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Games => Video Games => Topic started by: Spriggan on May 17, 2005, 10:01:07 PM
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I'm watching Nintendo's press confrence and the Revolution will be able to play games all the way back to the 8-bit nintendo that you'll be able to download from Nintendo via their wi-fi network.
Hot crap that's awsome.
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That is the single best piece of news that I have heard in regard to video games in several years. Nintendo and Super Nintendo games are the whip. I hope that they don't decide to abandon their promises at the last minute because of something stupid like not enough time for development.
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they allready confirmed that the revolution is a vurtual box so basicaly they're just running emulators inside their system.
I for one am giddy over their wi-fi system that the DS and Revolution will be useing. You won't need to have an internet connection at your house to be able to play and it won't cost a thing. YEA!
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Freedom at last, SWWEEEEEEEEETTT!
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We finally know what nintendo's new controller looks like and is used for, and after reading it over I have to say they very well could live up to this console's name.
You'll prob ally go "What the..? That's not cool." on first sight but read the articles to see why it is. It's basically a "mouse in 3d space" the system can tell the difference when you move it right, left, up down, forward and backwords.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/15/news_6133335.html?q=1&tag=gs_hp_flashtop_bg
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143782
http://www.revo-europe.com/news.php?nid=8241
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I think it is best to wait to see how real, non-tech demo, games use this device before we jump to any conclusions about it's 'awesomeness'. It could work great. It could be a gaudy piece of crap.
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I don't know--I'm pretty hyped for it. It looks very different, and different in this case could be very good. I was really skeptical about the DS even after its release. Used it in stores a couple of times and couldn't figure the darn thing out. Then I got one as a gift, and I'm loving it. It makes for a whole different style of gaming, while still being able to accomodate the old style. This looks like the same thing to me--you can put the controller in the shell thingie, and then it's a normal controller. You get both options, not one. I agree that it depends on the software, but I'm willing to bet Nintendo at least will have some slick games for it. With the exception of Virtual Boy, they've usually been spot on for me. I'm anxious to see where this leads. Anything that gets my wife to play with me would be a good thing--and this looks like something she wouldn't be scared of.
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I believe Nintendo is going the right direction. They *cannot* compete with the juggernauts that are Sony and Microsoft, at least not on their level. So they need to do what Apple did, and create a different product with a different style. They'll probably never gain the market share of Sony or MS, but people will still love and buy their products.
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Let me say I agree with Entropy on the point that we should wait until actual games come out to say whether or not is awesome or the like, but it is different and that's what's peaked my interest.
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So some Specs were "leaked" and if you want to pretend what they all mean then this blog is for you.
http://arstechnica.com/staff/carthage.ars/2005/9/23/1348
1 IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz with 256 KB L1 cache and 1 MB of L2 cache (an L3 cache is rumored). It's Dual Threaded.
The theory that this is a modified 970 (with hyperthreading + a specialized L1) makes even more sense when you think about the Revolution's form factor. You could probably fit the current low-power 970FX comfortably into the Revolution's form factor at 2.5GHz. If you couple this with another block of specialized hardware (whatever this PPU thing is), either on the same die or in the same package, then the Revolution looks pretty nice from gamer's standpoint. Just as importantly, from a developer's standpoint this makes the Revolution your favorite next-gen console. In contrast to the exotic Xenon and Cell parts, the 970 is a fairly conventional CPU architecture that doesn't rely too heavily on multithreading for performance increases. This means that it will be much easier to develop for than either Microsoft's or Sony's consoles.
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Dude. I saw the teaser video, I read all three articles Spriggan linked, I am bloody excited.
I may just have to buy one when it comes out.
It looks like it fills a deepseated need I didn't even know I had.
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The rumors are true! The revolution will play game from the old Sega systems and the Turbografx!
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6146528.html
According to Nintendo, over 1,000 games for Sega's Genesis console, released in 1989, will be added to the Revolution's library. Joining them will be an undisclosed number of titles from the Hudson's TurboGrafx console, also released in 1989 and codeveloped by electronics giant NEC.
