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General => Everything Else => Topic started by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on April 19, 2004, 04:49:22 PM
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Ok, since everyone has been whining about not being on the list or not being worthy of the list, I'm scrapping the list and starting anew.
Here's my idea, and this, in my eyes, is where you should register your complaint or enthusiasm or apathy about a) being quoted and b) being rendered as a cartoon on official TWG T-shirts.
The list in this post I will continually edit. It will reflect who we still need cartoons for. Below, register your opinion on how we should go about making T-Shirts, how/where we should sell them, what we should do with profits (aside from the graft which will end up in my pocket), what color they should be, quotes that deserve to be on T-Shirts, and any other input you have.
the list is made up of people who meet the following requirements:
people who have not told me they don't want their moniker/quote/cartoon likeness on an article of clothing
People who have had a quote of theirs recommended by another user (no self recommendation, and you don't recommend people, you recommend QUOTES)
THE LIST:
SaintEhlers
Tage
Slant
42
Jeffe
JamPaladin
fuzzyoctopus
Entropy
GtWC
Spriggan
Tekiel
Brenna
EUOL
Gemm
stacer
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recommended quotes:
Am I actually quotable? - Jeffe
Bad deus ex machina monkey! Bad! - 42
Great SCOTT! Captain Nazi, you diabolical FIEND! How DARE you threaten a busload of NUNS with your (GASP), Penguins of DOOM! - Slant
popularity is for dorks. Only cool, trendy people are unpopular. - SE
The conversation above is a good example of why I'll never fear anything from any of you. - Tage
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Right now I'm thinking white shirts, because I'm uncreative like that. I'm also thinking something with a TWG logo somewhere. URLs ideally on sleeves, backs, and fronts.
All that subject to change once I know what cost outlay will be.
also, I'm thinking some non-quote shirts. one idea saying
"Play me!" and having a URL for one of the departments, possibly with a picture/icon related to that department. (variants for movies/books sections might say "Watch me!" or "Read me!")
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Saint Ehlers "See. Monkeys. Funny. How long will it be to convince you of my statistics? "
Jam Palidan "Pants are *not* optional! "
42 "the 500th article, one of the signs that the world is about to end. "
Entropy "Freud can go to hell. "
fuzzyoctopus "Eric, why is it that every time I watch Zoboomafoo I think of you and your lemur fixation? '
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That one that went around for a while that Spriggan had said. Something like: "Everything is charismatic as geese."
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i believe that was "geese, is everyone charismatic as well?" or something
go find me the quote. it was in Patriot City. I need quote or I no update list.
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well I'd like to submit this for me...
but I guess it needs to be seconded.
Yeah a hot chick in a red mini-skirt nibbling on my ear and quoting Star Wars to me... Now if she owned a root beer brewery and had millions of Dollars she'd be perfect....
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I really need to get me some dynamite clad hessians...- GorgonThe WonderCow
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Can we have a shirt that says "Stet Cannister!!"?
I'm thinking that black, red and blue (non-pastels) are also good options for t-shirt color. However, cost may be prohibitive.
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I nominate "Retarded Chicken Bigot!" as well as the first SE quote that I quoted. Which I can't remember right now.
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Since this was my idea and I'm not seeing any good spriggan quotes, I decided to post several that I remember. Listed in no paticaluar order.
Ahhhhh you amatures I'm 90% lazy
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Cat Burger
it looks kinda fake for one thing, but the fact that it grows 6 inches a day! and can grow up 12 feet.
Sorry but Spriggan has been speaking in Japanese alot and speaking in 3rd person is perfectly normal in Japanese
Entropy, I just have one thing to say to you: THANKS SO FRICKEN MUCH!
You know here i am giveing you a new vocabulary and you mock me.
I say we need to discuss this at Doc's pizz buffet with tage paying.
well i seem to remeber you takeing out a baseball bat and hitting us repeadly when we got out of hand.
Wow I use to love those when I was a kid, now I just find them disturbing.
well everything but the wearing the same shirt everyday. Good hygine isn't a waste of time.
But if you want to know how cool I am, I have my orignal NES with Zelda I&II
But the sheer jiglyness of the women would be more then pg-13
He's scottish, so everyone's a bastard
We do it so the bad articel writters feel better about themselfs.
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My personal favorite is:
Caps lock is not your friend. It is, in fact, your mortal enemy and made very disparaging remarks about your mother.
-Entropy
Since I don't suppose we could squeeze this on here.
Saint Ehlers: "Just to be clear, I've decided to become transparent."
JamPaladin: "Not opaque?"
Saint Ehlers: "Just to be clear, I am not being opaque."
Gemm: "Opaque isn't as clear as being transparent. So I encourage him to be as transparent as he can."
JamPaladin: "Why not compromise on translucent?"
Saint Ehlers: "Just to be clear, I'm allowing light to pass through me."
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I think that having a Saint interrogate you for the Inquisition would be very effective, what with him being holy and dead and all. --fuzzy
Well, I worked and worked and worked (sort of) and finally leveled up from Gutter-crawler . . . only to find that I am now a Flea-ridden Gutter-crawler. Guess work is starting to get to me.--Tekiel
Are they serious or is this just a random thought? Cause the idea of Aragorn suddenly bursting out in song during a battle seems a little weird to me.--Tekiel
And then there's the creature that is much scarier than plain old Cthulhu--"Hello Cthulhu"! --Brenna
Hey, I'm not a hermit anymore! Oh, wait...well, at least I'm enlightened now... --Brenna
You insufferable women: I don't *like* nagging. I've just been told that I'm good at reminding people that they should be writing instead of doing other things.--EUOL
Hummm. We'll have to try and find a way to make certain you accomplish your goal. I know! Nagging. It's time tested and mother-approved. (Especially if it's my mother.) --EUOL
And Eric, I was teasing about me being quotable, as well. I already know I'm probably less quotable than some. ;)
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ok, yeah, I'm nominating some of those quotes spriggan posted, so he can go on (you can't nominate yourself, but I guess if you find yourself witty, as I do, you can remind people of what you've said so you can get nominated)
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I agree with black. Black is good for sneaking and assasinating. I need more black, and less everything else, so I choose black.
I also think it is important for the quotes to be funny out of context, as people who aren't part of the webstite will wonder what the friggin goose egg layin' chickens we are thinking when we say
"Are they serious or is this just a random thought? Cause the idea of Aragorn suddenly bursting out in song during a battle seems a little weird to me.--Tekiel" (just as an example) and in return make us outcasts who are rejected by society. And we all know those rejected by society smell funny...
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yes, i think they need to be out of context funny too.
multiple colors. I'll have to see what colors we come up with for icons/characters
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So will this be a Cafe Press kind of thing?
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It's too bad we can't put a picture of "Hello Cthulu" on the t-shirt.
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thinking cafe press, not sure
I'm definitely not going to use ALL these quotes. Maybe have a private survey where they all get rated 1 to 10 and then take the highest scoring ones
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That's what I was assumeing you were going to do, the poll that is.
