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Departments => Books => Topic started by: Chimera on October 03, 2005, 03:00:54 PM
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Please do not read this thread unless you have read up to Book 11 of the Lemony Snicket books. This is an exclusive club for those true die-hard fans of Lemony Snicket who have earned the right to discuss the complexity that is the Series of Unfortunate Events. If you act in oppostion of this, I can only foretell doom and gloom for you and your posterity as Count Olaf will make you the next target of his relentless schemes.
***There will be Spoilers in this thread!***
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Great! Now we have a thread. So what should we talk about? I have to say that I was really relieved when the author when off from the "Let's find another relative for the orphans to stay with" story line. It made the series much more interesting! Also, what did you think about the movie? It seems like no one who has not read the books has liked the movie. I'm not sure I get why, but since I'd read the book prior to seeing it, I don't know.
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/me reads and flaunts your empty threats.
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You'll be sorry. Count Olaf knows where you live.
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I know, it's interesting about the movie. I find that too--that people who haven't read the books don't really seem to like the movie. EUOL wrote an article where he discussed why he thought this. He read the books after he saw the movie. I think there is a link under Book Reviews. Here it is. (http://www.timewastersguide.com/view.php?id=1016)
I'm going to re-read it myself, because I know we discussed it and had similar views and I don't want to just repeat what he said.
Have you read the Unathorized Autobiography of Lemony Snicket? It came out somewhere around Book 7 or 8. That's what I really want to talk about--how that ties in to the mysteries in the book.
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You'll be sorry. Count Olaf knows where you live.
It's ok, I'm quite well defended by ninja monkeys. I'm certain they can handle this olaf oaf
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So, I'm repeating EUOL a little bit. The complaint I've heard from people about the movie (and about the first books in the series, in fact) is that it is the same story over and over again. People who weren't fans of the books did not understand why the movie was so repetitive. And people who did read the first books solely for plot got hung up on the repetive nature and gave up early on in the series. Which is fine. But I think they are missing out. ;)
I did find the first books a bit repetitive. But I loved the writing style--the narrative interaction with Lemony Snicket, the "author." It made me laugh. I was in a children's literature class at the time, and through a Scholastic Book Club Order had purchased in paperback books 1-9. So I kept reading them, even though they were a bit repetitive, half because they were funny enough that I wanted to, and half because I was feeling a bit OCD and felt since I paid for them I ought to read them.
In Book 5 (The Austere Academy), when the Quagmire triplets get kidnapped, I thought, "Well, this is different." That was probably another main reason I kept reading--now I wanted to find out what would happen to the triplets, and I was also intrigued by the mystery of VFD. So I moved on to Book 6--The Ersatz Elevator. I was going along, enjoying the book, almost dying with laughter when the author used two black pages to express the despair that could not be expressed in words, when right after that something happened that entirely changed how I viewed the series. The Baudelaires are having a conversation with Esme, after they are trapped in the net in the elevator shaft, when Esme says, "I want to steal from you the way Beatrice stole from me."
I remember sitting up straight in my bed. "What?" I cried.
Beatrice wasn't supposed to be in the story. I mean, in the Baudelaire part of the story. Beatrice was only referred to by Lemony Snicket in his asides and the eulogiac dedications. I had always assumed that Lemony Snicket was far removed from the Baudelaires (like maybe researching them years later).
I started stewing on that. How was Beatrice connected with Esme? And why would Esme want to steal from the Baudelaires if Beatrice had stole from her?
That's when I began to develop my wild theory--that Beatrice is the Baudelaires' mother.
Since then, I started reading with this in mind, and found things in the books that support this, and at least one thing that contradicts it. But I can't remember what that was--only that it was in Book 11, because until Book 11 I was completely confident in my theory. I do remember some of the support, if you want to hear the rest of my theory. Book 11 still makes me think my theory is possible, because we are slowly getting closer to the Baudelaires actually meeting Lemony Snicket.
So what do you think? Whenever I meet someone who has read as far as me (which is few and far between), they never seem to have had this idea occur to them. I wonder if I'm crazy. Or just exceedingly clever. :D
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Probably more clever than anything. This is possible, but I'd have to reread the books before I could have a real opinion. I guess I'm one of those people who would read a mystery, but rather than trying to figure out who'd done it, I'd just enjoying reading as the characters figure it out.