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Jigga-what? How on earth did Nintendo manage that? Now, if they only reveal that when they said Genesis & Turbo-Graphx, they're also including games that were released for the CD attachments for those systems, I'm going to be really excited.
I'm worried somewhat about price, mostly because Nintendo had the nerve to release a few old NES games on the GBA at $20 a pop about a year or two ago. If Nintendo prices these game downloads at around $5-$10 for the popular stuff and less for everything else, then they've got a winner. If they price things higher than that, I think people are just going to stay with the option they've been using up to now (play these games on computer emulators for free).
On the other hand, the Playstation 3 is supposedly able to run PS1 & PS2 games with no problems (in high definition no less!) so it's not like the Revolution is the only system in town that's going to have a huge backlog of awesome games. Moreover, it's already been confirmed that PS3 games aren't going to be region specific which means its quite possible that not only will the PS3 be able to play old PS1 & PS2 games, but it will also be able to play old import games as well.
I'll probably buy a Revolution at launch assuming there's something decent for it and then pick up a PS3 when it starts getting the good RPGs. I imagine in the end, I'll have more games for the PS3 than the Revolution just like my Gamecube vs PS2 situation (if it wasn't for RE4, Naruto 4, and the upcoming Zelda: Twilight Princess, I would just pack my Gamecube away).
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Nintendo hasn't released prices, but rumors are the system will be $150 and games will be anywhere from $.99-$5 depending on the game.
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I'm personally the only one of my friends who would rather have a revolution than the other systems, the PS3 may come second though, just to be an overall entertainment/DVD center.
Does anyone know any kind of real release date for it? I can't seem to find anything.
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Nothing official but everyone expects November. We should know after E3 in May.
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Wish I could make it to E3.
Do we have insiders on this site?
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You make it to E3, but this year they've decided to make it a cross-stitching expo.
er... wait... wrong thread.
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Do we have insiders on this site?
We do but he rarely logs on, also I've already grilled him over what he knows about the Rev and PS3 and all he tells me is "sorry have a NDA".
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And who would this insider be? Prometheus? Gorgon? Kije? Pleasington? I must know!
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umm...lets go with Gorgon.
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Yes, of course, who else could I have meant? So, Gorgon is the insider? Interesting...
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You make it to E3, but this year they've decided to make it a cross-stitching expo.
er... wait... wrong thread.
haha, wrong forum even.
I hate NDA's, unless I was Sony or Nintendo, then I would probably like them.
Well... I guess I will have to wait till May.. I have to wait till November anyway.
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*cry*
Nintendo is like Microsoft, they have cool production names for their products then rename them into something lame.
So the Revolution is now called WII (pronouced Wee, as in fun you know wee!), ugg. We is supposed to me "we" so like we're all togethor or some crap like that.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148462.html
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Ahhh hahahahaha!
I think that is an awesome name!
That has a billion things you can do with it from a marketing standpoint.
Just my opinion.
I am excited for it.
Wii!!!
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Hey, just found this thread and read through it.
Personaly I think everyone will just keep calling it the Revolution. Kind of like the Smith Family Living Center (at BYU). You can change the name, but noone stoped calling it the SiFLiCk.
Oh, and I'll be at E3 this year. I'll let you know what I see from there. I'll be all over Nintendo's booth with my DS to see what they have broadcasting from their WiFi stations there. I'll just have to stop by the Wii area as well.
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I don't think i ever *started* calling it the SiFLiC
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Neither did I, it's kind of a lame abbreviation for a building if you ask me.
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It's a thousand times better when it's pronounced with a sibilant C. eg. "Syphillis" That's why I switched to the abbreviation...
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Ahh, ya I've heard it called that before.
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yeah, syphillis I've used.
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yeah, syphillis I've used.
Just wondering if you realized what you said.
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hehe, this made me giggle.
http://dontfearthewiiper.ytmnd.com/
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Just wondering if you realized what you said.
Yeah, used, not had. Used. As a bioterror weapon.
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Zelda: Twilite Princess is now a Wii launch title.
Ok, I've been watching the demo and this game will rock more then anything else.
