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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: 42 on November 05, 2004, 05:07:23 PM
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Just saw the trailer.
It looked cool, yet I'm distrustful after being let down twice previosly.
It's like, oh look how cool.
Then I think about it a later and I realized I was mislead.
Yet I keep letting SW back into my life.
It's such an abusive relationship, but maybe SW deserves one more chance.
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It deserves your love!
I'm sorry, but I'm excited for this movie.
I must see how Mace Windu dies. That right there is going to be the clincher. If he doesn't go down fighting overwhelming odds, i'll be pissed. Anakin better not take him out.
also, from the DVDs, that obi-wan/anakin fight looks like it will roxxors my soxxors.
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I just hope that this film is not a sugar coated kiddy film. It should be dark like the name hints at. Not a winy kid movie with great special effects.
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Your hope is misplaced. I have no doubt that it will be another whiny kid film with great special effects.
I mean really, did Lucas let someone else write it or something? That's the only way it will be anything but.
The man has great vision but poor execution.
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You know that he DID write the original star wars, right? he CAN pull soemthing off. He just hasn't done as well recently.
I'm stoked for it. I mean, it's going to be dark. Even though Obi-Wan beats Anakin, nearly the entire Jedi council DIES. We see the Wookies enslaved. Children have to be hidden from him. The Empire takes over. This won't be a gummy bear flick. It may still have bad writing, but the problem wont' be that he made it happy fun time.
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I think Lucas will redeem himself with this movie. Sure, the last two were kiddy movies, but they were building up for this movie. I'm definately looking forward to it. SE, I don't think Anakin will take out Mace Windu, my money is on that Mace will bite it at the hands of Boba Fett. After all, Mace Windu iced Jango... I think Boba will have the pleasure of payback.
Is there a website that I can see the trailer?
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Lucas said it's probaly going to be the first Starwars movie to be PG-13, he doubts he can keep all the stuff he wants in and make it PG.
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oh, try http://www.apple.com/trailers/ for the trailer, if they don't got it check www.theforce.net
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oh, I'll believe that. How could he make it a PG with all the Jedi that's going to be slaughtered? Not going to happen...that's why I'm really looking forward to this movie!
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well, a lot of them could be slaughtered off stage.
I think i could handle boba doing it. BUt isn't he going to be like, 14 in this one? i dunno about that. Still hoping for overwhelming odds.
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My money is on Boba shooting Mace in the back as Mace is trying to protect what he sees as an inncocent child from an overwhelming number of Super battle droids and destroyers. That would be cool. Especially if his brains splattered all over the set. Then there would be no question that he was dead, and I think a majority of people would be happy. You have the overwhelming odds. You have have Boba actually getting the kill. And you have gratuitous lifelike violence from a high caliber pistol shot to the head at point blank range.
At least it works for me.
And in the event anyone is wondering, I am looking forward to this movie.
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Lasers burn and cauterise, not splatter.
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I thought he might use a croitosis weave laced, explosive tipped Kamino Saber Dart launched from the appropriate firearm. This would be similar to the weapon Jango used to assassinate the Clawdite Assassin in Attack of the Clones, and not could not be parried back as a blaster bolt could be, but would deactivate Mace's lightsaber making him vulnerable for other attacks. Remember, Jango used a variety of weapons, and I could see Boba learning the value of specific "Jedi Slaying" weapons as needed.
(Note to those playing my Jedi campaign... you didn't read this, and, if you did, you don't reme,ber; as I wave my hand in a Jedi-like manner the thoughts become confused and you forget this post. Hee Hee Hee!) :)
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I really don't want to see splattering. Just my thing. How about a more dignified, but still violent, death for Mace?
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It probably will end up being something like what you are looking for SE. I was just speculating. I could come up with another hypothetical death scene for Mace later if you would like, but I have to get to class now.
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I think he'll die of a brain anyeurism from thinking about the rabid fanboys who are whining about it 6 months before it even comes out. "Yoda farts! Blah blah blah!"