EUOL makes some interesting points about the movie and I think he's right. I agree that the plot was quite repetitive and it wasn't until we found out that there was more to the plot than just "Olaf trying to get guardianship so he can get the money" that I was really intrigued. Before that, it was just the style that really kept me reading. I thought that Lemony Snicket's humor was great (although the parts where he'd be like, "You should know this is dark and dreary and there's no reason to keep reading" was overdone). I was really excited though, when it diverged and the plot started giving us more. Sometimes the characters bug me, though. Their motivations don't seem real. Sorry if I don't remember names--it's been awhile since I read the series--but when the girl in the submarine goes off with her brother and turns bad just because she has no family left, that was totally annoying. Like that's a good reason!
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Have you read the Unathorized Autobiography of Lemony Snicket? It came out somewhere around Book 7 or 8. That's what I really want to talk about--how that ties in to the mysteries in the book.
I haven't read it. I heard about it, but I didn't really think about it. I'll check the local library and see if it's there.
Edit: It looks like they have it so I'll stop by on the way home from work and grab it.
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Oh, good. It's a lot of fun. Probably just about the most insane thing you'll ever read. But if you like Lemony Snicket humor, I think you'll really enjoy it. And it brings up all sorts of questions while answering others.
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Sometimes the characters bug me, though. Their motivations don't seem real. Sorry if I don't remember names--it's been awhile since I read the series--but when the girl in the submarine goes off with her brother and turns bad just because she has no family left, that was totally annoying. Like that's a good reason!
Yeah, that was a bit of a stretch for me. There are times when the books remind me of absurdism--people act in the extremes of emotions to make a point. Like how practically every adult is either ineffective or evil. (That was why my dad hated the movie.) I think it is an exaggeration of how children regard adults at times. Children are not in power. And the world can seem cruel, like it is for the Baudelaires. The books take this to the extreme, so that the children seem to be the only strong and reliable characters.
I am really interested to see how the series ends--if it will be doom and gloom, or if the Baudelaires will be allowed some sort of triumph (although I am sure that it will not be perfectly happy-ever-after ending). The fact that Book 11 ended on the up swing makes me think there might be a happy ending.
Do you think one of their parents is alive? I kind of think that in the picture they found of the four people (their parents, Jacques Snicket, and someone whose face is obscured) that the person who isn't visible is Lemony Snicket--just like he isn't visible in any of his pictures in his bios or in the Unauthorized Authobiography. So the fact that scribbled on the back is something along the lines of "One of these may still be alive," makes me think that it is referring to Lemony Snicket, not one of the Baudelaire parents. But that seems really harsh to get the Baudelaire's hopes up and then dash them. But it is The Series of Unfortunate Events. So I'm not really sure about that one--whether one of their parents is alive.
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Okay, so I got it last night and slightly read it. I was reading during commercials, so I probably missed stuff, but it did bring up a lot of questions for me. For example, it sounds like it was kids running the VFD, not adults (referring to the script from a meeting that says something like, "I'm nine years old . . ." Also, it Lemony Snicket made it sound like he was a kid when he fell in love with Beatrice and there is a picture of Beatrice as a child. Plus they showed a picture of that movie director and he was a kid, too.
Have you figured out who all the letters stand for? There are obvious ones, like J = Jacques, L = Lemony, B = Beatrice, O = Olaf, E = Esme, G = (can't remember name, but one who did the newspaper articles, Gertrude, or something), but did you catch K? I need to go through that book again and see if I can understand more. It's interesting that all the families have three children. What is the significance of that? (Jacque, Lemony, and other sibling; the triplets; Sunny, Violet, and Krause; maybe others I don't know of). Also what is up with the sugarbowl??! Do they use that for secret messages or something? I was disappointed that they didn't leave any of those "Ring" codes things undone so we could figure it out on our own.
Have you read Artemis Fowl? It has a secret code on the bottom of the pages of book 1 and 4. That's pretty fun to figure out, even though no language would translate letter per letter like that, but still fun.
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K is for Lemony Snicket's other sibling, I believe. His sister Kit, who the Baudelaires meet at the end of Book 11.
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I am really interested to see how the series ends--if it will be doom and gloom, or if the Baudelaires will be allowed some sort of triumph (although I am sure that it will not be perfectly happy-ever-after ending). The fact that Book 11 ended on the up swing makes me think there might be a happy ending.
Do you think one of their parents is alive?
Well, considering the fact that Lemony Snicket says at the beginning that if you want to read a story with a happy ending, you shouldn't read this story because it doesn't end happily. He's obviously alive long enough to write the books, so he probably is alive. But I wonder if he is writing the book shortly after the events take place, so it could be that he doesn't really know how it's going to end, so it could end more happily than he thought it would.
