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Howdy,
I have read enough books to suspect that a major character will allmost always die; Kelsier in book one, there were a handful in book two. So the question remains, who will survive book three? Who won't...
I think i listed all the possible choices, including none for those deniers(probably the younger readers) and all for those of you who are probably slightly demented... :D!
To compliment the "the countdown" thread and any future releases of chapters, i set the "allow users to change vote," option on. So if anything arises that changes your mind, and or if Andrew, Chaose2651 or Ookla stumble upon a revelation of some sort, the option is there--i only ask that you explain the reasons behind the change.
So there it is, vote and explain yourself.
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Can you make a poll that allows checkmark voting rather than radio-button voting?
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I object on the basis that this poll has neither Ruin nor Preservation on it. Heck, there's not even an "all of them" option, though "more than one" is all right.
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Sure, Ookla, i can try.
And for Chaos2651, All of them. Wouldnt that be catastrophic? Seriously, it would be total chaos...oh, ok i see.
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Ookla, im not sure how to do that exactly. If you could just tell me, and i'll get right on it.
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Mmm... I'm not sure, but maybe make the "maximum votes per user" equal to the number of choices? Though, people could skew one answer... Maybe it's not possible.
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Mmm... I'm not sure, but maybe make the "maximum votes per user" equal to the number of choices? Though, people could skew one answer... Maybe it's not possible.
On it.
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I'm not one who thinks that all main characters will die in this book but I do think it is possable. Maybe in some major event. I for one do however think that at least two of these characters will die. I would assume that in HoA Marsh will still be under control but not entirely. I think there will be a constant battle inside of him over who is in control, him or Ruin. This battle will probably culminate in some decisive action taken by Marsh in a moment of control where he sacrifices himself for some greater goal. I am also of the mind to think that another supporting character will die, probably Breeze or Spook. Both characters under go a change in the final book that is pivotal to their character. Although I also feel that one of the major characters will die as-well (i.e. Vin, Elend, Sazed) I have yet to decide which one and why.
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I object on the basis that this poll has neither Ruin nor Preservation on it.
At least you think it didn't have Ruin or Preservation on it. And now one of them could be listed twice.
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I object on the basis that this poll has neither Ruin nor Preservation on it.
At least you think it didn't have Ruin or Preservation on it. And now one of them could be listed twice.
You... suck. You suck so much.
Also, you take far too much pleasure in that.
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I find that practice is making perfect. :)
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I find that practice is making perfect. :)
Less than 23 days, Ookla! The Countdown thread marks down your doom!
MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!
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Doom.
That is until the next book Brandon writes is set to drop and he harasses us all again with his insight. But at least for some time he will be no better than you or I.
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My prediction for the end of the book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqcn_TPu4qQ
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That is until the next book Brandon writes is set to drop and he harasses us all again with his insight. But at least for some time he will be no better than you or me.
Except that I've read Scribbler, and Way of Kings, and Dragonsteel, and Alcatraz 3...
I don't get to read AMoL though, alas. Of course, if I did get to, you wouldn't hear a peep about it from me. I can keep my mouth shut when it's in my own best interest.
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Except that I've read Scribbler
Thought you said they were going to break it into two books, in which case it may be new to you too.
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My prediction for the end of the book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqcn_TPu4qQ
So let me get this straight, your prediction for the end of the book is the unexpected entrance of tiny aliens singing a doom song?
I think your on to something!
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See Ook that is what I meant. It will be until we are awaiting the next release of Brandons after MB3 that you will again have power over us. Alas. . . I feel this weight that shall never be lifted. It feels as if Ooks oppressive use of insider knowledge will be pressing upon us forever. Will we ever find release??? I think not.
But in reality. For everything that I would give to have already read these books, I enjoy this. This pure simple form of theorizing with other fans who want to read this book as much as I do. I also enjoy the jabs Ook sends our way for I know that if I were the one in his position you would all dislike me very much. I would find so much evil pleasure in the use of this knowledge that I don't know if I would ever stop harassing fans.
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If I didn't think you got as much of a kick out of it as me (okay, well, perhaps not quite as much), I would probably stop. It wouldn't be any fun if it didn't prompt interesting conversation. Believe it or not, I'm actually not someone who enjoys torture for torture's sake.
Also there may come a day when I feel my job is done. Or Brandon may ask me to stop. Once a community reaches a certain size, it has its own momentum and doesn't need any insider injection.
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I see. I would have pegged you for someone who enjoyed everything you did. But I can also see the reasoning for an insiders thoughts on subjects. I guess that puts you and me in different boats. I for one do not kid myself with thinking I wouldn't do if for fun. I would relish the times that people were close to a discovery just to dash those hopes with a little twist of words or a little false implied meaning.
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My prediction for the end of the book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqcn_TPu4qQ
So let me get this straight, your prediction for the end of the book is the unexpected entrance of tiny aliens singing a doom song?
I think your on to something!
It was more an allegory of doom ruling all in the end. lol
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I can't complain about Ookla too much. Some insider knowledge is better than no insider knowledge, you know, so it's all good. And I already knew he's read later books of Brandon's, but if I mentioned that in my doom post, it wouldn't be nearly as dramatic. Much less fun that way.
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No, I agree. I also agree that the knowlage he brings is welcome. I like having him around. I was just saying that I would abuse said power if it were mine. I'm also almost sure you would do the same Chaos. Seeing how you wanted to be TLR to reign with ultimate evil power.
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I see. I would have pegged you for someone who enjoyed everything you did. But I can also see the reasoning for an insiders thoughts on subjects. I guess that puts you and me in different boats. I for one do not kid myself with thinking I wouldn't do if for fun. I would relish the times that people were close to a discovery just to dash those hopes with a little twist of words or a little false implied meaning.
Oh, I'm not denying I do that or saying I don't enjoy it! That's not my only motivation, though, and if other people weren't getting anything out of it, my own sadistic enjoyment wouldn't be motivation enough. I have to be very careful what I do and don't say, you know. It takes effort.
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I can only imagine.
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No, I agree. I also agree that the knowlage he brings is welcome. I like having him around. I was just saying that I would abuse said power if it were mine. I'm also almost sure you would do the same Chaos. Seeing how you wanted to be TLR to reign with ultimate evil power.
But if I was the Lord Ruler, I would just be aloof all the time and spend my days at Kredik Shaw. I only abuse the power at the beginning, and then I just sit around.
I see. I would have pegged you for someone who enjoyed everything you did. But I can also see the reasoning for an insiders thoughts on subjects. I guess that puts you and me in different boats. I for one do not kid myself with thinking I wouldn't do if for fun. I would relish the times that people were close to a discovery just to dash those hopes with a little twist of words or a little false implied meaning.
Oh, I'm not denying I do that or saying I don't enjoy it! That's not my only motivation, though, and if other people weren't getting anything out of it, my own sadistic enjoyment wouldn't be motivation enough. I have to be very careful what I do and don't say, you know. It takes effort.
Right. The effect you put in to what you say pales in comparison to the effort we take to decipher it. To wit:
Let f(x) be defined as a continuous function on the interval [0, ∞], and let E be a positive real number.
f(x) = E^E
Where E is the effort Ookla places, measured in MegaRages.
