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Games => Video Games => Topic started by: Spriggan on May 12, 2004, 09:06:34 AM
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So palladium finaly decides to lincence out Rifts to be made into a Video game, and you'd think they'd actualy try to make it on a system that people play. But no, what do they do? The lincence it exclusivly for the freaking N-gauge wich NO ONE owns. Morons. http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/11/news_6097483.html
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Hahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahaha.
Hahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahaha.
/me pauses and tries to stop laughing, the amount of it is causing him pain.
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Hahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahaha.
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When I first read that article all I could do is bang my head against the table. There still are 3 more days of E3 and I'm hopeing that there's another rifts title that will get announced, one that isn't on a P.O.S system.
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I know platform wars are in the corner, but the N-gage isn't a platform. The N-Gage is a sideways taco that makes the user look like a fool. Announcing a title for N-gage is kinda like saying your going to build a great new car, except it's not going to have an engine and you need to push it everywhere.
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Aye, the N-gauge isn't a platform so it is free game here. The game is sceduled to be released the middle of next year, I woudn't be surprised if the n-gauge was on it's last leg by then. If they wanted to do a handheld game why not go for Sony's PSP wich is more powerfull then the PS2! Or nintendo's new DS handheld (which looks cool).
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The N-Gauge... Brilliant. If only someone owned one, like, anywhere. I was at gamestop last weekend and the guy asked if I wanted to buy one, naturally I said no, and he said, "That's what I figured, we haven't sold a single one since it was released".
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I haven't even heard of this thing. Guess that's part of the problem, eh?
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http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2003-11-01
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I knew there was a game coming out, but I was really hoping it would be...well, not completely stupid. It doesn't matter how good this game is--no one is going to play it. Nobody owns the N-Gage, and they're crazy if they think people will buy one just for a Rifts game.
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Haha. I do actually know someone that owns a NGage. It doesnt look... too bad when he uses it as a phone.
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palladium put up a press release about the game, and this is the only Rifts game that's being made.
http://www.palladiumbooks.com/press/press2004-05.html
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i think they were trying to go for the multi-player aspect of that particular system. I'm not excusing they're screwup, i'm merely trying to explain/understand it...
Their movie better do good now, cause two screw ups like this so close together will put them in the toilet
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The N-Gauge does use Blue tooth wireless which is actualy realy cool, but both the PSP and DS are going to have effectively the same things (the DS will have it built in standard). The down side is that to use the multi-player on the N-Gauge I've been told you have to use your minutes, which hurts alot.
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An interview with the big man himself, Kevin Siembieda.
http://www.wgamer.com/articles/rifts
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so.... basically, he chose them because they kissed up the best by being his loyal fanboys? Man, I knew he had an ego, but still...
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Knowing Palladium as I do, here's my best guess: Nokia offered them the best "no-risk" deal, essentially offering to bear the full cost of development and distribution (and failure) while still cutting Palladium in on the profits. Nokia is the most desperate platform by quite a wide margin, so they probably see this as a last-ditch chance to build a player base and save themselves. From what I hear, Nokia's entire E3 presentation lived and died with Rifts.
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Several Palladium staff members over on their forums aslo pointed out that even if the game dosen't take off as well as it could (becasue it's on the N-Gage) that their primary goal has allready been acheived, and that is bringing a lot of attention to Palladium and hopefuly that will bring more developers to Palladiums door (and willing to agree to Kevins terms). Also I think this is the start of building up intrest in RIFTS for the movie.
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Almost certainly--and since the movie is "optioned" but not officially "in production," they might be using the game as a way of convincing the movie guys that they're serious about promoting their franchise. I just hope the game does better than the CCG, or Siembieda might never stick his toe in the product spinoff waters again.
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You just made me think of somethign Fell, maybe one of the reason Kevin went with Nokia is that since there's a smaller market that has the N-Gage then other consoles the RIFTS game dosen't have to sell a lot of units to be considered a sucess. It's good for the ego and for pointing out the popularity of the title.
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Ah, very likely. I imagine he'll get the game out, wait for it to be as rousing a success as is possible on the N-Gage, and then sell the rights to port it onto other platforms.
