't remember everything that's been said about that guy, so maybe it's impossible.
A CLIFFHANGER?!?!?!?!?!
???Brandon, where are you I NEED the next chapter... THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME arghehhahr hohsf.
I hope your tour is going wonderfully though! ;)
Also, how does Susebron eat with no tongue? I can see why he was taught he needed to take in only small pieces of food and eat slowly--wouldn't he choke if he were cramming whole pastries into his mouth?
Also, how does Susebron eat with no tongue? I can see why he was taught he needed to take in only small pieces of food and eat slowly--wouldn't he choke if he were cramming whole pastries into his mouth?
I don't know that his entire tongue has been cut out, just enough to keep him from speaking, if I had to guess I would say that is what happened.
Quote from: davidbI kind of halfways suspect he [Lightsong] was Arsteel, but I can't remember everything that's been said about that guy, so maybe it's impossible.
I had thought about this initially, too, but Lightsong has been a god for five years, and Arsteel's death was more recent.
It wouldn't surprise me if Peprin somehow dies for Vivenna -- you know, jumps in front of an arrow meant for her or something like that.
MattD
“Vasher,” Tonk Fah said. “Killed a good friend of ours over in Yarn Dred a couple months back. Denth used to have four people in his team.”
“It shouldn’t have happened,” Jewels said. “Arsteel was a brilliant duelist--almost as good as Denth himself. Vasher’s never been able to beat either of them. But, Arsteel died with a dueling blade through the chest.”
This is true... I wonder what they're going to do now that he's been used against them...
How's this for some far-out speculation: Lightsong uses his breath to heal Susebron's tongueless state, and Susebron weighs in on the Idrian side of the war. :)
She (Vivenna) nodded. “Teach me.”
To the side Jewels got out a small pump and stuck a small hose into Clod’s shoulder, into a little clasp that had apparently been designed for the purpose. She began to pump the Ichor-alcohol into the veins, moving the pump very slowly, probably in order to keep from bursting the veins.
“Well,” Denth said, “there are a lot of commands. However, if you want to bring a rope to life--like that one you tried to use back in the alleyway--a good Commmnad is ‘hold things.’ Speak it with a clear voice, willing your Breath to act. (pg. 200-201 Warbreaker part 3)
He couldn’t have died from sickness, she (Vivenna) realized. Or from old age. Austre!
I wonder, is this turn of events (in the last few chapters) with Vivenna too clichéd? I've seen some things like this occasionally in books, but I went ahead and did it anyway because it really seemed to fit what I wanted for her character.
“Can’t fool me,” the old man (Lemks) whispered, eyes still unfocused. “Your torture is nothing to me. I won’t give it up. Not to you.”He would not give up his breath not to just anyone. Only, once he realized it was Vivenna there he eventually gave it to her.
Holy cow!!! I didn't know that it was that long!!! Yeah for long books!
Regarding Denth and Tonk, I never understood why they didn't just betray her as soon as they saw her and she had taken the breaths.
Well we now know that they could hide their breaths anyhow, as Vivenna just did, so I don't see how not drawing attention to themselves with extra breath would be a very valid reason for letting Vivenna carry them. <shrug>
I'm sure there will be sometime, EUOL runs on his own time schedule which means a Wednesday post could be Thursday at 1am.
Can anyone answer amy's question about Blushweaver?
If in fact we suppose Denth's employer is Blushweaver. She is trying to gather the lifeless codes why would she allow/order Denth to work against her own armies?
Also, why does blushweaver yell at Siri? That has been a few chapters back but I don't think she actually believes that siri is sleeping with lightsong... she just doesn't like Siri? I meant to ask about this but never got to it...
But this is still much supposition saying that Denth is in Blushweaver's pay.
Why do I have this itching desire for things to blow up in Blushweaver's face. If in fact she is the one orchestrating things.
I'm also still trying to figure out why they tortured the parrot...that was just so wrong. :o
MattD
Something that's been playing at my mind for a bit is why does he automatically assume she ran away? He knew that Vasher was watching her, and the best way for your enemy's plans to go down the drain (or at least have a major set-back) is to take away their best weapon. What does he have going on that he thinks would make her run away?
I'm also still trying to figure out why they tortured the parrot...that was just so wrong. :o
I think that was mostly to show a character trait. If you think about it the monkey was also tortured, so my thought has always been just that it's something he does... he gets bored with a pet so he tortures them.
(From Tjaden, posted yesterday:) She (Vivenna) keeps putting herself in places where she questions her ability to judge people, and place herself above them. While these are admirable qualities, they should not be in a princess. Vivena is constantly being shown as more naïve than Siri – which bothers me on a few occasions.
I don't know if naive is the right word for Vivenna. She was the "perfect child" growing up. She seems to never have allowed herself to question much of anything--her religion, her destiny, her upbringing. She only had been taught one worldview and didn't realize that other peoples' views might be just as valid and reasoned.
[Vivenna] is smarter than that
I see the point that Vivenna hasn't shown too much extreme intellegence... I would have to say that she must be fairly smart considering her father wants her to rule Idris. I think that in itself would be saying something in itself.
On the prostitution thing... I think it would be better if she didn't actually consider becomming one but she maybe thought that she now sees how one could resort to that.
About selling her hair, she would have to be able to find someone who would trust her to pay her in advance at least for the first time since she doesn't have the energy to grow her hair out again. She would also have to trust them with the secret that she can grow out her hair like that. It's not such a bad idea except for the fact that she's completely alone and trying to stay hidden. And now... she's kind of kidnapped again...
What I am still concerned with is - why hasn't Vivena even *asked* about a way to contact Siri?
- When Vivenna says "But, the Idrians here in the slums--I’ve seen their strength. I know that they are more wise in these areas than I am." Has she earned that knowledge?