Caffepress is covienient in trems of you don't have to place any order beforehand, but besides that they're not that good of a deal. I'm sure SE will look into several companies before he chooses. Remember, we still have several months till the Con.
However, it is tempting to have an audio CD (http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/products/productdetail.aspx?prodtypeno=93) of us reading forum posts. I tell ya, it could be the next big thing.
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oh ya, I should add, with Caffepress unless you use they're pay service you can only have one design per item. So if we went that way we could have one quote for each shirt type.
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right. See, i'm lazy. I've already done much more work on this today than I planned on doing this WEEK. I'm gonna call some local companies. Talk to some web cartoonists and see how they've done, etc. See if I can find a good deal.
The problem is, without using something like cafepress, somone has to front cash, that means getting orders first. Since we have a small crowd here, we're looking at selling at cons or something, which means we'd have to have REALLY cool stuff. Which is why this will all be narrowed down before the final 5 or so designs are chosen
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I'm just wondering how much the premium cafe-press membership is, the site says starting at $4.99. I don't want to regester just to find out. If we could get all the designs we wanted for that price I don't mind ponying up $15-20 dollers to start it up for a few months, provided that I get the cash back once things start selling. We get about 500-600 hits a day, and even at the most liberal math more then half are non-forum visits. So we probaly could sell stuff through the site easly enough.
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"You've been kneading your ideas? How do you do that? Massage your head?" -- stacer
"Don't hate me because I can't resist correcting spelling errors." -- stacer
"Or maybe you'll decide you just need less sleep." -- stacer (I think this should be the TWG motto.)
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Since there haven't been many from EUOL, here are some:
All I can say is that you're obviously in the right place. I bow before your l33t time-wasting skillz.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves for wasteing good potentially wasted time.
He who punches me will find himself polymophed into one of my undead minions!
can you imagine me playing DDR? Boy, that's a laughable image.
Nah, the true root of all evil is Marilyn Manson playing a video game about the Bible.
I've been out of the loop so long, I didn't get yelled at like everyone else.
I feel so hated. Makes me all tingly inside.
I believe there's an old saying that warns against two miltary ideas:
First, never get involved in a land war in Asia. Second, never get in an argument with Mustard about World War II.
I'm Brandon Sanderson--author, philanthropist, Evil Overlord.
Ooo. Evil Master Plan? Does it, like mine, involve chickens? Undead Chickens of Doom!
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T-shirts are a cool idea. I'd need to second the idea about Entropy's caps lock quote. Also, why has no-one suggested "OF DOOM!!!" yet?
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I think someone did, JP. It's just part of a larger quote.
I would like to note that nobody's got my two favorite EUOL quotes yet. However, I'm not going to bring them up, since I'm planning on working at least one into a book.
Also, I would like to point out that I'm a bit uncertain about this entire thing. I'm not certain that we'll end up selling any shirts, but as long as they don't cost us anything to set up, I guess there's no harm in giving it a try....
I would also like to note that Fell is probably one of the most quotable people on the site--except, all of his amusing goodness generally goes into editorials and polls. I think a few of his polls alone would make great T-shirt text.
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eh, you know, even if the shirt thing never comes into furition we'll still have a cool list of fun quotes. However, as I told you today, you realy should have a brandonsanderson.com shirt for people to wear.
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We'll see what kind of art I get for the book and the site first. (And see if I can use it or not.)
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"Bow before my l33t time wasting skillz!" would be a good T-shirt slogan, even though it is not a direct quote.
Maybe if we set them up in a few weeks, we can see if they move on the site at all.
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I thought one of your favorite quotes was "Long names are like long engagements. By the time you get to the end, you can't remember why you started."
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Wow. Fell and I must never say anything clever.
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I'm sure there's some great ones. I just haven't taken the time yet to look.
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I'm not specifically searching for quotes, though that's an interesting way to raise page views. I've just been going with what I remember with my limited brain power.
which means, rather than not saying anything witty, you simply don't say anything memorable ;D
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I know I've said memorable stuff....
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Ok, Hoddy doodians, here's what my initial research has turned up.
Many T-shirt shops for web comics use Brunetto T-Shirts, which is, incidentally, a couple bucks cheaper per shirt than Cafe press. We could do most Tees for $11 and make a $2 profit this way. As a promotional thing, we could even do them at cost and get the name out, just a thought. I'm not sure how their distribution works (some mention using Domination Distributing, which has an appropriate name for people with nicks like EUOL). I have a couple queries out to web cartoonists to see how they feel it's worked for them. I'll let you know what I learn.
The thinka bout Brunetto over Cafepress is that they don't do hats (or panties, or mugs, or mouse pads, etc, etc). I suppose we could do Brunetto for T-shirts and if we want other merchandise available we could do Cafepress. input?
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I think we should try a few t-shirts first, and see what happens.
I also want a BS.com (is domain available?) shirt if there is one, because it's like going to a bookstore and having HoM sign my copy of a book he wrote. It's very cool.
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there is no brandonsanderson.com t-shirt yet.
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Yes I know.
However, as I told you today, you realy should have a brandonsanderson.com shirt for people to wear.
We'll see what kind of art I get for the book and the site first. (And see if I can use it or not.)
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I could possibly do the artwork, depending on what style you want.
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I like Cafe Press, because we can have TWG clocks...
and messenger bags...
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Pft. I can do that myself here at home. It's nothing big.
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when we get to artwork, we're probably looking at something iconic and simple. the fewer colors (4 or less) the less we pay, generally speaking. It would be cool if those cartoons were easily made into "sprites" so we could pretend to do a "Final TWG Fantasy" story or something. Maybe beat up 8-bit Theater for Brian Clevinger's lunch money.
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I can do that. Just ask MOD.
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the other reason I think Cafe Press is better (besides having more stuff) is that they offer POD printing too in addition to Data and music CD's.
So we can do a physical TWG newsletter, or print the best story going in the writers section... which gives us a lot of cred and frees us from publishers and fees...
As for the one thing at a time, we need to try the free store for a little bit...
If it turns out we make money (with cool shirts and such) then we can upgrade...
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I don't think there is NEARLY enough interest in having a print TWG to justify the effort of making a data cd or a print TWG. What would it include? Stuff already available for free on the web site? there's no reason to make a cd for it, which would cost the producer effort and the buyer cash for stuff that's already available for free.
There is nothing to put on a music CD
POD is fine, but if we can save a few bucks, even 2 or 3, I'd rather do that. True, we're looking at probably very small runs, which makes pre-printing potentially hazardous. But the savings would be worth it if we knew. Frankly, I just don't think there's enough NEED to have all that other stuff on cafepress, and they charge more, so I lean toward pre-print.
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Tage: Sam Logan says "hi"
anyway, he explained his shirt system to me. Basically, the important part of decision making is this. With his plan, which uses Brunetto, you can charge $15 and make a $5 profit.
