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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Shrain on September 10, 2006, 09:00:55 PM
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"You even got Locke to take a swing at you. Hell, that's like getting Ghandi to beat up his kids!"
--James Ford (aka Sawyer)
Oct. 4th 2006: my mom's b-day AND the day that "Lost" kicks off Season III. woohoo!! Suffice it to say, she's very excited about getting such a cool present. What will happen now that the hatch was blown to kingdom come? What is "Henry Gale" plotting next? When will Charlie stop being a git?! Will Hurley ever have another shot at love now that poor Libby's dead? Have we really seen the last of Walt? And Desmond (*sigh*)?
Anyhow, I've been watching Season II on DVD. Dude, I forgot how Jack's wife had been cheating on him when she took off! I had forgotten how the Others only put "good people" on their list. Also, I didn't remember exactly why Kate said she killed her real dad. I hope it means that she and Sawyer will never really get together. Oh, and Sawyer (who I am sure got his name from Locke's con-man daddy) squashed that itty bitty frog. waaaa!
I, for one, can't wait for the next chapter of "Islandtown."
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Wait--is Kate's real dad Sawyer's dad? It's harder to make these connections when you're watching it in real time rather than all together on DVD. Maybe that should be my Netflixing for the next month till the new season comes out!
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Wait--is Kate's real dad Sawyer's dad?
Oh, nope. Sorry for the wrong impression. What happened is that, while Sawyer is all feverish from the bullet wound, Kate feels like her father's ghost is speaking to her through Sawyer's mumbling.
So when he asks, "Why?" Kate thinks her real dad--Wayne--is asking why she killed him. (I think this is right before Sawyer tries to strangle Kate from his sick bed and she runs out, leaving him on the floor).
Later, Kate comes back to answer Sawyer's/Wayne's question:
"Can you hear me? Sawyer? Wayne? I'm probably crazy and this doesn't matter, but maybe you're in there somehow. You asked me a question. You asked me why I -- why I did it. It wasn't because you drove my [adopted] father away, or the way you looked at me, or because you beat her [my mom]. It's because I hated that you were a part of me -- that I would never be good. That I would never have anything good. And every time that I look at Sawyer -- every time I feel something for him -- I see you, Wayne. It makes me sick.
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Tomorrow is LOSTnesday!!! And I'm off work so I can watch it, yay!
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Maybe I'll it before work tonight, and be completely lost because I haven't watched since the middle of the first season... Hmmm, catching up to do, I do have.
Oh Well, the Battlestar Galactica has been my steadfast steed these past few weeks, all leading up to FRIDAY!
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Lost tonight, yay!! (My mom's birthday, too.) I am entirely too excited about the premiere but oh, well. There will be popcorn tonight! ;D
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Did anyone else notice that they were airing a lot of new ads during the premiere of Lost? It was almost like like the superbowl.
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Well, I noticed that about a 1/2 hour of the show was ads, but didn't really pay attention to the content.
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Awww, so no one liked the premier? I, for one, was very interested to see how they were treating the prisoners differently. They have big plans for Jack--he's the only one they're even trying to "turn."
And in the next show, when Ben ("Henry Gale") is telling Jack that he has lived on this island his whole life, *that* was astounding. The Others really must be some kind of prisoners, and I think they want to sabotage the island so they can get off. It was funny when Jack was like, "Haha, yeah, the Red Sox won the World Series. Riiight." But then Ben showed him that clip. A taste of home, indeed. ;)
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And in the next show, when Ben ("Henry Gale") is telling Jack that he has lived on this island his whole life, *that* was astounding.
Yeah, but I didn't believe it. He's said some other stuff that negates that in my mind.
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Hmm. You're right. He'd tell Jack anything, huh. I do think that Ben is dying to get off the island. The blonde shrink, Julia, kinda makes my hair stand on end. She's cunning like Ben but in a more seductive way, which is exactly why she's been trying to cozy up to Jack. The only hope is maybe Jack will end up turning *her*. She doesn't seem happy in castaway suburbia (based on the first scene of the premier).