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Another interview, which confirms a lot of what we thought: Nokia impressed Siembieda by being Rifts fans, not by showing any kind of realistic business model or player base. This is actually a pretty good interview, though, despite dodging some very hard questions toward the end.
http://forums.palladium-megaverse.com/viewtopic.php?t=21267
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But you're a micro-manager! You'd never let anyone else do anything unless you did it yourself!
Where'd you get that nonsense?
Online.
Well, according to the people online, I don't know anything about what's online, because I'm never online. So there.
that made me laugh
Just FYI that interview Fell posted (that I'm quoteing from) is Kevin interviewing himself.
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Wow, I think they should be able to name a whole new nuerosis based on Kevin Sembienda. They should call it the Palladium syndrom or something like that.
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I'm actualy reading a post on RPG.net (shutters) where Kevin actualy responds to a thread about palladium (and it was confirmed by many ex and current palladium emploies to be him) where KS and Bill Coffin trade blows at each other.
I did learn that KS dosne't use computers for layout of the books, he does them all by hand.
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I shouldn't be surprised, palladium books look like they were laid out by hand. It makes me wonder if Kevin S. is trying to travel back in time by acting as antiquated as possible.
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Well people that hate palladium's layout claim so. But his reason for doing it is becasue he's very fast at doing it that way.
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I guess if you really suck with a computer, then the old way of laying things out would be faster, otherwise laying things out without a computer takes FOREVER. It adds like a gazillion steps.
Hence, chock that up to another concern as to why a Palladium-based video game is going to bite.
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Well I don't think that's a fair statment 42. Just because that's the way he prefers to do it doesn't mean he's computer illerate or that the game will suck. I know you don't like the layouts and that we've allready had this conversation in other threads and it's not nessacery to keep on beating a dead horse. Kevin isn't codeing the game or devloping it, he's makeing sure the game have the "feel" of rifts that's all.
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must... refrain.. from... biting... sarcasm.....
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Why would you want to bite sarcasm?
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because it tastes better that way.
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I prefer licking sarcasm.
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oh. You're one of THOSE people. You probably even know how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a toosie pop, despite the fact that you normally SUCK lollipops, which is why they're also called "suckers," much like YOU!
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Well. That was a release of pent-up anger if I've ever seen one.
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oh, if you want to see anger, I can show you anger.
that was just, y'know, bein' weird.
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There's no need to hide it, we're all friends here--just let it all out. You'll feel better.
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I WILL RIP OUT YOUR SPLEEN AND PAINT THE INSIDE OF YOUR SKULL WITH IT! YOUR TONGUE WILL DECORATE YOUR RIB CAGE AND YOUR STILL PULSING BRAIN WILL BE GROUND UNDER YOUR OWN BONES!
I try to be creative with my anger, does it work for you?
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Arg! It turns out the Rifts game will be a freaking turn-based tactical RPG! It's as if God is mocking me.
http://ngage.gamespy.com/n-gage/rifts/518026p1.html?fromint=1
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He's mocking both of us Fell.
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and some of us are laughing along.
I mean, D&D gets NWN, and Palladium gets N-Gage. You have to admit, it says something.
What, I don't know. But SOMETHING.
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Not much considering how much NWN sucks.
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Not much considering how much NWN sucks.
says the man getting a turn-based tactical RPG on the N-Gage.
Pot. Kettle. Blacker than sin at midnight.
besides, I like NWN, and I knwo many who do. It's very re-playable and there are a lot of good adventures. I've never tried it as a DM tool, but playing it is a blast.
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ugg, I dont think we need to go down this avenue again. The majority of people here know how I feel about NWN, we'll just leave it at that.
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I have only one thing to say regarding this whole topic of RIFTS on the N-Gage.
WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I have never seen such a brutal display of self castration as this.
Though I admire Palladium and RIFTS, KS lost a lot of respect from me for his reasons for choosing the N-Gage.
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Here's the first preview of the game with some screenshots: http://www.gamespot.com/ngage/rpg/rifts/preview_6107500.html
Why'd they do this? They could have continued the CCG (which was awesome!), but no, they have to make an N-Gage game.
Sigh.