I thought it was interesting how he incorporated real fiction with made up fiction in his autobiography. I wonder, though, what exactly the code was that was found in this fiction. I think that Poe's poem refers to the code that begins with the ringing of the bell, but I'm not sure how the children were suppose to figure this out. Also, what does the "Age 8" book or Laura Ingall's book fit in? What's the code there?
There are just too many questions and not enough answers, don't you think? Do you have any more theories on what the different things mean, besides Beatrice being the Baudelaire's mother?
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K is for Lemony Snicket's other sibling, I believe. His sister Kit, who the Baudelaires meet at the end of Book 11.
I figured it was the other sibling, but since it's been months since I finished the series, I forgot they introduced Kit. That makes sense because LS circles her picture and writes a note like, "Will I ever see her again?" She leaves with two orphans when she leaves the Prufrock school. Do you have an idea of who? And why are they always taken by their ankles?? So weird.
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I have read Artemis Fowl, and got really excited about deciphering the code at the bottom of each page, but only got halfway before I got distracted by something else. I did understand that it was a prophecy about Artemis Fowl--I should finish deciphering it. It's probably important for the 4th book, which I haven't read yet but looks like some sort of "end-of-the-world" thing.
Yeah, in some ways the Unauthorized Autobiography is more confusing then helpful. I love the humor, though. Like when they are discussing disguises and there is a picture of a pretty young girl and an emaciated old man and they talk about how the same girl in the first picture in the second picture "has dramtically altered herself using the VFD disguise kit and is now completely unrecognizable, particularly with the older gentleman standing in front of her." lol ;D
Or when they have a picture of a group of sailers, and the names given for most of them (perhaps all) are Young Adult and Children's lit authors--like (Sharon) Creech, (Lois) Lowry, (Jon) Sciezka, (E.L.) Konigsburg, etc. And of course in that picture the one identified as "Sailor Snicket" the face has been scratched out.
I think it is meant to be that the VFD was run by children. Which is a bit strange. But if you look at the skills and resourcefullness of the Quagmire triplets and the Baudelaires, including the infant Sunny (who does a lot of remarkable things for a baby), then it kind of fits the world. But it does seem like more borderline absurdism. And one does wonder what happened in the meantime, if VFD fell apart while they were all so young, and now they are grown up (as evidenced from the encounters with Jacques and Kit).
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She leaves with two orphans when she leaves the Prufrock school. Do you have an idea of who? And why are they always taken by their ankles?? So weird.
No, I don't get the ankles thing. It is weird. But that is one reason I like it--it's so different! I don't know why--I'm weird, I guess. And I have no idea who those orphans are.
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I have read Artemis Fowl, and got really excited about deciphering the code at the bottom of each page, but only got halfway before I got distracted by something else. I did understand that it was a prophecy about Artemis Fowl--I should finish deciphering it. It's probably important for the 4th book, which I haven't read yet but looks like some sort of "end-of-the-world" thing.
It really isn't important to know what the code says. It's interesting, but not needed. There is one in the fourth book as well and it's even less important, but I could see how kids would really like it. Both of them actually repeat themselves, so you don't have to decipher a whole book of code to know what it says, just part.
Was there anything else you wanted to discuss with Lemony Snicket. I don't really know what to talk about. There is so much we still don't understand and with only two books left, I don't know how it will all be covered. And like I said, I'm more for waiting to see what happens than to figure it out. You could propose your Beatrice theory, though, and include what evidence you've found to support it.
I'm interested to see what the author of the series will write when this series is done.
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You could propose your Beatrice theory, though, and include what evidence you've found to support it.
I'm interested to see what the author of the series will write when this series is done.
That will take some effort. Maybe this weekend--we'll see.
I also am interested to see what Daniel Handler (the real author) will do after this. I hope he stays in Children's/YA lit.
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You guys need to talk to Karen.
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I haven't seen her on the site for a long time. Did we scare her away? Or, more correctly, did some of the TWG's who will remain unmentioned scare her away? Like e and his ninja monkeys? ;)
Tell her to get on and post on this thread. We'd love to have another Lemony Snicket fanatic. ;D
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So I got a copy of the Penultimate Peril from the library and read it. It was definitely interesting. **Spoilers (sorta)** I thought the court scene was hilarious (especially that even Esme kept her blindfold on). I wonder what is going to happen in the last book. There just seems like so much left that is still unresolved. Why did their parents poisen someone (Olaf's parents, right?) at the opera? And why do all these families have three children (some triplets)? And why were they taken to be a volunteer? And were the parents always killed when they were taken? How are these children chosen? I really hope it's explained in the next book.
