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Title: 500 greatest albums
Post by: House of Mustard on December 02, 2003, 04:14:46 PM
Rolling Stone has come out with a listing of the 500 greatest albums of all time.  Not surprisingly, 4 of the top 10 are the Beatles.

http://www.rhino.com/rs500/index.lasso

Personally, however, I think that Abbey Road should top the list.  I also think there should be a heckuva lot less Bob Dylan in the top 50.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 02, 2003, 05:18:08 PM
I agree. How far down the list is Abbey Road, anyway? And when will people stop thinking Bob Dylan is amazing? You could fill both of his slots with Paul Simon. It's kind of depressing that the Beach Boys are so high on the list, but you've got to admit that they deserve it. Even if they are stupid.

Ah, Abbey Road is #14. And Nirvana is 17. I'd just like to point out, if anyone's interested, that all of these Beatles albums would make excellent christmas presents to your illustrious editor.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 02, 2003, 05:33:56 PM
first our illustrious editor will have to re-embowel himself after he ninjas get to him for that comment about Bob Dylan. You grudgingly admit that the BEACH BOYS deserve greatness in the same breath as you trash the Dylan-meister? I have two words for you:

You Suck

But seriously, you must not realize exactly how many songs, considered standards and covered repeatedly, were written by that man. Sure you probably know All Along the Watchtower was his (alone deserving greatness; yes you can say Hendrix made it great, and you'd be right, but Hendrix wouldn't have done it if it werent' for Dylan). How about half the songs the Byrds did? How about Knockin' on Heaven's door. How about the influence he and George Harrison had on each other? How about the influence he had on Eric Clapton? Should I go on?
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 02, 2003, 05:46:32 PM
I don't count songs that other people made famous--if we did, we'd have to put Prince in the top ten, and that frightens me. And yes, Bob Dylan used to be amazing--I suppose I'm mostly griping about how people still think he produces quality owrk, which he hasn't done for decades.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: House of Mustard on December 02, 2003, 05:47:48 PM
Is that the same All Along the Watchtower that Dave Matthews sings?
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 02, 2003, 05:50:04 PM
HoM, "I don't even want to think about what they're teachign you at school"
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 02, 2003, 05:50:05 PM
I keep reading this, and discovering weird things. They put Lennon's Plastic Ono Band way above Imagine, and that's just wrong.

And they have Simon and Garfunkel at 51 (and it's not even their "best of" album) and yet we don't get Simon's Graceland until 81.

Sorry, I don't mean to be completely negative--a lot of this list is dead on. I just disagree with some of it.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 02, 2003, 05:58:47 PM
The first hundred includes only one each from Billy Joel and Elton John, yet it has two from Sly and the Family Stone. Somebody's hopped up.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on December 02, 2003, 06:40:46 PM
Nice to see that things like Santana, CCR, Weezer and Joy Division made it on there, and of course the top 10 is arguable to anyone by personal taste.  Sorry Saint, but I just don't like Bob Dylan.  
Since they polled musicians and critics, etc. perhaps his work is just considered the most important and influential and not necessarily the "best" music ever.


Also, does Eminem really belong on there three times??

But the one album I was looking for is there, so I can't complain - it's number 341, but it's there.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 02, 2003, 06:49:40 PM
Okay, I've read the whole list, and on the whole I'm pleased. It's a travesty that the Supremes are so far down the list, but I saw very little Mo-Town in general so that might have been a bias. On the other hand, I was quite pleased to see The White Stripes on there--I may have missed something, but I think the were the most recent album included on the list, and that says a lot about their talent. It was also nice to see so much David Bowie and Eric Clapton, and so little Van Halen.

I don't know if Eminem deserves 3 entries on the list, but he certainly deserves 2--and with 3, he makes up nearly half of the rap albums they mentioned. Interesting.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: House of Mustard on December 02, 2003, 07:09:01 PM
I was particularly pleased to see Bob Marley in the top fifty.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Lieutenant Kije on December 02, 2003, 07:25:27 PM
I like Bob Dylan!