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I can't say I'm surprised at the change of platform, but I'm a tad disappointed. Just means we'll have to wait longer to play it. I wish I could see Nintendo's E3 conference, but Gamespot's overloaded right now, and I can't get it elsewhere. I'll have to read up on it tonight.
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I connected once I got to work so I was in for about 30-40 minutes before it started. Gamespot will have a downloadable version of the conference later today.
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in DS news there are 100+ titles scheduled for this year including:
Starfox DS
Zelda DS
Crystal Cronicles
FF3
I know that I'm stoked for wifi Starfox combat.
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Well this is a huge dissapointment, Nintendo has decided to not give a price or release date for the Wii today.
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Besides no price or release date the other big disappointment from Nintendo's conference was no info on the new Smash Bros. game. Well it looks like Nintendo was keeping something under their hat, which also might mean they'll still announce a price and date (joystiq mentioned they were told their price of $250 was wrong).
Anyway all the usual characters plus:
Wario
Pit (from kid Icarus. Nintendo also mentioned they're interested in making a new Icarus game too!)
Suit-less Samas
And Sold Snake......Cool.
There are other 3rd party characters Nintendo is working on getting, which has all the fan boys hoping Sonic is one of them.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/10/super-smash-bros-brawl-revealed-for-wii-featuring-solid-snake/
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I've been by far the most impressed with Wii at E3. I think Nintendo's making a huge comeback, buzz-wise. Of course, I was already pretty interested in it before E3, too. (And the name is growing on me like mold on a three week old orange.) PS3 has been a big disappointment so far. I'm actually leaning more toward getting a 360 instead of a PS3 as a second system (after Wii).
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I think its funny you created two threads for PS3 and Xbox but not a new one for the Wii, but yes I too have been impressed by Wii at E3. Very Impressed. Now I just need mario cart and Im all set.
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I didn't create a new one for the Wii since there was allready a discussion thread for the game system on page one, the PS3 and 360's threads are all back a bit.
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Apperntly everyone thinks you need to buy a Wii including Microsoft and Sony who both have touted how great an idea it is to by Nintendo's new system along with theirs.
Well played Nintendo
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060515-6836.html
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I think that's hilarious. So much for cutthroat tactics against Nintendo--it's almost like both sides are now saying they're fighting for second. Of course, what they probably mean is that if people buy two systems, they'll buy theirs AND a Wii. Still, Nintendo might really benefit by having Microsoft and Sony catfighting so much.
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I don't think either company was planning cut throat tactics against Nintendo because neither of them see themselves as directly competing with Nintendo.
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I don't know--I think that's just spin talking. I know that's what they're claiming, but if that's true, then it seems they're saying "We're going for hardcore gamers who are obsessed with graphics and power, whereas Nintendo is going for everybody else." That doesn't seem like a genius plan to me.
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Well, it would appear, at this point, that there isn't much they can do to stop something like that. Neither Sony nor Microsoft was prepared for Nintendo to release a truly revolutionary control system for their console, and it is a bit late to start now. Although Sony hasn't released their system yet, I highly doubt that they could take the time to reconfigure their system to allow for something like this, and still be competitive, even if they could get past inevitable patent issues. The 360 has already been released, which means that there is no way that they could possibly adapt to compete with the Revolution at this point. Assuming that the new control system is well-received, that leaves Nintendo in the driver's seat, and Sony and Microsoft wondering how they can do damage control. They can lower prices like Nintendo did with the Gamecube. They can rely on their graphics as their primary draw. Or, they can rely on their game designers to release games that are good enough to support their system.
On a separate note, I'm glad that Nintendo has finally done something to restore themselves to their former glory. Here's hoping they don't screw it up.
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I don't know--I think that's just spin talking. I know that's what they're claiming, but if that's true, then it seems they're saying "We're going for hardcore gamers who are obsessed with graphics and power, whereas Nintendo is going for everybody else." That doesn't seem like a genius plan to me.