So you see, by this theorem (for proof, see The Time-Waster's Guide to Proofs, Part C, Theorem 78), for every MegaRage--that is, the amount you bang your head upon the wall in frustration--we look at your word with that amount of MegaRage raised to the value of the MegaRages! So, if you put in three MegaRages, we analyze it with twenty-seven MegaRages!
It's math, folks.
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Chaos, get some sleep! I love the little tidbits Ook sends out. They don't really help much, but they do get people talking. I am of the belief that he only really helps with things that can already be figured out from the first two books. Otherwise, he just teases you when your getting warm. If you get too close, he won't say anything, which is obviously why he never comments on any of my theories. :D
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Oh, if you're getting too close, I might make a misdirecting comment. If I say nothing at all, you might be so off-base that there's no point. :)
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Oh, if you're getting too close, I might make a misdirecting comment. If I say nothing at all, you might be so off-base that there's no point. :)
Or maybe we are dead on and you just can't think of anything to put us off so you just HOPE we think that. ;)
BTW: What is a Mok?
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Oh, if you're getting too close, I might make a misdirecting comment. If I say nothing at all, you might be so off-base that there's no point. :)
Or maybe we are dead on and you just can't think of anything to put us off so you just HOPE we think that. ;)
BTW: What is a Mok?
Or, he waits until Chaos brings it up and then gives a clue in an attempt to make Chaos' head explode. I swear sometimes reading these posts is like being with King Arthur at the Castle AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH, only without the french accents. Maybe that is what a Mok is; a professional taunter.
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Oh, if you're getting too close, I might make a misdirecting comment. If I say nothing at all, you might be so off-base that there's no point. :)
Or maybe we are dead on and you just can't think of anything to put us off so you just HOPE we think that. ;)
BTW: What is a Mok?
Or, he waits until Chaos brings it up and then gives a clue in an attempt to make Chaos' head explode. I swear sometimes reading these posts is like being with King Arthur at the Castle AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH, only without the french accents. Maybe that is what a Mok is; a professional taunter.
Well didn't you know that the best taunters were french? xD ha ha! Wooo!.
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Yeah, they taunt you right up until they surrender.
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That reminds me of a joke.
How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
Nobody knows, it's never been tried.
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That reminds me of a joke.
How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
Nobody knows, it's never been tried.
Don't even get me started on French jokes. Gotta love a country who's most celebrated war hero was a woman from the 1400s, betrayed by her own countrymen.
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That reminds me of a joke.
How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
Nobody knows, it's never been tried.
Don't even get me started on French jokes. Gotta love a country who's most celebrated war hero was a woman from the 1400s, betrayed by her own countrymen.
Hey! Give them a break, they already assigned some of their most renowned philosphers to contemplate their cowardice...such brave thinkers.
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Actually Green, their most famous war heroes have to include Napolean Bonaparte and Marquis de Lafayette. Without the French, we would still be a British territory right now. What a difference 200 years makes.
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Green? I didn't say anything.
But you are right. Without Ben Franklin spending so much time in France during our revolution France would never have backed us on the seas. We needed the support of their armada to scare the Brits. It was pivotal to our success.
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I was actually friend and coworker with a french man whom I called Picard. I used to tease him quite a bit but he never fought back; he did teach me a bunch of new jokes though.
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Sorry about that Green I read the wrong name.
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No worries darx. Piccard, thats classic. I don't know if I would take offense to that even though im not french. I mean come on Piccard was the man.
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Piccard, thats classic. I don't know if I would take offense to that even though im not french.
His name was Jean-Luc, hence the joke that he never understood. You would think Picard would be known worldwide but alas, no.
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Piccard, thats classic. I don't know if I would take offense to that even though im not french.
His name was Jean-Luc, hence the joke that he never understood. You would think Picard would be known worldwide but alas, no.
Did you ever get him to say "Engage!"?
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We can't forget "Make it so, Number One." That's just as vital as "Engage!"
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You all should go to google and type "French War Victories" Then click the [I'm Feeling Lucky] button. It's quite entertaining.
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You all should go to google and type "French War Victories" Then click the [I'm Feeling Lucky] button. It's quite entertaining.
lol I just did that, and all I can say is,
"Good call Google!"
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hahahahaha. that is awsome
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So much for staying on topic. :P Heh.
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So much for staying on topic. :P Heh.
I dont mind, really. Atleast people are still voting... :-\
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I don't know. I assume SOMEONE else will die. I think it might be Marsh . . . I have a feeling he will end up being the body of Ruin and in turn will die. As in our heroes will have to kill him. :/
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I don't know. I assume SOMEONE else will die. I think it might be Marsh . . . I have a feeling he will end up being the body of Ruin and in turn will die. As in our heroes will have to kill him. :/
I refuse to think so, i don't have a theory behind my objection--its just hard to swallow.
C'mon Iron-eyes, you can beat this :-[. He'll beat. He'll beat it. He will. He'll beat it.....
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I agree that Marsh has to die, though it will make me very sad when it happens. But I think at least one other main character will die too.
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I agree that Marsh has to die, though it will make me very sad when it happens. But I think at least one other main character will die too.
Must you be so grim?
He won't Die!
if he does, i'll eat my hat--do you agree to do the same if he doesn't?
this challenge goes for you as well, miyabe! ;D
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Well, I'm not sure I have a hat handy - but I'd be willing to eat a hat-shaped piece of chocolate!
(And now I'm hoping I'll be wrong. Look what you've done.)
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The only way Marsh dies is if he pulls the spike himself, which would be like Kelsier unflinchingly giving up his own life for the good of skaakind.
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I could see him doing that. Or I could see another character pulling it for him, after he begs them to.
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I could see him doing that. Or I could see another character pulling it for him, after he begs them to.
In my mind, there are some things worse than death. Being remote controlled by Ruin (but still aware of it) would be one of them. I could totally see this coming.
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I still feel that Marsh will die with some sort of inner conflict. Not entirely in control but fighting Ruins control he makes a decision to sacrifice himself in someway to aid the "good guys". This might happen by having someone pull the spike or even he himself pulling it. It might even happen at lets say an ashmount possibly. Either way I feel it will happen.
Agreed happyman.
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[redacted]
[you might want to redact those quotes too]
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But his spike is now covered by a steel plate, right?
uh, what?
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uh, what?
The steel plate, forgot about that. Yeah, how did that quote go again Ookla? I can't remember where to find it.
Shhhh, don't let him know we didn't read that yet.
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Uh, what?
Ah, yes I vaguely remember that...but can't seem to find the exact words. Care to help a poor blighter out? ;)
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But his spike is now covered by a steel plate, right?
Yes, yes...to bad i loaned my book to a friend, otherwise i would have quoted it. Feel free to take this one Ookla... 8) All those poker playing years are finally paying off!
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I am excused from ignorance on this point, because I didn't pick up on anything about Zane. Yup, I've never cared for Zane. I completely missed the "You were never insane" part, or the spike, or virtually anything about Zane until I came to the forums here. If anything, I'm consistent about that.
For the purposes of this topic, I'd vote Zane to be killed, but he's already dead (WOOT!), so I guess I can't. But if Zane comes back to life, I'd kill him again.