I just felt like a declarative sentence, that's all.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Gemm: Rock & Roll Star; Born to Rock on December 02, 2003, 08:07:24 PM
a- This list is crap. 2 Beach Boys albums, and a Sinead O' Connor album.

b- Where the butt is TMBG? I have not seen any of their stuff on this list.

c- A dead man (note: Notrious B.I.G.) gets 2, not 1, but 2, albums of his on the list.

d- This list is crap.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Lieutenant Kije on December 02, 2003, 08:43:57 PM
I also like the Beach Boys!
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on December 02, 2003, 09:04:18 PM
I've been listening to the Beach Boys since I was old enough to sing.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 02, 2003, 09:05:58 PM
I think you have to count songs that others made great. That's what Dylan is, a writer. A song writer. I personally think it's great to listen to him do his own work, but he's not a great singer. His stuff is great

Gemm, I'm not even approaching your comments

Fuzzy, "just not liking it" has nothing to do with it. You can't do an objective list on how much you think it's groovy. So yeah, commercial success + artistic accomplishment + influence.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Lieutenant Kije on December 02, 2003, 09:06:29 PM
Yeah, Endless Summer was one of the first albums I ever bought.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Mad Dr Jeffe on December 02, 2003, 09:55:45 PM
Go buy the Basement tapes by Dylan and it will change your life.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 02, 2003, 10:26:01 PM
I'm pretty sure Gemm's comment were made purely to troll for flames.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Gemm: Rock & Roll Star; Born to Rock on December 02, 2003, 11:56:47 PM
I'm not a troll. If I were a troll I'd be saying things like, "arrguuuh!" and "Gabuhhh!"

But no, I'm sticking to my arguements. That list is pretty crappy. And I don't like it. Bunch of dead men on that thing.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Mad Dr Jeffe on December 03, 2003, 12:16:41 AM
I should hope so!
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: EUOL on December 03, 2003, 03:25:29 AM
Oddly, for once, I believe with Gemm.  The list is obviously far too slanted toward a particular generation--one who's music I've never cared for.  And putting Joshua Tree down in the high 20's?  Come on.  
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Gemm: Rock & Roll Star; Born to Rock on December 03, 2003, 06:54:52 AM
Thanks EUOL, I mostly agree. Yes I like the Beatles, Neil Young, U2, and some other ones. But still, theres a vast quantity of that list that just flat out sucks.

I still want to know why there is one Sinead O' Connor album and not one TMBG. I'm going to be a little more flagrant and say that TMBG has made a quantity of quality more than that bald headed freak. Ooohh, she makes me so mad.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 03, 2003, 02:01:17 PM
There's a pretty obvious generational bias here, yes. And interestingly, while there is a fair amount of 90s music there is very, very little 80s. But it's hardly a bad thing for Joshua Tree to be in the high 20s--that's in the top 30 albums of all time, in all genres. How could you not consider that an honor?
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on December 03, 2003, 04:00:38 PM
Ok- I'd like to see everyone post what *they* would put as the top 10 albums of all time.  (using any basis you like because  hey- it's your list)
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: EUOL on December 04, 2003, 12:26:52 AM
Hum.  Good question.  Do they have to be studio albums?  I'm going to say 'no,' since I get to choose.  So, here we go:  (I'm not exactly sure on the order, but these are my ten.  Also, I am not going to even try to spell them correctly.  Sorry.  Word won't fix things like this, and I don't want to search them all out.)

1) Metallica, S&M
2) Yanni, Live at the Acropolis
3) Rammstein, Senchunt
4) Evanescence, Fallen
5) U2, 1980-1990
6) Deep Purple, When we Rock we Rock
7) Meatloaf, Bat out of Hell
8) Chick Corea, Beneath the Mask
9) Styx, Greatest Hits 1
10) Linkin Park, Hybrid Theory
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 04, 2003, 07:28:33 AM
let me now point out the difference between an "album" and a "compilation," which is why greatest hits albums don't make the top 500 album lists.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Mistress of Darkness on December 04, 2003, 12:51:55 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure that there were some "Greatest Hits" albums on the list. And shut-up Saint. Make your own list and apply whatever biases you want.

(In no particular order)

1) Enya, Memory of Trees
2) Carpenters, A Christmas Portrait
3) Weird Al Yankovic, Off the Deep End
4) Al Stewart, The Last Days of the Century
5) No Doubt (tie between Rocky Steady & Return of Saturn)
6) Vertical Horizon, Everything You Want
7) John Mayer, Room for Squares
8) Nora Jones, Come Away with Me
9) Travis, The Man Who
10) Bare Naked Ladies, Stunt

(I left off Yanni, Live at the Acropolis and Evanescence, Fallen--which I love--because they were already on EUOL's list. But that was my particular bias)
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 04, 2003, 01:40:08 PM
dont' shoot hte messenger.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 04, 2003, 02:12:42 PM
Yeah, there were plenty of Greatest Hits compilations on that 500 list, so phooey on you.