With cafepress you can charge $15 and break even. To me, that choice seems pretty clear.
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Since when does Sam Logan run a t-shirt print service?
Geez we really need to get someone to review S&F. It's still one of my favorite comics.
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As long as I'm here, I thought I'd throw in some Tage quotes, since I have so few nominations:
What, exactly, does the summoning ritual consist of to summon me? More importantly, does it involve offering virgin girls to me?
This is a good example of why it's impossible to have a rational discussion on this forum.
I've decided that your avatar is named Basil. Shake it, Basil.
I think it's been too long since we poked fun at the brits.
Whew, my cynicism in humanity is restored!
I thought she meant boobers, which is probably the only reason I'd watch it.
It's a wonder to me that anyone pays money to see hot chicks these days, what with the internet and all.
I wonder if it's even possible for a thread on this forum to not eventually descend into mindless drivel.
Oh I don't know, there are definitely things about people I'd just rather not know, and amount of body hair is one of them.
There are possibly dumber things to do, but I figure hey, I want a challenge.
Ok, that's way more than I originally intended. I think I let myself get carried away by ... myself.
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Tage: I'll get on S&F. I got about halfway through the comic when my browser crashed, which is why I never wrote a review--I was too lazy to look up where I was in the archive.
I still think that some of Fell's polls would make wonderful T-Shirt patterns.
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If we are to get a store going there are a few major points to remember...
A) There will be an extremly limited demand. If we, like you said, are getting 250-300 non forum hits a day, allotting an estimated 100-200 people a day who come that are not members on purpose (without fluke). I am willing to bet a good amount leave fairly quickly leaving us with maybe 50- 100 a day that look around, maybe 20-80 would check out the store, and how many will buy something? So estimated 0-80 (big range, I know) a day. So to get a profit out of this would take time or advertisement, either or, and more attractions to the common man to reel them in. This means more reviews and maybe a games (for actual playing) section.
B) Everything has to be understandably funny to EVERYONE who we may wish to buy it. Many quotes here are friggin' hilarious to us but to others the joke would be lost. Remember that our targeted consumer knows nothing about the forum, our personalities or traits and no event in the actual site which happened in the past.
There was something else I wanted to say but I can't remember it, it was a logical point though, so keep it in mind...
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I second both of Gorgon's points. Also, if this were to make any money, we would have to discuss where it would go. It would be a small enough amount that probably the best place for it to go is the purchase of items to review.
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I definately think that any money made after all investors are paid back should either go towards buying items to review or paying people who spend an extra amount of time reviewing, programming or making something for the site. After all, the more we have to review, show off and give to the general public the more people will want merchandise, but you gotta start small.
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Sam Logan doesn't run a print service. He just explained to me how he arranges for the sale of T-shirts on his forum
And I'm thining of selling them at cost. A $10 T-shirt. no profit, just advertising.
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I think useing the Brunetto serview for shirts is a good idea. And if we want/need to, jump to CP for other odds and ends. The only things at CP I can see being cool to sell would be a TWG clock (as Jeffe mentioned) and a calinder with 42's artwork on it (that could be realy cool).
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Well at no profit and advertising, what are we advertising for? More no profit shirts?
Personally in this situation the idea of no profit deals to pull other people in to get them later when we DO get a profit seems ridiculous, and heres why;
If we have an extremely limited demand. Selling shirts at no profit will move them faster, but will not bring up the demand much (if at all) unless incorperated with other gimmicks, like some of the suggestions I gave out above. This is return drains our demand to a minimum while we need to sell more shirts to pay back the investors, who should, in my book, get more if this is a success than they put in.
Now, if we were to sell for $11.50 we rake in $1.50 a shirt, at approx. 0-80 shirts a day within one month we could be in a profit as long as we don't hold zero for many days on end. Then we can bump up the price to $13 a shirt, doubling profits, and we would have gotten about the same amount of advertising done. At this point we can use surplus profits to make other merchandise and more fulfilling attractions in our site.
And if we go at $11.50 and it fails completely, we will always come out licking our wounds a little, lower our price to $10 and come out with at least $3 (yeah us!) profit.
That's the path I would personally like to see taken.
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licking our wounds a little, lower our price to $10 and come out with at least $3 (yeah us!) profit.
This is given that we manage to sell all the shirts left after we lower the price. If we don't sell all the shirts in this situation then we wouldn't have sold them all in a $10 to begin with situation anyway, so no worries.
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The cow speaks much sence.
*Man I've got to lay off the caffine*
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Yeah, I don't think it's the caffine that is driving you to understand a cow...
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actually , I'm not sure what nubmers the cow is using.
How does charging 11.50 not equal a profit?
anyway, the point of non-profit shirts is to advertise the site, not the shirts themselves.
The only thing I really want off cp is a hat. i like hats. I want a hat that tells people that the deus ex machina monkey is bad
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The difference between 10$ and $12 is probably negligible to someone who's actually willing to buy a TWG T-shirt off the internet.
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Sorry SE, what I meant was if we STARTED at 11.50 and didn't sell enough then DROPPED the price to $10 in a non/little profit situation. At $11.50 we would definately pull in profit, and it seems low enough to get interested buyers.
As for advertising for the site, I don't really see how that benefits for us as there will be people we need to pay back plus some and the site itself gives no one here a profit, and anyone who likes the site enough to buy a shirt is probably telling their friends about it anyway...
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I think the TWG shirts would sell better if we had something besides the forums, like a flash movies section. The movies would be based off of forum toipcs. This is something me and Entropy talked about maybe 8 months or so ago, but I didn't want to do it. Don't realy want to now either, but if there was that connection to the shorts/quotes it would help sell them.
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well, ABM adn a sprite comic could liven things up
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Well, if we are working on upping sales we should sell shirts first, I think, then anyone willing to go the extra mile and making games (which I think is a great idea), flashes (another great idea, although making them off topics could be confusing to some), or research to an extreme gets webspace for what they are working on and any disposable profit which we have no current use for. This, in return, yes would up sales and bring in more people, upping sales upping dispensable profit upping the amount of money people who work get for their time, in a cycle.
If we played our cards right we could get an extremely profitable speal going on here with no advertisments on the page, which is a huge plus for popularity points
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Well, I'm going to see if I can get into a drawing mood again this summer. The thing is, ABM was just too big of a production. It took me a LONG time to draw those pictures, scan them, then make them look good in PhotoShop. I want to do something that's a little less artistically challenging. Wish I knew how to use one of those nifty 'draw on the pad and it appears on the screen' dealies.
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just go drop 100 bucks and get a wacom. You just have to get used to not seeing your hand.
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A WACOM? They're pretty neat once you get use to them. You can pick one up for about $70-80.
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That's the type of stuff which you could get with the profits and EUOL would then make webcomics, helping the site's repretation and giving us another merchandise idea.
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That's the type of stuff which you could get with the profits and EUOL would then make webcomics, helping the site's repretation and giving us another merchandise idea.
psh, next to Tage, EUOL's the richest person on the site (fell and both make more but have that whole family thing that takes their money), he can afford one himself.