Oh, and my what a kiss that was with Sawyer and Kate.
It sucks that I was right about Sun not telling the whole truth, though. :P I don't think her boyfriend jumped to his death after Jin pummeled the guy. I'm thinking that Sun's dad had someone waiting to finish the job if Jin just couldn't do it. Sun, what have you done!! And is Jin the daddy or not? :(
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Lost is losing me, actually. The flashbacks aren't really advancing the story any, and the plot moves about as fast as a Robert Jordan book this season. I'm going to be saving up the next few episodes on my DVR and watch them all at once and see if the pace feels like it picks up at all.
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That's a good idea, stacer. I think I'll try that as well. I've been keeping up with the series, but mostly I end up feeling frustrated that I don't know any more of what's happening than I did at the start of this season.
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I've actually thought the first two episodes this season have been outstanding. I wasn't looking forward to another Sun/Jin set of flashbacks, but they even managed to make those interesting for me. I agree about the Robert Jordan comment though--I think it's due to them having four separate plot lines running in an hour a week show. Jack, Kate/Sawyer, Sayid and the Gang, and now this week everyone back at the Hatch Camp. Still, I think they've managed to deal with it well, and I'm interested to see where it goes.
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They have all of this stuff going on that they don't even have time to show us what is going on with the rest of the survivors back at the camp. Granted, probably nothing interesting is happening, but it's weird that they suddenly don't matter!
I feel frustrated. They realized from the beginning that this series could only last so long and I feel they're trying to stretch it out as much as possible. I understand creating suspence, but I think they're taking it a little too far by slowing down the pacing to almost a stand still.
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I agree that things are moving too slow. They really needed to take a different direction with the third season.
So my suggestion, fewer flashbacks and more stuff happening on the Island.
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Yeah. Less flash, more action. I am okay with focusing on what's going on at the Hydra station, but it does need to start giving us some payoffs.
Also, since when did Sayid get so stupid? Or Jin for that matter? "Let's leave Sun on the boat. It'll be so safe! No one will know we have this huge boat anchored out here. Besides, who wants a boat when you're on an island?" I mean, come on! That is just idiotic.
I am hoping that Lost will speed up again now that we're a few shows into it. Right now, Jericho is really grabbing my attention more than Lost.
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Also, since when did Sayid get so stupid? Or Jin for that matter? "Let's leave Sun on the boat. It'll be so safe! No one will know we have this huge boat anchored out here. Besides, who wants a boat when you're on an island?" I mean, come on! That is just idiotic.
Well, to be fair, Sayid did tell Sun about the gun.
Don't get me wrong, I still love this show and will watch every single episode. But what bothers me the most is that they never mention the "monster." You know, that thing that stalked all the people way back in season 1. The cloudy-mist thing that can move on it's own. That's what I want more of! The Others are just annoying and mysterious.
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The Others are annoying because we know they're nowhere CLOSE to explaining what the heck they're up to. And that's really what we want to know about them. They act like... like Cylons. But they're obviously not. They act like the baddest of bad guys, but they THINK they are not bad guys and seem to think their mean actions have a higher cause. So until we know that cause it's going to drive me batty. At least the Cylons have an excuse for being stupid.
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Okay, was I the only one that laughed out loud when Charlie said, "Yeah, trees. I've heard they're wonderful conversationalists."
LOTR reference, if you ask me.
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Yes, it was funny.
I was a lot happier with last nights episode. It had shorter flashbacks and more action. It also seemed to progress the story further than the previous episodes so far this season.
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I still loved last night's episode, but I thought there'd be a lot of haters of it out there. Plot wise, it seemed to only establish that everyone was still alive, and that Locke was going to be more active. That's something that could have been shown in about five minutes.