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ugg, while I like Tactical RPGS, I think going with a low rez-16 bit graphics over 3d was a mistake since the N-Gauge can actauly do PS1 quality stuff.
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You know... I hate to say it, but this is almost enough for me to abandon RIFTS altogether, and go over to D20 Modern.
How could KS resort to such crap when there are so many better options available?
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Because as many have said, Nokia saught him out and kissed his butt. KS is a control freak, and I doubt until now he actualy had an offer that allowed him the control he wanted. Also several Palladium people have stated that what they want from this game is to generate enough intrest in RIFTS as a licenece for more things.
Of course grahics don't allwayse do a game justice, it could he a very good game. What I'm, and others, are annoyed with is that if it is good it's stuck on a crappy game system that we wont buy even if the game gets a perfect 10.
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The whole reason this is going on is due to that is about one simple fact. The $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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I agree Sprig. They could have done something, say on xbox, with xbox live for interaction capabilities, and possibly rivaled HALO...possibly. Or they could have done something on a PS2 level where you don't get as much interaction, but still have produced a game that would be much better, and more widely received, in my opinion, that putting it N-Gage. Take Final Fantasy series for an example. I really enjoyed VII and would have purchased a RIFTS thing for PS2 had it had a feel similar to that. Granted, I prefer mutliplayer capability in any game as I usually have somebody over and we beat the crap out of each other or the computer, but there is potential to do something like that on both the PS2 and the XBOX and I know a lot more people who won those systems.
It is just frustrating because I know the potential that this game could have, but I don't feel that KS will be able to reach that potential on the platform he has chosen.
Hopefully, this N-Gage move will give him a starting point to better negotiate a contract with one of the major systems, but I am afraid that it will end up being a black hole as there is just not enough users of the N-gage system.
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I have to agree with Nicadymus and Spriggan. Hopefully, the N-Gage a system that suck on a hole new level will move to a better system. This game have the greatest potential to make Halo look like a kids game, but only if they do it right. You can go either shot the up CS style like Halo or a RPG game base on magic and spells. The sky is unlimited in this world.
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Well, sure, if you're going to compare it Halo and CS and Final Fantasy any game's going to look crappy. The big question is whether or not Palladium could have landed a developer capable of doing something at that level; I have to think that, at this point, they couldn't. By starting with the N-Gage they can put out a cool game which no one will play but industry insiders, but when those insiders see the potential more doors will open and better developers will be available on better systems.
Look at Games Workshop: how many times have they tried to do video games, and they all suck. Now that they've worked up enough interest, however, they were able to get Relic and have apparently produced a really good game in Dawn of War.
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Yes... because Chaos Gate and Dark Omen were both crap games.
Oh wait, no they weren't.
But yes, Dawn of War is very good. Though the Single Player campaign was a bit small and petite.
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I see your point, Fellfrosch, but it is going to take to long to get a good game out into the market. I am worried that the market for this game will be ruined due to it being on the N-Gage. A system that sucks no matter how you look at it.
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I can understand that the N-Gage is a stepping stone, and can respect that. I still don't know if I think it was the wisest move to be made.
I want to play the game because I think it will be fun, and want to support Palladium, but I won't get an N-Gage just for the game. I think that there are a lot of people out there with that opinion, and that is my concern. It won't do as well as expected because not everyone who is interested will pick-up a whole new system just for that game.
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Here's something that shows why no one will buy an N-Gauge:
http://www.gamespot.com/mobile/rpg/kingdomhearts/preview_6109704.html
That's kingdom hearts for a moblie phone, and no it's not for the n-gauge, it's in 3D and looks as good as most PS1 games. Don't know which phones it's for since there's no info on that on GS or disneys site.
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Sprig... I don't know if you are trying to make things better or worse? Are you trying to tempt me with what could/should have been done for the RIFTS world, or are you just trying to rub it in my face that I am not getting what I want when I know that it is possible, or a little of both? ;) ;D
Either way, I think that comparing what Disney can get backing for and Palladium can get backing for are 2 different things, to conceed what others would argue.
However, knowing that there is a way to get the kind of quality I desire for the RIFTS game, on a mobile platform, although I don't necessarily want a mobile platform for it, does damage KS's starting point even more, in my opinion.