Also there are lots of wacom's on ebay between $30-$50
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?ht=51&query=wacom&sonewuser=1&krd=1&?kw=wacom
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Well, that being the case or not there is no reason that EUOL should be buying Wacoms and making a comic without getting something in return, especially if it helps us make a profit. We could, in the least, give him the money for the Wacom if this merchandise thing works, which if we do it right it should.
Personally, I would be happy to make flashes for the sight, but I would need someone else to add the noises for me, which wouldn't take much time at all. This is because my version of flash wants only MP3s and I have no way to get ahold of those, but I can save it as MX so there should be no problems until I can get MP3s.
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I'm gona throw us back into reverse. Fell is the only one making decisions about this site becoming profitable, I think. until he tells me that this is soemthing we're going to do to make profit, I think i'm just leaving it as a non-profit thing. people will buy shirts because they like them. No one gets money, etc.
And EUOL would draw a comic for the same reason that he did before, and the same reason so many of us write articles/reviews. Because we want to. And we'd like to see the site grow.
That's my take. He expressed wanting to learn to use a wacom-like tablet. I merely suggested just buying one. They're not of unrealistic cost and they're hecka cool.
if we were going for profit, incidentally, I'd just charge $15, which is an average price for shirts, and gets us a lot of profit. End of story. if we do $10, more people would buy them, thus we aer more likely to be able to get away with a price like $10, and the more of us will get to see our shirts, and the more people who see the URL and check it out.
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don't think I could have worded it better myself.
I'd just like to add, as long as the site is non-profitt I can make flash things (even though it's rare that i finish). Once TWG starts takeing in cash I might have to remove all things from it since I only have a student licence for Flash. I'll have to recheck my licence agreement, but I'm pretty sure even though if I don't make money from the site I still can't make things if the site itself makes money.
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I hate to sound negative, but realistically, I think we'd probably sell around 10-30 T-shirts. Not 10-30 per day, total. Our readership is pretty limited, and I'm betting the people willing to spend ANYTHING for something like this have already chimed in.
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Man, I don't even get quoted on my own website? Well, thanks to EUOL anyway for suggesting it multiple times, even though nobody took him up on it.
As far as T-shirts go, I say hurrah. As far as profits go, I say...hurrah if we can do it, but nobody get your hopes up. Tage is probably very correct when he says that the primary audience for these T-shirts are the people posting to this thread; I just don't foresee anyone else buying them.
Someday I would like this site to make money, if only because I want to quit my real job. I need to really study the idea first, however, and make sure we know what we're doing. That said, if people are willing to pay 15 or even 12 bucks for a T-shirt, we could certainly do something cool with the money--we could finance a few months of a MMOG account for a reviewer, or pay for an event/con kind of thing, or whatever.
I need a new poll anyway, so howzabout I ask people what price they would pay for a ten dollar shirt with forum quotes?
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I'd buy one of those... personally i think a lot of the signatures here would make some pretty funny shirts...
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Okay, so I've got kind of an idea for a new webcomic. However, to cut down on the artistic skills, I was thinking of something more digitally-oriented. That leads me to a question. Perhaps 42 or SE can answer this. How legal would it be of me to take screenshots of pictures/articles/headlines I see on-line, and then have the characters make fun of them? Does this fall under the 'parody' blanket?
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Well I'm neither, but I would say yes. I saw dorktower do it just a few days ago.
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yeah, the only real misuse would be representing those articles as your own work or simply reprinting them for information purposes. putting them into a comic book specifically to make fun of them, that's fine.
Oh, and I was going to say, a survey would be great.
Later I'll run a survey of actual quotes, if we have ten or more people willing to pay for the shirt. I'm going to narrow down the quotes to externally understandable ones.
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Also EUOL, if you cannot get an auto-updater I know how to code one (more or less).
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Sam sent me another message, confirming my thinking:
There are definitely some big problems with cafe press. Their shirts are only available in white and have a much lower print quality. Brunetto's shirts are all screen printed, which means you get a professional quality print, not something that looks like an iron-on transfer printed off of someone's inkjet printer.
And yeah, Brunetto is WAY cheaper, too. ;)
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I was just looking at Cafe press and they had shirt with colors... dont know about quality though.
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So, assuming I DID do a new comic, here are some potential sprites I whipped up...
http://www.brandonsanderson.com/graphics/three.bmp
Comic idea: Three evil overlords have a contest to see who can completely dominate the world first. Those overlords? Why, EUOL, SaintEhlers, and Entropy, of course. (Can you guess who is who...?)
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As long as Im the freelance mad scientist
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I'm pretty sure the order is Entropy, SE, EUOL in that picture. That rules. I like it.
There are a few color shirts, on cafepress, Jeffe, available only to premium members. Which means paying for membership.
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And I, as his(Jeffe) quirky yet loveable associate!
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Hahaha... i'm antler head man!
Also, me and JP came up with the idea of two paladins (me and him, we both play them all the time in bioware RPG's) who wander around and do stuff. Webcomic idea.
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If it's simply a sprite comic, EUOL, you might consider taking submissions from people on the forum. Plot lines starring Fuzzy, Brenna, stacer and I come immediately to mind. ;)
I'm sorry about not quoting you Fell, but you haven't been on enough lately to say anything memorable.
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I think the guy doing the comic should have complete control over what he puts in. I mean, if he wants to be so unrealistic as to make the SE character an incompetant fool, well, i mean, it's fiction, right? RIGHT?!
anyway, if he wants suggestions for scripts or jokes, that's one thing, but I know, as a creator, I'd get annoyed really quick if people not heading the site running my work telling me what should go into my uncompensated creation would annoy me right quick.
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grey is a color :) but yeah I went back and checked...
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Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a guest comic (where someone else writes it and does the art for it). Obviously, EUOL wouldn't even bother making a comic about "insufferable women."
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Lol. I'm certainly eager for ideas and things. As I hinted at earlier, I kind of wanted to do a 'parody' style webcomic. Take some screenshots of interesting things I see and have the characters be mouthpieces for my mockery. The backdrop of them all struggling to control the world will make good ambiance, I think.
Plus, I think sprites are nifty. I've always wanted to try my hand at doing some sprite artwork.
I have a feeling all three characters will turn out to be just a bit silly. Not incompetent, just...quirky.
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So you actualy drew those?
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Also, me and JP came up with the idea of two paladins (me and him, we both play them all the time in bioware RPG's) who wander around and do stuff. Webcomic idea.
That will only work if JP is the Palladin of Jam! The perfect breakfast topping.
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the Paladin of a condiment, and the paladin of ... chaos? Is that even allowed?
I was thinking of a sprite comic, but if EUOL's already doing one, I'll rethink that.
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you should make a sprite comic staring Mr. Man.