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That's kind of how I felt. It answered some questions, but raised a lot more. But I was really glad I had read the Unauthorized Autobiography. It seems like the author is kind of assuming at this point that you have. I wonder what someone would think about this book who hadn't read the biography.
***Spoiler*** Oh, and I about cried when I realized that the guy who was shot by the harpoon was Kit's husband, and now she was pregnant and all alone. It was just an obscure little reference, but it was another wretched thing among so many wretched things that I about threw the book across the room.
Lemony Snicket/Daniel Handler is definitely playing with some interesting themes. This is not your typical book--the good guys are dangerously close to being the bad guys, if they have not already become so. I too am intrigued about how it will end in the last book. And quite peeved that I will have to wait a long time for it to come out. >:(
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Gosh I must have totally missed the reference about Kit's husband being the third triplet (what was his name?). What was the reference? It'd be great to take a look and see. I really feel I need to read that book again, but I don't have the patience to read a book twice through in a row (even HP books).
And I agree about reading the autobiography. It helped me understand a lot, including the schism, although I still don't know exactly what happened, but I know it dealt with Olaf and Esme.
I was talking with this girl last night about the books. She said she read through like book 4 and stopped because it was getting repetitive, she was annoyed with the definitions, and she didn't feel like there was any character growth. She actually owned through like book 10, but she sold them all (can't remember what Web site). She said she was also annoyed that because there didn't seem to be too much time passing, there was no way for Violet to reach 18 by the end of book 13 and so how was Olaf going to get their fortune. I about laughed at this because she didn't realize how much had changed. I tried to explain to her how the children do start to grow up more and change, how the plot line totally moves away from living with new guardians, and how there is a whole mystery around the VFD. Hopefully this will intrigue her to finish reading the series. I remember feeling somewhat of the same feelings around books 4 and 5, but I'm not a quitter and I'm glad I continued. Once we got past the guardian thing, it started to get really interesting. I still can't see how it can end in one more book, but we'll see.
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Gosh I must have totally missed the reference about Kit's husband being the third triplet (what was his name?). What was the reference? It'd be great to take a look and see. I really feel I need to read that book again, but I don't have the patience to read a book twice through in a row (even HP books).
I found it.
p. 350 "For another terrible moment, it felt like the boat was going to sink into the water, just as Dewey Denouement had sunk into the pond, guarding his underwater catalog and all its secrets, and leaving the woman he loved pregnant and distraught."
Kit is referred to earlier as "pregnant" and "distraught" several times (see p. 25 and 45 for two examples). So when I read the above statement I connected it with Kit and became very sad that the father of her child (when I looked back for these I realized it never referred to him as her husband, so I don't know if they were actually married) was dead, and that it was kind of the Baudelaires' fault.
It is indeed an obscure reference that you have to be attuned to, and I could be wrong, but since everything ties together, I don't think so. It is little references like these--clues you have to remember, string together, and build upon book after book--that have given rise to my theory about Beatrice being the Baudelaires' mother. But, because they are so obscure, I'd have to go back and read the entire series to find them all. I don't have the time right now, though. If I do, I definitely will post them here.
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Now that you remind me of that sentence, I do remembering thinking "Oh, he's the father of Kit's baby!" and then I completely forgot about it. Thanks for the reminder.
That'd be great if you post stuff you find out, but I understand the not having time. I have a desire to re-read the series and use a "commonplace book" (which I think is a weird name for what it is) to write down on the clues, but the task seems more daunting than cleaning my bedroom (although decidedly more interesting and fun). Maybe I'll give it some time and do it in like 6 months. I think it would be interesting.
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Hi,
I have a theory on L.S's book's that I have to share with people:
KIT SNICKET is the Bauldelaires' mother
This is why I think this:
1. Mom knows Kit's salad recipe.
2. Book 9, L.S says he is heading north to look for Kit. Mom was suspected to be up there.
3. This could be the reason why he writes the Baudelaire stories.
4. He appears on p.13 of the Snicket file with his bro and the Baudelaire parents.
There are too many reason's to list or remember, but please contact me on this subject!!!!!!!!!