And can I assume from MoD's list of publicity machine pop hits that we're listing favorite albums rather than greatest albums?
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 04, 2003, 02:13:50 PM
eh, "favorite albums" isn't terribly helpful to me.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on December 04, 2003, 02:16:54 PM
Oh, argh this will be hard, but I'll survive.  Mind you this is the list of my personal favorite albums of all time, as in I think the album as a whole is a masterpiece.

1.  Moby- Play
2.  Live - V
3.  Gorillaz -  Gorillaz
4.  Remy Shand - The Way I feel
5.  Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
6.  INXS - Kick
7.  Enigma - MCMXC ( although Screen Behind the Mirror is up there)
8.  Propellerheads - Decksanddrumsandrockandroll
9.  No Doubt - Return of Saturn
10. TMBG - No!


Oh- I left soundtracks of here though.  There are few soundtracks I think should be venerated
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on December 04, 2003, 02:17:34 PM
Dan, post whatever you want.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Mistress of Darkness on December 04, 2003, 05:57:19 PM
Publicity machine? Do you even know who Al Stewart is? Or Travis for that matter? ::)

But, yeah. What she said.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: EUOL on December 04, 2003, 06:07:03 PM
Hum.  I think I missed Moby--Play should be on my list.  And, I was going for greatest albums, not necessarily favorites.  The difference being that certain albums, as a whole, feel like a work of art.  Bat out of Hell is an example--while only one of the songs really stands out to me, the entire album is a masterpiece.

Oh, and on the greatest hits thing, that's why I was curious about the whole 'studio album' distinction.  There's also, in my opinion, a difference between a 'greatest hits' album and a 'live' album.  S&M is a live symphonic version of Metallica's best songs--but it is a cohesive album, not simply a compilation from many different sources.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: House of Mustard on December 04, 2003, 06:18:22 PM
There are a whole a mess of greatest hits albums on the top 500, so don't worry about it.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 04, 2003, 06:37:23 PM
MoD, I was referring to John Mayer, Norah Jones, No Doubt, Vertical Horizon, and Barenaked Ladies. That's half your list.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: House of Mustard on December 05, 2003, 01:51:14 AM
I agree with you Fell on all counts, except Norah Jones.  That is some legitimately high quality music.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Mistress of Darkness on December 05, 2003, 12:34:02 PM
/me shrugs

Okay, fair enough. However, I dispute the insinuation that just because they were publized means they didn't make good music.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 05, 2003, 01:09:51 PM
yeah, I personally don't think the "publicity machine" aspersion is a valid complaint. Both BNL and Mayer do some nice work, regardless of how advertised they are. Perhaps they're just advertised so much because they're popular, so the company wants to increase their sales even more.

This is why I usually don't talk about music. It's REALLY hard for me not to crap on everyone else's choices. I'm very opinionated on it, and I think a lot of other people's opinions are poorly made and frankly, poop.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on December 05, 2003, 01:23:41 PM
That's ok Saint, I tend to react that way too.

That's why we should just talk about the music that we *do* agree is good.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 05, 2003, 02:22:40 PM
I also tend to get very snippy about declarations of musical greatness (as you can tell). I apologize if I have offended. My complaint is not that the groups on MoDs list are bad, just that they're nowhere near a "best of all time" list (in my opinion). I suppose I just get suspicious when I see so much recent music, and my first assumption is "oh, this person just picks whatever's popular right now instead of really thinking about it," which is an unfair assumption to make. But hey, Stunt is awesome and Norah Jones is great, so I'll shut up and let people have their opinions.

While we're on the subject, here's my top ten list:
1: Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, by the Beatles. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.
2: Abbey Road, by the Beatles. Oddly, this is the only Beatles album I own. My others have all been loaned out and lost.
3: Nevermind, by Nirvana. Completely revolutionary. Maybe I'm just thankful that it finally killed the 80s.
4: Simon and Garfunkel, Greatest Hits. Not a single song on this album is less than a classic.
5: Rubber Soul, by the Beatles. No, I'm not just picking every Beatles album I know. It's really that good.
6: Revolver, by the Beatles. Okay, maybe I have some bias Beatleward.
7: Thriller, by Michael Jackson. Thriller could get on this list as a single, but the album also has Beat It and Billie Jean.
8: Graceland, by Paul Simon. Possibly the best poet of the modern world, let alone the best songwriter.
9: Hot Rocks 1964-1971, by the Rolling Stones. The best of the Stones during their very best years. Even if you don't think you know any Stones songs, I bet you could sing along with half the tracks in this set.
10: The Joshua Tree, by U2. I'm not even a huge fan of U2, but I know good music when I hear it.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 05, 2003, 02:24:32 PM
And I'll make Play, by Moby, number 11. Just to show that we all agree on something--Moby's awesome.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Mistress of Darkness on December 05, 2003, 04:14:14 PM
No offense taken. And your right, I didn't try and find "greatest albums". I just tried to put albums on there that I don't get tired of if I've listened to them 20 times (which is my definition of a great album). I'm too lazy to try and mentally go through the 300 some albulms I have ever heard in my life and try to classify what is truely "great".