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Yeah, we've been thinking about this Paladin comic idea, since neither of us can really draw or anything. The idea is Entropy is a paladin of chaos, while I'm a paladin of goodness and stuff. Except I'm really corrupt, and try to hide it and stuff. And Entropy n00b bashes. And stuff. Probably Jam. I need some Jam. I'd toast some bread but there's no Jam in the house.
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Mr. Man already is a star
Perhaps then, a Mr. Man comic would be an instant hit!
every panel could have Mr. Man. DANCING!
but back to the main subject, I think we've got a plan here. What we need is this:
Sharm, can you really draw simple sprite images of everyone on the list? I'll come up with a frame of reference for it soon.
When is our poll coming up? I need to know what we'll be charging.
Finally, the quotes. I will have a narrowed down list soon. Who wants to write a brief poll form that will email me the results and keep the email address on file? I'm think we can post a link to this poll, and ask readers to rank the 10 I narrow it down to in order of preference. Then I can add the numbers and the 3 best will be made into shirts. I'm sure I already have a script for this on my server, but I'm too lazy to find it.
I'm going to see what kind of response we get. If we get enough interest, I'll start taking preorders.
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I already narrowed it down to 10 quotes, chosen on the basis of humor and out-of-context comprehensibility. There were some realy gut busters I had to cut out, but now I have the list. I feel a bit eager, because two the remaining ones are mine, but I'm doing all the running around here, so I figure I'm justified. I'll make the form later today. If you don't like 'em, don't vote for 'em.
The people still on the list are:
Me, EUOL, Stacer, Entropy, Spriggan, JamPaladin, 42, and Slant
others of you will get a chance if this gets off the ground and flies far.
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You know, maybe we should have a Sprite section/page were you guys can throw all your sprite comics and stuff. If you all want to do one this might be a good idea. You could divide the daily/weekly updates between each other. Like have one run 3 days/week, and the other two once a week. Or 2 at 2 days/week and one at 1 day/week etc.
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Life of Riley does 3/week, then there's some stupid stuff taken from screenshots of FF online or whatever on Tues and THurs. we could always do 6 days a week too, with each doing 2 days. I don't have any solid ideas right now, though, and I've decided against trying to do a comic for now. Esp. if EOUL will be doing one.
One thing to keep in mind with multiple comics is also what LoR does: have a "story mode" where the forward/back buttons move to the next comic in the particular storyline, rather than the next one published. Even if there's no storylines, maybe someone likes EUOL's but not say, mine (assuming I were to do one). They could skip over mine and move to the next EUOL one.
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I kind of like the idea of a hodge-podge of comics, done by all of us. It takes a lot of the pressure off if we're each only responsible for one day a week. Plus, as SE just pointed out, we would be able to offer a variety of styles in humor and narrative.
Sprig: Yes, I drew those sprites. Now I just need to do some side views for each one.
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Like I said, I would be more than obliged to start making TWG flashes, although some may just end up being espionage stick figure shows... But I can certainly add stuffs from the forum and make a series should there be enough humour or point in it. And I have convinced a few friends to get me any and all MP3s I need so I will be good to go there. In fact, I could get started as soon as I get done with the project I am on now, which may in fact drag me to the summer...
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well, i'm looking at the poll results, and assuming no one is cheating, we've had about 20 people saying they would pay $10 for shirts. half that would pay more. So, I guess we'll get a design together.
THe way the survey is going to work is this: YOu will rank the quotes in order of favoritism. higher numbers are better. I will then average the scores awarded to each quote, and the one that has the highest average score will be made into a shirt, assuming we get enough pre-orders, which I think will be doable. Unless the poll explodes with tons of new votes, I don't think there's enough interest to justify two shirts at this time -- and even if we do get tons of new poll votes, I'll be wondering about the percentage of repeat votes. We'll see.
Here's my design idea, which you guys can comment on (figuring out a cost will also potentially change this. I want two sided shirts, but that might drive costs up). On the front I was going to have the TWG logo, just a b/w version fo the clock, the words "The Official Time-Waster's Guide," and those lines. Underneat is the url (www.timewastersguide.com)
On the back, a b/w cartoon of the person who made the chosen quote, and the quote. I haven't decided on font for the quote. The URL will appear under the pic/quote in a smaller font.
I may upgrade all those to color, depending on cost. I'm also thinking of adding the words "play me" in the line with the url. But that may sound gay. That's why I'm asking for feedback.
I have one other question. Do you think the people voting that they'd pay $10 would do $10+shipping (which I can't imagine would be more than a buck or so)?
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Most people wouldn't think of the shipping, probably, but I don't think the dollar or two will really cramp anyone's style. It should be implied that there will be shipping anyway.
I like the Idea of Timewastersguide.com on the front, the logo. I think It should be either white or moroon on a black shirt, personally. Play will look a little homoerrotic, so I disagree with that motion. Could we maybe get up a scetch for the back with the quoter big in the middle and the rest of us behind him/her? I think that would play out the best, with the quote on top in the same color as the text on the front. Century Gothic might be good for the quote, too...
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Play will look a little homoerrotic
ok, i'm sorry, WHAT?!
I can get seeing inuendo in it, but homoerotic? I mean, what's wrong with you?
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Thanks to Spriggan, we now have a poll (http://www.saintehlers.com/Poll.php) to determine which quote is most popular. Please fill it out, but only once. Otherwise you skew the number and that could hurt people here financially. Thank you. Perhaps a link from the poll section on TWG to this poll would be appropriate? then we might get a broader opinion.
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Hmm...I just realised, I didn't actually make up the pants quote myself. I remember I read it *somewhere*, thought it was funny, and started saying. Thought I better point this out, in case it's a copyright issue.
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Yes. The same with mine. I meant to note that it was a quote, but since the person who said it had a swearword as their nickname, i left their name out. So, you could use it anyway, but i'll feel slightly guilty over it :P
I think it'd be funny if someone were to cartoon-ize the entire TWG regular cast, in a big group picture, just to see how he portrays us.
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hrm... that does raise an issue. Which is too bad, becasue both your quotes, in the results I've gotten so far, are doing fairly well
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I will not fill out said survey untill I am, in fact, on it. :)
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funny, and here I thought I'd made it clear that I wasn't catering to egos. Only one of your quotes was recommended, and it wasn't one of the ten best. But if you really refuse to help us work this out, then be stubborn like that.
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Its not really ego, Im surprised by the general lack of good quote diversity its like someone half heartedly decided to get quotes from the good old boys club and ignored other members. Thanks to some internet problems over the last couple of days I havent been able to get on, but I know Ive said stuff more quotable than the Am I quotable line?. Even if I did find something I cant suggest it (which I thought was kind of asanine from the get go) so I have to call it to the attention of others just to get it on the list. I say I thought that it was asanine because I dont expect spriggan or you to search back for good quotes for me,... but I could because it interests me.
I just dont like that some people have 2 or 3 because quotes on the top ten just because some people post more or didnt bother to look up good quotes for others. Plus we werent allowed to suggest better ones for ourselves.