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Ach, dudes, I'm sorry. I actually gave something away (though it might be revealed in the next sample chapter, which Brandon should be releasing anytime now...). I must be slipping.
Had a tough day at work. Yeah, I'll use that as my excuse.
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Ach, dudes, I'm sorry. I actually gave something away (though it might be revealed in the next sample chapter, which Brandon should be releasing anytime now...). I must be slipping.
Had a tough day at work. Yeah, I'll use that as my excuse.
No worries, I actually thought you were leading us on which this quote might just be continuing. We can't be sure if you are duping us or not anymore. But on the off chance that you weren't pulling our legs, it gives us something to speculate on until Brandon leaves us another chapter.
If Ruin is controlling all Inquisitors, then they probably all have a steel plate covering the linchpin, which makes them a very formidable opponent. The first question I would have is, is steel important in this scenario or is it just the easiest metal to acquire?
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I don't know that it's steel. That's just the metal that popped into my head.
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I am excused from ignorance on this point, because I didn't pick up on anything about Zane. Yup, I've never cared for Zane. I completely missed the "You were never insane" part, or the spike, or virtually anything about Zane until I came to the forums here. If anything, I'm consistent about that.
For the purposes of this topic, I'd vote Zane to be killed, but he's already dead (WOOT!), so I guess I can't. But if Zane comes back to life, I'd kill him again.
Zane is my favorite character!
He wasn't insane, the voices he heard was the Ruin. He was actually a decent person...take that back! >:(
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I am excused from ignorance on this point, because I didn't pick up on anything about Zane. Yup, I've never cared for Zane. I completely missed the "You were never insane" part, or the spike, or virtually anything about Zane until I came to the forums here. If anything, I'm consistent about that.
For the purposes of this topic, I'd vote Zane to be killed, but he's already dead (WOOT!), so I guess I can't. But if Zane comes back to life, I'd kill him again.
Zane is my favorite character!
He wasn't insane, the voices he heard was the Ruin. He was actually a decent person...take that back! >:(
Kill him.
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I loved Zane. When Vin killed him, I was a very sad panda. Seriously, I loved the sections from his perspective. What's more, Zane didn't listen to Ruin so for all we know, Ruin can be resisted. (IE-There is hope for Marsh)
Now to get on topic, I voted more then one. Sazed, Spook, and Marsh are all possibilities in my mind.
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Zane only had one spike (that we know of, only one is mentioned) so that's prolly why he could resist Ruin.
I think a lot of people will die; only Kelsier died in the first book (of the main group, I mean), and in the second book, a lot more died. So I think the third could very well kill off even more characters.
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I am waiting for Vin to get Uber angry and draw upon the mists WHILE burning duralumin and rip an Inquisitor to shreds by tearing all the spikes out at once.
I agree with Qarlin about Zane. Cutting himself helps him to resist, which EUOL said is important in an annotation. A theory just came to me (surprise). If bloodletting, even in small amounts, helps quiet Ruin, then would injuring Marsh in a similar way help him regain control, even momentarily? Hmmmm.....
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I like it. Given a moment of clarity he may decide to kill himself. It might fit with what I posted last. The thing is. . . What would you use to cause that kind of injury to Marsh? I would have to be powerful.
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I like it. Given a moment of clarity he may decide to kill himself. It might fit with what I posted last. The thing is. . . What would you use to cause that kind of injury to Marsh? I would have to be powerful.
That's where Vin comes in!
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If the theory holds, I'm curious what degre of damage he would need to take, it seems like he took plenty from Sazed and Ham at the end of book 2....
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If the theory holds, I'm curious what degre of damage he would need to take, it seems like he took plenty from Sazed and Ham at the end of book 2....
Yeah. It sounds like Zane busted his arms up pretty good as well. The thing is, I think if the inquisitor isn't burning pewter (or whatever else they might be doing with those pins through their body), they would probably be just like a human. The question is: is he going to be able to stop Ruin from forcing him to burn pewter?
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I don't know that it's steel. That's just the metal that popped into my head.
Ookla is trying to tell us something--things don't just pop in his head, everything he says is carefully formulated...
It can't be steel, Kwaan himself said that nothing can be trusted but steel--it must be another metal...
The question, though, is what metal...?
Thus the topic for tomorrow is born!
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Haha :p Well, I just thought Zane was annoying throughout all of Book 2, that's why I didn't care for him.
The bloodletting relates to the link between Hemalurgy and blood, the link that is there, but not quite clear. I'm fairly certain the size and the amount of spikes has a great deal to do with Ruin's hold as well.
But, Ruin doesn't fully control Marsh's mind. He wants to kill himself, he doesn't want to do what Ruin wants. It's a start to resistance :P
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Haha :p Well, I just thought Zane was annoying throughout all of Book 2, that's why I didn't care for him.
The bloodletting relates to the link between Hemalurgy and blood, the link that is there, but not quite clear. I'm fairly certain the size and the amount of spikes has a great deal to do with Ruin's hold as well.
But, Ruin doesn't fully control Marsh's mind. He wants to kill himself, he doesn't want to do what Ruin wants. It's a start to resistance :P
Perhaps then Ruin doesn't control the mind...Perhaps just the body...
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Haha :p Well, I just thought Zane was annoying throughout all of Book 2, that's why I didn't care for him.
The bloodletting relates to the link between Hemalurgy and blood, the link that is there, but not quite clear. I'm fairly certain the size and the amount of spikes has a great deal to do with Ruin's hold as well.
But, Ruin doesn't fully control Marsh's mind. He wants to kill himself, he doesn't want to do what Ruin wants. It's a start to resistance :P
Perhaps then Ruin doesn't control the mind...Perhaps just the body...
In that prologue though, right at the end...
That was why it was so much fun. Marsh picked up a mallet and began to pound.
Sounds to me like it does change your state of mind since it seems Marsh started to enjoy it when Ruin took over.
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Yeah; in the moment when Marsh seized control of his mind again (before losing it again in the end), his perceptions and viewpoints completely changed from delight to horror.
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Yeah; in the moment when Marsh seized control of his mind again (before losing it again in the end), his perceptions and viewpoints completely changed from delight to horror.
Indeed. Imagine how horrific it would be if you were still in control of your thoughts but Ruin had full control of your body. *Shivers*
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Yeah; in the moment when Marsh seized control of his mind again (before losing it again in the end), his perceptions and viewpoints completely changed from delight to horror.
In fact, it's almost like Ruin is thinking with Marsh's mind when he takes charge. For a computer analogy, he is controlling or subverting the software which controls the hardware, rather than just hijacking the hardware.
Incidentally, there were also some hints in WoA that indicate that the control wasn't absolute. Doesn't Marsh say something about wishing he knew why he had to kill Sazed? I doubt Ruin would say anything; he would just kill him.
My goodness but I hope this comes into play somehow. Knowing Brandon, though, it could be a trope that is about to be popped.
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Yeah; in the moment when Marsh seized control of his mind again (before losing it again in the end), his perceptions and viewpoints completely changed from delight to horror.
In fact, it's almost like Ruin is thinking with Marsh's mind when he takes charge. For a computer analogy, he is controlling or subverting the software which controls the hardware, rather than just hijacking the hardware.