Speculation
I don't think it works, but it would be clever if Vivenna and Siri's father was the one behind the warmongering. That would explain his certainty in the early chapters that war would happen; his thinking that sending a daughter would be a "sacrifice"; and after all, Hallendren was his family's kingdom before the Manywar, he has the most reason -- the only solid reason I think we've been presented with -- to want war.
Vasher laughed a barking laugh, and Vivenna flushed. Her hair--responding to her mood for the first time since her shock at seeing peprin dead--turned red.Peprin needs capitalized.
Can someone without Breath (a Drab) sense the Breaths of someone else who has one or many?
A Drab can sense breaths in others, only it is more difficult. Anyone can easily see the auras of the Returned, but to see that of someone with far fewer breaths requires either close examination or the heightened sense of color provided by BioCroma.
Actually, the squirrel is another thing that niggled at me–it seemed a rather smart squirrel. Perhaps Vasher is good at picking squirrels.
I'm glad you're liking Warbreaker. The book is actually 59 chapters
long, so with 43 being up today, we're over 2/3 of the way done.
Vasher, from now on, takes a much larger role in the book. I was afraid
to use him too much early on lest I spoil the mystery surrounding his
motives and the like.
I think Brandon said somewhere that Awakeners can't control how much breath goes into something, only guess and chose what to awaken based on that.
Also, we don't know how Returning works or if a baby can Return. I would think that Returning babies scattered throughout the empire would be difficult to cover; anyone with that much BioCroma will be difficult to cover up or move unnoticed.
was it created by using a Returned's (god) breath, one with a dark presence unlike Lifesong's heroic one. The name, Nightblood, is even like that of a Returned God. Makes me ask, was there ever a Returned named Nightblood.
It bugs me how Vasher won't answer her questions though. I wish he would/could be more open... if even just a little about nightblood. We don't even have an idea of why he/(it?) would make her sick when she touched it. It seemed like it was a test or something from their first meeting... anybody have any guesses about him, because I don't really?
| Alive | Dead | Organic | Inorganic | Incorporeal | |
| Heightened | Awakeners | God King? | ? | Nightblood? | Austre |
| Sentient | Humans | Returned | ? | Nightblood? | Ghosts |
| Mindless | Plants, animals | Lifeless | Awakened stuff | ? | ? |
| Drained | Drabs | Ordinary dead stuff | Ordinary cloth, etc. | Ordinary swords, etc. | Nothing |
What really struck me was was Vasher's reaction to Vivenna's mention of Clod. It looks like Clod was someone important to him, and I would be willing be willing to bet that Jewels is a Drab because she used her breath to Awaken him.
But I think that is totally in keeping with his character. He is used to being alone, looked upon with fear, and being able to do as he pleases with no one to answer to, well excet maybe a higher power. I am not totally sure that Vasher is working for anyone other than himself, but wouldn't it be a wonderful twist if he was actually working for Vivenna's father? Trying to keep the Idrians in the slums from rising up against the Hallendrens sounds like something the king might be working towards. It would keep the war from being so imminent (sp?) and we all know he is very interested in that :)
"No, no, never send interim reports," said Miles. "Only final ones. Interim reports tend to elicit orders. Which you must then either obey, or spend valuable time and energy evading, which you could be using to solve the problem."(from Lois McMaster Bujold's Brothers in Arms
Never ascribe to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice.
“Aren’t you an Idrian?” Vasher asked, drawing her attention as he settled down.
“Last I checked,” she replied.
This is Lightsong. Remember, our last chapter form him was the short two paragraph one.
The man hung from the ceiling, naked and chainedI thought that he was hung when I first read this, perhaps "Chains hung the naked prisoner to the ceiling" or something of the like -- emphasizing not hanging, but chains.
If Breath needs to extract color/chroma (which is reflected/refracted light) from the surrounding environment to work, then if there is no light it might not be usable. And it might be more difficult to use if there was minimal light. I guess the question is whether the graying of surrounding material is a matter of chemistry or physics.I agree, but when reading the draft -- those things made me think of certain elements that I did not think that Brandon wanted his audience to think of. Therefore, I thought I might point it out.
I think that "biochroma" is the same sort of word as "bioluminescence" -- specifically involving life ("bio-"), in this case the "colors of life." There's also actually a difference in meaning between "hanged" (executed) and "hung" (suspended from).
MattD
Could you re-use something that had been used? For an example, using the scarfs that Vivenna used recently, what if Vasher took one of them to a dyer and had them dye it a bright green or blue? Could it be re-used?
Can a dead Returned God be made into a Lifeless?
Can breaths be used to control people?
I don't think there is conservation of energy when Awakening and Commanding, however....
Vadia--
Speaking of anal... ;)
I think the convention is that the Halladrens don't speak English (that would be an even bigger coincidence than them reinventing Freud), so Brandon has helpfully translated their speech and their slang into something that would make sense to his audience, all at no extra charge.
It's possible, just thought that perhaps Brandon would have liked my comments. . . or not whatever.
I actually agree, vadia: "anal" felt a little wrong to me, too. Mainly I think because I couldn't see someone so freely admitting that they were called "the Anal."
... we don't need to pick out gramatical errors... there are people who will be paid to do that before the book is printed.
I agree that it seems kind of romance novel at the start of the chapter, but I don't think you can have romance in a book without some of it sounding that way.
As far as I can tell (and despite Vasher's explanation), Breath seems to be, conceptually, an animating force rather than a lifeforce.
As far as I can tell (and despite Vasher's explanation), Breath seems to be, conceptually, an animating force rather than a lifeforce.
Unless you are wrong -- for the Returned it does seem to be a life-force and not an animating force. (maybe they should have an ichor alcohol transfusion. du!)
She grimaced, then did as told, putting her Breath into her shirt with a basic, and non-active, Command. It was actually the same as giving a half-spoken Command, or one mumbled, actually. Those would draw out the Breath, but leave it unable to act.Do you mean that Vivenna gave the shirt a command like “hold things,” but mumbled it so it wouldn’t work? Or that she gave the shirt a normal command, but that if she had mumbled “hold things” it would have had the same effect? Why aren’t we told which command she used? Why doesn’t she use “my breath to yours”, like she did with the shawl in the slums?