Im also not sure why it just has to be one quote per shirt, and why it couldnt be a list of quotes attributed to people on the board. But thats just me.
It just doesnt seem very fair, and Im surprised your Ok with it.
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there's one quote because that's the design I'm making. I'm doing the work, so I make the decisions. If you want to make another shirt and do the research and coordination, fine, but you'll be splitting the effort and probably make it so neither shirt will sell. The design is still up for discussion, but I won't consider something else unless you present it as a suggestion, rather than crying to me about how I'm not being fair.
and maybe it's not fair, but you're the first person to disagree with the process, and i'm not going to start over from scratch. These are the quotes up for question. I'm not making ANY claim that they're the only funny quotes, or even the best on the board. I am NOT saying that you're not witty, and I'm quite surprised that you're taking it so personally. I've already said at least three times, and more than that in private conversations, that if these shirts sell, I'll probably make more designs. What else do you want?
Yes, I said don't recommend yourself, but then spriggan did anyway, and one of those quotes made it on the list. You could have done the same. I'm sorry that you weren't around, but I hardly have any control over that. Maybe it's not fair, but it's not the fault of anyone here.
For the record, NO ONE has 3 quotes on the poll. tWO PEOPLE have 2 quotes. That means 8 people are on the list. Out of 155 registered users, that means a LOT of people got left out. There was nothing personal in that decision. Incidentally, of the 4 quotes given by the people who had two, three of them are in the top four, and the other top four is one of the ones we have to drop.
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First of all you need to chill, Im not crying about it, Im just not voting.
Thats what you recommended.
Im also telling you why I decided to not not vote, to at least help you make a descison and give some critical information.
The point is that Spriggan breaks your rule and gets a pat on the head and other people follow it and dont, yeah, thats cool.
Sorry, but I think thats kind of crappy.
Take it for what its worth.
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The not filling out the survey untill Im on it was a little joke- note the smiley face, and I was going to post more on it later, mainly because I had to work at the time.
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Ok so there arent 3
The point is that Spriggan breaks your rule and gets a pat on the head and other people follow it and dont, yeah, thats cool.
Sorry, but I think thats kind of crappy.
That is not what happened at all, and I think you know that. So I didn't consciously tell people "good job for following the rules" but neither did Sprig get a "good job" on breaking it. give me a break.
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I think your taking this a lot more seriously than I am since you seem pretty excitable this morning. Im just going to drop it for now and still not vote. I dont think its right that people should have more than 1 in the top 10 if other people had funny quotes.
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Maybe I am. But so far you've accused me of being unfair, hypocritical, mean, extremely poor sense of humor, and of playing favorites AGAINST MY BEST FRIEND. How am I supposed to take it, Jeffe? Really?
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I have done no such thing which is why I think your taking it more seriously than I am. And why I have asked you to chill out. I think a lot of this is internet related....
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If you want to talk about it give me a call at work 202-267-1148
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I have done no such thing which is why I think your taking it more seriously than I am. And why I have asked you to chill out. I think a lot of this is internet related....
really?
unfair:
"It just doesnt seem very fair, and Im surprised your Ok with it"
This described a process *I* made up.
hypocritical:
"The point is that Spriggan breaks your rule and gets a pat on the head and other people follow it and dont, yeah, thats cool"
mean:
Thanks to some internet problems over the last couple of days I havent been able to get on, .... Even if I did find something I cant suggest it (which I thought was kind of asanine from the get go) so I have to call it to the attention of others just to get it on the list.
I just dont like that some people have 2 or 3 because quotes on the top ten just because some people post more or didnt bother to look up good quotes for others. Plus we werent allowed to suggest better ones for ourselves.
The whole sense of that quote is that I was being unrealistically harsh.
extremely poor sense of humor:
"I also don't think that many of the quotes are very good"
Yes, you erased it, but that's what i was responding to. I chose these on the basis of humor, and now you're telling me none of them are worth giving a good vote.
and of playing favorites AGAINST MY BEST FRIEND
"its like someone half heartedly decided to get quotes from the good old boys club and ignored other members."
So, now tell me. You did "no such thing?"
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Thats it....
I did no such thing... so stop trying to do this here and frigging call me already, I dont have time to keep checking this board to see if my friend is having a conniption because I didnt agree with what he wanted.
Your overreacting to something I dont care an awful lot about. Maybe you need to take a timeout, or maybe this is to close to you to actually take a step back and realize Im not attacking you. If you dont want to call and discuss it like adults ok, but Im done with this stupid argument and I dont know why your making it into a big deal.
YOU NEED TO STOP!!!
Im going to respond to each of your issues and then Im done! Finito, no more on this board about it. If you write more about it and I'll just ignore it.
Just because you made up the process doesnt mean I have to like the result. And If I dont like the result its the process I dont like and not you. If I think its unfair it doesnt mean I blame you, I think if we were serious about getting good quotes we should have looked for some.
I did a quick seach and found a ton of quotes from you that were funnier or at least as funny as the monkey quote.... Heres one for starters " The hamburgler with a cold , Nubble nubble. Yeah, I'm a freak." or how about this one "you know if you start Internet dating I'm going to tease you mercilessly"
Just because I dont think you should have included spriggans self suggested quote dont think that means Im calling you hypocritical. I dont have to like that he can recommend a quote and have it get in but when I recommended one eariler (the star wars one in the beginning of the list) it wasn't even considered, and I know that because you told me there was only one quote submitted for me.
I dont think your mean, although Im beginning to think your very paranoid today. If you truely think that Im launching a personal attack against you then I want you to take a time out, get on your knees and pray for guidence about it. Ask God what you should do about this whole situation, and ask him how I your best friend and almost brother feel about you.
Humor, just because I dont think the same things are as funny as you do doesnt mean that I think you have a bad sense of humor. I didnt realize you wanted me to rubber stamp everything you think is funny. Some were ok some werent. I just think a more thorough perusal of the Forums could turn up some funnier stuff.
And as for favorites, I dont think anything was deliberate, but I do think that some people were more likely to get quotes than others. Gemms said some hysterically funny stuff and he didnt get a single quote.
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And this is the quote I would have submitted for myself If I had known I could
I'll take Fandom for a thousand Alex!"
"And the answer is Two Leias, Two Amidalas, and an Arwen"
buzzzzzzzzz
" Um...What is the scariest thing you've seen a fat girl dressed as at a science fiction convention, Alex?"
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ok, so I'm a liar, childish, and irrational too.
Yeah, this makes me want to call you.
I agree, I'm not going to argue about it anymore, because I can present facts and then you just twist them to mean something else.
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So you decided not to pray on it.
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First of all, for the sake of TFO, and the other newbies who aren't really that new anymore, you two ( or at least SE) were the ones complaining about page long two person conversation. If you expect to enforce any rules you should follow them (or at least follow them when other people are watching...)
Secondly, as a third party who is completely nuetral I am quite disappointed in how you both over-reacted to eachother's responses.