Incidentally, there were also some hints in WoA that indicate that the control wasn't absolute. Doesn't Marsh say something about wishing he knew why he had to kill Sazed? I doubt Ruin would say anything; he would just kill him.
My goodness but I hope this comes into play somehow. Knowing Brandon, though, it could be a trope that is about to be popped.
Or, and this is a bit more of a professional comparison.
If any of you watch the Fairly Odd Parents on cartoon network, you probably know the kid with a giant zit on his face that is begining to take over his brain--he jumps in and out of submission. Thats probably whats happening to Marsh.
But instead of a zit it's the metal spikes running through him...
hey, in Allomancy, which metal is opposite of Steel? I think that could be the type of metal used as the spikes.
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hey, in Allomancy, which metal is opposite of Steel? I think that could be the type of metal used as the spikes.
Iron. But now I'm confused.
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hey, in Allomancy, which metal is opposite of Steel? I think that could be the type of metal used as the spikes.
Iron. But now I'm confused.
I have my reasons for believing it isn't steel, one is that Kwaan states that nothing can be trusted but steel--Unless Kwaan Betrays Alendi for other reasons untold to us--then that would make that statement questionable, and thus everything we think we know about the prophecy is yet again tossed out the window--so we can only assume that everything we know to be true.
So Steel = Trust, and Ruin resistent (lol)
So How could the Steel Inquistors be controlled by Ruin? Contradicting isn't it...?
We can only assume that the term steel for a steel inquistor must be a product of arrogance--in the same sense that native americans are called Indians...
So if it isn't steel, what is it?
My guess would be iron--opposite of Steel. (thank you Wielder, as i was to lazy to look for myself.)
Then again, The spikes could be Steel, but the plates covering them, they could be iron.
Either way, based on what books one and two have revealed, Steel can't be the means by which Ruin takes hold of the Inquistors.
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hey, in Allomancy, which metal is opposite of Steel? I think that could be the type of metal used as the spikes.
Iron. But now I'm confused.
I have my reasons for believing it isn't steel, one is that Kwaan states that nothing can be trusted but steel--Unless Kwaan Betrays Alendi for other reasons untold to us--then that would make that statement questionable, and thus everything we think we know about the prophecy is yet again tossed out the window--so we can only assume that everything we know to be true.
So Steel = Trust, and Ruin resistent (lol)
So How could the Steel Inquistors be controlled by Ruin? Contradicting isn't it...?
We can only assume that the term steel for a steel inquistor must be a product of arrogance--in the same sense that native americans are called Indians...
So if it isn't steel, what is it?
My guess would be iron--opposite of Steel. (thank you Wielder, as i was to lazy to look for myself.)
Then again, The spikes could be Steel, but the plates covering them, they could be iron.
Either way, based on what books one and two have revealed, Steel can't be the means by which Ruin takes hold of the Inquistors.
Hum, that never really crossed my mind. I do wonder though, if we are taking Kwaan's words too literally. Perhaps he didn't mean steel--just metal in general. But that is an interesting idea. I say we start stabbing characters with iron spikes to find out. Come on! Lets go!
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hey, in Allomancy, which metal is opposite of Steel? I think that could be the type of metal used as the spikes.
Iron. But now I'm confused.
I have my reasons for believing it isn't steel, one is that Kwaan states that nothing can be trusted but steel--Unless Kwaan Betrays Alendi for other reasons untold to us--then that would make that statement questionable, and thus everything we think we know about the prophecy is yet again tossed out the window--so we can only assume that everything we know to be true.
So Steel = Trust, and Ruin resistent (lol)
So How could the Steel Inquistors be controlled by Ruin? Contradicting isn't it...?
We can only assume that the term steel for a steel inquistor must be a product of arrogance--in the same sense that native americans are called Indians...
So if it isn't steel, what is it?
My guess would be iron--opposite of Steel. (thank you Wielder, as i was to lazy to look for myself.)
Then again, The spikes could be Steel, but the plates covering them, they could be iron.
Either way, based on what books one and two have revealed, Steel can't be the means by which Ruin takes hold of the Inquistors.
Hum, that never really crossed my mind. I do wonder though, if we are taking Kwaan's words too literally. Perhaps he didn't mean steel--just metal in general. But that is an interesting idea. I say we start stabbing characters with iron spikes to find out. Come on! Lets go!
Actually, it might have just been metal in general. I just reread that part of the book..."anything not placed in metal cannot be trusted..."
yeah, so, i'm not sure anymore.
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You know I don't have my book handy but I was almost positive that the quote was "anything not in steel can't be trusted".
You said you read it in the book so I'll take your word on it, it seems to change things a little for me.
The question I have is why would the plate be of Iron and not Steel. What does it matter anyway? Metal is metal. Yes they all do different things allomanticaly but the inquisitors are like mistborn and have use of all metal. Maybe in Hemalurgy it matters what kind of metal is piercing you to allow certain effects. Other than that I don't see what it would matter what kind of metal the plates covering the spikes would be made of.
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You know I don't have my book handy but I was almost positive that the quote was "anything not in steel can't be trusted".
You said you read it in the book so I'll take your word on it, it seems to change things a little for me.
The question I have is why would the plate be of Iron and not Steel. What does it matter anyway? Metal is metal. Yes they all do different things allomanticaly but the inquisitors are like mistborn and have use of all metal. Maybe in Hemalurgy it matters what kind of metal is piercing you to allow certain effects. Other than that I don't see what it would matter what kind of metal the plates covering the spikes would be made of.
lol.
Actaully its, "i write this in steel, because anything not in metal can't be trusted..."
so that's why i'm confused...
did he think all metals could resist the Ruin but it turns out that steel is an exception....?
he's wrote it in steel, but said METAL could be trusted...?
i think that he is on to something but its hard to tell for sure.
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You know I don't have my book handy but I was almost positive that the quote was "anything not in steel can't be trusted".
You said you read it in the book so I'll take your word on it, it seems to change things a little for me.
The question I have is why would the plate be of Iron and not Steel. What does it matter anyway? Metal is metal. Yes they all do different things allomanticaly but the inquisitors are like mistborn and have use of all metal. Maybe in Hemalurgy it matters what kind of metal is piercing you to allow certain effects. Other than that I don't see what it would matter what kind of metal the plates covering the spikes would be made of.
The problem with this is that you can't even remember it correctly so any thought done about it would have to be done WHILE you read it, which could cause quite a few problems.
lol.
Actaully its, "i write this in steel, because anything not in metal can't be trusted..."
so that's why i'm confused...
did he think all metals could resist the Ruin but it turns out that steel is an exception....?
he's wrote it in steel, but said METAL could be trusted...?
i think that he is on to something but its hard to tell for sure.
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You know I don't have my book handy but I was almost positive that the quote was "anything not in steel can't be trusted".
You said you read it in the book so I'll take your word on it, it seems to change things a little for me.
The question I have is why would the plate be of Iron and not Steel. What does it matter anyway? Metal is metal. Yes they all do different things allomanticaly but the inquisitors are like mistborn and have use of all metal. Maybe in Hemalurgy it matters what kind of metal is piercing you to allow certain effects. Other than that I don't see what it would matter what kind of metal the plates covering the spikes would be made of.
lol.