“Two guards,” Vasher said. “Both silenced.”“Silenced” sounds like a euphemism for “killed” – or a spell in Final Fantasy – so maybe Vasher should just say “knocked unconscious” to explain how Vivenna knows they’re not dead. The phrase Vivenna uses, “work for answering”, sounds odd; something like “Will they be able to tell us what Denth wanted from Bebed’s carriage?” might sound more natural (and this even contains a mini plot recap). Finally, “silhouetted” is a funny adjective.
“Will they work for answering our questions?”
He shook a silhouetted head.
And, the way he spoke before--like a scholar--indicates he’s studied Awakening very seriously.Thank you, Princess Obvious.
The tassels wrapped like too-limber fingers around the man’s head, latching on like a squid’s tentacles.That’s a nice description, but not one I’d expect Vivenna to come up with (this is from one of her viewpoint sections), since it was emphasized earlier that the Idrians don’t have seafood, so presumably she’s never seen a live squid.
“Colorless monsters,” he whispered.I thought the Halladrens attached no stigma to being a drab? Of course, Vasher probably isn’t Halladren….
He was rough. He was brutal. He had a terrible temper. But, he was a good man. And, walking beside him, she felt safe for the first time in weeks.She felt safe -- for about five seconds, until she figured out that Vasher could be using his newly-revealed mind control powers to make her feel that way.
Night in T’Telir was very different from her homeland. There, it had been possible to see so many stars overhead that it looked like a bucket of white sand had been sprayed into the air.
Here, there were street lamps. Beyond that, there were taverns, restaurants, and other houses of entertainment. The result was a city full of lights--a little like the stars themselves had come down to inspect grand T’Telir. At first, Vivenna had been surprised at how few stars she could see in the sky, and had attributed it to the lower altitude. However, she was beginning to suspect that it was the light.
She felt safe -- for about five seconds, until she figured out that Vasher could be using his newly-revealed mind control powers to make her feel that way.
Maybe he did make her eat the squid... :D
Even as she watched, she got it wrong. The cloth wiggled across the room, butI think you meant to say "as he watched"
Of course, the mechanics of how he moved about on the ropes were far more complicated than they seemed. His Command incorporated making the rope respond to taps of his finger along its length. One had to get it just right when one spoke it, because once an Awakening happened, no further Command could be given. Awakening was different from creating a Lifeless--they had brains, and could interpret Commands and requests. The rope had none of that; it could only act on its original instructions.that line feels like you really want to catch up on explanations of the magic system and either needs to be earlier or assumed IMNSHO
You can’t tell, Vasher replied.In my tired state I read it as a question, maybe if Vasher had told the blade not to be silly or something it would have been clearer, or maybe I should go to bed.
What does it matter if he sees me practicing? she thought, flushing. It’s not like I have anything to hide.There is no pause between these thoughts and that makes it incongruous.
I’ve tried other leads, but the truth is that most everything I try seems a step behind Denth.seems is a weak word.
She still mulled over their conversation about Awakening. Less because of what he’d said. More because of the way he’d said it.again maybe it's that I'm tired but the period between said and more seemed wrong Maybe a semicolon will work.
However, she was beginning to suspect that it was the light.I thought for a second I missed something about a mystic light -- perhaps you meant city's light?
They left behind places with street lights, and even lit windows, moving into the slums.probably the places with street. . . is stronger.
Two guards,” Vasher said. “Both silenced.”silenced sounds like a euphamism for killed more than knocked out.
quietly apologizing to each onelife giving -- not animating!
Another possibility is that if Iridescence is the word of choice, then adjust the magic to play down the saturation aspect and instead make those people with many Breaths appear more iridescent and/or make them experience the colors of what they see as changing and shimmering rather than static-but-saturated.
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Vadia,
There are some good points in your post, but I have to disagree with you about having a different font or style for Nightblade. I think in general that books which have different fonts for different characters, or set off certain characters' text ~(~like this~)~ tend to look a little gimmicky. Also, I think it's important to explain the way Vasher's awakened rope works; maybe it would work better for you if that paragraph were simply a little shorter?
“Are you going to explain why you consider showing me up to be the most sincere form of compliment?”
“Of course I am,” Lightsong said. “My dear, have you ever known me to make an inflammatorily ridiculous statement without providing an equally ridiculous explanation to back it up?”
First, go to LightsongThe paragraph shift without a next or then or whatnot -- again I was confused.
I wait for Susebron to arrive
They force the God King’s priests to let him make his defense.Too many pronouns
"They're lazy," Lightsong said. "They want others to make the difficult decisions for them."
It’s not always about killing, Vasher said.This was underlined. Is it said or thought?
He and I are going to have a long talk about what he did to my sister.”He and I seems to be a bit bulky, perhaps "The two of us"
Denth coming out of the blue seems odd. Why is a merc allowed in the Godkings house anyway? I would never have expected Denth inside the palace.
I was actually rather suprised by seeing Blushweaver like that. She was the victum, right? So if she was behind the war, why would she be trapped?
Well, at least a Blushweaver-God King Priesthood-Denth connection. ;)
And so some of the questions do get answered. Very cool. Talk about plot twists. That makes both of the Sisters getting betrayed by the One Person they each thought they could trust (Denth and Havarseth)
(Usually it is followed by the "it doesn't matter because there's nothing you can do now that I've captured you, so let me reveal all my plans" device -- hopefully we avoid that here.)
“He just fell out a three story window, plummeting toward certain doom,” Denth said. “Of course he’ll live! Send the squad for the front doors to slow him!” Denth glanced at Vivenna. “You, princess, are far too much trouble for what you’re worth.”
“So people are fond of telling me,” she said with a sigh, raising her bloodied hand to her shoulder again.
Helloooo rule 3; kill her.