First of all, Jeffe, I didn't get a quote in either. I am quite frequently posting and could go back and pull at least four quotes I think would be good. But it's really too late for that. The poll is up and SE would have to go through and redo the poll and everyone would have to take it again FOR A 1/10 CHANCE THAT YOUR SHIRT WOULD BE BEST. It wouldn't be fair to him, and pushing an injustice of yours onto someone else is no way to deal with things.
SE, I think you have definately over reacted to a statement by Jeffe. If he was organizing a coup or something it would be different, but he is just choosing not to vote. It's not like the rest of us aren't going to vote, so it really doesn't undermine the process at all. And I know you two are chums so it makes it hard to let things like this go since you must deal with eachother all the time, which is more of a reason for you to civilly make your argument (which you originally did) and let him do whatever he wants.
Back to you, Jeffe, for the more than one quote per person, it doesn't matter who the quote is by, it matters if the quote is good. If you didn't know who the quotes were by you wouldn't be mad, or shouldn't be, as most of them are good quotes. If it really matters SO much to you that strangers, who have NO idea who you are, know you make a lot of "Jepardy" jokes, go advertise for the shirts so they take off and try again with the next set.
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you have NO idea how restrained I've been so far.
but you obviously misunderstand my grief with the situation so I'll be clear.
Fine, don't vote. That's just great. I dont' want people to vote who aren't going to buy a shirt, since I want it to reflect what the people want. I was serious when I said that.
But I *have* been accused of several things. That's what I'm mad about. My first post simply elucidated how I thought that the calls of "no fair" and "this isn't cool" and the accusations of playing favorites were too serious.
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I'd just like to add I didn't break the rules. I just listed several quotes for others to see so they could nominate them. If Fell has no quotes then non of you have a right to complain, he is the owner of the site after all. But Jeffe you have no room to complaine here, but then again this is you and that's all you ever seam to do on these boards.
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Okay, this is gonna turn into a flame war very fast. I don't think anyone wants that, and this thread seems to be useless at this point anyway. Either stop with the accusations toward eachother or lock the poll. I don't care which.
SE, I understand your frustration, and you have a right to be mad, but can't you take out your anger like a normal person and save up for a nuclear warhead? :P You and Jeffe are apparently very close friends and those accusations were a "heat of the moment" cluster of posts as far as can tell, so I personally would suggest just letting it go.
Spriggin, please don't turn this thread any furthur towards flame war, just roll with the punches. I would consider it a personal favor if you would help me calm these two down instead of boil their blood further.
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We have stuff we're dealing with on our own...
And no Spriggan thats not all I do.
Thanks.
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You're not going to get any personal favors out of me this time. I am sick and tired of this. Every month the same thing happens. Jeffe starts crying foul and then plays the victim over nothing. Time after time he does this, and I don't say anything becasued I was asked not to, but no more. Jeffe you're welcome to participate in these boards and TWG all you want, you're allwayse welcome. But for the love of God stop playing the victim, over half the fights on these boards are started by you over some personal attack that dosen't exist! I KNOW I'm not the only one sick of it.
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Okay Jeffe. You and SE have stuff going on on the side. Try not to bring it to the board unless you for some reason need a large group opinion. I know it wasn't just you that did it either, just to nip that in the butt. But I have already talked to SE.
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I admit, we should have taken this off the forum long ago. So that's where it is right now. I apologize to the rest of you for continuing to stretch it out here.
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Thank you. Anyway, back to the shirt layout, have we reached the verdict?
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well, besides you not liking "play me," no one's contradicted my design idea so far.
But before I make it final and actually make some drawings to send to the printer, I'm going to wait till a decision on which quote to use is completed
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Im sorry it went on so long, I tried to take it off the forum earlier.
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But for like colors and stuff we have... are we going with my before requested black with moroon/white?
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oh, i hadn't decided on colors yet
I hesitate with black though. seems cliche. I probably will not do white shirts though.
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Light blue would be a nice change
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Light blue or dark red :)
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The darker the better. I will be very hesitant to buy a light blue shirt simply because it wouldn't go with anything I own...
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red... I like that.
And just wear them with jeans. Everything goes with jeans. What are you a preppy girl or a geek boy?
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In fact, all I own are jeans, but I never wear T-Shirsts alone, it would feel weird to start now. I always wear some sort of overshirt, usually with fire or some sort of japeneese relation...
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fine, be that way
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Fine, I will.
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i think you should make em red with black text and the lil clock logo(the one from the banner) up in da corner of the shirt
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No one cares what you think :P :P :P ;)
I think that is a good idea, but I would go with white text. Black text on a dark red shirt would be hard to see, and I don't want people staring at my chest...
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but white on red is kinda an assault on the vision, maybe, medium grey text, so is not so bright.
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Yeah, that would work. As long as they are dark red I have no objecttions to that.
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sweetness, I'd by one of those, ooh wait, maybe they should do, dark red, dark gren, dark blue, and maybe even a black with white text, but they gotta put the little clock or it's too plain, ohh maybe a little clock up in the corner and an enlarged one on the back
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I admit, we should have taken this off the forum long ago. So that's where it is right now. I apologize to the rest of you for continuing to stretch it out here.
Dang. That's what we get for having all of our moderators doing rational things--like sleeping in--on a Saturday morning.
Not to throw a wrinkle into things, but what about a multiple-quote T-shirt? Like "Top ten things overheard at the TWG Forums" type thing? Or, perhaps, a "If you've heard one of these things, you might be wasting too much time with us."
Just a thought. I like the single-quote shirts too, but the quote would have to be really spectacular--a distillation of the entire TWG experience--to be worth its solitary place on a shirt.
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well, let's get more feedback on that. I don't think a single quote has to embody the experience, just be a sample. I don't like whole lists of quotes though, because it takes to long to read. You want to get people's attention, deliver the message, and tell 'em where it's from. That's my though. I don't want people spending a year reading my shirt.
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I agree with Saint. We should definately do single shirt quotes (as that would leave room on the shirt to give a picture of the crew). So the front we have a timewastersguide.com logo in the top left of across the chest and on the back we have the top quote and a picture of the quoter in front of everybody else? Or are we JUST showing the quoter?
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I was just going to show the one quoted person. Having a picture of the whole staff seems a bit much. And then there will be arguments about who deserves it or not.
And in that case, I think the quote would go next to the speaker.
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I like that. But as some ground rules, no matter who's on the T-Shirt there should be no complaining, eh?
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maybe you guy's shouldnt put peoples pictures on them, or at least not on all of them, because I'm not sure I'd buy one with somebody's face on it...
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do you people even read the relevant bits first? We're getting a cartoon of it made. It's not going to be a photo.
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No, REALLY? By the way, I was just asking about the entire cast picture because I suggested it and wanted to know what you decided. TFO was just being ignorant...
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actually i've read this entire thread, i just didnt understand it would be a cartoon on the shirt, and i still think it should be pictureless or at least have a version that is.