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Parker, isn't Lost annoying you now? It is me, to be honest. I mean, this past episode we got two new people for no apparent reason. They were completely flat and boring. The episode is full of re-hashed flashbacks from Echo, which still don't make his death very meaningful at all. It was cool to see the electromagnetic beastie again, but it's almost not scary anymore. THey tried to make his death all significatnt and stuff, but I just don't see much there.
Also, who hadn't already guessed that Ben is the one with the humongous tumor on his spine? Anyone? Duh. Though I like that Juliet is trying to tempt Jack into "throwing" the surgery. Still, this stuff was just pretty boring, with only meager little questions being thrown at us and no meat. I don't care about the tumor so much as who these dang people are and why there's this island suburbia. Or why the electro-magnetic beastie exists in the first place. Grrrr. >:(
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Frankly, I've been pretty surprised at how quickly the Lost fervor has died down on Timewasters--and across the country in general, actually. (Since its ratings are down). I've enjoyed this season so far, and the only thing that has me really irritated is that I'll have to wait until January to get new episodes after this week. I think that with Lost, a lot of people are switching to the "Get it on DVD" mentality--it's a great show, but because of the cliffhangers, it's rough to watch from week to week. But if they were to go and answer all the questions in a week or two, then the show would be over.
I really enjoyed this past week's episode. I felt like we found a lot out. The biggest reveal (for me) was what the smoke monster was. I think it's pretty clear that it's the thing that's been manifesting itself to people on the island--from Jack's Dad to Eko's brother to Hurley's Imaginary Friend. So we have a psychic defense system that can take any shape, and it apparently has an agenda--it wanted Eko to do something/behave a certain way, and when Eko said he wouldn't any more, he died. Think of it--earlier, Eko saw the smoke monster, and he was fine. But that was at a time when Locke was losing his fervor. Now Locke's back (inspired by what I believe to be the smoke-monster-as-Boone) to his zealot roots, and so the smoke monster didn't need Eko anymore. I was sad to see Eko go--he was one of my favorite characters--but it seemed like they tied up his story really well. Heck, they even explained what was up with that church he was building.
Question: all the Tailies are dying. Why? True, one could argue it's because of their off-the-set behavior, but I don't think the writers of the show are just going to let it off that easy. I'm interested for an explanation at some point.
What else did we learn? I thought that ploy of Juiet's was fascinating. The eyepatch guy was zany. I agree that the new characters are really sucking right now. (Arzt, anyone?)
Overall, Lost is staying constant for me. I'm getting some answers, but not all of them. This season has been fast moving, and I'll miss it after this week. My prediction for Wed. night: it ends with a big cliff hanger, probably with that scene of a gun to Sawyer's head, and maybe even an offscreen gun shot going off. We'll see, though.
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 I felt like we found a lot out.  The biggest reveal (for me) was what the smoke monster was.... So we have a psychic defense system that can take any shape, and it apparently has an agenda
Yeah, I completely agree about that. It's like a sentient force that has a specific agenda and can project certain images to get what it wants.When Locke and Eko are good, they are immune from its wrath. The thing is, I had already figured as much. I came to this conclusion around the time that Eko saw it for the first time (while Charlie was up in the tree.) Pardon my sloppy statement of wondering "why it exists in the first place."
I meant to say that while I know what it's *purpose* is, I don't know *how* it was created. We sort of know what it's after and how it gets what it wants, yet where did it come from? Is it actually sentient? Did someone create it? Or did someone just catch it? Does it live in the depths of the Earth, created by the electromagnetic rich charge in this part of the world? Or maybe it's just a programmable phenomenon?
*Ahem* Anyhow, the eye patch guy could prove interesting. But his appearance actually made me giggle rather than jump. Oh, and I'll take Arzt [Arnzt?] any day over newbies as forgettable as the two new people we saw last time. Arzt actually knew a little something about dynamite. Not enough though...which made for some very explosively humorous moment, I must say. ;D
I sure hope the next episode gives us more than a few old tidbits. I will miss Eko, though. But he was a pretty scary guy, and becoming a "priest" couldn't even begin to cover up the baaaad stuff he's done. I do wonder if the electromagno beastie is controlled by the same people or person who created the Others' suburbia or if they're working at cross purposes. Hmmmm.