Actaully its, "i write this in steel, because anything not in metal can't be trusted..."
so that's why i'm confused...
did he think all metals could resist the Ruin but it turns out that steel is an exception....?
he's wrote it in steel, but said METAL could be trusted...?
i think that he is on to something but its hard to tell for sure.
What he is saying is quite simple, actually.
Anything not written in metal cannot be trusted.
Thus if a source is to be considered trustworthy, it must at a bare minimum be written in metal.
Steel is a metal. Thus if his record is written in steel, it is possible that it is trustworthy. By his logic, the same would go for records written in gold or aluminum, but apparently he chose steel. Maybe it was all he had. Or maybe there is more logic that we haven't seen. But based on what he wrote, it seems that he chose steel simply because it was a metal.
That's all those lines mean really. No need to complicate matters.
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You know I don't have my book handy but I was almost positive that the quote was "anything not in steel can't be trusted".
You said you read it in the book so I'll take your word on it, it seems to change things a little for me.
The question I have is why would the plate be of Iron and not Steel. What does it matter anyway? Metal is metal. Yes they all do different things allomanticaly but the inquisitors are like mistborn and have use of all metal. Maybe in Hemalurgy it matters what kind of metal is piercing you to allow certain effects. Other than that I don't see what it would matter what kind of metal the plates covering the spikes would be made of.
lol.
Actaully its, "i write this in steel, because anything not in metal can't be trusted..."
so that's why i'm confused...
did he think all metals could resist the Ruin but it turns out that steel is an exception....?
he's wrote it in steel, but said METAL could be trusted...?
i think that he is on to something but its hard to tell for sure.
What he is saying is quite simple, actually.
Anything not written in metal cannot be trusted.
Thus if a source is to be considered trustworthy, it must at a bare minimum be written in metal.
Steel is a metal. Thus if his record is written in steel, it is possible that it is trustworthy. By his logic, the same would go for records written in gold or aluminum, but apparently he chose steel. Maybe it was all he had. Or maybe there is more logic that we haven't seen. But based on what he wrote, it seems that he chose steel simply because it was a metal.
That's all those lines mean really. No need to complicate matters.
Then how do you explain the Ruins hold over the STEEL inquisters?
DURRRR....it is complicated--Sanderson made sure of that. ;)
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With the Inquisitors Ruin doesn't care what words of wisdom might exist on their spikes; he truly doesn't. Apparently the restriction only applies when he wants to change something.
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With the Inquisitors Ruin doesn't care what words of wisdom might exist on their spikes; he truly doesn't. Apparently the restriction only applies when he wants to change something.
That seems like a paradox of facts....
Perhaps, The Ruin changed the writings yet again...making the second scripture flawed... :-\
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You know I don't have my book handy but I was almost positive that the quote was "anything not in steel can't be trusted".
You said you read it in the book so I'll take your word on it, it seems to change things a little for me.
The question I have is why would the plate be of Iron and not Steel. What does it matter anyway? Metal is metal. Yes they all do different things allomanticaly but the inquisitors are like mistborn and have use of all metal. Maybe in Hemalurgy it matters what kind of metal is piercing you to allow certain effects. Other than that I don't see what it would matter what kind of metal the plates covering the spikes would be made of.
lol.
Actaully its, "i write this in steel, because anything not in metal can't be trusted..."
so that's why i'm confused...
did he think all metals could resist the Ruin but it turns out that steel is an exception....?
he's wrote it in steel, but said METAL could be trusted...?
i think that he is on to something but its hard to tell for sure.
What he is saying is quite simple, actually.
Anything not written in metal cannot be trusted.
Thus if a source is to be considered trustworthy, it must at a bare minimum be written in metal.
Steel is a metal. Thus if his record is written in steel, it is possible that it is trustworthy. By his logic, the same would go for records written in gold or aluminum, but apparently he chose steel. Maybe it was all he had. Or maybe there is more logic that we haven't seen. But based on what he wrote, it seems that he chose steel simply because it was a metal.
That's all those lines mean really. No need to complicate matters.
Then how do you explain the Ruins hold over the STEEL inquisters?
DURRRR....it is complicated--Sanderson made sure of that. ;)
First of all, that wasn't theorizing on my part. I was simply parsing the logic in Kwaan's inscription because there seemed to be some confusion about what he was saying. If there is anything in the book that contradicts his logic, that takes precedence.
You bring up a good point, though. Maybe he controls the steel inquisitors by creating electric current in the metal going through their brain (of course, this brings up the point: how do they survive with steel spikes inside their brains)? Electric current is much, much easier to create and change, from an energetic standpoint, than the bulk atomic structure of a metal. It is perfectly reasonable that Ruin can modify the currents in the metals, and in turn control the inquisitors, without being able to control human thought (no easy access with not metal in their heads!) or change the bulk properties of metals.
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However, that theory does not work when you consider Zane, who only had one spike in his chest. Yet he could still hear God's voice.
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That would also include something that the misborn world has shown no knowledge of. . . ELECTRICITY!
I mean come on now I highly doubt Brandon would wait this long and then drop something like the knowledge of electric currents and how they could effect the brain. Not trying to sound harsh but its hard to avoid. Now I could see why it seems plausible and heck I guess in the end it really is but I feel it isn't probable.
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That would also include something that the misborn world has shown no knowledge of. . . ELECTRICITY!
I mean come on now I highly doubt Brandon would wait this long and then drop something like the knowledge of electric currents and how they could effect the brain. Not trying to sound harsh but its hard to avoid. Now I could see why it seems plausible and heck I guess in the end it really is but I feel it isn't probable.
There is no way electricity exists, not in Mistborn.
There is absolutely no indication in both books.
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Has there ever been a lightning flash?
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Has there ever been a lightning flash?
*plugs ears* La-la-la-la-la-la-what?
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You know it would take some reading to find out but as far as I know I don't remember and lightning. Even if there was it would take an understanding of what lightning was and then a way to harness the energy for it to be of any use and so far we have no reason to think this exists.
Has there ever been a lightning flash?
Come on Ook thats not even good misdirection. I thought you were better than that.
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The point about Zane is well taken. Of course, he could just hear Ruin---he wasn't being tele-operated like the Steel Inquisitors seem to be. If the spike went through (or near) his spine, maybe it gave Ruin some--but not all--access to his nervous system, which with proper control might be enough to make him hear a voice.
This is still just a simple hypothesis, but I don't think Zane necessarily proves it wrong; it just needs refining.
As for the objections to electricity---first of all, Ookla has a point. The Mistborn world seems to work just like ours, including such things as a spherical world, Newtonian orbital mechanics, and radiation hazards from the sun, things which most people considered totally irrelevant for the first two books. Thus it is simplest to assume that electricity does exist, just like in our world, unless proven otherwise. The fact that the people in Mistborn don't know how to use electricity to make themselves and their lives better proves absolutely nothing; that was our worlds situation for most of history. Ruin, on the other hand, should know about electricity, if it exists, but it would hardly be inclined to tell us how to use it properly.