Denth reacted immediately, cutting the rope out of the air with his dagger. The pieces of it twisted and wiggled
"They're going to send Lifeless marching on your homeland," he said.
Who was the Second intruder when Vasher found the tunnels?
But...but...they're fighting zombies! With giant robots! That's some kind of ultimate, uh, something! You can't just set something like that up and then not deliver....
I'm wondering when the other Scholar will appear?
Of course, that didn’t work for many of the stones they passed. Though large chucks of the building were still black, a good half of it had been turned white.The second paragraph is bulky with the first.
Not just the grey of normal Awakening. They had been made a bone white. And, becoming that white, they now reacted to his incredible BioChroma, splitting back into colors. Like a circle, somehow, she thought. Colorful, then white, then back to color.
The breeze blew Siri’s hair--red, to show her displeasure--as they stood atop the palace.Breeze blew red? Did the color change have something to do with wind before?
Seems too sudden a transition of emotions, from "GO AWAY," to "well now I'm curious, who is it?"
“I don’t want to see anyone,” Susebron said. “Who are they?”
Siri paused hesitantly. Silly, she thought. This is Vivenna. I can trust her.Just an odd set of juxtaposition, and maybe a mid paragraph focus change (she, vivenna)
She’d thought she could trust Bluefingers too. Vivenna regarded her with a curious expression.
It was a quick judgment. She had gotten over chastising herself for making those, though she had learned to leave herself open to reinterpret.
“You have a group of rogue Lifeless,” Vasher said. “You’ve lost control of them.”
“I’m sorry, my lord,” the God King said.
Vasher regarded him. Then, he glanced at Vivenna. She nodded her head. “I trust him.”
But, it’s important that the reader understand that he CAN use some of his breaths, should he get his tongue back.
Okay, so I know everyone's talk about Sub being able to use breaths... but my question is this: Will he still need to get breaths from people in order to live, or will his devine breath fade after a week if he doesn't turn someone into a drab?
Also, I thought once you gave all of your breaths away you couldn't get more. It seems though that Vasher and Viv are giving theirs away and getting more later all the time. If you can do that, why don't most drabs do that?
Anyway, The question I have then, is does that make Vasher her Great great great great great great grandfather? or something?
[...]
So, he was a scholar before he was Returned.
Theyd recovered Vashers cloak, shirt, and trousers--the ones that Denth had originally taken from him. There had been enough Breath in those to split among the two of them and get them each to the Second Heightening.
I don't think that's the case, I didn't even assume Vasher was awakened until the end. I thought he was probably some other form of awakened, not like the gods.
What do people think? Would this have been too much of a hint to you as to Vasher's real nature?
First, let me say congrats on the WOT announcement. Besides getting to write the last book of a series that you are obviously a fan of, you couldn't ask for better publicity (I am sure that I am not the only one discovering your stuff as a result).
I really liked Warbreaker a lot. I think it was a great read, and I am planning on picking up MB right after the holidays (assuming nobody buys it for me, is already on my list).
There were a couple of things that I felt were left unanswered, maybe I missed something so if anyone wants to point it out, would be appreciated.
1) What was Vasher doing in the tunnel and who followed him? This was a major issue as it led to Lightsong's path to self-discovery and Mercystar giving up her lifeless, which helped accelerate things. What was he searching for? And who followed him?
2) Why did the priests need an heir at this time? Siri thinks that it is because a stilborn has already been returned, but it was months before they even began pretending that she was pregnant, which means the stillborn would have been returned for over a year before they could swap it for Siri's kid, so it was probably already too late.
Underline is a standard manuscript format indication for "put this in italics when you make the actual book." (It's easier for a copy editor to notice underlines than italics.)
(If the underlines really bother you, you can do a find/replace in Microsoft Word and replace all underlining with italics.)
- I know you wanted to do something with living Gods; I've been interested in reading about them since Elantris. However, near the beginning where you first introduce Lightsong and the Returned, there needs to be something to make the reader feel like they're actual Gods, not just overly pampered nobles with magic powers. I didn't find myself quite convinced of their Divinity, even if they are intended to be more 'human' than most Gods.
Revisions done in Version 4.0
This draft was still largely working on medium-level and large-level problems. Because of this, I havent yet spot fixed chapters. Larger changes for this version include:
A rewrite of the character Peprin, whos name has been changed to Parlin. The old name fit the old character; the new character was different enough that I wanted a new feel for his name. Peprin wasnt working, in my opinion, as he was too over-the-top. He was a little TOO dense, and we already had plenty of humor in the Vivenna sections--humor done much better and more intelligently by Denth and Tonks. I felt that Peprins goofiness was detracting from the story and wasnt gaining anything, so I backed off and made the character far less present in the narrative. In doing so, I hope to actually make him more sympathetic. This may take another draft to get right.
Vivenna is now more aware of why her father sent Siri instead of her. Readers were feeling that Vivenna was too dense in these early chapters. It was obvious to them why the king would make the change; it should have been obvious to Vivenna. I agreed as I re-read the narrative, and did a reworking here. This effected her motivations for going to TTelir in the first place, and I think strengthens her as a character.
My agent wanted more of a sense of danger in the early chapters--a better understanding of the oncoming war, the inevitability, and the threat it posed. I worked on this noticeably at the beginning in an attempt to establish better rooting interest for Idris. This also played in with Vivennas reworked motivations at the beginning.
I split the Vivenna living on the streets chapter in two and added a little bit more material there to draw out her time. I felt that having her get tossed onto the streets in one chapter, then get captured again in the very next seriously weakened this phase of the book. The reader and she both needed more time to suffer. Its still not terribly long, but I think that the slight fiddling with pacing here will have a large impact on the tempo of the story here.
Slightly better transition of Vivenna being scared of Vasher and agreeing to help him.