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What do you mean, like their real mother but they don't know it? Because the Baudelaires meet Kit Snicket at the end of Book 11 and have a couple scenes with her in Book 12, and none of them say, "Mother! It's you!" So I'm not quite sure how your theory works, but maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying. Have you read book 12? (the most recent)
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I agree with Chimera. Violet was like 14, was it when the fire happened? She wouldn't exactly forget what her mother looks like (let alone her brother who was also like 13). So I would think they would've been very excited to see her again.
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:oTEXTAs a big fan of Lemony Snicket and his books. I agree with Chimera and tink. simon you are obviously not a big fan :o ;D >:( :D :(
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Hi,
I totally agree with Chimera's Beatrice theory, I remember sitting in bed, and relating this idea to my brother. There were one or two reasons against this, but a lot of evidence for it. In book 8, "Hostile Hospital", there is a huge hidden clue: One of the patients undergoing surgery has a name which is an ANAGRAM of "Beatrice Bauldelaire". However, another name can be made into "red herring".
I am writing this in my school library, and the Librarian has just asked me if this is educational. I told her I am "participating in a highly-charged intellectual debate"!!!.
One more thing, can you tell me a bit about yourselves. Here some info about me:
Name: Simon
Age: 12
Occupation: Student at an all-boys grammar school.
Hobbies: Reading and internet, mostly.
Nationality: English
Thanks,
The Bot
P.S: I am not "Simon Johnson". He was a bit daft with his theory, wasn't he!!!
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Simon aka. The Bot is Simon Johnson hehe love to spill the beans TEXT
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Hello again,
Not impressed by random accusations by dankezman. My guess is that *he* is Simon Johnson, whoever he may be. Anyway, still like the rest of you ha ha
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Bot, why don't you introduce yourself here:
http://www.timewastersguide.com/boards/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1051196804
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Hi,
I totally agree with Chimera's Beatrice theory, I remember sitting in bed, and relating this idea to my brother. There were one or two reasons against this, but a lot of evidence for it. In book 8, "Hostile Hospital", there is a huge hidden clue: One of the patients undergoing surgery has a name which is an ANAGRAM of "Beatrice Bauldelaire". However, another name can be made into "red herring".
I didn't see that one! That is a good clue!!! (Although, the "red herring" does make it arguable if the anagram is, in fact, only a red herring.) But that clue makes me wish that I could whip out all my LS books and reread them and find all the clues that I identified and post my whole theory, with evidence, here. Unfortunately, this is not possible for quite some time, as my books are in storage in MsFish's closet in Utah and I won't be retrieving them until April. :(
I am writing this in my school library, and the Librarian has just asked me if this is educational. I told her I am "participating in a highly-charged intellectual debate"!!!.
LOL. ;D Well, we're glad to have another LS enthusiast to discuss the books with us.
As to who we are, check out our introductions on the "Introduce Yourself" thread--the link that Nessa provided above. Although, speaking of which, I really need to update mine--at least to say I'm not in Provo. I'll do that...sometime.
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Another one, Chimera:
Baudelaire's mother made Kit and Lemony's salad thing. Lemony would probably tell Beatrice this sort of thing, considering the fact that he is random and helpful (LOL). It goes with your Beatrice=Mother theory.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. What salad thing? Please explain further.
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Yeah, I saw that one. Is it in book 12? I can't remember. The Bot will have to enlighten us.
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Book 10:-
In Lemony's letter to Kit, He refers to Kit making two suggestions; the second of which is a salad with a range of ingredients, which the Baudelaire mother used at a dinner party (so it says later in the book).
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simon!!! is the botTEXT[/Stop lying]
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who are you, dankezman; are you German?
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I've read all the books (well nearly. just waiting for book 12 to be free in the library) but there is one thing I do not understand. Why are all the houses that are part of V.F.D linked. I do know that this may have been explained and I'm just not to good at reading a whole page of writing but could someone explain it to me.
General German_Hamburger
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That simon boy is simon Johnsen (or simon townsend as I call him) by the way. Anyway how can Beartrice be the Baudelaires mother like some people have said. Would that not make Lemony Snicket the Baudelaires father. And one of the books clearly states their fathers name.
Lieutenant German_hamburger
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At the moment I don't know whats more mysterious. Who shot JFK or what V.F.D is. I think V.F.D wins by miles. Anyone know what it is. Volunteer Fire Department is too obvious. If its anything I reckon its a latin name which will then provid ethe Baudelaires with a way of finding their parents ( even if 1 is dead). Its probably somethoin like Very Fake death. haha. But seriously anyone know what V.F.D is?