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Dang it Nic, you have way to much time on your hands to think of all these gizmos in Star Wars... a cortosis weave saber dart?! I'll admit, that's a pretty cool idea, but i'm scared to play in your campaign now (your mind trick didn't work, I rolled a nat 20 will save). I don't think my jedi will survive much longer in your world.
I would agree that you won't see Mace's brain splatting on the wall. Remember, this is Lucas. I agree he'll probably be shot in the back, but it won't smear his carcass.
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I don't feel sorry for you MoreDew, we all know Nic notches his DM's book when ever he kills a player.
I think I agree with the Boba killing Mace, and more then likely in the back.
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yeah, it's pretty sad when he notches his books with gold...
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yeah, it's pretty sad when he notches his books with gold...
Especialy considering he requires his players to provide the gold as an offering to him the GM.
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Okay, I just finally saw this and it looks amazing. Since I'm stuck at work at 10:30 at night, I'm going to do a shot by shot analysis of the new stuff, starting about halfway through. I apologize if this results in any ***SPOILERS***.
1) Anakin has yellow eyes. Did Maul have yellow eyes? The emperor does, and I'm wondering if it's a trait of Sith I'm not aware of.
2) Volcano, and a brief shot later on of an Obi-Wan, Anakin duel by a volcano. I remember reading rumors of a volcano duel years and years ago, which helps scar Anakin thoroughly enough that he requires the Vader armor.
3) Not sure what those creatures are (they might be robots), but the lava world is very reminiscent of a video game version of Kessel that I once saw.
4) That's much more of James Earl Jones' voice than I expected. It's also a very girly position for Vader's hands.
5) The droids in the blockade runner? Another flashback, or something new?
6) Cool Wookies.
7) Several capital ships in a battle over Coruscant, some unidentified but at least one trade federation doughnut. The second fighter to woosh by has very TIE-like wings, like a link between Maul's ship and the eventual TIE design.
8) Anakin and Padme kiss. Does this mean we see him as non-evil in the beginning? Or is she kissing her wayward Sith in a state of denial?
9) There's the TIE-thingy again, this time flying over what are obviously Clone Warrior proto Star Destroyers from episode two. Another trade federation ship in the background. The TIE quite obviously has R2-D2 in a side-car astromech position, so it might be Obi-Wan or a pre-evil Anakin.
10) Mace Windu fighting against someone with a red lightsaber. It's hard to see location, but the wall and spire in teh background imply that he's in the Jedi Council Chamber.
11) Huge wookie army, very cool, walkers and tracked vehicles in the background. They don't appear to be on Kashyyk, though, unless it's some weird part of Kashyyk I'm not aware of, where you can actually see ground with no trees. I think I spelled that name wrong. Not as techy an army as I would have like; where's the bowcasters?
12) This spooky-looking dude reminds me of someon from the cartoons. I should watch them more consistently. The teeth are spooky, but kind of squirrel-ish.
13) A big ship of unkown origin, possibly on Coruscant, possibly grounded. It's burning and the little ships are hosing it down to put it out. That skyline is very Coruscant-y, but it's very far away and I didn't think Coruscant had that much empty space on the surface.
14) Very brief shot of Anakin hacking something, doesn't look quite as evil yet.
15) Padme with Leia-cinnamon-roll hair! Hooray!
16) A space view of the lava planet, with a Naboo ship in the foreground.
17) Aforementioned lavaside duel.
18) More ship battle over Coruscant, very pirate-like the way they're firing back and forth at each other. The one on top is a Clone Warrior proto Star Destroyer, the other is unknown. Trade Federation and all kinds of other ships below.
19) Evil Anakin chokes Obi-Wan with his black-gloved robot hand.
20) A proto X-Wing with six wings, all apparently fixed in place.
21) Obi-Wan still being choked, and Anakin looking remarkably spooky while doing it. He looks almost impassive rather than angry, which is a lot scarier (though it may be a sign that Anakin is under some sort of influence at the time). This scene alone, brief though it may be, convinces me that Hayden Christensen can do evil Anakin really, really well.