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No i agree. The world does seem to operate in the same manner as our own in a natural way. And yes the existence of electricity is possable I'm not trying to disprove it, I just feel that the introduction to electricity in anyway this far into the series is a little far fetched. Now the spike going into his spine would allow access to his central nervous system and I don't even see why it wouldn't allow tele-operation. I mean yeah Ruin might not have controlled his brain but the body operates from impulses sent down the spine so if the spike went into his spine Ruin may have even been able to control his body. The thing is it didn't have to. All Ruin had to do was subvert Zanes thinking and cause Zane to make the decisions himself. I am more draw to the conclusion that the spikes have something to do with a magic system and not a "conventional" (if you follow my meaning) system. It just seems to go with the story more. I mean I'm sure there are fossil fuels in this world but you don't see and engines do you. These things come about with the progression of humanity that seems to have been stalled in the mistborn world.
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I've suggested that metalminds store information on the quantum level and that Ruin is able to alter information stored in them by flipping quantum bits.
If Ruin can alter information stored in a metalmind, can he alter other attributes stored in metalminds as well?
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I've suggested that metalminds store information on the quantum level and that Ruin is able to alter information stored in them by flipping quantum bits.
If Ruin can alter information stored in a metalmind, can he alter other attributes stored in metalminds as well?
Are you trying to suggest that Ruin could somehow pervert or change things like speed or weight or healing or age? Perhaps make it so that instead of youth, you get aging, or instead of weight, you get---something else?
Are you suggesting that this relates to the other odd properties of Hemalurgy? Like the fact that Inquisitors stay alive with huge spikes through their heads? If the hemalurgy is keeping them alive, if Ruin perverted the "life-support system", perhaps he could pervert their thoughts and emotions via the same system that keeps them alive.
Oh, and incidentally, if we are talking about flipping bits at the quantum level, we had better be talking about the physics in the world as we know it right now, plus magic. This means electricity would work in Mistborn exactly as at present in our world. It's not like this would be a stretch for fantasy genres; even Tolkein attempted to connect his fantasy world to the "real world."
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I'm not saying Brandon ever reveals how Ruin does everything he does. My quantum bit idea is an attempt to come up with a logical explanation for why Ruin would be able to change information written in metal (stored in metalminds) but not information written in metal (actually etched into metal), which would otherwise seem like a contradiction.
I think that unless we're given a textual reason to believe otherwise, we can assume that any particular law of nature that applies in our world also applies in Brandon's worlds. There's the whole concept of mixing the familiar with the unexpected.
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I'm not saying Brandon ever reveals how Ruin does everything he does. My quantum bit idea is an attempt to come up with a logical explanation for why Ruin would be able to change information written in metal (stored in metalminds) but not information written in metal (actually etched into metal), which would otherwise seem like a contradiction.
I think that unless we're given a textual reason to believe otherwise, we can assume that any particular law of nature that applies in our world also applies in Brandon's worlds. There's the whole concept of mixing the familiar with the unexpected.
Well to answer your question, Ruin was able to alter the memorized texts within the metal minds--he did it to all of the terris council.
Kwaan could realize this only because he had an uncanny ability to memorize a sheet of paper at a glance without his metal minds.
so that answers your question but raises so much more for me....
Truly, Ookla, you are a master of your craft.
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Well to answer your question, Ruin was able to alter the memorized texts within the metal minds--he did it to all of the terris council.
Kwaan could realize this only because he had an uncanny ability to memorize a sheet of paper at a glance without his metal minds.
so that answers your question but raises so much more for me....
Truly, Ookla, you are a master of your craft.
Not to point out the obvious, but you didn't answer his question at all. He already stated that Ruin was able to alter the text in metalminds. His question was what other attributes stored in metalminds could Ruin alter?
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I didn't ask what Ruin did. I asked why he was able to do it. But thanks for reminding anyone else who didn't know what I was referring to.
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I didn't ask what Ruin did. I asked why he was able to do it. But thanks for reminding anyone else who didn't know what I was referring to.
High Priest Ookla? there's a lifetime's worth of Ramen in it for you if you tell me whether or not Vin merges with the Mist Spirit... ;)
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Don't be silly. RAFO.
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Ewwww. Who'd want a lifetime's worth of Ramen anyway?
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Ewwww. Who'd want a lifetime's worth of Ramen anyway?
mmmmm.....Raaaammmmeeennnnnnn.....College students best friend and only meal.
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I would want some Ramen, but I have the 7-day meal plan and the dining hall is literally right next door to my dorm. It would take me more effort to cook ramen than if I just walked over there.
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I walk in the kitchen and get food when I'm hungry.
However, when I do head off to college, I suspect I shall become quite good friends with Ramen.
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When I was in Japan I ate ramen with egg almost every morning (since I couldn't get decent sugar-free cereal there). A previous English teacher had left a huge pack of Thai (?) ramen in the apartment. It was hot stuff. After I finished it I just bought regular Japanese ramen; it was not as cheap as it often was in the U.S.
Urr...anyway...is there any sign of ramen existing in the Mistborn world?
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When I was in Japan I ate ramen with egg almost every morning (since I couldn't get decent sugar-free cereal there). A previous English teacher had left a huge pack of Thai (?) ramen in the apartment. It was hot stuff. After I finished it I just bought regular Japanese ramen; it was not as cheap as it often was in the U.S.
Urr...anyway...is there any sign of ramen existing in the Mistborn world?
closest thing i could find were the mistcloaks...
ooh, scratch that. There was the soup the Skaa were eating at the very beginning--Lord Tresting's slaves...
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Ramen mistcloaks! Now that's an amusing idea!
I think the skaa soup had mostly vegetables, not pasta, though.
Maybe book 3 will show huge stockpiles of ramen in TLR's storehouses, and the skaa will all subsist on them and cook them over the Ashmounts.
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So I've been wondering for the past few days just how long it's going to be until Elend's allomantic powers run out. I mean, the fifteenth metal (or whichever one it was that he ate to become a mistborn) is just another metal, right? Won't it run out eventually? It's just been burning slowly ever since it dropped into his belly, started burning by itself, and giving him allomantic powers. So, is he going to be in the middle of a huge fight, saving Vin or some such, and his powers will disappear, leaving him with jack squat just before he's crushed or made into mincemeat pie? I mean, come on! It's a metal. All metal burns and runs out. Vin burns flakes and they last a long time. The stuff that got put into Elend was a pretty big bead of metal. That'd last a long time. So the year interim anything to worry about. Especially if the stuff burns slowly. Anyone else care to comment?
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Well, atium comes in beads too, but it burns faster than anything else. So I'm not sure the amount of metal tells us much about how long it's going to last. Your theory is fascinating, but it seems to me that the metal has caused a permanent change, because I can't imagine even a large bead of the slowest-burning metal still continually burning after a year - which we already know is true. I guess we'll see, though!
I was complaining about characters whose main point of interest is their immense powers (in the context of Vin being stronger than Kelsier, then Elend being stronger than Vin), and Ookla has assured me that the third book won't disappoint me in this regard. Elend losing his powers would be one way for this to happen. So it's certainly possible, but at this point I'm leaning towards the bead granting permanent Allomancy. I wouldn't be too surprised if Elend and/or Vin and/or all the Allomancers in the world lose their powers in some other fashion, though.
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I'm fairly certain the bead would grant permanent Allomancy somehow. Both Vin at the end of MB2 and in MB3 sample chapter 3 said that they believed they had found the source of Allomancy. It's too bad they aren't specific about the process... but if it was indeed the Source, then it would have a permanent effect.