Detective German_Hamburger
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See ya all later. Readin 12 book.
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I think the passages were to escape the fires set by the bad side of the schism. Lemony wouldn't be their father because he is dead, and also because he and Beatrice never married; she ran away with someone else.
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Well Simon thanks for ruining all my theories brilliant. But I have more. V.F.D will mean a place. Thats where all the members of V.F.D who have had their houses burnt down will meet. They will all be alive somehow. Oh and the Quagmires and Baudelaires will eventually meet together and destroy Olaf or burn him in 10ft high flames.
P.C German_Hamburger
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\This isnt really a spoiler. Its just a question. If the LS books were about the Quagmires and not the Baudeliaires would you prefer the books
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No because they're both about the same thing, so it would mostly just be a case of changing the names around. Not to mention the fact that I would feel like a traitor to the Baudelaires!
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Ah but if all of the books were about the quagmires and i asked if it would be better with the baudelaires you would say you felt like a traitor to the quagmires. ANd its not the same thing. tHE QUAGMIRES are different because theyu thought they had lost their brother as well as parents. So you would feel more sorry for them. And as I put on another forum the more sorry you feel for a character the More you like them. The quagmieres do seem to have been through more as well.
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http://www.lemonysnicket.com/books.cfm
This may shed some light on a few things. But other than that itds just a fun website to go on.
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That reply was a bit short. If you've been told to read the faq you should also follow it.
The books may be short, but there are lots of books, and the Baudelaires' adventures don't last long.
Imagine how short they would be if Lemony used the whole page and normal-sized font!
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1)Since when have you a level 3 been the most experienced person who nows everthing
2) I have a strange theory that doesnt really work but..... here goes
Count Olaf is there mother
Lemony is their father
Kit is there aunt
Beatrice is there step mother
Mr Poe is there borther??
I know its random but thats the way books works
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Uh...NO!
Count Olaf is not a woman, Lemony would never love Olaf, and I don't know how Beatrice came into it. Have you read all the books?
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This thread has turned into an abomination. The attempts at English are appalling. The_Bot, you are doing alright, but German and dankezman, you really need to work on that whole thinking deal. If you two don't stop acting like idiots, then we are going to continue to make fun of you mercilessly. And you will deserve it. Use full sentences. Use passable grammar and spelling. Form coherent thoughts. If you are going to say something, make sure it is something that is beneficial to the conversation. If you are going to start a thread, make sure that you introduce a topic for discussion. This does not mean starting a topic called "Pollitticks" (Note the misspelling), and starting the conversation with, "I think the Democrats roxxorz, wut do u think?" If you can't find something that is going to spark conversation, then don't start a thread. By the way, if you read the FAQ, all of this stuff is in there.
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Archon, I hope you decide to agree with me on this. Is th is site a site for people to discuss books in posh and proper grammatics. Or can we be just casual?
A Disturbed Dankezman
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Intelligible grammar that doesn't make a mockery the English language is a pre-requisite to having an intelligent discussion on any subject.
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I am most inclined to agree with e eats everything, and I think that if more people in this world would speak the queen's English, the world would be a better place.
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Archon, I hope you decide to agree with me on this. Is th is site a site for people to discuss books in posh and proper grammatics.
That's EXACTLY what that is. If you are using the internet, statistically you should have received at least some basic, government-mandated education regarding the English language. If you can't act educated we don't want you here.
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First I'd like to point out that there was a study that showed that even the Queen doesn't speak the "Queen's English" as told to me by a Linguistics major friend of mine. Just a fun tidbit.
Two, to German_Hamburger, please DO NOT post four times in a row (in fact, don't post more than once in a row). If you want to add something after posting, click on "Modify" and edit your post. This is one of the rules in the FAQ. Also, listen to Archon and e. They make valid points. We are here for intelligent discussions. Thank you.
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Thank you very much for pointing that out. Now to get back to what this forum is all about, I believe that in the final book, Count Olaf will burn to death, after a fire caused by the people on the good side of the schism. It does seem a little ironic, yes, but that is my belief.
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Don't be alarmed by threads getting off topic. That happens a lot, although it's all right to bring them back on topic.
That would be ironic for Olaf to burn. It seems like the last book could go in so many directions that it's hard for me to speculate. I'm excited for it to come out, though. It doesn't look like the Web site for Lemony Snicket says when it will be. Guess we'll just have to wait for an announcement.