22) Inside of a capital ship, looks very similar to the trade federation hangar from episode one. Look very carefully and you can see a fighter escaping in the lower right while the doors close--also very reminiscent of episode one. Weird.
23) This is the coolest shot in the whole trailer: Darth Sidious himself, mouth open and horrible teeth bared, whales on somebody with a dark red lightsaber. Now that would be a fitting death for Mace Windu (and almost has to be--who else is cool enough to be killed in a duel with the emperor, not counting the people we know don't die?).
24) Same capital ship battle over Coruscant, little proto TIE fighter in the foreground dodges a major explosion.
What can I say? This trailer had me from the first note of the soundtrack, and got cooler and cooler from there. Here's hoping.
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same type of spoilers as Fell's. Not really bad. DOesn't spoil the movie, just the trailer
1) Maul had yellow eyes. Dooku, however, did not.
3) Lucas uses EU ideas when they dont' conflict with his ideas.
4) I was really disappointed with the shot of Vader. hopefully, that shot will be less a centerpiece for the movie than it was for the trailer.
6) yes, very pleased with wookies. It's like everything that Jedi was supposed to be.
10) NOOOOO! Anakin CAN'T kill Mace. I'll kill him myself to prevent it!
11) I think the planet has like, 16 'y's in the name. How familiar with the planet are you? I mean, even if it's typically forested, can't there be a cleared area?
15) praise the mighty buns! At least we know Leia didn't invent it.
23) indeed, who else is cool enough to NEED to be killed by the Emperor. Mace is described by anakin in ep II as sort of a paragon of power. Considering the amazing things Yoda does, Mace bust REALLY be a BMF.
and to round it off, here's somone's review of the trailer (http://www.theaterhopper.com/comics/041108.jpg)
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The trailer was awesome! I wet my pants when I finally saw it.
Just a note, I think when someone has been truly converted over to the darkside, their eyes turn yellow, according to the Star Wars d20 books. As for the part of the emperor killing Mace, that would be a sweet battle! To see the emperor wielding a lightsaber would be cool. And I have to admit, Vader's hands were in a girly position.
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The fight with Mace in the council chamber might be with the emperor--he sends Vader off to kill Obi-Wan or whatever, and then wades into the council chamber himself and starts taking names.
Maybe Dooku was wearing contacts.
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I believe that Dooku is not fully turned over to the darkside. He kind of hints at that in Episode 2. He's using the darkside to defeat the darkside. Perhaps the emperor senses this and Dooku will get whacked for it. The thought of the emperor taking names just sounds so freakin cool. Man, I can't wait for this movie!
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I believe that Dooku is not fully turned over to the darkside. He kind of hints at that in Episode 2. He's using the darkside to defeat the darkside. Perhaps the emperor senses this and Dooku will get whacked for it. The thought of the emperor taking names just sounds so freakin cool. Man, I can't wait for this movie!
The problem with this thought is this quote:
"Join me, and together we can end this destructive conflict."
Sound familiar? Should. Darth Vader says it to Luke after talking about betraying the Emperor in Ep V. Dooku says almost the exact same thing to Obi-Wan in Ep II. It's part of how you corrupt someone to join the dark side. Even the EMPEROR tells Luke to "Strike me down!" You make them think that what you're doing is actually good, and is necessary because the light side of the force can't seem to pull it off. Dooku doesn't try very hard, either. after a quick rejection he turns away and signs the execution order. No, I'm not convinced that Dooku was anything but evil.
Oh, and Palpatine's eyes aren't yellow most of the time either.
I think it's just a cool effect, but it's not consistent enough to say it happens to all of them.
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It's possible, but there's something about Dooku that convinces me that he's not entirely evil.
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The real question is: "Does Saruman have yellow eyes?"
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In honor of this thread, I thought I'd post the Jedi Drinking Song again. Unfortunately, it looks like the Dust Rhinos have stopped offering it as a free download. That means you can only listen to about half of it.