Thing is Microsoft and Sony both see themselves as doing just that, the argument because what percentage is that "everyone else". Nintendo thinks there's a lot of people they can get with this approach while the other two see themselves as going for the majority while Nintendo is going after a "niche market". You also have to take into account that the 360 and PS3 are touted as "media centers" and not game systems which is the approach Sony and MS are taking to expand their market and lets face it your average gamer does want the graphic level those two systems offer but not many are willing to pay the amount both cost. The Wii has nice graphics, not sure of the exact specs but most people see it as only slightly more powerful then the Gamecube, that still look decent now but in a few years will be horribly outdated. So I see Sony and MS saying "the Wii will be fun but in the long run you will want something that offers as much as our systems do".
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And I'll probably get a PS3 or 360--in a few years, when the price has dropped. But in the meantime, the Wii will be my "upgrade," and I can see a lot of people--especially parents--thinking the same. Wait out the console wars between Sony and Microsoft, then buy the winner. Wii plays DVDs, Gamecube games, Wii games, and all the others. It's a steal.
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Got to love Joystiq
(http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/05/Wii-jealousy-w00t.jpg)
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I could be wrong, but as an invester I would be terrified to put any stock in this new system. It sounds glorious and visionary, but wouldn't I have to go out and bye a big screen, flat screen, or digital projector to enjoy the new gaming style??
I think that after the first market leap, this system will have serious losses. This may be another mistake by Nintendo, and the system could be before it's time. The games will most likely be difficult to format and supply the demand.
I mean, How accurate is the new remote system?? will it be this thing were as long as I'm close to the target with my aim, it magically explodes?? Or will it be *very* precise and live up to the marketing allusion?
I think the first few games might be revolutionary, but this fad will be fleating. I'm puting my money into a stable market like Microsoft and Playstation. At least the risk is backed up with more than hope.
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How much have you read about Wii? Why would you need a large tv screen? To aim better? As for formatting the games, everything I've read points to game makers being able to complete games for a third of the price as games for PS3 and 360. True, the graphics aren't going to be as stellar, but they'll have new, innovative games for less money, a system for less money, and a huge backlog of games. All the buzz from people who've been playing the thing has been enormously positive, and that's just with the initial batch of games. Usually it takes a while for a system to get its legs and start really churning out some quality titles. There are launch titles for Wii that make me really want to get the system. Not so for 360, and looking grim for PS3.
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I'm with Parker on this, you wouldnt need to buy a new T.V., unless you don't think you could aim effectively on a smaller television.
Anyway, the only one you would need to buy a new T.V. for is the PS3, since it has a graphics card that can go beyond anything that a current system can support. Which means, that in 2-3 years when the next T.V.'s come out with high er resolution, it will be able to support that.
That is the only one I could justify buying a new T.V. for.
I don't think I would though.
My wife and I are going to get a Wii when it comes out, and then maybe look into getting a PS3 when the price drops, it sounds like that is the most trendy thing to do, if you want a new system, but don't feel like going with the price tags of the other guys.
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The Wii motion controll has very little to do with the TV and everything to do with the sensor you set ontop of the TV.
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Apperently the Japanese don't give a flip about the Wii, according to 1up all the intrested is in the PS3 overseas.
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Really? Could you cut and paste the article in here--my internet's being a bit buggy, and I'd like to read it. Crazy Japanese.
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Not going to paste a whole article even if it is short, sorry, but I'll post some of the stuff.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150896
top 10 things
Impressions of the PS3 controller
Final Fantasy XIII information
PS3 price and release date
Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Snake playable announcment
PS3 menu & interface
PS3 online service
PS3 game pics
Polymorphic content surrounding FFXIII
Dragon Quest Swords
Square-Enix game pics
The only Nintendo items: Smash Bos and Dragon Quest.
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Who did they poll, then? What was their sample?
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Gamers. Seriously what's with the 3rd degree here? You need to take a chill pill or something. It was a game site over there, but it's not surprising considering that this wouldn't be the first Nintendo console to be mostly supported by non-Japanese developers and consumers.