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In regard to the power running out, I agree with Chaos. I think it's more likely that it's a permanent change.
However, I seem to remember Brandon saying somewhere that the magic systems will be pretty messed up at the end of the third book. Possibly because of the mists. So if that's true, then it makes sense that there would be no more allomancy at that time.
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In regard to the power running out, I agree with Chaos. I think it's more likely that it's a permanent change.
However, I seem to remember Brandon saying somewhere that the magic systems will be pretty messed up at the end of the third book. Possibly because of the mists. So if that's true, then it makes sense that there would be no more allomancy at that time.
That would make me said... :'(
We're not sure how the first Allomancer's came to be, all we do know is that it came back with TLR post the travel to the WOA...It could be that same bead but we can't tell for sure.
In another sense i don't think that Sanderson would take Elends powers away after only just giving it to him now--i think that if Sanderson plans on taking allomancy from Elend then thats because he's taking away allomancy for good.
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I don't think that Allomancy/Hemalurgy/Feruchemy will dissapear; after all where is the potential for continuing the series? (As has been hinted at.)
However if the mists are the Deepness and they are defeated, out goes the window Vin's mist burning ability. What no mists means for the other powers we really don't know at this point...
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I don't think that Allomancy/Hemalurgy/Feruchemy will dissapear; after all where is the potential for continuing the series? (As has been hinted at.)
However if the mists are the Deepness and they are defeated, out goes the window Vin's mist burning ability. What no mists means for the other powers we really don't know at this point...
I theorize the the mist is the energy that both Hemulurgy and Allomancy get their powers. For allomancy, it is the metals that have naturally collected this energy in their own way. For Hemulurgy the energy is drained at the constantly--almost like they can flare all the time without wasting.
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Allomancy burns the energy, returning it back to the mist (which is why it attracts to allomancers) and hemulurgy takes it, (which is why it repels.)
this is just a theory, i haven't really tested it against other things--so it might not hold, but its a neat thought, give me that.
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I don't think that Allomancy/Hemalurgy/Feruchemy will disappear; after all where is the potential for continuing the series? (As has been hinted at.)
I would like Exhibit A entered into the record:
Brandon does have a plan for how he might continue the Mistborn series one day. When he mentioned it to me, it made me really, really excited. It's an extremely ambitious plan.
Ladies and gentlemen of the forum...
I object! This is nothing but heresay.
Your honor, according to the Civil Evidence Act 1995, In civil proceedings, evidence shall not be excluded on the ground that it is heresay.
Overruled. Please continue VegasDev.
Thank you, your Honor.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the forum, I think we all understand what Mr. Ookla meant by this statement, but for those simpler folks I will explain it to you. For Brandon to write a sequel, he had come up with a plan. Not just any plan, an ambitious plan. Furthermore, an ambitious plan was still not enough; he needed to come up with an extremely ambitious plan. Why would he need to go to such lengths? To bring magic back to a mundane world, of course.
Prosecution rests.
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I know one thing; we should find out why Inquisitors have 11 spikes:
From Brandon's blog, "Reader Mail" posted on 09 03 06
Email #1
Swiffy writes, "Is there a significance to eleven spikes [in an Inquisitor's body], or was it just a convenient number?
My Answer: Yes, there is a significance to the number. Good catch! You'll get more in future books. I can't explain it now, however, because it's something of a spoiler!
I can say this. Each of the three Mistborn books deals with one of the magic systems. In book one, the focus was on Allomancy. That same amount is there in book two, but we also add Sazed as a viewpoint character and begin talking about Feruchemy. In book three, we add an Inquisitor as a viewpoint character, and begin talking about Hemalurgy--the magic that keeps the Inquisitors alive and gives them their powers.
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Holy crap, good catch.
Well... that explains how we will learn about Hemalurgy: from Marsh's viewpoint.
I don't know why eleven would be significant, but clearly, there must be more to Hemalurgy than power-stealing. I don't even know if it is explicitly power stealing.
Plus, I wrote two gigantic posts for today. I'm done with that for tonight.
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I'm going to quote a whole bunch of things that we'll find out in HOA. I found all this while looking for the bit about the magic systems changing a lot at the end of the book (which I still haven't found yet, funny enough; anyone have that quote?). It's all in blog posts and annotations.
We'll find out which power the Lord Ruler touched.
From Final Empire, Chapter 34 part 2
In the mythology of this world, there are two forced--Ruin and Preservation--and he [TLR] really only touched one of the two powers. But, then, we'll have more on that in later books.
Snapping becomes important.
Well of Ascension, Chapter 34 (funny coincidence...)
Here I also mention Snapping here for the first time in this book. It's an important world element that, unfortunately, I think a lot of people tend to forget.
It doesn't really matter until book three, however, so I'm willing to let it slide in this book, giving only occasional reminders.
Two things; flaring too much is bad, and something important about Reen...
Final Empire, ch. 7 part 2
Kelsier's warning about not flaring metals too much is a foreshadowing for book three of the trilogy. You'll see what I mean in a couple of years. Also, there's something very important about Vin's brother that will be hard to pick out, but has been foreshadowed since the first book. . . .
Why did the Koloss divert to that village (don't remember the name; lent out the book)?
WOA, ch. 37
In book three, you'll be given a reason why the koloss diverted to the small village mentioned here before going on to Luthadel.
Mists get pushed away by Hemalurgy. Why comes in Book 3
Final Empire, ch 38 part 2
By the way, the mists getting pushed away from Vin and Kar here is a clue of some sorts. Inquisitors push away the mists, rather than attracting them, when they use their powers. I'll explain this in book three too.
Flowers! Why there aren't any, and how the world still works!
Final Empire, Chapter 17 part 2
Flowers. It was actually hard to write a world without flowers. For instance, the scene where Kelsier fights in the conservatory--I had to struggle to not call things flowerbeds. Describing gardens without flowers was tough too.
So, how does a world get by without flowers? Why don't they exist any more? All these questions will be answered.
In book three. Sorry.
More about Koloss
WOA Ch 42
The koloss are meant to be creepy. Their line about taking the city, then living in it isn't just a random comment--we'll get into this a lot more later on. (Particularly in Book Three.)
Kandra Religion
WOA 33
There is a kandra religion. I'm not going to be able to talk about it until book three, however. The things OreSeur is talking about here aren't really fundamental aspects of it, however. More. . .lore associated with the religion than actual tenets of that religion.
Why "Hero of Ages" and not Final Hero?
WOA Title Page
I quickly decided that I liked Hero of Ages instead of Final Hero (you'll see why in Book Three.)
Who pewter drags the continent? We can assume El, but for all we know it could be Marsh, or someone else.
Final Empire 25 part 1
In book three, I have one character crossing half the continent, then having to run back the other way, just so he can get where he needs to be for the end of the book.
Wells has another cameo in HOA (perhaps not important, but who knows?)
WOA 43
Oh, and the guy on the wall--Wells-is a cameo. He is my good friend, Dan Wells. He's not this much of a coward, but he didn't make it into book one, so I figured I'd throw him in here. He'll be back, actually. . . . (Watch for him in Book Three.)