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I can see your point. You have very good questions, and they're questions I'm sure the writers are well aware of. I just wish people would trust them and stick with the show, because if they don't then you get what happened to Alias. Studio execs come in and start dictating the direction the show "needs to go," and all you have is crap. I say, let the story arcs do their thing, and don't rush it. As soon as we have all the answers, then the show's over.
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I can see your point. Â You have very good questions, and they're questions I'm sure the writers are well aware of. Â
Thanks.
I just wish people would trust them and stick with the show, because if they don't then you get what happened to Alias.
Whoa now. All I'm saying is I don't want them going over the *same* ground yet treating it like it's uncharted territory, is all. And don't introduce new main characters just to "delay" what happens with the original alpha characters.
The last two seasons of Alias were particularly muddled and disappointing. My mom's a die-hard fan of Alias and even she got really annoyed with it. I am totally on board with you about letting story arcs take their course, but the middle can't be full of same-old, same-old, right?
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I agree with you. No same-old same-old. But to me, that's totally what the plot line with the Others breaks free of--the same-old. True, I'm dying to know who they think they are, but already this season, we've gone from thinking the Others were crude people living in huts to advanced people with contact to the outside and some sort of overarching agenda. That's an example of providing a whole lot of info/answers all at once, and now they're taking their time revealing the rest.
Like I said, it'll be interesting to see what they have in store for the end of this "miniseries" portion.
As far as my "people should be patient" statement, it wasn't aimed at you in particular. It's more of a statement of confusion about why the boards here have gone silent on what I think is still a great show. Everybody seems to be over in the Heroes thread, or Jericho or someplace. Here? Nothing but tumbleweeds.
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We stopped watching partway through the 2nd season, caught a few episodes here and there (like the season finale), and have no desire to start again. There are no sympathetic characters left to enjoy watching.
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I wouldn't say that there are no sympathetic characters left. I still like Hurley--who hasn't done anything illegal, immoral, or unethical yet.
Some I like because they are be repentant, like Charlie, Echo, and Claire.
The problem is that these characters get little to no screen time.
I really would not be sad is Sawyer, Kate, or Jack died. I used to like Sayid, Jin, and Sun a lot, but now I won't mind if they die either.
As for this season, the story really needs to pick-up. They are re-hashing too much character development.
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Sigh. Now that just irritated me. The episode was way too predictable, nothing significant happened, and now I have to wait till FEBRUARY? You suck, Lost.
Of course, I'll still tune in in February.
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Yeah, I'll tune in when February rolls around, but only out of tradition. The only thing that's gotten Lost this season is my interest in what's going on.
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I was too tickled by the fact that Nathan Fillion was married to a con-artist under a false name who then drugged him to escape... AGAIN... too care much about the rest of the episode.
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Yeah, that was priceless. I couldn't stop giggling to myself. The cool thing is that even before she opened the door at the motel, I was thinking, "Hey, isn't that Mal's voice....?" I was sad, though, that she had been so close to happiness.
I, for one, really enjoyed this one much more than the previous two. New stuff actually happened that was interesting, if kinda sucky--like Kate and Sawyer. But I was cheering for Jack being brave enough to turn the tables on the Others. But the dumb thing is that he doesn't know that they're on a totally different island. So he's basically wasting his leverage. If I were him, I would've at least started asking all sorts of questions about the island and Dharma and such. Still, this one gave me hopes that the rest will be more up to par.
And yet, why the heck are they making us wait until Feb!! arrrrgh! I am most unhappy about that. >:(
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Hey--am I the only person left on this site still watching Lost? If so, you all have missed 2 really good episodes. Last night's was incredible, I thought. Some really nice back story on Desmond, and the flashbacks were the best part of it. Anyone out there watching? Anyone?