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I've read all the books (well nearly. just waiting for book 12 to be free in the library) but there is one thing I do not understand. Why are all the houses that are part of V.F.D linked. I do know that this may have been explained and I'm just not to good at reading a whole page of writing but could someone explain it to me.
General German_Hamburger
German Hamburger--if you are still confused about VFD you should read the Unauthorized Autobiography of Lemony Snicket. That's where I draw my understanding of VFD from. It answers questions and raises a few more. But it makes the later books and VFD make more sense--in the strange, absurdist way the books do.
And I also am an advocate of coherent English and intelligent conversation. I hope we can continue to have that on this thread.
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Count Olaf may be a horrible person, but even when he says that "he does not speak monkey", he shouldn't burn to death. He should be hung, drawn and quartered grievously by sunny baudelaire.
mr. poe will not appear in the last book, but the baudelaires will return to the village of fowl devotees, as the crows in book 12 couldn't have came from just anywhere.
Also, in the twelth book, there is a HUGE clue that Olaf will not be burned to death. It says that he always borrows a load of matches and suff with him everywhere he goes, so if he arranges the matches so they look like him, he will fake his own death for the 3rd time in the series and because everyone isn't very smart, the people will THINK that he is the amouldering pile of ashes.
(Also, there will be a fourteenth book, because on lemony snicket's website, hidden in the deepest corners of it, it clearly states that there will definately be a fourteenth book. Even a blind mouse could see that!!)
Find it at lemonysnicket.com
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I 'm new here but I've heard the new book the 13 comes out Oct. 13 06.Has any one else heard to confirm? Â :-/
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(Also, there will be a fourteenth book, because on lemony snicket's website, hidden in the deepest corners of it, it clearly states that there will definately be a fourteenth book. Even a blind mouse could see that!!)
Find it at lemonysnicket.com
Why would LS make a 14th book even though many people see 13 as an unlucky number, to me it seems a bit stupid to end 'a series of UNFORTUNATE events' on book number 14 when he could end it on an unlucky number. That probably sounds a bit odd but it is just a thought.
German_Hamburger
PS: I am no longer going to be a stupid, annoying idiot, and I will speak in proper English, well to some extent.
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PS: I am no longer going to be a stupid, annoying idiot, and I will speak in proper English, well to some extent.
If you want us to forget that you were being a stupid, annoying idiot I would stop reminding us. Makes sense, eh?
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;The 13th book does come out on Oct 13th 06. It say it on the lemony snicket web site ;D
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Yeah, I'm so excited. I can't wait to find out what it all means! You know, I don't think they're going to make any more movies of Lemony Snicket. I think they would have announced something by now and IMDB doesn't have any info on new movies (which they usually do from the moment the movie is even in the thoughts of the producers). I guess it just doesn't translate well onto film. My husband, who has not read the books, did not like the movie at all and was totally against us owning it.
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There is also anther book. It's called Notorious Notations. It's about Olaf. It' probaly like L.S.U.A. I also heard there is one about Beatrice. ;)
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:PInteresting Fact
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Notorious Notions probaly just explains things.Like the Unauthorized Autobiography. I don't think it's the 14th book. In in fact I don't think there's a 14th book. Any one who reads Notorious Notions please explain further.
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Mr Stabby, do do doo do do do!!!
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Coherent thoughts please.
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Notorious Notions probaly just explains things.Like the Unauthorized Autobiography. I don't think it's the 14th book. In in fact I don't think there's a 14th book. Any one who reads Notorious Notions please explain further.
I'd go with that: it's not a 14th book (just as the Unauthorized Autobiography is not one of the books). There are only going to be 13--13 is an unlucky number and the 12 was the Penultimate Peril, which means second to the last peril, so only 13 in the actual series. I really need to get the Notorious Notions. On to Amazon.com . . .
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My friend let me read her copy of the Beatrice letters and it shows that Beatrice is a Baudelaire and is looking for Violet,Klaus,and Sunny. Beatrice might just be their mother or some other relative. The poster in it made it look like the boat they where in in book the 12 crashed and a ribbon,glaases,and aspool was in the poster. Any one who has read the book please put your opinion. I only had the book for a day and I was busy.
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I very much agree i think that Beatrice is the Baudelaire's mother. Do yall think that L.S. will keep writing books like the S.O.U.E???? i sure hope so :-[
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I did read somewhere that L.S might get interested in other cases :)but I forgot where. :-[ ??? :'(
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There are at least two different people named Beatrice, and one of them is a YOUNGER sister of the 3 kids.