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I vote for one quote per shirt, if the quote is of any length. I like the idea of the top ten, but most of the quotes we've seen have been pretty long. Top ten could work only if the quotes are very short.
Everything I've heard from SE so far on the design (TWG logo on front, quote and cartoon on back) sounds good to me.
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actually i've read this entire thread, i just didnt understand it would be a cartoon on the shirt, and i still think it should be pictureless or at least have a version that is.
b) being rendered as a cartoon on official TWG T-shirts.
The list in this post I will continually edit. It will reflect who we still need cartoons for.
people who have not told me they don't want their moniker/quote/cartoon likeness on an article of clothing
These selections were pulled from the very first post of the thread TFO.
***Subject in quotes may have been altered. Any alterings occuring were the adding of bold to pre-existing text and the cutting of text from quote to fit relevance. No text was added to these quotes. No animals were harmed in the making of this program...
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except the ones the Ninja monkeys beat up for lunch money, but I can't be held accountable for things they do on their free time
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Dangit SE. Those files where pentagon style tied up in legislation! That was supposed to be a secret, now I have to change the disclaimer....
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*bump*
Are only 6 people going to vote for the quote? if you forgot where, it's here (http://www.saintehlers.com/Poll.php).
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Lots of votes, eh? Hehehe... CACKLE.. he...
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I've seen red shirts with black text and never had a problem reading what was on it. Which is to say that I vote black on red, or black on blue.
I vote for the top ten list of quotes on the shirt. We can put the most important one on the top, in bigger font, if necessary. I also like EUOL's idea of putting "Top 10 signs you waste too much time with us" or something similiar. I think more quotes instead of a cartoon would be best, since the logo is the most important aspect.
One thought to consider is, how many people are willing to buy the shirt if the quote on the shirt isn't their favorite? A top ten list could solve that problem. I know a lot of text could be a problem to read quickly, but the shirts aren't unheard of. Besides, it's the TWG logo that's important, not having every person we walk by read all of the quotes.
Think how entertained the person behind you in the DMV line would be. :D
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Which was one of the reasons I thought 10 different quotes from 10 different people would have been cool.
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Hey. You don't have to have the last word you know. ;)
It's often more constructive to come up with solutions to perceived problems, rather than pointing out flaws. It's more difficult to unwittingly offend someone that way.
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But my tag says that I'm supposed to be 100% abrasive.
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/me remains unimpressed and unconvinced.
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Ok ... constructive
I just got a shirt that I think rocks, its a dark red (almost winey) with Silvery bluish and orange letters.
which sounds hidious if your picturing it I just realized...
but the colors are sort of like the ones in this
http://memento-mori.com/lacuna/lacuna_web.gif
the bluish tint is right at least, although the orange could be a little darker and the background isnt brown, but more of a merlot color.
It stands out, and looks snazzy and the light colors on the red shirt look nice.
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The colors do look better, but I doubt we could afford that many different colors. We ought to remember it for later though, when TWG is raking in the bucks and we can afford to make high-brow t-shirts. ;D
Sometimes I am overly impressed with my own wit.
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Well, if we are doing the top something ruther quotes I think the number one quote should be in the front right beneath or above a Timewastersguide.com logo, maybe.. the another five or so by different people on the back. I mean, if we have a top ten or five quote list on a shirt people could get the idea that we hold a communistic state here by misrepresenting the different factors of our society. That is, one person is more important that the others...
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I really don't think strangers from the street, or even strange co-workers will put that much thought into a t-shirt with silly quotes on it.
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well, here we are, I've gotten 8 responses. The most popular was Entropy's "Caps Lock" quote, which he didn't actually say, so was disqualified (yet still people kept giving it 10s).
The second most popular was my popularity quote, which is odd, in that it was not given a single 10. However, it only received one score below 6, which no other quote can boast. It seems that for the most part, this was a liked quote, but it wasn't the funniest in anyone's mind. However, everything that got a 10 (except Entropy's) also got at least one 1. Now, I know this sounds egotistical, but this quote DOES kind of sum up the site's persona. We all do things that are somewhat nerdy in the general public, and we're proud of it.
Just so you know, EUOL's quote about wasting wasted time was third, my quote about monkeys was fourth, and the other disqualified quote, JamPaladin's pants bit, was fifth.
Now, I still think I'm against a list of 10 quotes. Some people say that co-workers and strangers won't read the shirt anywya, but I think they will if there's one, short, pithy quote and then a URL. I don't think many people at all will read it if there's a whole paragraph on there.
Right now for colors i'm thinking fo mimicking the site. A beige with black text. Naturally, since it's been popular, red with black is still being considered. I just wanted to throw out a new idea to see the response. I'm also thinking of dropping the cartoon pic. Does anyone think the cartoon was necessary?
As soon as this decision is made, I'll price, then start taking pre-orders.
Once I'm comfortable with how many shirts we're selling, we can start collecting quotes/designs for another shirt.
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I thought the URL was going to be by itself on the front of the shirt?
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that was my original plan, logo/url on the front, quote and url on the back.
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I still say deep maroon and black. Or a brighter red would be acceptable, I suppose...
I could go with no cartoon, but we should probably through something in it's place. Maybe we should do the top three quotes instead of the top ten, not too long yet people have enough to read to enertain them at the DMV... Just a thought.
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Entertaining people at the DMV is very important.
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minimalism is lost on you folks.
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what do you expect its a consumer driven economy.
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The real reason I want that is that the top three were my top three and I couldn't choose between them to begin with, so it would be worthwhile for me to know that I didn't really have too....
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my ego wars within me.
On the one hand, I legitimately have the most votes for funny. (You like me! You really like me!)
On the other hand, I'm doing the shirt design, and it just doesn't tell people what the site is about.
Here's where I'm at.
I'm not designing a shirt with multiple quotes. for the simple reason that I wouldnt' buy such a shirt. If that's what you all want do it.
i'm accepting quotes again. I want quotes that embody the site. Not just ones you found amusing. They need to communicate what the site is about, and preferably be brief and pithy and funny.
One liners. possibly two liners. Three liners are out.
So, talk to me goose. What quote is the embodiment of Time Waster's Guide?
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"No matter how you like to waste your time, we're here to help you waste it better. Betterly. More better. You know, something's just not right about that sentence."
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I like it, but it is long. Too long.
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we're here to help you waste your time better, betterly. More better...
hows that
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how 'bout an update?
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yeah, how 'bout that update?
I've only got one quote from the new batch. Were you going to give me more? Or should we just use that one?
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didn't realize you were waiting on more quote submissions.
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...i'm accepting quotes again. I want quotes that embody the site. Not just ones you found amusing. They need to communicate what the site is about, and preferably be brief and pithy and funny.
One liners. possibly two liners. Three liners are out.
So, talk to me goose. What quote is the embodiment of Time Waster's Guide?
Yup.
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Just outta curiosity, has this project died, or what...?
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not yet, I hope
http://www.filespace.org/FuzzyOne/shirt