A lot of people were having trouble understanding 1) Why Susebron could awaken objects at the end without dying and 2) Why the statues could be Awakened in the first place. I decided that for the first, I would simply be more explicit in my explanations. For the second, I decided that I needed to revise the narrative to fix a plot hole. Hence the change to give the statues human bones, which I had considered in the first draft and discarded. I think it works better here. Both of these things are going to require a little more polishing in draft #5, but I think the climax finally has all of the explanations it needs.
I filled out what the different Heightenings are and explained them in more detail, including an Ars Arcanum.
I made a bunch of smaller changes on the paragraph or scene level to smooth the story. I probably also introduced a lot of typos in doing so. ;)
I have finished the Warbreaker and i really liked the book. However, I have to agree with rtm1981 post and some of the points he raises:
I also found Siri's and Suse's relation a bit lacking; in fact the book opens with Siri and by the end of it i feel that her storyline has been sent to much to background. I feel there is some continuity missing to her and Suse revealing to each other that they are in love and altogether I found Suse's character a bit disapointing: he's sudden transformation in the end not totally compensating for it (for example, if he never had spoken in his life, how could he suddenly now how to awaken things? were did he learn to do it?
A question about Vasher.
How can Vasher use all his breath and become a drab? Doesn't using all their breath extinguish their life?
He wasn't un-Returned, he simply changed his body (which according to Vasher anyone could do)
We know that Vasher has more information and experience with how to use Breath than pretty much anyone else currently living. Vasher has some way of Returning and un-Returning himself. My guess would be that as long as he's in un-Returned form, he can use up Breath just like anyone else, even to the point of becoming a drab.
This is the first book of Brandon's that I have read, and I have to say that it's a very good advert, I'm now intending to buy Mistborn and Elantris the when I next have a decent amount of free time.
Having said that, there are a few problems with it.
Ignoring typos as I know this is a draft, a few issues strike me:
Do returned get hungry and have to eat? Lightsong says that they don't, but then Susebron seams to suggest that he often gets hungry at night, and sends for food when the whole thing about Siri being hungry from growing her hair comes up. I personally think it would be better without the idea of the returned not needing food.
What's up with the God Kings vanishing after they have children, if as is suggested at the end the priests aren't guilty of foul play, what happens to the God Kings?
I don't think Vasher is explained properly, how can he use the command to give his breaths (on Denth) away without giving his "divine breath"? I thought it always gave everything.
Also the book seemed to lack polish in a few places, it didn't seem to flow quite right, from time to time, but I'm sure you're editor will be able to help you far more than me on this, I'm a reader not an editor or writer.
But Vasher is a returned, that's the problem.I don't think Vasher is explained properly, how can he use the command to give his breaths (on Denth) away without giving his "divine breath"? I thought it always gave everything.
Well he did give away everything and became a drab (or whatever they were called) just as Viveena did at one point. He has some breaths in clothing that he used to get some back later but it was kind of a neat trick. He could not, of course, get back what he gave Denth. Only the returned died when they gave away their breaths.
Utopia, you don't really need him to put out a Kindle-specific version. Just grab one of the mobi versions, connect the K to your computer, and load it up. That's how I read it, and I loved every word of it.
With all the complaining you have done you could have had it changed a dozen times over. Why not just do it yourself. As I said before, not TOO many people have eBook readers.
I will be buying this book, and pretty much anything he puts out in the future.ditto to that. I just can't wait for Way of Kings, from little snippets I've heard it is supposed to be the Epic Fantasy we all dream of.
Why are people going to buy the book if they already read the earlier version for free? I mean the plot is basically like the same, right? I mean who reads the same book twice?
Why are people going to buy the book if they already read the earlier version for free? I mean the plot is basically like the same, right? I mean who reads the same book twice?
Why are people going to buy the book if they already read the earlier version for free? I mean the plot is basically like the same, right? I mean who reads the same book twice?Because they want to support an author that they love.
I have read most books I own several times ??? but like everyone says this thread is about warbreaker.I THOUGHT THE SAME THING!
I have just started reading it and I am enjoying it a lot (despite the misspelled words, which I actually find encouraging; there's hope for me yet!)
but one thing doesnt quite add up for me. If the godking was stillborn at birth, then returned and if the returned dont age... wouldnt he still be a pheotus?
I'm so clever I scare myself sometimes ::)
If the godking was stillborn at birth, then returned and if the returned dont age... wouldnt he still be a pheotus?
I have read most books I own several times ??? but like everyone says this thread is about warbreaker.
I have just started reading it and I am enjoying it a lot (despite the misspelled words, which I actually find encouraging; there's hope for me yet!)
but one thing doesnt quite add up for me. If the godking was stillborn at birth, then returned and if the returned dont age... wouldnt he still be a pheotus?
I'm so clever I scare myself sometimes ::)
I have read most books I own several times ??? but like everyone says this thread is about warbreaker.
I have just started reading it and I am enjoying it a lot (despite the misspelled words, which I actually find encouraging; there's hope for me yet!)
but one thing doesnt quite add up for me. If the godking was stillborn at birth, then returned and if the returned dont age... wouldnt he still be a pheotus?
I'm so clever I scare myself sometimes ::)
I started Warbreaker on Monday and had it done on Wednesday. I can definitely say that something did not add up there :P
Hope Mr. Sanderson or his editor reads these posts. :P
Thank you, Ookla, I actually remember reading that now and thinking I should download it. Heh, I feel dumb now.
I have read most books I own several times ??? but like everyone says this thread is about warbreaker.
I have just started reading it and I am enjoying it a lot (despite the misspelled words, which I actually find encouraging; there's hope for me yet!)
but one thing doesnt quite add up for me. If the godking was stillborn at birth, then returned and if the returned dont age... wouldnt he still be a pheotus?
I'm so clever I scare myself sometimes ::)
I started Warbreaker on Monday and had it done on Wednesday. I can definitely say that something did not add up there :P
Didn't anyone catch that the physical appearance of the Returned is one of the major plot twists? It all made perfect sense to me at the end when I understood what was happening and how it was foreshadowed.