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dustrhinos/from/celtic/
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3) It's not Kessel and I think they are beetle-like thingys being ridden by the Geonosians (the bug guys from Ep2)
5) Definately something new ;D
7) I believe that is the new Jedi starfighter design
11) From the behins the scenes set diaries that I've read (released on the pay part of starwars.com) there are indeed areas of Kashyyyk that are not completely forested. (or even frosted...mmmm!)
12) Spooky-looking guy has not appeared in any cartoons to date. May change with round 3 of Clone Wars next year.
23) Gotta be Sidious or Anakin/Vader taking out Mace. Either that or he goes down under a batallion of droids so someone can escape.
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The craft at the end looks like an early proto-type of an x-wing. Not sure if anyone's pointed that out yet.
My reaction to the trailer: Ok, it's going to be pretty cool, there will be some awesome fight scenes, but I feel like the story is going to be a crappy repeat of the first two. And even more uncomfortable with the Anakin/Amedala relationship. Conflicts that are going to have to be resolved will be done so with such unappeal that it may feel rather flakey. I know lots of youse guys here are big fans and all, but I'm letting myself get hyped now, so that in a few minutes I can bring myself back down.
These and other opinions are just that, and mean nothing to anyone else other than the sole expressionier of those opinions. So, take no heed when reading them. I have no basis of knowledge.
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Yeah, the Anakin/Amidala thing is my biggest problem too. I don't think that they've really shown any reason why she should like him--you're just supposed to accept it. Their romance seems forced and unrealistic.
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uhm... this is not disagreement, but wonder. What WOULD it take to make them like each other?
See, most of my "I like her" or even "I love her" sorts of feelings have come from a basis of not really knowing anything about the girl. I just saw her, I talked with her a couple times, and she seems cute and/or cool. People go into deep relationships for this sort of thing, ESPECIALLY with the wrong person. So, to me, the dialog was poor at best, the directing was iffy, and the acting very blah, but the concept seems fine enough.
They hung out. Travelled across the galaxy (twice) together and then stayed for several days at least (possibly weeks) in a location where they didn't do anything but have leisure time. She saw him exposed emotionally over his mother, she felt his attraction to him. These things may not be everything it takes to form a solid relationship, but let's face it: these people aren't having a stable relationship in the long term. He's gone Jedi-ing most of the time and fighting wars. She runs her political office. They keep things secret and that sense of defying authority can go a long way to holding people together when they would other wise break up.
So I just wonder, what else do you think it would take?
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I just want to be incredibly pessimistic about this movie is all. Everyone could blow up at one point or another, and I'd still try to draw something bad out of that. =P
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A poor foundation for the Anakin/Padme relationship is a problem of the second movie, no the third--by the time the movie starts they're already married and, I expect, starting to drift apart.
And Dex, I really don't think the bug/robot things are being ridden by Geonosians. I could be wrong, of course, but it doesn't look like they're on Geonosia and I can't find any other hints that would lead to that conclusion.
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Are you dropping letters again? Because it changes the whole sense of your post if that "no" is really supposed to be "not"
It also sounds like you can't figure out what your opinion is if you meant "no"
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uhm... this is not disagreement, but wonder. What WOULD it take to make them like each other?
See, most of my "I like her" or even "I love her" sorts of feelings have come from a basis of not really knowing anything about the girl. I just saw her, I talked with her a couple times, and she seems cute and/or cool. People go into deep relationships for this sort of thing, ESPECIALLY with the wrong person. So, to me, the dialog was poor at best, the directing was iffy, and the acting very blah, but the concept seems fine enough.
They hung out. Travelled across the galaxy (twice) together and then stayed for several days at least (possibly weeks) in a location where they didn't do anything but have leisure time. She saw him exposed emotionally over his mother, she felt his attraction to him. These things may not be everything it takes to form a solid relationship, but let's face it: these people aren't having a stable relationship in the long term. He's gone Jedi-ing most of the time and fighting wars. She runs her political office. They keep things secret and that sense of defying authority can go a long way to holding people together when they would other wise break up.
So I just wonder, what else do you think it would take?