And personally, I think Allan Sherman is more enjoyable than the Beatles, but I think that's the anti-establishment in me.

Yes. Moby is wonderful.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Mistress of Darkness on December 09, 2003, 01:02:28 PM
I can't believe I forgot Renaissance and the Moody Blues.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 10, 2003, 10:33:03 PM
Ok, I think Cake and Beck really deserve to be on here, but it's so hard to narrow it down, and since I have mixed feelings about tracks on all of their albums, we'll give them a nod here and get to the list. This is by no means final or definitive, but it's in my feelings, what you need to be listening to, based mostly on Artistic Accomplishment. In no particular order:

1.   The Kinks, "To the Bone." mostly accoustic, nearly all live, with two new songs. Ray and Dave finally accept they'll never have number one hits again and showcase what they can do with all their songs for the last 40 years. Features also live shreds on "All Day and All of the Night" and "You Really Got Me," That double the tempo AND the length of the original power rock hits (not as good as the samples from "One for the Road," but pretty solid.

2.   U2, "October." Before U2 got it into their head they were either American or Political or mainstream or something, they recorded this little number in the early 80s. "Gloria" is the clear highlight, but it also has "Fire" and "Stranger in a Strange Land." The former gave them a TON of live milage and the latter is just really nicely done.

3.   Led Zeppelin IV. Also known as Runes or Zoso, it has no real name. But "Black Dog," "Rock and Roll," and "Stairway to Heaven." Need I say more? The whole album is this good.

4.   Eric Clapton, "From the Cradle." While he's a brilliant at the Rock/Blues thing and did amazing work with the Yardbirds and Cream, this is the culmination of his career, imo. Pure Blues but treated as rock, he doesn't pop it like he did on Journeyman and doesn't hype it like he did on "Unplugged." Solid, baby.

5.   Bob Dylan's 30th Anniversary Concert. Doubt Bob's influence? Listen to Neil Young, Eric Clapton, Tom Petty, Eddie Vedder, willie Nelson, The Clancy Brothers, Johnny Cash, and George Harrison, along with tons of others, prove you so wrong it'll hurt. Live. All from one night, with no tour to pick and choose from.

6.   Jethro Tull, "Thick as a Brick." Yeah, the predicted the "not really one long 45 minute song" criticism when they recorded it -- addressing it on the cover, even. But it's still brilliant, lyrically and musically.

7.   Miles Davis, "Bitch's Brew." By my count, only Joe Satriani has as much versatility and ability to fuse genres, and he's actually got not quite as much. THis album shows both the vitality of jazz and the possibilities of rock. Some of the most brilliant playing ever is heard here too.

8.  Peter Gabriel, "Up." Wasn't sure whether I should do this one, "Us," or perhaps one of his early albums with Genesis, there's brilliant stuff all around, but this is the one that has the most mature and clearly envisioned material, whereas with Genesis he was just playing around. "Us" has better lyrics, but "Up" has better music. Hard... so hard.

9.   R.E.M., "Life's Rich Pageant." No shiny people here. In fact, very little happy. But lots of amazing vision and mood. It's almost like 80's southern indy rock haiku. Clear evocations of mood and scene, your own interpretations to be filled in.

10.  Blue Oyster Cult, "Some Enchanted Evening." "Don't fear the Reaper," "Godzilla," yeah. all it misses is a couple of the more obscure hits. This was a great album from the guys who invented heavy metal. If they were smart, Metallica would bow down and pay homage to these guys.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: EUOL on December 10, 2003, 11:20:21 PM
Quote
If they were smart, Metallica would bow down and pay homage to these guys.
'

Uh, they do.  Their cover of Astronomy is far superior to the original, and in the album (Garage inc.) Metallica has great things to say about the Cult.