Long story short, the Returned get to choose what they look like; their body responds to their self-image. With practice, they can even make it voluntary (although most don't know that). Returned who are young grow until they choose to stop, and those who are old can do whatever they please (probably within limits, but still.)
I'm new. so take it easy if i comment on stuff already discussed (50 pages is way too much to go through).
I just finished version 6.1
i loved it. i completed it in 2 days. no sleeping and that was staring at my screen through the night.
As has been said, i wished i found this book earlier. overall i loved the concept and the writing. to the point where, i WILL be buying this book when it comes out, regardless.
not only that, but i intend to find and purchase his other works. and keep up with anything he decides to work on.
I did it! I finally gave in and read Warbreaker.
It was good, not as good as Mistborn, but I liked it.
MINOR SPOILER:
I think I'm gonna have to reread the ending though, it confused me a bit (The bit about the royals all being returned or something?), but the rest was very good. I loved Lightsong, he along with Siri were my favorite characters.
I'm new. so take it easy if i comment on stuff already discussed (50 pages is way too much to go through).
I just finished version 6.1
i loved it. i completed it in 2 days. no sleeping and that was staring at my screen through the night.
As has been said, i wished i found this book earlier. overall i loved the concept and the writing. to the point where, i WILL be buying this book when it comes out, regardless.
not only that, but i intend to find and purchase his other works. and keep up with anything he decides to work on.
Brandon's plan in effect! People do buy things they have already read! I seriously can't wait until this is released. My copies of Mistborn have already made it through a large group of my friends, this is next.I did it! I finally gave in and read Warbreaker.
It was good, not as good as Mistborn, but I liked it.
MINOR SPOILER:
I think I'm gonna have to reread the ending though, it confused me a bit (The bit about the royals all being returned or something?), but the rest was very good. I loved Lightsong, he along with Siri were my favorite characters.
Forgive me, I haven't read the latest version and it's been a while since I read v 4 and 5, but I can try and take a hack at your question. As I understood, the royals have a bit of returned blood in them. I think that means that at one point, there was a returned that could give birth. The hair changing thing is an ability akin to Vasher's ability to hide his 'ultra-breath.'
Though, I may just be making stuff up. ;D
I absolutely love that cover. It's flippin' sweet.
Oh, I can't wait for the release...I may actually have to take a solid ten hour drive to Provo for this one. (I was going to do so for HoA, but my friends were too busy to go with...)
Oh, I can't wait for the release...I may actually have to take a solid ten hour drive to Provo for this one. (I was going to do so for HoA, but my friends were too busy to go with...)
I think it's worth it... but then again, my drive was like ten minutes last time. However, there were those who drove for eight hours straight and said it was worth it. (If you don't believe me, ask miyabi)
I hope the title doesn't get changed because the big reveal of in the last part, of who Warbreaker was, was one of my favorite moments, as well as Lightsong's final act. It made everything make so much sense
The cover art is beautifully done - it'll be great to have the book in hardback instead of in Microsoft Word!
One thing that was odd was "BioChroma" sounds a little too modern and technical, too Latin/Greek. It's weird when you expect all fantasy to be like Lord of the Rings or King Arthur. But it's not a big deal, it's good to be suprised.
I never quite understood the differences between Tones and Colors though. Maybe I read too fast.
Just finished the book, giving a review later (I still can't contain my thoughts)
But I have a couple of questions that really need answering right now. First, when Vasher sneaked into Mercystar's palace, what was he after?
Second, who's the second intruder who entered and killed the servant right after Vasher sneaked in, as Lightsong had concluded?
Anybody knows?
3. Do you mean as far as deaths go? I don't want to spoil anything for you but if I recall correctly no main characters die.
Oh wow, I totally forgot about him!! I was about to ask who died when I remembered. Has it really been that long since I've read it!!??
Women chasing runaway geese, men pulling donkeys laden with spring seed, and children leading sheep the village on their way to pasture.
Brandon's right about people buying books even if they can get them for free. Just learned about Warbreaker and it sounds real awesome. I'm going to just go ahead and order it since I'm sure I'd want a hard copy anyway.
http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/788/Warbreaker-Sighed-and-Numbered-Copies
Just ordered mine :-)
I was COMPLETELY taken in by Denth. It was great. I was right there with Vivenna going "WHAT?!" I was forming this whole different picture of him in my mind and then, wham! He turns out to be the bad guy! I love being surprised like that. I love getting so caught up in the story with the characters that I also don't pick up on stuff that they should have.
I was COMPLETELY taken in by Denth. It was great. I was right there with Vivenna going "WHAT?!" I was forming this whole different picture of him in my mind and then, wham! He turns out to be the bad guy! I love being surprised like that. I love getting so caught up in the story with the characters that I also don't pick up on stuff that they should have.
I actually guessed this plot twist. *Elantris Spoilers* I had guessed that Denth would pull an Ahan. It made too much sense.
It seems to me that Denth and Ahan are completely difference characters. Denth intended to be evil from the start of the book. Ahan was just stupid. Different motivation, different skills. Denth is a whole lot scarier.
It seems to me that Denth and Ahan are completely difference characters. Denth intended to be evil from the start of the book. Ahan was just stupid. Different motivation, different skills. Denth is a whole lot scarier.
Motives are different, results are the same= it doesn't matter.
hello, who's ahan? and ten soon? just finish reading the adobe acrobat version... got me hooked for about 8 hours, and its my first time reading a sanderson... i must admit tho, i wonder how the WoT rendition wud turn out, now that iv read one of his books.. the humor is good, particularly Lightsong's chapters.. but... I hope he'l get Mat Cuathon right...
He (Clod) moved with a fluidity she had rarelypg.337
seen, his skill matching the brief moment of dazzling speed that Denth had
displayed in the restaurant.
Denth glanced at Clod. Theyre not all equal. Most Lifeless, theyre justpg 357
made out of what ever body happens to be around. If you pay good money,
you can get one who was very skillful in life.