Where the legends of the 11th metal came from
Final Empire 27 (hidden spoiler)
The answer is, by the way, yes. He did find those legends--legends that Sazed hasn't heard of. Legends nobody else has heard of. That is suspicious, true, but Kelsier himself believed them. More on where he got them comes later in the series.
And, of course, we'll find out about the 11 spikes and Hemalurgy in general as I mentioned a couple of posts ago.
I know one thing; we should find out why Inquisitors have 11 spikes:
From Brandon's blog, "Reader Mail" posted on 09 03 06
Email #1
Swiffy writes, "Is there a significance to eleven spikes [in an Inquisitor's body], or was it just a convenient number?
My Answer: Yes, there is a significance to the number. Good catch! You'll get more in future books. I can't explain it now, however, because it's something of a spoiler!
I can say this. Each of the three Mistborn books deals with one of the magic systems. In book one, the focus was on Allomancy. That same amount is there in book two, but we also add Sazed as a viewpoint character and begin talking about Feruchemy. In book three, we add an Inquisitor as a viewpoint character, and begin talking about Hemalurgy--the magic that keeps the Inquisitors alive and gives them their powers.
That's what I've found so far; I think we're set to find out a lot in around 10 days.
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I don't think that Allomancy/Hemalurgy/Feruchemy will disappear; after all where is the potential for continuing the series? (As has been hinted at.)
I would like Exhibit A entered into the record:
Brandon does have a plan for how he might continue the Mistborn series one day. When he mentioned it to me, it made me really, really excited. It's an extremely ambitious plan.
Ladies and gentlemen of the forum...
I object! This is nothing but heresay.
Your honor, according to the Civil Evidence Act 1995, In civil proceedings, evidence shall not be excluded on the ground that it is heresay.
Overruled. Please continue VegasDev.
Thank you, your Honor.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the forum, I think we all understand what Mr. Ookla meant by this statement, but for those simpler folks I will explain it to you. For Brandon to write a sequel, he had come up with a plan. Not just any plan, an ambitious plan. Furthermore, an ambitious plan was still not enough; he needed to come up with an extremely ambitious plan. Why would he need to go to such lengths? To bring magic back to a mundane world, of course.
Prosecution rests.
:( I am pretty sure I used that "hearsay evidence" to defend my case, your Honor.
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:( I am pretty sure I used that "hearsay evidence" to defend my case, your Honor.
Objection, your Honor! Counsel is being argumentative.
Counsel, I fail to see how Mr. Reaves is being argumentative; please explain your objection.
Your honor, the defense's position is that my evidence, which Mr. Reaves relies upon but withheld from the proceedings, signifies that the magic system must remain intact because of the possibility of a sequel. It is my contention that it would take an ambitious plan, for lack of a better phrase, to create said sequel. My stance is not whether there will or will not be a sequel, but based upon evidence I submitted, creating one would be a difficult endeavor. It is up to the forum to decide what makes it difficult and they won't come to the correct conclusion with the defense leading witness testimony and obscuring evidence.
Sustained, the defenses argument will be stricken from the record.
Thank you, your Honor.
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:( I am pretty sure I used that "hearsay evidence" to defend my case, your Honor.
Objection, your Honor! Counsel is being argumentative.
Counsel, I fail to see how Mr. Reaves is being argumentative; please explain your objection.
Your honor, the defense's position is that my evidence, which Mr. Reaves relies upon but withheld from the proceedings, signifies that the magic system must remain intact because of the possibility of a sequel. It is my contention that it would take an ambitious plan, for lack of a better phrase, to create said sequel. My stance is not whether there will or will not be a sequel, but based upon evidence I submitted, creating one would be a difficult endeavor. It is up to the forum to decide what makes it difficult and they won't come to the correct conclusion with the defense leading witness testimony and obscuring evidence.
Sustained, the defenses argument will be stricken from the record.
Thank you, your Honor.
Stricken!!!??? Blippety bloopity bleep!! !@#$% #@% %$#! #$@%!
EUOL plans to write a second and third trilogy several centuries after the original trilogy, one in modern times and one in a sci-fi setting.
As you can see your honor, no matter how ambitious a plan is required the saga shall continue. More tales have yet to be sung, more mists to be born. And thus I find it unlikely the magic systems shall be destroyed.
I rest my case.
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:( I am pretty sure I used that "hearsay evidence" to defend my case, your Honor.
Objection, your Honor! Counsel is being argumentative.
Counsel, I fail to see how Mr. Reaves is being argumentative; please explain your objection.
Your honor, the defense's position is that my evidence, which Mr. Reaves relies upon but withheld from the proceedings, signifies that the magic system must remain intact because of the possibility of a sequel. It is my contention that it would take an ambitious plan, for lack of a better phrase, to create said sequel. My stance is not whether there will or will not be a sequel, but based upon evidence I submitted, creating one would be a difficult endeavor. It is up to the forum to decide what makes it difficult and they won't come to the correct conclusion with the defense leading witness testimony and obscuring evidence.
Sustained, the defenses argument will be stricken from the record.
Thank you, your Honor.
Well, if your like me and think that there is a hero every thousand years or so...you can see that it wouldn't be ambitious to continue becomes of the lack of magic, but because he'd have to essentially rewrite the story of the Ruin trying to take over the world...again.
you see, its hard to follow whats coming--the HOA. I mean he can't sell the same story twice!!!!
really, mistborn is like the world--with a history that repeats itself to an extent--THATS why brandon didn't want to write "final hero" but "Hero of Ages."
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Objection, your honor! This testimony is not relevant to the facts of this case. I move to have them stricken from the record.
Sustained. elmandr1, one more outburst like that and I will have the balif escort you off premises in handcuffs. Am I understood? Proceed counselor
Your honor, I would like to submit further evidence to my case that the defense has tried to keep burried but has recently surfaced.
I can't say too much without spoilers for Mistborn 3, but suffice it to say that if I were to write more books in this world, I would want to do some new things with the magic. Some events at the end of Mistborn 3 have large ramifications on the way the magic works and the way the setting would proceed.
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Objection, your honor! This testimony is not relevant to the facts of this case. I move to have them stricken from the record.
Sustained. elmandr1, one more outburst like that and I will have the balif escort you off premises in handcuffs. Am I understood? Proceed counselor
Your honor, I would like to submit further evidence to my case that the defense has tried to keep burried but has recently surfaced.
I can't say too much without spoilers for Mistborn 3, but suffice it to say that if I were to write more books in this world, I would want to do some new things with the magic. Some events at the end of Mistborn 3 have large ramifications on the way the magic works and the way the setting would proceed.
"I.......AM.......MAAAAAGiC!" he lets out in a over the edge, really quite pathetic if your not the romantic type, scream.
*pulls out a vial and gulps*
"DIE vegasdev, you sly, sly attorney!"
"Attempts to leap of the short wooden barrier but looses his footing, falls face first before rolling on his back--mumbiling in pain. Vegasdev approaches the sad chap.*
"told you there was no more magic, na-na-banana."
*judge falls over in a heart attack caused by humiliation. elmandr1, though unconscious, makes wind. Vegasdev steps back fanning the air around him.
"i was wrong, you do have magic--and you are definitly a smoker!"
the end.