No one in Japan bought the N64, just like there were only 4 or so Japanese game developers actually make any games for that system, everything else was US made. Plus SONY has like 80% of the gaming console market in Japan, Nintendo has a bigger market here in the states. Why do you think the original DS was released here first and Nintendo has commented that the Wii will probably launch in the US first? They also release most of their games here first too that are the non-Mario ones, ie Metriod and Zelda, because they're more popular in the states.
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Didn't mean to be giving you the 3rd--I was just curious. I'll read the article when I can get my connection hashed out.
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NP. I should also add that the 1up article won't answer your questions because they don't mention anything along the lines of demograhics and such.
Another tid-bit for you all. According to PA the Wii was a no show at E3 becasue people weren't actually playing the Wii but modified gamecubes. Intresting.
we were told that "all showfloor games were actually running on GameCubes." I've chosen not to really integrate that kind of information into my impressions. One developer told us that the demo units had the sensitivity on the remotes jacked up to some ridiculous degree. No doubt when the device is in your own home, you calibrate it the same as you would your DS or any other non-standard input. I relate this item with a bit more confidence. Add that to the fact that every video of people playing the system shows them utilizing gross motor movements and generally behaving like spazmoids, and you have a scenario where their own promotional materials have taught every person to play it wrong.
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Okay, I just got to read the 1up article, and it irritated me. The reason I had asked to know about the sampling was that it's a pet peeve of mine when studies are cited to "show" something, but they don't explain how the study was performed. Where was the survey done? How did they select the subjects? That sort of thing can make a huge difference on the results. Not knowing it leaves me just sort of shrugging my shoulders about the "findings." Could be interesting, but I'd have to know what they did to put any faith in it.
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http://curmudgeongamer.com/imgdisplay.php3?shotfile=console-prices-relative.png
That chart is rather interesting, it shows the cost of pretty much every gaming system adjusted for inflation. They only company with multiple systesm that has managed to actually lower the price of their systems is Nintendo.
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Look framiliar Sprigg? Cause thats where the link goes (just posting to let you know as my nieghbor would say, only for him it would be calling).
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To answer a previous statement: I don't think I would need a bigger screen to improve *aim*. I just think it wouldn't be as enjoyable without a more spacious screen. That's just me. I have this little TV, and I *know* it would be kind of pointless to be clicking at objects that are inches apart.
But I guess a bigger screen would increase gameplay for the other models as well. I just think it would almost be a *must* for the Revolution. Especially with the game setup (which I realize will vary from game to game).
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Look framiliar Sprigg? Cause thats where the link goes (just posting to let you know as my nieghbor would say, only for him it would be calling).
Odd was working yesterday. I'll fix it once I have some time tonight to maybe host the image myself.
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Sorry, I can't help myself, from Joystiq:
(http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/05/o_wiily_owl.jpg)
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hahahaa.. it's like,,, Reeeeaaaallly... but.. "Wii" Ly!!!
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Is that the joke?! Because I totally didn't get it until you explained it!
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o rly?
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SE wins the internet.
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Totally is the joke!
Seriously. I hate puns.
But I enjoy the fact that Spriggan couldn't resist. :)
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I still laugh every time I see that image. He's got his cute little mustache, hat and wiimote, how can you not love that image? He's such a happy owl with that gettup.
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He's just soo excited for whatever reason. awww.. cute.... mario..owl....
he needs a new name.
Like, Morly!
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As in Jacob Morley? I don't think so.
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...ok, How about Orlio?
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no wai!!
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Ok some real news about pricing.
The actual price and release date of the Wii won't be announced until September.
Downloadable content will range from about $5-$9
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060607-7009.html
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I do believe that the price will be 300 dollers...but thats just me.
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No, the system won't sell for $300. Although the actual price hasn't been announced yet, Nintendo has gone on the record and said that the price of the system will not exceed $250 USD. I personally think they're going to sell it for $200 since the price that they said they wouldn't exceed in Japan translates out to around $225 USD and the price of the Gamecube at launch was cheaper in the US than it was in Japan.
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Also Nintendo has never released a system for more then $200 in the US before so why start now?
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....inflation?
I think they will keep it down. But we will see.. I think even if it did cost upwards of 300, I would still get one.