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Was that in the Beatrice letters? ??? If it was i'll try to barrow it again and read the rest of it if i'm not busy. :-/ If it wasn't in the Beatrice letters,Ookla explain where you read it.
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Yeah i want to know where u saw that to because i want to read that book and find lots of other stuff about it!!! ;D and dont u think that he would put that Beatrice was the sister in the "Bad Beginning" ???
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I agree with Madame Lula. If the kids had a sister named beatrice won't she be mentioned in one of the books? ??? :-/.
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That was Karen's conclusion after she read the Beatrice Letters. Which also means that at least one of their parents survived the fire for some months.
(Karen's my wife and one of the contributors to the Lemony Snicket FAQ.)
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Oh.Thanks ;D But who's Karen.She was mentioned at the beginning of this topic? ???
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I haven't even heard of these Beatrice Letters! I'm going to have to track down a copy and read and see if I have a similar conclusion to Karen's.
I never thought of Beatrice being a younger sister. It could be a possibility--although the later books made me think that Lemony Snicket is alive at the same time as the Baudelaires, because all of his sibilings are contemporary (rather than LS researching the Baudelaires long after they are dead, which is what the first books led me to believe). And, if LS is a contemporary of the Baudelaires and a grown man, it would be really weird for him to be in love with their younger sister (younger then Sunny). Not to mention really, really wrong. :o
But two Beatrice's. That's also an interesting idea. Then one could be the mother, and one could be a sister.
I can't give any more opinion on that until I get ahold of these Beatrice Letters.
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I haven't read the Beatrice Letters, so I don't know, but it seems that there are a lot of similarities in the families, such as the triplets and the Baudelairs both having three children (and I want to say other families had three children, but it's been so long since I read them that it's hard to remember). Anyway, just a thought.
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Chimera,if you live near books-a-million it should have plenty in stock. If not try a library. Hope it helps. If you want to see what it looks like go to the lemony snicket web site.
I was reading something on one lemony snicket web site and it said Count olaf will give each children a pony and that Klaus will win a spelling bee and skip a grade in the end. Any one else read this. If not i'll look for the web site again. 9 days til the end!!
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3 more days until the end!!!!!!! ;D
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The end is here, well has been for 12 days!!!! but yay! woohoo
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O my.... i finished "The End" last Saturday and i am so sad that it is over but that book was AWESOME!!!!!!! ;D
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I finished both The Beatrice Letters and The End. Glad that my theory of Beatrice being the Baudelaires' mother proved true, but a little annoyed at all the other mysteries left unanswered.
But I'm glad the second Beatrice was explained. Though, I have no idea why Lemony Snicket would be avoiding her like he appears to have done (from her letters), unless he thought it was a false Beatrice Baudelaire--one of his enemies trying to catch him. If he knew who she really was--his sister's child--I think he would want to talk to her.
I guess that's just another thing that will never be explained.
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I loved the ending and i'am glad they didn't die. ;D I agree with chimera. It left some questions unanswered. :o >:( ???
I read on wikipedia that the medusoid mycelium was 1st
mentioned in the bad beginning. Any one remember this? ???
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I don't remember this. But I wouldn't be surprised. The reason I figured out that Beatrice was the Baudelaires' mother was because I finally realized that many of Lemony Snicket's asides about Beatrice had similarities with members of VFD's asides to the Baudelaires about their parents, specifically their mother.
I think he must have had the whole thing figured out from the beginning.
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WOW, your smart!!!!! ;)
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Am I the only one who thought The End was kind of weird? I just read this last weekend and I was just wondering when they were going to get off the island and have something happen. I especially thought the last chapter was weird and that it wasn't really an ending (I haven't read Beatrice Letters, if that makes a difference).
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Yeah, it was kinda weird. I think that they should have another book for what happened after they left the island! He didn't really end it right ;D lol
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Am I the only one who thought The End was kind of weird? I just read this last weekend and I was just wondering when they were going to get off the island and have something happen. I especially thought the last chapter was weird and that it wasn't really an ending (I haven't read Beatrice Letters, if that makes a difference).
I agree with you. In my opinion the end could have been better. ;) Anybody have guess what the great Unown is? I think it's a submarine with some evil people from the other side of the VFD schrimism. Thats just a random thought. I would like to hear other peoples opinions. Anybody hear about Lemony's new book coming out next year? It's called The Truth about Horseradish or something close to that. Maybe it will answer more questions
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The end is out now
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The end has been out for a while and it's what we are talking about now. Rukloph please give your opinion on it if you've read it.