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Re: Pasteurization...uh...
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2004, 01:33:25 PM »
But mankind has been using genetic engineering for thousands of years to change how plants and animals taste and increase yield. Husbandry is effectively genetic engineering where you breed out bad traits and in good ones, its created meatier, fattier cattle, plumper strawberries, corn that doesn't scatter its seed and stays on the cob getting fatter and sweeter.

I can see where altering certain genetic traits could change the taste or texture of a plant. Tomatoes for instance have been genetically altered in the last 5 years to have thicker skins so they don't bruise as easily. If I remember correctly they altered the gene that creates pectin in the fruit. Excess pectin can alter the flavor and texture of a fruit.  Now there's talk of adding a gene that fish have (one that creates an antifreeze like protean) to keep tomatoes from freezing to make them more cold tolerant.  

The big problem with genetically altered food is that it is more homogeneous  and less likely to be able to resist blight or disease it also requires more nutrients and fertilizer to grow in the long run because of what we are engineering it to do. Why, because a lot of it comes from the same seed or group of plants. American high yield wheat is a good example, we ship its seed everywhere at a premium cost, because it yields' more seed per bushel than any other plant. African farmers like it for a season or two, but then find it cant grow in their soil (because they cant afford mechanized fertilized farming), then they find that they cant grow other crops they had been able to grow after traditional african grains. The super wheat sucked all the nutrients out of the soil.

But your right most genetic engineering would do little to change the taste of produce and meat. I would hesitate as a scientist to say that it wasn't possible.
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Re: Pasteurization...uh...
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2004, 01:37:02 AM »
I didn't say it was impossible, it's just the kind of thing that doesn't happen because they want to avoid it.

The goal is to make more resilient fruit (that needs less pesticides) that still tastes the same.  The reason its so widespread a practice is that it meets that goal.  If the food tasted differently it wouldn't be successful.

I see what you're getting at about breeding/husbandry, but that's not the same as genetic engineering.  Scientists are adding genes that aren't in the food to begin with, not just breeding to get the best of the genes that are already there.  We don't really have to worry about shallowing the gene pool and making plants weaker such that one disease could wipe them all out because we're not breeding them as such.  Species and plantlines are staying seperate, it's just that new or modified genes are being added.  


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Re: Pasteurization...uh...
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2004, 05:12:31 AM »
yes and no, because those crops are more desireable for farmers to grow and replace traditional more heterogenous crops (over a region anyway) that they would have grown in the past. There is not enough genetic diversity in the bioengineered produce to protect it from blight.
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Re: Pasteurization...uh...
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2004, 06:06:10 AM »
No, as stated above genetic engineering does not shrink the gene pool.

The crops that are genetically modified are the crops that people have grown for centuries.  They've been bred for quality for years and years.  To these crops we're adding/modifying genes.  This is not the same as inbreeding.  Different species are not being weeded out because they were already weeded out (pardon the pun) decades ago.

You're mixing two different concepts here that don't go hand in hand (though they have a common ancestry).