It shouldnt have happened, Jewels said. Arsteel was a brilliant duelistpg 197
almost as good as Denth. Vashers never been able to beat either of them.
Vasher didnt use the sword, Jewels said. There was no blackness topg 314
Arsteels wounds.
**SPOILER**
I have a theory....
I think that Clod used to be Arsteel!
Since Jewels and Denth have seen Arsteel, they might have been able to pay someone money to make Arsteel a Lifeless for a bodyguard.
*Mistborn, Elantris, & Warbreaker Spoilers*
Ahan, Denith, and Ten Soon (I don't know if that's spelled right) all served the same perpose. Each of them had different personalities and motives, but they did the same thing so it really doesn't matter.
**SPOILER**
I have a theory....
I think that Clod used to be Arsteel!QuoteHe (Clod) moved with a fluidity she had rarelypg.337
seen, his skill matching the brief moment of dazzling speed that Denth had
displayed in the restaurant.QuoteDenth glanced at Clod. Theyre not all equal. Most Lifeless, theyre justpg 357
made out of what ever body happens to be around. If you pay good money,
you can get one who was very skillful in life.QuoteIt shouldnt have happened, Jewels said. Arsteel was a brilliant duelistpg 197
almost as good as Denth. Vashers never been able to beat either of them.QuoteVasher didnt use the sword, Jewels said. There was no blackness topg 314
Arsteels wounds.
Since Jewels and Denth have seen Arsteel, they might have been able to pay someone money to make Arsteel a Lifeless for a bodyguard.
Did anyone else notice that the couples have alliterative names (well, except for Blushweaver and Lightsong)? I had to laugh at that. Was that on purpose?
Did anyone else notice that the couples have alliterative names (well, except for Blushweaver and Lightsong)? I had to laugh at that. Was that on purpose?
Wow, I can't believe I got through the whole book and didn't notice something as simple as that.
1. If Vasher took the extreme caution of advising priests to cut out God Kings' tongues to prevent them from using their Breaths, I found it a bit out of character for him to meet Susebron once, see that his tongue was healed and thus he controlled his own power, and give him even more power in the form of the D'Delir. I mean, I know why he did it. The part I don't get is why Vasher would just walk away from Hallandren afterwards, leaving Susebron to his immense power. I mean, yeah, Susebron's a good guy. But he's extremely innocent and thus extremely malleable. Who's to say he won't become corrupted by his power or swayed by someone corrupt?
2. If Denth is the same thing Vasher is, why does he apparently have only one Breath? Did he store his extras in an object and then feed on one per week to stay alive?
3. Who the heck is on the cover? I'd guess Siri, but the BioChromatic breath issuing from her mouth makes me think it's an Awakener and thus Vivenna. And the sword doesn't look like Nightblood, so maybe it's the sword Vivenna holds briefly? But by that time, she wasn't wearing dresses anymore, and she probably never wore anything like that dress in her life.
1. If Vasher took the extreme caution of advising priests to cut out God Kings' tongues to prevent them from using their Breaths, I found it a bit out of character for him to meet Susebron once, see that his tongue was healed and thus he controlled his own power, and give him even more power in the form of the D'Delir. I mean, I know why he did it. The part I don't get is why Vasher would just walk away from Hallandren afterwards, leaving Susebron to his immense power. I mean, yeah, Susebron's a good guy. But he's extremely innocent and thus extremely malleable. Who's to say he won't become corrupted by his power or swayed by someone corrupt?
If I had seen the cover but never known anything about the book, I probably would have read it for the cover's sake alone. It's stunning and unexpected, and it makes me wonder what's going on. Why is her hair white? What's coming out of her mouth? Etc., etc. I just wish I knew, after reading the book, who it was.
Quote1. If Vasher took the extreme caution of advising priests to cut out God Kings' tongues to prevent them from using their Breaths, I found it a bit out of character for him to meet Susebron once, see that his tongue was healed and thus he controlled his own power, and give him even more power in the form of the D'Delir. I mean, I know why he did it. The part I don't get is why Vasher would just walk away from Hallandren afterwards, leaving Susebron to his immense power. I mean, yeah, Susebron's a good guy. But he's extremely innocent and thus extremely malleable. Who's to say he won't become corrupted by his power or swayed by someone corrupt?
Did Vasher suggest that particular measure, of did he just vaguely suggest that the power shouldn't be used, and the priests ran with it from there?
Yeah this one seems to be a hole in the story to me as well. If he had enough breath stored up somewhere, and he used to be a skilled user of same, then why not at some point reveal his true power and capability? And the rapture at receiving the 50 breath or so at the end, didn't seem that it would affect him so if he had a store of breath somewhere he was using on a consistent basis, then he should be used to receiving the breath and releasing it back into his storage object weekly. At least someone as trained as him should be able to keep his wits enough to not be killed by the rapture.
And what's up with the 2 of the 5 Scholars that we meet in the book (Vasher and Denth) both having reverted back to human form? Of course, this question presumes that all of the 5 scholars were Returned (are we ever told that?). So, presumably Denth, like Vasher, was also Returned and decided, like Vasher, to forego the god-like Returned status in order to ... do what? walk among normal folk and influence affairs? Can we presume that their decision to do so was a result of the Manywar and its aftermath? It seems like we've been given a rationale for Vasher to make this transformation (i.e., he did not like what he had become or what lengths he had to go to in order to end the Manywar), but what rationale would Denth have had for giving up god-like status?
The god-like status also means being instantly recognizable as a Returned to anyone with an education, thereby losing all anonymity in any human endeavor, and potentially getting imprisoned in the court of the gods. The priests, religions, and people may worship the Returned, but they have also placed extremely strict controls and balances on their power and influence. Without the ability to look normal, Denth would have been unable to live a normal life with any control over his destiny.
Here's a question. All the "god's" have a specific quest they returned to complete. Seems the religion inhibits who they can affect, because their imprisoned.
But all that begs the question, who are Denth, and Vasher here to "heal". They've been around a very long time. Also, how does Vasher remain alive, without consuming breaths, as when he was in jail at the beginning. A lot of loose ends there.