I own two BOC albums (greatest hists compolations) and I'm afraid I was dissapointed in them.  Reaper is very good, but Godzilla is a bit too silly for my tastes.  The rest of the songs blend together to me.  

As for the  being the 'guys who invented heavy metal...' Well, Deep Purple was around for a good six years before BOC released their first studio ablum.  I'd have to go with Purple as founders--and as the superior band.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 11, 2003, 12:46:07 AM
That's a really good list, SE, and not nearly as oldie-centric as mine (I have strong biases, and I admit them). I can't help but think, however, that choosing October over Joshua Tree is just a way of saying "look, I'm different." It is a great album, though, and I really can't argue with anything on your list.

I've been thinking about my list, because I'm not entirely pleased with it. I've decided to remove Revolver, bump up the rest of the list, and put "The Best of the Temptations" at number 10. Yeah, I know, it's another oldies group. Sorry.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 11, 2003, 07:33:28 AM
part of why I say BOC invented Heavy Metal is because their manager DID invent the term.
I also find it vastly amusing that you find "Godzilla" goofy but not "No Leaf Clover" which is considerably more cliche.

Revolver is far from the Beatles' best album, though it is very good.
As for October, I've always liked October better than Joshua Tree. To me it embodied more waht U2 was about Originally, It fits nicely with Boy, War, and even the Wide Awake in America EP. After Unforgetable Fire and Joshua Tree, The only place to go was Achtung Baby, which is far far away from their roots. (Rattle and Hum being essentially Joshua Tree, pt 2).
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: EUOL on December 11, 2003, 06:23:26 PM
My problem with 'Godzilla' is the music.  It just sounds goofy to me.  As for No Leaf, I still don't get your dislike of that song.  Granted, the version I really like is the live symphonic one, but I still don't find the lyrics cliche.  You may have heard the phrase before, but I never have--which implies to me that it isn't over-used, and therefore can't really be a cliche.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 11, 2003, 07:26:00 PM
I've seen it on a hundred different shirts, with at least 4 different genre based variations (involving dragons and such) always told as a joke. Hearing Metallica trying to sound tough and dark with a gravelly voice singing it is hilarious beyond measure. *shrug.* Read more music and fantasy merchandise text, is all I can say.

I can see why you might think the music is goofy, but if you put it back in the context of mid-70's metal, it's considerably less so.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 11, 2003, 08:49:17 PM
I know the line in question, but what I don't know is who used it first. How old is No Leaf?
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: EUOL on December 11, 2003, 09:31:14 PM
???

Are you talking about the freight train line?  What is that doing on fantasy T-shirts?
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: Fellfrosch on December 12, 2003, 01:50:43 PM
The "light at the end of the tunnel is just a freight train coming your way" line has been reprinted as "just a firebreathing dragon coming your way." I'm no historian, as I said above, but I'd be very surprised if the fantasy parody was not based directly on the Metallica song.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 12, 2003, 03:27:17 PM
was it a B-side or something originally? Because Metallica's own discography on their site doesn't list it as a title of a song on an album until S&M, though I know there was a single in 2000 for "No Leaf Clover."

It would have to be on one of their first three albums to convince me. I happen to know that T-shirts with that phrase were being marketed by 1986 - and I don't believe that was the first time the phrase was used. So really, unless it's on one of the first two, you've got shirts marketed before the song is released, though maybe they had written it before then. I, unlike Fell, would hardly be surprised if it didn't come directly from the Metallica song.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: EUOL on December 12, 2003, 05:09:05 PM
No Leaf is one of their infamous 'Live Only' songs.  

Anyway, I've never seen those T-shirts.  However, I'd also never heard the phrase before I heard No Leaf.  I wouldn't be surprised if it came from somewhere else, and Metallica used it.  However, I hold to my premise that it's not a cliche (at least to me) if it isn't over-used.

Perhaps it was regional.  You do come from different section of the country from myself.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 12, 2003, 05:17:16 PM
actually, it's not so much that it's cliche, but that it's much more often used as a joke by people who think it's hip to be pessimistic. So hearing Metallica trying to growl it out makes it lose a lot of the impact they intended.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: PW on June 05, 2009, 01:45:47 AM
I personally don't think that compilation/greatest hits/live albums should be included on a list like that.  Just me.
Title: Re: 500 greatest albums
Post by: The Jade Knight on June 07, 2009, 01:14:17 AM
PW, read the FAQ, PLEASE, before resurrecting other old threads.  If you'll notice, the last post here was almost 6 years ago!