Forgive me but it would take Anakin having some problem with going to the dark-side. As far as I could tell from the second movie, as soon as Obi Wan chose to teach him Anakin hopped on a toboggan down the slippery slope. He's portrayed as a violent, self-absorbed, jerk, beginning to end. Even all the things you talk about, long periods together, etc... would lead Amidala to harbor a growing dislike if not outright hatred for the little twerp rather than Luuuuuuv.
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Nah... good girls always date the bad boys.
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So, is it vice versa then too Jeffe? Kind of feels like it.
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yeah, skar, I think you vastly misinterpret what happens in the real world in terms of what girls are attracted to.
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Nah... good girls always date the bad boys.
Only if they have some redeeming quality that said good girl thinks she can foster.
Show me a redeeming quality in Lucas's Anakin.
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yeah, skar, I think you vastly misinterpret what happens in the real world in terms of what girls are attracted to.
Maybe so. I'm familiar with the good girls falling for the bad boys syndrome though, and, unless I -am- wildly mistaken, the bad boys are usually at least cool. Being a whiny baby is never cool, even if you're a whiny baby with force powers.
I simply didn't buy it, at all.
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More like a whiney cry-baby.
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But he's got l33t Jedi skilz that automatically makes him cool. And anyway he doesnt whine too much around her. Plus she remembers the sweet kid from episode 1, so thats where she sees the "redeeming quality"
Or maybe the making out is pretty good, who knows with girls.
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What's odd is that Anakin seems to have grown faster than Padame. Is that some sort of Jedi mind trick?
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girls hit puberty fast and then slow down, she was supposed to be 15 or 16 in episode 1 and he's 10 or 11. Not a huge age difference
But still she's the older hot babysitter fantasy for him.
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so showing how much he cares for his mother and saving Padme's life don't mean anything?
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Mmmmm, no. Not really. Since he killed those Raiders in cold blood, and saved Padame only out of lust for her. So, nope.
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he expresses his feelings for his mom LONG before he contemplates killing anyone about it
i do however agree with your assessment of his motives, and man he sure is hot. tssssss! rrrrrow!
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If you watch the deleted Naboo scenes on the Ep2 dvd it shows a little more of them interacting. But even better is the novelization which spends more time with them making their relationship a little more believable.
And she's only about 5 years older than him.
Fell, I know their definately not on Geonosis, but the bug guys are hand-in-hand(?) with the Seperatists what with the huge droid factories and that space station thingy ;) Here's (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/Dex1138/beetle2.jpg) an enlargement of that shot. There's something riding those bugs/robots/Gharthim. I just thought they might be Geos since the head is kinda the same shape.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned/caught it but around 1:20 in when Yoda is drawing his saber, there's a familiar looking red-robed figure on the floor on the right :)
Those proto-x-wings were called tri-wings in post-production and almost didn't make it into the film. There was an on-set diary entry about them. At one point they were cut from the film but the fx guys really thought they were cool so I guess they're back in!
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it's easier to see those images when they're in motion, but they look like snouts to me. The Geonosians (http://www.starwars.com/databank/species/geonosian/img/movie_bg.jpg) have protruding heads, but look less snout-like. Or I may be imagining things. I could be wrong. But I don't see wings or the back antlers or anythign either.
POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW:
Are you saying that you think Padme dies? Isn't Leia supposed to be old enough to have at least vague memories of her mother?
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way to mess UBB tags with HTML Saint.
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned/caught it but around 1:20 in when Yoda is drawing his saber, there's a familiar looking red-robed figure on the floor on the right
I think the red robed figure is a new alien in EP3
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/artofrev/2004/11/artofrev20041101.html
And here's a concept sketch of the x-wing like ship.
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/artofrev/2004/08/artofrev20040823.html
Oh, just found this. SW.com finaly has in movie shots of Grievous
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/generalgrievous/
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Cool, I saw an episode of the cartoon where Grievous opened a can on about six jedi and whipped them all soundly (except for big-head man, who's name I can't remember).
And yes, I'll grant that those heads look a lot like Geonosian heads.
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Who cares though? This movie is going to be a pretty big di... what? I can't do what? Hey, put that down, I haven't finished this post yet. No.. don't ...