We don't know if the religion's interpretation of the Returned is correct. By making them rulers, they can influence things, though. The Returned may be imprisoned, but I must admit that it is a very nice imprisonment with a decent amount of power. Note, however, that their quest may not necessarily be to heal somebody. That may just be an act of mercy they perform after finishing the quest. So asking if Denth and Vasher have to heal somebody is not as relevant ask asking what they were supposed to do. And for Vasher, I think the term Warbreaker may be sufficient. I dunno about the others, though. They seem to have failed...
I'm not sure that a lifeless could be made sentient, but maybe.
According to your theory about the returned, it is not possible for lifeless and awakened objects to return. Since they don't have a will of their own they cannot command themselves to return. And even if commanded to by the awakener, I still think that it would be to complex a command and too costly in the amount of breaths to be feasible.
To answer your question about why Vasher didn't use Kalad's Phantoms, he couldn't he gave up his "extra" breaths to the 1st God King, and they were passed down to Susebron.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the statues were not lifeless, but awakened objects. It is simply a regular statue with bones arrayed inside, and an Awakener has to Awaken the bones with a command, giving them enough breath to be strong enough to manipulate the body as their own, much the same way that Awakened objects are stronger than their original parts and pieces. (Or maybe it's more similar to Vasher's straw men in the Prologue, Awakening something (the stone) with fewer breaths because of the human focus (the bones.))
Please, Great One, the woman said. She sniffled, then bowed her head.Why is she offering Lightsong these things? Doesn't she know that he would have to die to help her child? Or does she promise Breath and service to the Court of Gods in general or to his successor (the next deity of bravery, or something like that)?
Oh, please. He was brave, like you. My Breath, it would be yours. The
Breaths of my entire family. Service for a hundred years, anything. Please, just
heal him.
Its Tax, all right. Goes by a different name now.I hope the joke will be explained someday, because I don't get it.
Denth nodded. Vasher. Hes used it for a while. Its a joke on his part.
Vasher stood openly atop the building. He didnt really care who saw him.?!
He rarely did. An endless flow of people passed on the colorful street.
VaraTreledeesDenth, as he called himself nowwalked among them with
his team. The woman, Jewels. Tonk Fah, as always. The clueless princess. And
the abomination.
Vasher, Denth, Arsteel, Yersteel and Shashara are the original Returned and so yes Having Arsteel a Returned and friend becoming a lifeless would probably make Vasher think of Clod as an Abomination, who knows maybe thats why Vivenna noticed emotion in Clod. Idk thats for darn sure im just guessing on that part
You can't. In order to use Hemalurgy, you need to have the right spiritual and genetic codes. People on the Warbreaker don't have those same codes as the ones on Scadrial.
What is happening with Hemalurgy, essentially, is that you're driving a spike through a specific point on a person's body and ripping off a piece of their soul. It sticks to the spike on the Spiritual Realm. Then, you place that spike on someone else in a specific place (not exactly the same place, but on the right spiritual pressure point) and 'hot wire' the spirit to give it Hemalurgy or Feruchemy. It's like you're fooling the spiritual DNA, creating a work-around. Or, in some cases, changing the spirit to look like something else, which has the immediate effect of distorting the body and transforming it into a new creature.
Hemalurgy is a very brutal way of making changes like this, though, so it often has monstrous effects. (Like with the koloss.) And in most cases, it leaves a kind of 'hole' in the spirit's natural defenses, which is how Ruin was able to touch the souls of Hemalurgists directly.
You would have to Hemalurgically endow the subject with Scadrial codes
Chapter Seven needed a revision as badly as elf needs food, so I did one. It clarifies a lot of the language and events.
And also, will we ever get to see Annotations on Warbreaker? Because at this rate, we'll be finishing HoA when GS comes out....... I'm not complaining, just wondering....
Many people think it's better to read New Spring in the order it was writtenafter Crossroads of Twilight and before Knife of Dreams. Otherwise some of the character development in the series will seem a bit overshadowed.
Those are interesting theories but in the book it said that Suseborn not only healed his tongue but gave him the knowledge on how to use breaths and commands and everything else sooo.... yeah i dont remember anything else :)
My apologies if this has already been discussed before (am I a terrible person for not reading all 29 pages...?)
I've got a couple mechanics questions:
-Infant Returned? Really? I disbelieve. Unless the criteria for Returning aren't as straightforward as "died doing something heroic".
-Is there some reason Vivenna couldn't have put one breath in some object, the rest of her breaths in a shawl, and taken the one breath back to avoid becoming a Drab? Although I suppose she might not have known how bad losing all your Breath is for you.
And you're exactly right. The only reason Vivenna couldn't have done that is that she didn't think of doing it. That's the way Vasher gives one breath to that little girl later.
After finally having time to read this book, I went and read through it in one sitting.
One thing that's bothering me however and I hope to get answered is something someone asked earlier in the thread and didn't get answered.
"Of course I didn't realize it the first time through, but now the reference to having up to the Fifth Heightening at any time makes sense ... Vasher could, as he did at the end of the book, revert back to Returned status with its accompanying mega-one-breath-equal-to-2,000-normal-breaths. This raises a number a questions/presumptions. Do all Returned have the ability to revert back to normal human proportions? (i.e., could Lightsong or Blushweaver or any of the other Hallandren gods have done the same thing?) In this process, what happens to the uber-Breath? Vivenna and others with Breath did not sense it ... has it been transferred to an object? or does it just become muted?"
So essentially...Lightsong has been trying to do the same thing Vasher is doing for his entire Returned existence?
So essentially...Lightsong has been trying to do the same thing Vasher is doing for his entire Returned existence?
Well, if you read closely, Lightsong wasn't all that committed to not being a god. The perks were quite nice, and he got to exercise his razor wit.
Yeah yeah. I'm on vacation!!! Maybe I'll put it up tomorrow.