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That episode last night was fun to watch. The time travel angle was a nice "Lost" twist, and then the conversation with Charlie at the end...
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/me avoids looking at spoilers long enough to say she's gonna watching it tomorrow night. :)
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I've been pleased with the last two episodes. Though I'll be sad if they get rid of Charlie.
I do like the time-traveling twist. It helped rejuvinate the plot a lot.
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I totally assumed that Desmond was trying to save someone who was meant to die, but I thought it was Claire since he put the lightening rod next to her tent and then saved her from drowning. How would Charlie have even gotten to her in time? The only reason Desmond knew was because of his "flashbacks", so how would Charlie have known? But I did like the episode.
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Yeah, I liked these two quite a bit. Jules' creepy x-husband did not die by accident, that's for sure. Ethan looked nuts even when he's trying to look reassuring. And what sort of headhunters make you an offer while you're in a morgue w/ your ex's corpse, I ask you. *shudder*
As for Des, I am amazed that he's not completely nuts by now. He's not just living a Groundhog Day over and over again but his whole life. eeek! And I suppose I am a little disappointed that the "universe" rather than "God" is what is credited for making course corrections. THat makes it seem like choice doesn't factor in at all, which bothers me. Yeah, this is fictional and everything, but it sort of irks me that they're taking that track.
Oh, and they'd better not kill Charlie. That would suck. >:(
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They might kill Charlie, but I personally doubt it. The only proof we have that the "universe" guides things and makes sure they happen is what the strange old lady said--the strange old lady who, by intervening, made sure that Des didn't change things. She seems mighty suspicious to me, and so I'm suspicious of whatever she says . . .
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As for Des, I am amazed that he's not completely nuts by now. He's not just living a Groundhog Day over and over again but his whole life. eeek!
I didn't get the impression that he is living his life over and over. I got the impression that he lived that small portion over again, but then was back on the island. And from that time forward kept having flashes of things to come. Hmmm.
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Oh, maybe so, Tink. That sure would be less... taxing.
I too feel quite wary of that old lady. She seems like an extension of the island. And, if so, I'm not sure how Charlie will escape from it. Eko sure didn't. :-\
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So I missed last week... so I'm not sure why Charlie is going to die? But I hope not! And I'm not sure I totally get the whole time reliving thing either... I must go in search of the episode I missed.
Thats one thing I kind of like, and kinda dislike about this season. The two different groups pretty much alternate weeks so I can miss last week and not really have missed the Jack/Kate/Sawyer stuff... but I prefer the other group at this point... Jack/Kate/Sawyer stuff is getting a bit repetitive.
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What the....? Hurley & crew driving around in a VW bus listening to an 8-track? Funny, sorta, but... not really that interesting in the grand scheme of things. Pretty ridiculous, actually. That thing was so old, the island monster must've worked mojo on it because rolling it down a hill wouldn't do a thing to improve that rust bucket.
Oh, and I know that Hurley is a momma's boy, but if I were the new Richie Rich, and my mom welcomed my deadbeat dad back into the new house I'd bought her, well then I'd go buy my own house. A bigger one. ;)
As for the previous ep, I don't see what the big deal of "marking" Julia was. I mean, it hurt of course, but does that mean anything else to the Others or was it just a pain punishment? Is there a country club on that island that she can't enter now? Is she banned from her own book club? The Others acted like it was this taboo thing, but it didn't seem like a big deal.
Another question... when Jack is sitting in his cage and wakes up to see a bunch of his captured people standing there... Well, we didn't learn much about why these folks are so complacent now or what it was they were going to watch (besides Jack eating a sandwhich, whoopie). I guess I am glad they're alive and not being tortured like Alex's boyfriend was, yet it doesn't seem to reveal much else. Bummer. I just really want to have some real confict again. *sigh*
Comic link courtesy of SE: http://www.applegeeks.com/lite/index.php?aglitecomic=2007-02-26
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After watching this week's Lost, I actually turned to my roommate and said, "Ugh, does this show even know where it's going anymore? I just want this season to end so I can stop watching it."