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Finaly, the ninja monkeys got Gemm, only took them like what? 2 years?
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No, it wasn't the monkeys. It was Mace Windu. But, as I was previously saying, this movie won't have a very definitive grasp.... oh. Hello there. .... I was looking through the Star Wars store for something to... Not working, eh? Until later then....
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Just a guess on the Geos, but they're probably something new.
And my money's on that red robe belonging to one of the Senate/Imperial Guards. They had red robes in Ep2 and I'm guessing Yoda's probably gone to have a chat with the nice senator from Naboo.
I haven't watched the Jedi dvd but I heard that line of Leia's about her mom was removed.
My theory is the kids will be born and everyone will flee Coruscant on the Rebel ship, swing by Dagobah to drop Yoda off (going back to Luke's comment about it being familiar in ESB) then off to Tatooine to drop Luke then to Alderaan with Leia and Bail. What happens to Padme is anyone's guess.
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Potential spoilers ahead, though rest assured that I haven't been reading anything on theforce.net (can't stand the place) and I'm just making theories here.
huh. I watched that DVD. I don't remember anything different about that. I'll have to check it when I get home.
If the line hasn't been removed, Padme definitely dies, though not necessarily on screen (but if not that soon). She died when Leia was very young. Leiahas memories, but they're very vague. I mean, I guess Padme doesn't have to die on screen, but there's too much potential for between the movie episodes with ANakin knowing that Padme is out there somewhere (though he's surprised to learn about his son's existence, if I remember correctly, in Ep V, so he wouldn't necessarily know about kids -- explaining why the heck he just doesn't check his half-brother's estate just out of curiosity to see if his kids are there). Either she dies or they convince Anakin she's dead. Which, now that I think about it, sounds more likely if the kids have to be born still and Leia grow up enough to know something of her.
Alternate theory of the above: Leia doesn't get to be of any age to have memories before Padme dies, but the Force helps her remember even though she was an infant when her mother died.
Questions: why do the twins need to be separated? Are they worried that Luke will grow up like dear old dad?
man, I never would have tried to piece this episode together when I was younger. I think it was my Darth Vader as Faust paper that did it to me. When I first wrote that, I had to piece together what happens in eps 2 and 3, based entirely on Yoda's comment about "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering." I was pretty much right. Anakin's fear for his mother led him to anger: at Obi-Wan, at the Tuskens, and that resulted in hatred, particularly of the tuskens, which drove him to murder an entire tribe -- definitely suffering. That hate just grows and mutates into a lust for power ("I will be powerful enough to stop people from dying") which are played together by Palpatine, turning ANakin into Darth Vader. Lucas has been telling us all along what's going to happen. I just want details and to watch things blow up in the mean time.
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They (Padme & Obi-Wan) probably decided it would reduce the chances of the kids being discovered if they were seperated.
I'm sure once Padme sees what happens to Anakin she wouldn't want the kids visiting him on weekends! ;D
why do the twins need to be separated? Are they worried that Luke will grow up like dear old dad?
Beru: Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He's got too much of his father in him.
Owen: That's what I'm afraid of.
Obi-Wan: To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born. The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him. That is the reason why your sister remains safely anonymous.
Maybe Palpatine knew if Vader knew about his kids he wouldn't be so evil? I bet ol' Palp even tells Anakin the Jedi had something to do with Padme's (apparent) death.
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Dex - exactly. And if they stay together they'll be *KNOWN* as twins, so they had to be separated.
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I'm sure once Padme sees what happens to Anakin she wouldn't want the kids visiting him on weekends!
yeah he might blow up Alderan in a fit of rage.
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can you think of a better time to blow up Alderaan?
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Way to miss my Sarcasm.
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Maybe that admiral was being sarcastic when he blew up Alderaan?
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can you think of a better time to be sarcastic than blowing up Alderaan?
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He was in fact going to offer to put it back afterwards but figured no one'd believe him after they'd seen the true destructive power of his space station. They were all dead too so he just let it go.
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can you think of a better time to...
ok, i'll stop.