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Word on the street says tonight's episode is a doozy, and that a big piece of the puzzle falls into place. It's from a geek-reviewer, so I give it a bit more credence than say . . . the weekly promos. I guess I'll have to wait until tonight to find out.
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All I know is there was a disembodied head last week named Roger (http://www.samandfuzzy.com/archive.php?comicID=288) which is so freaking awesome. Now if only Roger was wearing a sombreo (http://samandfuzzy.com/archive.php?comicID=341)....
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Could Jack be a TRAITOR!?! Nooooooo. It must be an act, right? He's gotta play nice and take care of Ben 'til he can get his ticket back to the real world. Dang, it makes me mad to see him tossing around a football with fake beard man.
Pretty intriguing to find out that Claire and Jack are step siblings, though! Hey, that means that little Aaron is Jack's nephew.
That sonic death fence was disturbing, I gotta say. Very clever too. Locke is making me nervous. That was so stupid to "test" it like that--and yet I guess Mr. Eye Patch Guy would've been too stubborn to give up any info if he was that happy to die an awful death like that. I wanted to slap the fellow around when he told Kate she wouldn't "understand" it if he told her more about the island.
Anyway, this ep felt like we got moving again with the plot and characters, so that makes me happy. The teaser for next week had promise of more good stuff, it seemed like. It's been a while since I wondered about how Locke got paralyzed.
Oh, and last week's ping pong tournament--so funny how Sawyer can't use nicknames for a week. hahaha. And he lost his stash too.
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Pretty intriguing to find out that Claire and Jack are step siblings, though! Hey, that means that little Aaron is Jack's nephew.
Half-siblings, you mean.
I wonder how much of this was planned from the beginning and how much they have added to the plot to extend it.
Did they ever say why Jack's dad went to Australia? I wonder if Claire contacted him to tell her how to let her mom die "legally".
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Well, in one of the Ana Lucia flashbacks--the one where she was Jack's Dad's bodyguard--she drove him to a house where he yelled at a woman for a while and we hear him say that he payed the mortgage for the house and he deserves to see his daughter. So yeah, there's been quite a bit of set up for that particular reveal. I thought it was well handled. I'm enjoying this season immensely.
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Could Jack be a TRAITOR!?! Nooooooo. It must be an act, right?
My vote is for brain washing.
I was pretty shocked about Claire and Jack, but at the same time it all makes some sort of sense... I missed it when it was on but watched it yesterday online and got odd looks from roommates when I ghasped or went OMG randomly (I had headphones on and a laptop in my lap they had no idea what I was doing)
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Half-siblings, you mean.
Er, yep. Silly me.
Anyway, I don't know about brainwashing as the reason for Jack being so happy-go-lucky, especially given the trailer where he seems more sad that she came back--like he's going to have to do something to her (report her or something) that he doesn't want to do. Typically he gets ticked off when she or someone else hasn't heeded his "advice." So his reaction made me wonder. Besides, if they messed with his brain, they might screw up what makes him a good doctor.
The Claire flashbacks were quite sad. To see her keeping her mom alive like that. Not to bring up a sensitive issue, but I really would feel too selfish to keep a loved one on life support after their brain has basically shut down. It does show a pattern with Claire being self-serving, come to think of it. I mean, she's saying goodbye to her comatose mother in order to go give her baby up for adoption. Okay, it could be argued that Aaron would've been better off without her if she were in Australia. But I think she's doing fine as a mom--even though the whole stranded-on-an-island bit forced her to keep the little tike.
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Just thought I'd post that there's now a Rifftrax of the pilot episode of Lost, http://www.rifftrax.com/